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Pierre 26-08-2025 21:27
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36201676)
. Farage says mass deportation of illegal immigrants.:
Sounds good to me.


Do you want “illegal “ immigrants to stay?

papa smurf 27-08-2025 08:07
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Taliban's incredible migrant intervention: 'We are ready and willing' to work with Farage
In a surprising twist, the Taliban has expressed openness to collaborating with Nigel Farage on a controversial plan involving Afghan deportees.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/21...rk-with-Farage

well that's cleared that obstacle :shocked:

Mr K 27-08-2025 08:19
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Nige's allies are the Taliban, hardly a surprise. The gullible fall for this charlatan, who gave us all the Brexit lies. That was supposed to control our borders wasn't it? Instead it's made it harder.

papa smurf 27-08-2025 08:32
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36201711)
Nige's allies are the Taliban, hardly a surprise. The gullible fall for this charlatan, who gave us all the Brexit lies. That was supposed to control our borders wasn't it? Instead it's made it harder.
the taliban just want to welcome their lost brothers back into the fold

1andrew1 27-08-2025 08:43
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36201712)
the taliban just want to welcome their lost brothers back into the fold
Before cutting their throats.

papa smurf 27-08-2025 08:53
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201713)
Before cutting their throats.
That should act as a deterrent from crossing the channel from the safety of France

Hugh 27-08-2025 08:54
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36201715)
That should act as a deterrent from crossing the channel from the safety of France
Considering they are willing to risk crossing 22 miles of open sea in an inflatable, probably not…

Sephiroth 27-08-2025 09:05
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201713)
Before cutting their throats.
From left to right or right to left?

Carth 27-08-2025 09:45
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36201715)
That should act as a deterrent from crossing the channel from the safety of France
Quite obviously they don't feel 'safe' in France, probably persecuted by onion sellers on bicycles or something.

Sephiroth 27-08-2025 09:53
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36201716)
Considering they are willing to risk crossing 22 miles of open sea in an inflatable, probably not…
You're missing Papa's point - which was the "safety of France".

thenry 27-08-2025 10:06
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36201705)
Sounds good to me.


Do you want “illegal “ immigrants to stay?
It's illegal so no.

papa smurf 27-08-2025 12:27
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Huge boost for Nigel Farage as ANOTHER Conservative defects to Reform



A jubilant Nigel Farage has welcomed another defector from the Conservative Party to Reform. Member of the Scottish Parliament (MSP) Graham Simpson has left the Tories and joined the insurgent party. Speaking alongside Mr Farage at a press event in Livingstone, Scotland, Mr Simpson said his decision to switch to Reform “has not been easy”.

But he said: “Too many people feel let down and ignored.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...farage-another

Jaymoss 27-08-2025 12:45
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201713)
Before cutting their throats.
Any who have escaped then refuse to integrate here commit crime and in some cases rape our children deserve nothing less

Sephiroth 27-08-2025 12:55
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
My party, The Conservatives, should endorse Farage's policy and seek joint ways of getting it done rather than bleating about Reform nicking 'our' policies.

OLD BOY 27-08-2025 15:14
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36201728)
My party, The Conservatives, should endorse Farage's policy and seek joint ways of getting it done rather than bleating about Reform nicking 'our' policies.
They won’t do that. They are petrified of being regarded as ‘right wing’, which is ridiculous in my opinion. Their better MPs will defect to Reform one by one. Concentrating on the centre ground is not the right option to take in the present climate - all trust is gone.

Jaymoss 27-08-2025 15:16
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
all trust has been gone since Blair at least

Hugh 27-08-2025 16:43
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36201736)
They won’t do that. They are petrified of being regarded as ‘right wing’, which is ridiculous in my opinion. Their better MPs will defect to Reform one by one. Concentrating on the centre ground is not the right option to take in the present climate - all trust is gone.
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2025/08/3.gif

thenry 27-08-2025 17:32
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
So women and children aren't part of Farages 5 year plan

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...#liveblog-body

Yeah back to labour :no:

Carth 27-08-2025 17:46
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
U-Turns from everybody everywhere . . . apart from the boats, they don't turn around

Paul 27-08-2025 21:06
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
They want to exempt women becasue they can be "raped, tortured and killed" ?
Newsflash: So can men, esp the tortured and killed bit.

