Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35415612)

Lies, damn lies, statistics.

From the ONS data itself, although you won't see anyone talking about this as it's 'racist'.



Also from ONS data and I hope you'll hear plenty about this.





In short to describe this as good news is farcical, jobs are inevitably poorer quality, less hours, and are going to probably cheaper EU migrants rather than our own people, hence the welfare bill continues to rise.

This is an absolute unmitigated disaster, coalition are so horny over corporatist supply-side policy they're doing nothing to increase demand, quite the opposite their squeezing us through tax rises and entitlement cuts.

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35415621)

The only way there is going to be a increase in the number of decent jobs is when there is radical reform

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35415621)

The only way there is going to be a increase in the number of decent jobs is when there is radical reform

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35415621)

The only way there is going to be a increase in the number of decent jobs is when there is radical reform

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35415678)

Sorry, Alan, but that statement is a content-free soundbite, imho, along the lines of "Education, education, education" - it sounds as if it means something, but there is no substance behind it.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35415690)

There's no way for any government, of any colour, to be able to suddenly magic up a whole economy consisting only of well paid interesting jobs. It is a sad fact that most people do not have and can never acquire the skills to handle say architecture, computer programming, game design, brain surgeon or any number of challenging occupations and so will always be doing the boring mundane jobs that keep the country running.

We can't do without those jobs either: Baldrick the dung gatherer was an important man in his time, though bady paid, just as the trainee that dishes up your Big Mac or the guy painting the white stripes down your street.

In a global economy there will also be a tendency to level down the pay in most jobs towards the rates that are paid in say China. When those places become too expensive there's still the huge untapped cheap labour resovior in Africa.

You can't pull up the drawbridge and try to be insulated from the rest of the world. In that way you go (relatively) backwards like NK or Burmah. Russia has finally realised this but only now has stopped making Lada's based on a 60's Fiat design.

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35416002)

At least Blair inceased spending and standards in Education.

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35416002)

What I am calling for is global labour and wage (along with pension) standards so that no one is exploted and we all get a high standard of living even if it ends up in resulting in a global government

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35416002)

At least Blair inceased spending and standards in Education

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35416014)

Standards??? Have you read the drivel that passes for a significant chunk of school leavers English or Maths these days?



Ah the broken record. I'd forgotten how hopelessly out of touch with reality it was. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35416030)

O that's ok then we will forget about the lie that sent hundreds of men to the deaths. And his reckless spending started off the problems we have now

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35416035)

What about the Building for Schools programme, better test results etc, sure it is still not good enough, but it was better than Major for sure

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35416052)

The school building program was poorly managed ,poorly budgeted and a total mess ,and that was from a recent admission from Stephen Twigg



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16566635



Yes we needed the investment but in a more controlled manner over a longer period and not in such a reckless manner

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35416062)

Like I said, it's is still not good enough and anyway, Labour did improve education to lets say the Tories of 1979 to 1990

But at least thery were spending (if rather badly)rather than not spend at all

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35415621)

The only way there is going to be a increase in the number of decent jobs is when there is radical reform

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35416062)

Labour did improve education to lets say the Tories of 1979 to 1990

Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35416062)

But at least thery were spending (if rather badly)rather than not spend at all

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35416083)

I would sooner no spending took place than bad spending .Any government voted into power have a obligation to the public to spend the publics money wisely .To have the attitude that money can be spent with no proper oversight is ok because it's getting spent ,is 100% wrong and quite frankly the previous labour government ,more specifically the individuals involved, should be taken to task over much more than they have been .