Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

I have ignored your 'facts' ,and i use that term losely and yes i am prejudiced against lazy workshy people

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

The facts are that over 34,000 young people have gone on this scheme, over 20,000 have found jobs and are off benefits, and 200 have been sanctioned with the loss of two weeks benefits, as if they had not turned up to sign on.

I can see why this is not fair to the young unemployed.....

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

Sorry Hugh, but you're just not getting it. you're too focused on 'it is voluntary because it says so' bit.

so I'll explain again.

yes, it has always been voluntary up until after the first week.
but (this is the main bit to concentrate on) they didn't tell people that they could try it for a week and that they could freely pull out without any sanctions. as long as it was within that first week that they pulled out.

let me know if you got it now.

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so am I.

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

And the only evidence of that is hearsay - let me know if you've got that now....

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

No, they're just something that someone in government has said, that's all. they're not neccessarily facts.

the other thing is. they give a percentage of how many people no longer claiming during this thing. the question is, could these people consist of people that have been sanctioned. signed off because they don't want to do the work they may have felt they were forced to do. or simply just put on another scheme that results in them not counting on the unemployment figures?

if they had got jobs the govenment would know that they have a job.
where are they now? that is the question.

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I'll take that as a yes, then.

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

I would not wish to see anyone exploited, and I would not be at all surprised if there are some unscrupulous companies taking advantage of the scheme. But, the figures in this thread highlighting the number of people who found employment through the scheme are proof that the scheme has merit.

I feel the uncalled for uproar over this scheme caused by the bitter 'Lefties' have done a lot of damage to something showing positive results. The fuss caused over this scheme is nothing more than political point scoring, unfortunately at the cost of jobs for those most vulnerable in the job market.

Let's get one thing straight, 'Anyone on a government backed scheme obtaining benefits is not working for nothing'

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

I would not object to the scheme if the supermarkets or any other employer paid the person the going rate for the job.

As i see it the employer is using the scheme for a few weeks cheap labour funded by the taxpayer that is the point i object to most.

It is wrong to class eople who object as" lefties" i would not call the Daily Mail leftie and even that paper the scourge of the benefits claimants has concerns.

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

If you're against anything to do with anything nowadays. you're branded as an extremist by the likes of Grayling.

so if you are against companies exploiting the unemployed, companies saving and making money from the unemployed, and all the 'agencies' that make millions of pounds from the use of getting the unemployed to work for free.

then consider yourself an extremist :)

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DWP blocking Freedom of Information requests.

http://www.consent.me.uk/workfareexploiters/

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

good

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

blocking freedom of information or hiding their guilt ??

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

Both. oh, and ignore Marty :)

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

my question is 200 had sanctions, how many gave up the work placement? as the 200 doesnt mean much as we dont know how many pulled out.

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

I don't see that it makes any difference ,those that pull out will simply be placed in a more suitable placement untill they either complete the course or get sanctioned

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
 

still don't see what the problem is valuable work experience is being given to unemployed people with a chance of a job at the end ,this has been the case for years so why all of a sudden is there so much fuss