1andrew1 27-08-2025 21:22
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Little point in discussing Reform's immigration plans as they will have changed by the time you've finished posting! :D

Sephiroth 28-08-2025 08:31
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
I had hoped that Farage would have been smarter. It's a bad show to announce a policy and then have to row back on a part of that policy. I'm quite a hawk on the small boats subject, but women and children are not men of military age.

papa smurf 28-08-2025 09:33
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36201802)
I had hoped that Farage would have been smarter. It's a bad show to announce a policy and then have to row back on a part of that policy. I'm quite a hawk on the small boats subject, but women and children are not men of military age.
i would put the children into care and deport the parents as imo anyone who puts a child on one of those boats is unfit to have them, they are perfectly safe in France and there is no need to endanger children in this way

1andrew1 28-08-2025 09:44
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36201806)
i would put the children into care and deport the parents as imo anyone who puts a child on one of those boats is unfit to have them, they are perfectly safe in France and there is no need to endanger children in this way
You can't just deport them to France anymore without France agreeing.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36201802)
I had hoped that Farage would have been smarter. It's a bad show to announce a policy and then have to row back on a part of that policy. I'm quite a hawk on the small boats subject, but women and children are not men of military age.
Is today's Reform policy on immigration any different than the Conservative's?

papa smurf 28-08-2025 09:47
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1;36201808[B
]You can't just deport them to France[/B] anymore without France agreeing.

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Is today's Reform policy on immigration any different than the Conservative's?
i didn't say deport them to France i said they are safe in France

1andrew1 28-08-2025 10:01
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36201810)
i didn't say deport them to France i said they are safe in France
They're safe in many countries but how is that relevant? Most refugees, asylum seekers and economic migrants stay in Europe but don't come to the UK.

Sephiroth 28-08-2025 10:21
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201808)
You can't just deport them to France anymore without France agreeing.

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Is today's Reform policy on immigration any different than the Conservative's?
Jenrick apart, the Conservatives have been fairly quiet on the immigration topic other than to criticise Labour.

That said, the Conservatives and Reform should somehow support each other to make a formidable alternative to Labour. However, we have another 4 years of Labour and anything can happen in that time - especially if Labour read the runes correctly and do something about the ECHR and the UN refugee convention.

It plays into Labour’s hands that the two parties ‘of the right’ should be at war with each other, even if the Tories deserve the criticism.

1andrew1 28-08-2025 11:12
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36201814)
Jenrick apart, the Conservatives have been fairly quiet on the immigration topic other than to criticise Labour.

That said, the Conservatives and Reform should somehow support each other to make a formidable alternative to Labour. However, we have another 4 years of Labour and anything can happen in that time - especially if Labour read the runes correctly and do something about the ECHR and the UN refugee convention.

It plays into Labour’s hands that the two parties ‘of the right’ should be at war with each other, even if the Tories deserve the criticism.
Talking about immigration plays into Reform's hands. Labour should be talking about the NHS and policy areas where it polls strongest in. Farage has successfully got the media and nation discussing his agenda where Reform polls strongest on.

Sephiroth 28-08-2025 11:45
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
When Labour tries to shift their narrative, they are brought straight back to thevFarage agenda.

But Reform should look beyond that and study what needs to be done for the economy, get it endorsed by theIFS etc, and beme fully credible.

Carth 28-08-2025 13:03
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Apparently we need immigration to help the economy grow, while businesses are laying off staff or closing.

On the other hand:

If you want your nails painted a pretty colour - 6 establishments per square mile.
Fancy chicken nuggets and fries? - 17 establishments per square mile.
Need that hair cutting? - 8 establishments per square mile.
Getting the car washed - 12 establishments per square mile.
Need advice on home energy efficiency? - you'll usually get an unsolicited phone call 7 times a day

Planning a train journey? - check the 'strikes' timetable
Need a doctors appointment? - set the alarm for 7:30 am and get in the phone queue to grab one of the 7 appointments available
Have a query about a change of disability benefits? - expect being shunted around on the phone all day and still get no answer.
Need a dentist? - good luck on that one.

1andrew1 28-08-2025 13:37
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36201820)
When Labour tries to shift their narrative, they are brought straight back to thevFarage agenda.

