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Losttheplot 10-04-2008 18:45
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Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34525245)



while it maybe possible by law you cant mess with CAMs whether they are embedded or not. also whats the point when the only system that hasnt been hacked is Videoguard & VM aint part of News Corp so even if they wanted to use it they wouldnt be allowed to. so it aint gonna happen.
Absolute codswallop! By law! Who's law? A magical international law!

Simulcrypting is built into the DVB spec, LOL.

I'll say again nobody has hacked any encryption system. Backdoors have been found into some cards.
NDS are clever people who spend a lot of money fiercely protecting their technology. They also change the encryption every now and then. Sky are on whats known as the p2 or phase 2 encryption. The smartcards were all changed when they made the change. The law which prevents them making changes to their embedded CAMs must have been overlooked, LOVL!

the-cable-guy 10-04-2008 18:53
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it was the smart cards that were changed not the CAMs/hardware. i rest my case.

shawty 10-04-2008 18:57
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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34525224)
One obvious way to stop people boasting about uing 'chipped' boxes or cloned modems would be to pass their IP addresses on to VM but we do not do that and neither will we ever. The onus to catch these people lies soley with VM. If people want to brag about using such equipment then let them, personally I believe it says more about them than anything else.

Before people start handing judgement on to these individuals it's worth considering the "let he without sin cast the first stone" view.

From what I have been told, VM are seriously clamping down on illegal use of their equipment so I believe we should leave them to it.

Just to reiterate however, we will not permit the discussion of how to obtain services without paying for them. That includes describing how equipment should be modified, the name of specific boxes, links to websites which offer such services such as 'keys' etc and the invitation of PMs to 'find out more'.

Those who do any of this will find themselves booted off VM rather quickly.
The Police are clamping down on people mugging, so because you see it happening you dont help the police and just let them get on with it?

Ok thats a very poor example, but the point being people are coming on here saying they steal cable services. If they are or are not, that is their problem, why let them do it and a chance of them getting away with it, which also could be affecting our cable services?

I really think were we can help, we should be and not just leave it up to virgin to sort it out, when surely even if its just 1 person we can catch, its worth it.

Losttheplot 10-04-2008 18:59
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Originally Posted by the-cable-guy (Post 34525258)
it was the smart cards that were changed not the CAMs/hardware. i rest my case.
LOL, if the encrytion didn't change then whats the point of changing out the smartcards?
Every NDS installation is different - no two sites ever use exactly the same encryption method, thats why smartcards used in America are useless in the UK for example.
When NDS decided to change the encryption new software was put into the STB's, ntl at the time also had to put new software onto all of their digital recievers to cope with the Sky encryption system change. NDS certainly changed the Sky encryption system, and no doubt will do sso again at some point in the future.
Also you said earlier NDS only supply encryption to News Corp companies, again thats wrong have a look here at their customers - http://www.nds.com/customers/customers.html

indie1982 10-04-2008 19:02
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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34525072)
Why doesnt Virgin simply disconnect the feeds going to lines where there are no boxes on the other end? Can they not tell that?
Eventually they do, however people who use dodgy boxes generally take out the cheapest subscription to Virgin TV they can in order to keep their connection alive. In fact it's even easier now VM are giving away TV with a phone line.

They really aren't helping themselves.

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Originally Posted by Losttheplot (Post 34525261)
LOL, if the encrytion didn't change then whats the point of changing out the smartcards?
The CAM is just an interface to the encryption system, it's the smart card which is the key so to speak so that's why the cards got changed.

Russ 10-04-2008 19:07
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Originally Posted by shawty (Post 34525260)
The Police are clamping down on people mugging, so because you see it happening you dont help the police and just let them get on with it?

Ok thats a very poor example, but the point being people are coming on here saying they steal cable services. If they are or are not, that is their problem, why let them do it and a chance of them getting away with it, which also could be affecting our cable services?

I really think were we can help, we should be and not just leave it up to virgin to sort it out, when surely even if its just 1 person we can catch, its worth it.
As you said, that's a very poor example. Stealing service does not affect us all - mugging does. We are set up to give help and support to cable customers. I'm sure there are plenty of websites that are set up to catch criminials (or whatever you want to call people getting services they're not paying for) and would welcome infomation on these people. But that's not why we're here. We are not going to do VM's job for them. We do not receive any payment from them. I'm not saying that if we did then we would pass on the information. But we are idependant.

shawty 10-04-2008 19:12
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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34525268)
As you said, that's a very poor example. Stealing service does not affect us all - mugging does. We are set up to give help and support to cable customers. I'm sure there are plenty of websites that are set up to catch criminials (or whatever you want to call people getting services they're not paying for) and would welcome infomation on these people. But that's not why we're here.
It was an example that still stands though. It wouldnt affect me if a person was getting mugged as I wouldnt be getting mugged.

Anyway lets forget about that. If people are addmiting to stealing a service which can affect other peoples services on a forum about the services we use, surely we should be helping Virgin trying to fight these people wether thats what we are here for or not. Why turn a blind eye to it. Its not as if it would make much more work either as once people know thats what you do, they will soon stop talking about it, so either way, Im guessing it benefits us either way.

You are not doing Virgins job for them, you are helping them and other people with cable services. Just like when you phone the Police and go out to help the person been mugged, you are helping the Police and the person been mugged.

Losttheplot 10-04-2008 19:13
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Originally Posted by indie1982 (Post 34525263)


The CAM is just an interface to the encryption system, it's the smart card which is the key so to speak so that's why the cards got changed.
Nope, the smartcard contains the master key which is easily changed (Virgin are changing their master keys a number of times a day now). A key change does not require a new card. NDS fundamentally changed Skys encryption, hence the need for new software in both Sky STB's, and in the Proffesional receivers in the super and regional headends, and new smartcards. Escapee or Stu038 may remember the big job ntl had with upgrading the professional receivers for Skys P2 change.

Sirius 10-04-2008 20:36
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Just an update for all those that want to know.


Those that are stealing cable are still having a hard time and some are whinging like mad :LOL:

Info from reading the OTHER forums

Russ 10-04-2008 21:01
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Originally Posted by shawty (Post 34525273)
You are not doing Virgins job for them, you are helping them and other people with cable services.
As has been demonstrated in this thread, VM don't need our help.

shawty 10-04-2008 21:06
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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34525366)
As has been demonstrated in this thread, VM don't need our help.
Every little helps, surely.

Russ 10-04-2008 21:17
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If they were in a position to need our help, I'm sure they would have already approached us for assistance. I can catagorically confirm that VM have never made any such approach to us.

jammoboss 10-04-2008 21:26
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thing is most of this problem is the cable companies fault.

They hardly ever collect there boxes after a cancellation and the boxes start circulating.

I know they cant watch them but even a vast amount of vm engineeres are selling or doing peoples boxes for them.

shawty 10-04-2008 21:38
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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34525386)
If they were in a position to need our help, I'm sure they would have already approached us for assistance. I can catagorically confirm that VM have never made any such approach to us.
But surely again, if you can point out someone is using there service illegally, it would not only help them but also potentially help Virgins customers, some of which use this site. I dont see why anyone would sit back and let people openly admit they are stealing Virgins services, especially one a site such as this one and especially as a lot of people moan about these thats teal the services.

gaffer_gump 10-04-2008 21:41
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And how would you know if they are really stealing it and not just saying they are shawty? you just can't wander around shouting things about people.


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