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Meanwhile a friend who lives a few streets away had an expensive bike stolen from just outside the side entrance of her house, behind a gate about a week ago. She's reported it to the police and received a crime number but that's about it so far.
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Yep a family member got burgled in march no police officers came to the house not even a crime scene tech just a crime number for insurance purposes despite the damage done to them physically and mentally the resources are not there apparently. Hurt some feelings which will be the extent of the majority of cases because of this and some people want already stretched resources further stretched so life online can be as fun and happy as some want.
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There are always idiots..we should be teaching our children ways of being able to walk away from such stupidity and how to have a thicker skin..No one loses by walking away from such small minded people and the reality is we can't legislate for what goes on in people's minds.We can only legislate against people's physical actions.
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We were done way back in the early 1990's when thieves kicked our back door in and even now what happened has stayed with me. We were lucky back then - police attended and the following day and a forensics guy pitched up but that was about it. |
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Both crimes are important and should be dealt with.
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I think one is more important than the other.
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The enforcement of existing laws relating to threats of rape, death and violence though is perfectly acceptable to me and it shouldn't be a choice between that the enforcement of other laws. If there is then the police should prioritise the more serious crimes first but we should also see how we allocate resources. However if you make this a case of someone calling someone an idiot online vs a old granny getting mugged in her own home then of course it's silly. We would agree on that, it's just not the debate we're having. |
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Even where the abuse is most appalling such as those you quoted, how many people actually sincerely believe that some nutter from the ether who spends their entire life in their bedroom spouting this garbage is really going to murder them or rape them for something they've said on the internet? No it's not pleasant at all, it's highly unpleasant but we do need to put things into perspective and that's all I'm trying to do. Lots of things shouldn't have to be a choice but in the real world they do - take NHS care for example and the provision of live saving drugs. There's a limit to the available resources and unless more are going to be provided to cope with the additional load, then someone else's provision is going to suffer. If the police are deluged with hate crime reports merely working through them all to prioritise them is going to be a substantial task which will require resources the police are always telling us they don't have. The very reason burglaries are being 'trivialised' is because the police no longer have the resources to deal with them properly and for me the reality of someone actually being in your home is far more worrying than a threat on the internet or for that matter some very unpleasant abuse on the train for example. |
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A good example would be to read the accounts of female game developers or journalists at the receiving end of Gamergate. People invading their social media accounts, e-mails, phone numbers to hurl abuse and threats at them: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/0...nal-spotlight/ Or what happened to Leslie Jones for daring to be a women in a Ghostbusters movie: http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cul...f-leslie-jones When these people are targeted they can't escape it. |
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I've been on the receiving end of some very unpleasant anti disabled abuse Damian but not once did i think of reporting people to the police. There always have been and there always will be ignorant morons but contrary to what some think you can't legislate everything away. My skin has thickened and my temper threshold is much higher because of the abuse I've had and I'm nothing special i haven't done anything that anyone else can't do. Most of the time the idiot brigade are looking for a reaction and any reaction and those will love having the police involved it will in their mind add something. The really serious and thoroughly unpleasant persistent abusers will be vpn'd up to their necks using ghost accounts or zombie accounts and the level of resources needed to unravel those will be out of all proportion to the number of cases.
We don't have the resources and people are not prepared to pay the amount of tax to have the resources to deal with every issue and given the number of actual physical crimes that don't get properly dealt with because of lack of resources prioritising online abuse is a slap in the face for thousands of crime victims in the UK. Internet is a choice as is how you interact with the internet you do have choices and options to avoid abuse generally and it is not something the police should be doing with their ever tightening resources. |
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All the more reason for inhabitors of the social media world to be a lot more responsible what personal and identifying information they present to all and sundry I'd have thought. If I went out every day without shutting/locking my doors I don't think I'd get a lot of sympathy if I was burgled. If I broadcast all sorts of personal information to the world, I might expect a similar lack of sympathy if I wound up getting stalked or threatened by a nutter who knows where I live or work. The world shouldn't be like that but it is sadly and we all know it don't we, so why are so many people so blase about what they put online and why are they surprised when the haters appear and get very nasty indeed? :shrug: I'd like to know what percentage of really nasty threats (e.g. murder, rape etc.) made on the internet turn out to be credible and/or carried through. A miniscule proportion I'd wager in which case whilst they're certainly unwarranted and highly unpleasant, we might wish to worry more about the far bigger risks of the real world like crossing the road, getting mugged, etc. Of course media personalities etc. can't hide their lives so for them I'd agree that they're probably more susceptible to serious abuse, less able to protect their personal information and more likely to feel personally threatened when under attack from trolls for example. |
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For by far the vast majority of people, if someone appears on social media or something and threatens them they'd be wise not to bat an eyelid because they can be pretty confident that it's far more likely their abuser is a sad, pathetic little individual for whom threats/abuse are an escape from their inadequacy, than someone who has the inclination/ability to turn their online threats into reality. If we're not going to believe that then we really ought not to use the internet or leave our front doors... |
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Like most things if you take the bait....:erm:
Better to ignore the saddo. |
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Disability discrimination is just one of the problems emerging from the people that the Government have employed to help with the transfer from DLA to PIP (ATOS): https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/170173...ws-_-558269389 Other problems include lying, false reporting, turning up for work drunk and effectively not allowing claimants to record the conversation to protect themslves |
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