But Reform should look beyond that and study what needs to be done for the economy, get it endorsed by theIFS etc, and beme fully credible.
They're just clever populists saying what they need to say to get elected. They're not worried about balancing the books or having a strategy for productivity and growth.

Paul 28-08-2025 14:26
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36201822)
Fancy chicken nuggets and fries? - 17 establishments per square mile.
I used to get nuggets from Papa Johns every week.
They basically closed all their outlets in Nottinghamshire 2 weeks ago.

OLD BOY 28-08-2025 15:56
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201775)
Little point in discussing Reform's immigration plans as they will have changed by the time you've finished posting! :D
Refined, you mean. They have working groups looking to work out ways and means that their policy ideas are presented and enacted. Still 4 years to go. Have we heard much yet about what the other parties are proposing to do after the next election?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201812)
They're safe in many countries but how is that relevant? Most refugees, asylum seekers and economic migrants stay in Europe but don't come to the UK.
Yes, and how are Germany and Sweden faring with their open door policies?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201819)
Talking about immigration plays into Reform's hands. Labour should be talking about the NHS and policy areas where it polls strongest in. Farage has successfully got the media and nation discussing his agenda where Reform polls strongest on.
Don't you believe it. People around here are beginning to despair about the inefficidncy and waste that goes on in the NHS and the inconsistency of service. Farage has better answers, somit doesn't really matter what Labour concentrate on. They know they've lost the Beneral Election 2029 already.

You are totally missing the elephant in the room, which is that Farage is talking about what concerns most people, and he's the only one with the guts to deliver.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201823)
They're just clever populists saying what they need to say to get elected. They're not worried about balancing the books or having a strategy for productivity and growth.
Of course they have. You've just closed your ears to what Farage is actually saying.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36201822)
Apparently we need immigration to help the economy grow, while businesses are laying off staff or closing.

On the other hand:

If you want your nails painted a pretty colour - 6 establishments per square mile.
Fancy chicken nuggets and fries? - 17 establishments per square mile.
Need that hair cutting? - 8 establishments per square mile.
Getting the car washed - 12 establishments per square mile.
Need advice on home energy efficiency? - you'll usually get an unsolicited phone call 7 times a day

Planning a train journey? - check the 'strikes' timetable
Need a doctors appointment? - set the alarm for 7:30 am and get in the phone queue to grab one of the 7 appointments available
Have a query about a change of disability benefits? - expect being shunted around on the phone all day and still get no answer.
Need a dentist? - good luck on that one.
We need targeted immigration.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36201820)
When Labour tries to shift their narrative, they are brought straight back to thevFarage agenda.

But Reform should look beyond that and study what needs to be done for the economy, get it endorsed by theIFS etc, and beme fully credible.
Reform will grow the economy by bringing back the wealth creators, make trading easier, cut waste in the Civil Service, abolish unnecessary legislation that discourages small businesses and innovation and stop unnecessary government spending. The detailed plans will be laid out before the election.

Sephiroth 28-08-2025 16:52
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36201835)
<SNIP>


Reform will grow the economy by bringing back the wealth creators, make trading easier, cut waste in the Civil Service, abolish unnecessary legislation that discourages small businesses and innovation and stop unnecessary government spending. The detailed plans will be laid out before the election.
Presumably, Nigel or one of Reform's luminaries told you that!

Right now, it's immigration that taxes the fickle British opinion. But, as the Labour years wear on, Reform needs to provide assurance well ahead of the next GE so that they remain at the head of the polls. And it is the economy that matters really. So it should be possible for Reform UK to maintain these twin threads and they need to keep it credible.

Itshim 28-08-2025 17:51
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201823)
They're just clever populists saying what they need to say to get elected. They're not worried about balancing the books or having a strategy for productivity and growth.
Clearly labour are and the tories were.

1andrew1 28-08-2025 17:55
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36201844)
Presumably, Nigel or one of Reform's luminaries told you that!

Right now, it's immigration that taxes the fickle British opinion. But, as the Labour years wear on, Reform needs to provide assurance well ahead of the next GE so that they remain at the head of the polls. And it is the economy that matters really. So it should be possible for Reform UK to maintain these twin threads and they need to keep it credible.
Reform is anti-growth and wants to increase red tape with our largest market. They want to throw Ukraine under the bus. And their policies on the NHS which they once wanted to privatise are somewhat vague! No wonder they want to talk about immigration!

