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gazfan 18-04-2010 00:18
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Originally Posted by speedfreak (Post 35003447)
exactly and Im sorry to waffle on and on but if for example I lost my job and I was desperately worried about being able to feed and clothe my son, rather than watch him struggle I may be pushed into doing stupid things/crime, I'd do anything for him. If one of those things led to my death I wouldnt say I deserved it and had it coming.

Right, now seriously, Im gone :D

If you blatantly ignored a warning notice that there was a danger of death involved in what you were doing then of course you would deserve the consequences - that is why the warning notice is there, you ignore it 'at your own risk'.

Your son would still need feeding & clothing after you became crispy & stopped breathing - If it was your choice to take the risk, then you would be to blame, you cannot abdicate stupidity because of 'need'.

Stuart 18-04-2010 00:21
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35002757)

Sorry Maggy, but gallows humour, like most humour is supposed to be funny. But this goes beyond such things and has descended into the glorification of and delight in, someone's rather gruesome death and the loss to a family. In fact, the delight was being re-inforced with the assumption that this poor unfortunate human being was not worth symapthy, because it was being assumed he was a traveller.
Humour is subjective. Some people find things funny that others find offensive. Gallows humour (by it's very nature) is often very dark. Hence the name.

I feel no sympathy for the criminal in question (he would have been aware of the risks, so it was definitely his fault), but I do feel sympathy for his family and friends. They are feeling grief for his actions, and are totally innocent. That's without the chance they may hear or read comments in forums such as this. I so feel sympathy for them.

Oh, and while there is no evidence he was a traveller, my own personal view is that that term itself is unfair. Why? Because there is a marked difference between Romany gypsies and pikies. Gypsies will work to make themselves totally self sufficient, and have as little impact on outsiders as possible. Pikies do the exact opposite. and often commit crimes against the local area. As such, it is unfair to lump them both under the term travellers.

peanut 26-04-2010 23:43
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Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 35003584)
Humour is subjective. Some people find things funny that others find offensive. Gallows humour (by it's very nature) is often very dark. Hence the name.

I feel no sympathy for the criminal in question (he would have been aware of the risks, so it was definitely his fault), but I do feel sympathy for his family and friends. They are feeling grief for his actions, and are totally innocent. That's without the chance they may hear or read comments in forums such as this. I so feel sympathy for them.
Well it seems the family ain't have it easy by any means. Grieving family sickened by theft of shrine to dad

martyh 26-04-2010 23:49
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Originally Posted by peanut (Post 35008703)
Well it seems the family ain't have it easy by any means. Grieving family sickened by theft of shrine to dad

i don't agree with people doing this ,this is just hurting the children of the dead man ,who are innocent

It does however show how thoughtless the deceased man was ,doing something like he did with two young children to care for

Derek 03-05-2010 17:38
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Sadly this lot have only learned to be a bit more careful when doing their thieving.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...wer-surge.html

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Firefighters were called out to 71 homes today after the theft of cables from an electricity substation caused a massive power surge.

Panicked residents dialled 999 after their houses began to fill with smoke and household appliances caught fire. In some cases, people heard the sound of a small explosion as fuse boxes blew out.

martyh 03-05-2010 17:45
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so lets hear the hand wringers defend this .Would they be so defensive of these low lifes if a baby had died when the cot caught fire ,who's going to pay for all the damage

Flyboy 03-05-2010 18:34
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35013160)
so lets hear the hand wringers defend this .Would they be so defensive of these low lifes if a baby had died when the cot caught fire ,who's going to pay for all the damage
Why on Earth would anyone defend what they did?

Maggy 03-05-2010 18:36
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Originally Posted by gazfan (Post 35003581)
If you blatantly ignored a warning notice that there was a danger of death involved in what you were doing then of course you would deserve the consequences - that is why the warning notice is there, you ignore it 'at your own risk'.

Your son would still need feeding & clothing after you became crispy & stopped breathing - If it was your choice to take the risk, then you would be to blame, you cannot abdicate stupidity because of 'need'.
Excellent point!

martyh 03-05-2010 18:45
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35013191)
Why on Earth would anyone defend what they did?
seem to remember you slated everyone who was glad the other miscreant earlier in the thread died instead of causing an incident as bad as this one

Sirius 03-05-2010 18:47
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35013191)
Why on Earth would anyone defend what they did?
Some one will defend them for stealing copper

Flyboy 03-05-2010 18:52
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35013209)
seem to remember you slated everyone who was glad the other miscreant earlier in the thread died instead of causing an incident as bad as this one
And I stand by that. No one should ever revel in the death of another human being.

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35013211)
Some one will defend them for stealing copper
Such as...?

martyh 03-05-2010 18:56
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35013216)
And I stand by that. No one should ever revel in the death of another human being.

no-one "reveled"in his death we were just glad he died instead of some innocent watching their tv when it blew up caused by the power surge he caused

Flyboy 03-05-2010 18:57
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Have you not read this thread, several posters "reveled" in his death.

martyh 03-05-2010 19:10
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35013226)
Have you not read this thread, several posters "reveled" in his death.
if thats the word you want you use then fair enough :rolleyes: but yes several posters (me included)had no sympathy for him and were glad he died instead of causing the death of someone else which has very nearly happened in this case

speedfreak 03-05-2010 19:22
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Its not made me change my view, which was that making jokes about someone being killed in this way wasnt right and Im certainly no "hand-wringer". Well I dont thing I am, I dont even know what one is :D


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