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BenMcr 18-08-2009 11:14

Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
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Originally Posted by Milambar (Post 34853841)
Reported to el-reg, and a few other places, see if they wanna take the story and run.

Not quite in the way you were expecting I bet ;)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08...media_opendns/

Kymmy 18-08-2009 11:18

Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
That report just says the same thing as the first few pages of posts.. i.e...you have an opt out, if you don't like it then use the opt out..

:rolleyes:

webcrawler2050 18-08-2009 12:34

Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 34856492)
Not quite in the way you were expecting I bet ;)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08...media_opendns/

:O jesus

Ignitionnet 18-08-2009 12:54

Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
The comments are quite funny. The author is someone who makes his money through search type stuff so hardly surprising he's a patronising ass about it all.

punky 18-08-2009 13:07

Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
Does anyone know where the settings are stored?

On Firefox it goes to Google. I found the URL setting in about:config but removing it leads to a chrome error.

On IE it goes to Google but through a Dell link (I have a Dell laptop)

I've tried googling but nothing really comes up.

webcrawler2050 18-08-2009 13:08

Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by punky (Post 34856574)
Does anyone know where the settings are stored?

On Firefox it goes to Google. I found the URL setting in about:config but removing it leads to a chrome error.

On IE it goes to Google but through a Dell link (I have a Dell laptop)

I've tried googling but nothing really comes up.

I believe it's a setting in the registry.

rogerdraig 18-08-2009 19:57

Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
the "opt out" if you don't like it misses the point it should be opt in

and though some seem to think its not going to lead to it being used for other things they are being naive

this and other companies think if they keep on doing it it will be seen as the norm and no one ( important ) complains so it must be the right way

Mick Fisher 18-08-2009 20:16

Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rogermevans (Post 34856795)
the "opt out" if you don't like it misses the point it should be opt in

and though some seem to think its not going to lead to it being used for other things they are being naive

this and other companies think if they keep on doing it it will be seen as the norm and no one ( important ) complains so it must be the right way

Well said, I totally agree.

Jon T 18-08-2009 20:32

Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
There isn't a setting on your PC that controls the search page, it's a re-direct triggered by an unsuccessful lookup from the Virgin DNS servers. Instead of returning a "cannot find the record" type of reply, therefore triggering a 404 error on your PC, virgin tell your browser to go the the virgin search page. It's all done via the DNS servers, nothing local on your PC at all.

The Installer 18-08-2009 20:48

Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
If you don't like it then just use Open DNS problem solved.

Google it if you want to findout more about it ;)

Hugh 18-08-2009 20:57

Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Installer (Post 34856813)
If you don't like it then just use Open DNS problem solved.

Google it if you want to findout more about it ;)

Which, as has been said before, does exactly the same thing - just that you are choosing to do it, rather than take the opt-out option with VM.

token 18-08-2009 21:16

Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34856821)
Which, as has been said before, does exactly the same thing - just that you are choosing to do it, rather than take the opt-out option with VM.

And you're putting yourself further away from the DNS server, both hop and latency wise but also from a supportability point of view...

Traduk 18-08-2009 22:15

Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
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Originally Posted by token (Post 34856832)
And you're putting yourself further away from the DNS server, both hop and latency wise but also from a supportability point of view...

OpenDNS has 9 DNS servers one of which is located in London so hops and latency is not the problem that you may think.

Supportability is another non issue because in the eternity I have used the service there has not been a single issue that has affected me. I used them after trying all manner of on PC type software DNS's because VM's DNS servers were so unreliable.

VM's DNS servers are still comparatively slow as I saw when my 20Meg was transferred to the 50Meg connections (for a few days). The allocated DNS servers on the 50Meg group connections were the same old visible hesitation that has been a problem with VM for years.

dev 18-08-2009 22:29

Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Traduk (Post 34856875)
OpenDNS has 9 DNS servers one of which is located in London so hops and latency is not the problem that you may think.

While true, however the IP addresses OpenDNS uses are registered to the US thus breaking anyone that returns an IP address closer to your location, eg Google, but then OpenDNS fake the results for Google anyway so not the best example.

token 18-08-2009 22:51

Re: Virgin Media Hijack customers browser search options
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Traduk (Post 34856875)
VM's DNS servers are still comparatively slow as I saw when my 20Meg was transferred to the 50Meg connections (for a few days). The allocated DNS servers on the 50Meg group connections were the same old visible hesitation that has been a problem with VM for years.

Funny you saying Virgin's DNS servers are slow - I did a few quick digs against their DNS servers, and I can't get a response for what I assume must be cached lookups in more than 10ms. OpenDNS don't respond in less than 50ms ever.


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