(But where they stand on the big issue of the day - getting rid of linear TV channels - remains a big unknown! :D)

Pierre 28-08-2025 19:38
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201849)
No wonder they want to talk about immigration!
British people like fairness, and more importantly don’t like people taking the piss.

The economic migrants (some aren’t even that they’re basically tourists), let’s call them what they are. They’re not refugees.

They’re jumping the queue against people trying enter the right way.

Being housed, fed, paid, culturally at odds with the U.K. costing us billions, when our economy is in the toilet, heating costs up, cost of living going up, and Labour doing absolutely sweet FA about it.

Reform are tapping into all of it.

I voted Reform at the last election and I’ll be voting for them at the next, for the very simple reason that they are not Tory, Labour or LibDem…..that’s all the reason I need.

Sephiroth 28-08-2025 19:59
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201849)
Reform is anti-growth and wants to increase red tape with our largest market. They want to throw Ukraine under the bus. And their policies on the NHS which they once wanted to privatise are somewhat vague! No wonder they want to talk about immigration!

(But where they stand on the big issue of the day - getting rid of linear TV channels - remains a big unknown! :D)

Quote:
Reform is anti-growth and wants to increase red tape with our largest market.
You presumably mean Reform/Farage's stance on Brexit. He needs to be careful here and base all his decisions around growth. But this is a difficult one. Let's say that Starmer's arrangements with the EU work out well in economic terms by GE time; then Farage needs to have answer to the ensuant awkward questions.

Quote:
They want to throw Ukraine under the bus.
Another really difficult one. Europe (and Starmer) is all mouth; constantly appalled at Russia but doing nothing decisive about Russia's aggression. It means that Russia will win in the long run by means of attrition. Nor can Trump be relied upon to take decisive action. If that's the case, Ukraine is lost and the proverbial bus is arriving. Can you see a doable different solution?

Quote:
And their policies on the NHS which they once wanted to privatise are somewhat vague!
Better to be vague at this stage than saying stupid things. On present heading of the economy, it's the unsayable that looms for the NHS. The only thing they can say is that the extra 6 figure number of asylum seekers is an unsustainable burden which leads to:

Quote:
No wonder they want to talk about immigration!
Indeed.

1andrew1 29-08-2025 10:57
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36201858)
British people like fairness, and more importantly don’t like people taking the piss.

The economic migrants (some aren’t even that they’re basically tourists), let’s call them what they are. They’re not refugees.

They’re jumping the queue against people trying enter the right way.

Being housed, fed, paid, culturally at odds with the U.K. costing us billions, when our economy is in the toilet, heating costs up, cost of living going up, and Labour doing absolutely sweet FA about it.

Reform are tapping into all of it.

I voted Reform at the last election and I’ll be voting for them at the next, for the very simple reason that they are not Tory, Labour or LibDem…..that’s all the reason I need.
Some are asylum-seekers, some are economic migrants. It's probably not great being a Christian or gay in Afghanistan and Iran, for example.

These people are not here for benefits, the government won't allow them to work until their claims have been processed and that's been underfunded so is taking too long. Fortunately, that's being improved so wrong to say nothing's being done about it.

Obviously, once immigrants are working they will more than pay for themselves and will probably be very motivated. Many great companies were founded by immigrants generating considerable wealth for this country. Recent examples are easyJet, Babylon Health and Revolut.

Sephiroth 29-08-2025 11:06
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201885)
Some are asylum-seekers, some are economic migrants. It's probably not great being a Christian or gay in Afghanistan and Iran, for example.

These people are not here for benefits, the government won't allow them to work until their claims have been processed and that's been underfunded so is taking too long. Fortunately, that's being improved so wrong to say nothing's being done about it.

Obviously, once immigrants are working they will more than pay for themselves and will probably be very motivated. Many great companies were founded by immigrants generating considerable wealth for this country. Recent examples are easyJet, Babylon Health and Revolut.
Of course they're here for benefits - see the hotels and healthcare for details. They don't get treated so well in France - hence the boats. You do see that: right?

As for your ridiculous assertions of the eventual benefits that these migrants would bring to the UK: If they had the intellectual prowess of Ali Parsa (Babylon Health), then yes. But these are not of that ilk and would be of little or no benefit, including the massive cultural differences. You do see that: right?

