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Sirius 26-04-2011 17:17
Re: A new flood of migrants ?
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35222653)
I am firmly against this ,this does not make me or anyone else a migrant hater (apart from someone who said "i hate migrants").I am also firmly against our welfare system being too generous with our own indigenous population but that is for a different thread .Our government is firmly committed to cutting the welfare bill ,how will they manage to do that if we have migrants coming here and automatically qualifying for benefits such as housing benefits because they are only working for minimum wage picking fruit (example)whichever way you look at it they are going to be a burden we can't afford .
:clap: Excellent post.

Taf 26-04-2011 17:23
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I wonder what the benfits system is like in France... I fancy a "looking for work" holiday in the south of France this summer...

Sirius 26-04-2011 17:27
Re: A new flood of migrants ?
 
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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35222665)
I wonder what the benfits system is like in France... I fancy a "looking for work" holiday in the south of France this summer...

Somehow i dont think you will get the same handouts as we give to everyone and his Brother who turns up at our shores.

danielf 26-04-2011 17:30
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Does anyone actually have data on how generous the British system is compared to other EU countries. Sure, Romania and Poland are likely to be less generous, but compared to the rest?

I mean, it's one thing to say we are a soft touch. To actually back it up is another thing...

martyh 26-04-2011 18:05
Re: A new flood of migrants ?
 
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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35222671)
Does anyone actually have data on how generous the British system is compared to other EU countries. Sure, Romania and Poland are likely to be less generous, but compared to the rest?

I mean, it's one thing to say we are a soft touch. To actually back it up is another thing...
I found this for the french welfare system

http://www.cleiss.fr/docs/regimes/re.../an_index.html

It makes interesting reading and is i think comparable to ours .It does however seem to be dependant on contributions through deductions from wages

Mr Angry 26-04-2011 18:47
Re: A new flood of migrants ?
 
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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35222671)
Does anyone actually have data on how generous the British system is compared to other EU countries. Sure, Romania and Poland are likely to be less generous, but compared to the rest?

I mean, it's one thing to say we are a soft touch. To actually back it up is another thing...
Ireland is, and always has been, a far more generous proposition for benefit tourists. Especially for those prepared to claim in two (or more) jurisdictions simultaneously.

Here are some interesting stats also (2008) the link through shows that Ireland (with weekly unemplyment benefit at 204 euros) surprisingly didn't even make the top 10.

PeteLockwood 26-04-2011 18:56
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another idea, allow them to come here, income tax should be 75 percent on foreigners eu or not, entitled to any benefit EVER, see how many we get then !


commit any crime and deport them at there own expense

job done.

Sirius 26-04-2011 19:01
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Originally Posted by PeteLockwood (Post 35222732)


commit any crime and deport them at there own expense

job done.
3 words that we all know so well would be used by lawyers to prevent that happening and they are Human Rights Act

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5536803.ece

http://electricsky.forumotion.co.uk/...ot-be-deported

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The immigration judge had initially ruled that it would be a breach of Ibrahim's human rights if he was deported. That decision was upheld on appeal last year and again received the support of the two Court of Appeal judges who rejected the Home Office application to have him deported. The Court of Appeal judges expressed their "greatest sympathy" for Amy's family but said their only task was to decide whether there had been any error of law.

Arthurgray50@blu 26-04-2011 19:22
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If the United Kingdom was a ship, we would sink - The Country CANNOT take anymore.

Isn't it about time that people realised that enough is enough, or even those two puppets who are running this country finally discover that this island is jammed full of people, and we cannot take anymore.

We cannot cope with the people we have already, how are we going to cope with the people that are coming.

Sirius 26-04-2011 19:26
Re: A new flood of migrants ?
 
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35222758)
If the United Kingdom was a ship, we would sink - The Country CANNOT take anymore.

Isn't it about time that people realised that enough is enough, or even those two puppets who are running this country finally discover that this island is jammed full of people, and we cannot take anymore.

We cannot cope with the people we have already, how are we going to cope with the people that are coming.

I like how you blame the Conservative and the libs for something that has been going on for years and has been continued by successive Governments, your agenda shows through yet again Arthur. Why did your beloved Labour not deal with this over the last 10 years Arthur go on answer that ????

danielf 26-04-2011 19:32
Re: A new flood of migrants ?
 
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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35222726)
Ireland is, and always has been, a far more generous proposition for benefit tourists. Especially for those prepared to claim in two (or more) jurisdictions simultaneously.

Here are some interesting stats also (2008) the link through shows that Ireland (with weekly unemplyment benefit at 204 euros) surprisingly didn't even make the top 10.
Cheers for that!

Having lived in one of the top 10 countries, my perception of the UK benefits system is indeed anything but generous. In the Netherlands you're guaranteed a % of your last income (80% for the first, then 60% for the second year, at the time), provided you've worked for at least half a year (IIRC). Having said that, this is unemployment insurance, and the actual dole after your insurance runs out, is not so generous at ~700 Euros per month for a single person household.

Having said that, people are prepared to pay for this system through their taxation. Something I don't see the Brits approving of. Particularly since lower earners are more likely to use the safety net, and the system effectively means that higher earners subsidise lower earners.

PeteLockwood 26-04-2011 19:32
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35222735)
3 words that we all know so well would be used by lawyers to prevent that happening and they are Human Rights Act

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5536803.ece

http://electricsky.forumotion.co.uk/...ot-be-deported
human rights should not exist for none natives, they should be sacraficed upon entry, what about our human rights, as natives of this land to not be shafted by the taxman to pay for these leeches ? instead of inviting we should actively deport, tell angela merkel what we think of germany and tell tem to try and sanction us!

martyh 26-04-2011 19:40
Re: A new flood of migrants ?
 
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Originally Posted by PeteLockwood (Post 35222765)
human rights should not exist for none natives, they should be sacraficed upon entry, what about our human rights, as natives of this land to not be shafted by the taxman to pay for these leeches ? instead of inviting we should actively deport, tell angela merkel what we think of germany and tell tem to try and sanction us!
Human rights should not exist for non natives ??????

they should be sacrificed upon entry ?????????

bit strong isn't is

Sirius 26-04-2011 19:54
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35222773)

they should be sacrificed upon entry ?????????

bit strong isn't is
Indeed

Gary L 26-04-2011 20:00
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He doesn't mean the people should be sacrificed on entry. he means their human rights should be sacrificed on entry.


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