Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34329862)

Yet people are suprised that there are more Bangladeshis working in curry houses than white people and jump to the conclusion that whites are obviously being discriminated against.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34329867)

and a predominate reason is that hardly anyone else wants to work on the same wages doing the same long hours.

Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34329868)

I don't see anyone jumping to any conclusions, do you? Actually scrub that - perhaps the wrong person to ask, seeing as you seem to think so.

What I see is someone describing the local situation and questioning why things are the way they are.

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...and yet they seem to do so in other jobs. Security for instance. I'm not accusing anyone of racism, but I don't accept the "whites don't want to work for the same low pay and hours" argument.

Originally Posted by jkat (Post 34329474)

no i would call that putting things right

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34329877)

The restaurant trade is totally different from security in the nature of its work.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34329877)

I do believe that there are a lot of White english people (I live in London) who do not want do do 'menial' jobs such as waitressing/waiting, cleaning, chambermaiding.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34329877)

THis is not just happening in those 2 companies, but is typical in industry today. Are you telling me that all cleaning, hotel and restauranteers are being racist? or discriminating?

Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34329884)

Work differs from company to company. Some security work is easy, sitting in a cabin watching CCTV screen, others risk their lives in retail with violent shoplifters. Your perameters earlier were "low pay and long hours".



And yet they still do them?



Why are you automatically assuming I believe racism is involved? All I'm doing is asking why something happens the way it does. You should know I won't mince words, if I thought racism was the key then I'd come right out and say it.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34329890)

Yes there are white English people who do cleaning and chambermaiding, but in every single comapny I have worked in (in the last 12 years of my employment working across over a dozen blue chip companies) I have yet to see even 10 percent of white english people doing the cleaning at any of the premises I have worked in.

In Tooting, Balham, even Croydon, in the restaurants I go in (indian, also Pizza Hut, Pizza Express, Nandoes, Thai restaurants, etc etc) the majority of staff are not white English.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34329890)

Most security men at the buildings that I work in in the Strand and Farringdon are either south African or black Africans.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34329890)

So anyway, since you dont think racism is involved, why do you think that this is the case Russ?.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34330575)

The problem is that some politicians and other equally unqualified experts seem to believe in the misnomer that is a multi-culturial society.

It doesn't work, people like to be around their own kind, it makes them feel secure and safe. If you're an immigrant you don't want to be the only immigrant on you street, You'll feel like an outcast. If immigration was a slow process then the immigrants coming in would feel like they had to integrate in order to belong, but with the levels of mass immigration large communities have been born and therefore immigrants feel like they don't need to integrate.

Also in areas where there are a lot of immigrants where are all the former owners of these houses??? Well as soon as an area starts to get a large asian population then all the white people scarper because suddenly they're in the minority and don't feel comfortable with that and need to move to where they're back in the majority. All their kids are pulled out the local school because there are too many asian kids there and you end up with 99% asian schools and 99% white schools literally hundreds of yards from each other. So the next generation of kids don't mix leading to more segregation of communities.

Integration doesn't work, multi-culturalism doesn't work (well not the way this and previous governments have tackled it).

multi-culturalism and integration would and could work if immigration had been controlled and thought about and immigrants had been given time for their communities to integrate with the existing communities instead of the mass immigration we got which threw it all out of kilter.

Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34330603)

I think you have probably hit the nail on the head to a certain extent, I know in Cardiff the immigrants who came in many years ago were sailors that settled there. I believe the majority were single men who settled and married local women, this has meant they have integrated into society.
There does tend to be distinct areas in Cardiff where these immigrants live, but I think that was mainly due to them living close to the area they worked.

I also know a black Jamiaican family ( an ex-girfriend of mine) whos mother came over here after getting a british passport when Jamaica became independant. She has 2 sisters and 3 brothers all married, and the strange thing is not one member of her immediate family are married to a black person. So you could say they have fully integrated into the community unlike other races.

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34329655)

In Tooting (SOuth London), most if not all of the Indian/Pakistani restaurants have asian waiters. There are som ethat have white workers who happen to be Eastern European. I have a friend who owns a restuarant in Tooting and he tells me that when he has a vacancy for a waiter, his first choice of staff would be a family member or a friend of family etc etc. The reason for this is that he is looking to sort out either his own family member (extended family) with a job or someone else he might know. The chef is almost always exclusively a pakistani/indian often a family memberr because like it or not if you want to go and eat an authentic indian you'd rather eat one cooked by an Indian(well I know I would). I go to eat outr in Portuguese restaurants frquently, and the chefs are all Portuguese. Thats my preference as Im sure it would be with the magority of diners looking for an authentically cooked meal.


As for people coming in looking for work, he tells me that he hardly ever gets an enquiry from an English white person to work in the restaurant, and if anyone does come to ask, they dont want to work for the relatively low wages and long hours that he is paying.

He has told me on more than one occassion that he would love to employ english girls as waitresses in his restaurant, as they would be more flirtatious with the staff then his asian male waiters.

There is also a muslim run cafe/italian restaurant in Tooting which has white female staff. They are all eastern European, and he pays a minimum wage and the tips are good.

In central London most of the restaurant waitresses are white Eastern European girls.

The pattern to me is that white English people do not want to work in the restaurant/takeaway industry because it does not meet there payment expectations. I have previously posted on this forum about my difficulty in getting an English person to work in a sales role because the hourly rate was minimum wage + commission. 90% of the people responding to my advert were asian/foreign (non English).

So in my opinion only Asians in the restaurant industry is not solely based on the jobs only being made available to asians, but a lot is also to do with UK white people not applying or wanting to work in such industries.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34330575)

The problem is that some politicians and other equally unqualified experts seem to believe in the misnomer that is a multi-cultural society.

It doesn't work, people like to be around their own kind, it makes them feel secure and safe. If you're an immigrant you don't want to be the only immigrant on you street, You'll feel like an outcast. If immigration was a slow process then the immigrants coming in would feel like they had to integrate in order to belong, but with the levels of mass immigration large communities have been born and therefore immigrants feel like they don't need to integrate.

Also in areas where there are a lot of immigrants where are all the former owners of these houses??? Well as soon as an area starts to get a large Asian population then all the white people scarper because suddenly they're in the minority and don't feel comfortable with that and need to move to where they're back in the majority. All their kids are pulled out the local school because there are too many Asian kids there and you end up with 99% Asian schools and 99% white schools literally hundreds of yards from each other. So the next generation of kids don't mix leading to more segregation of communities.

Integration doesn't work, multi-cultural-ism doesn't work (well not the way this and previous governments have tackled it).

multi-cultural-ism and integration would and could work if immigration had been controlled and thought about and immigrants had been given time for their communities to integrate with the existing communities instead of the mass immigration we got which threw it all out of kilter.