1andrew1 29-08-2025 11:31
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36201886)
Of course they're here for benefits - see the hotels and healthcare for details. They don't get treated so well in France - hence the boats. You do see that: right?
They're on benefits because they're not allowed to work. They're not crossing the world and risking their lives for a HMO in a run-down seaside town! The sooner they get processed, the sooner we can empty the hotels and the sooner they start paying taxes.

They come to the UK largely because they can speak English and have connections here. It's a side-product of our colonial past.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36201886)
As for your ridiculous assertions of the eventual benefits that these migrants would bring to the UK: If they had the intellectual prowess of Ali Parsa (Babylon Health), then yes. But these are not of that ilk and would be of little or no benefit, including the massive cultural differences. You do see that: right?
Once they're working there's immediate benefit as they're paying taxes. If you've travelled half-way across the world and don't have your parents to fall back on and an inheritance to look forward to, you generally work harder than someone who does.

Sephiroth 29-08-2025 11:59
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201888)
They're on benefits because they're not allowed to work. They're not crossing the world and risking their lives for a HMO in a run-down seaside town! The sooner they get processed, the sooner we can empty the hotels and the sooner they start paying taxes.

They come to the UK largely because they can speak English and have connections here. It's a side-product of our colonial past.


Once they're working there's immediate benefit as they're paying taxes. If you've travelled half-way across the world and don't have your parents to fall back on and an inheritance to look forward to, you generally work harder than someone who does.
Utter total gollox.

Try looking at this properly. They are from different cultures, some of them directly antithetic to ours. Is that what you want? The eventual destruction of our culture?

They have no right to be here. They are in France and that should be good enough.

You can see the trouble that the presence is causing; how hotels that could accommodate business people are now housing jump-the-queue migrants. You can see how the leeching human rights lawyers are raking it in to keep these people here.

All this altruistic guff about they'll work harder because there's no bank of mum and dad. Gollox, gollox, gollox. They'll go into their own ghettos, with all this entails including no-go areas that are happening in London.

Please, get real. Is this hell what you really want?

Carth 29-08-2025 13:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36201890)
Utter total gollox.

Try looking at this properly. They are from different cultures, some of them directly antithetic to ours. Is that what you want? The eventual destruction of our culture?

They have no right to be here. They are in France and that should be good enough.

You can see the trouble that the presence is causing; how hotels that could accommodate business people are now housing jump-the-queue migrants. You can see how the leeching human rights lawyers are raking it in to keep these people here.

All this altruistic guff about they'll work harder because there's no bank of mum and dad. Gollox, gollox, gollox. They'll go into their own ghettos, with all this entails including no-go areas that are happening in London.

Please, get real. Is this hell what you really want?

:clap: :nworthy:

Makes me wonder where all these 'jobs' are coming from, and the hotels are being paid by - guess who - to house the migrants.

Another one is "we need immigrants because the birth rate is falling" well how about looking at WHY.

Lots of young couples in the mid to late 20's age bracket that would presumably love to start a family, but not while still living with parents or stuck in an expensive rented one bedroom flat. Sort the housing out and people may, possibly, start to have kids again.

Sephiroth 29-08-2025 14:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36201896)
:clap: :nworthy:

Makes me wonder where all these 'jobs' are coming from, and the hotels are being paid by - guess who - to house the migrants.

Another one is "we need immigrants because the birth rate is falling" well how about looking at WHY.

Lots of young couples in the mid to late 20's age bracket that would presumably love to start a family, but not while still living with parents or stuck in an expensive rented one bedroom flat. Sort the housing out and people may, possibly, start to have kids again.
Exactamundo.

1andrew1 29-08-2025 14:49
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36201896)
:
Another one is "we need immigrants because the birth rate is falling" well how about looking at WHY.

Lots of young couples in the mid to late 20's age bracket that would presumably love to start a family, but not while still living with parents or stuck in an expensive rented one bedroom flat. Sort the housing out and people may, possibly, start to have kids again.
Agreed and that is why the government is trying to remove red tape so that developers can build more houses. Having the policy is one thing, preventing nimbys and councillors blocking it particularly where it's needed most is the hard part together with having sufficient builders, etc.

Hugh 29-08-2025 16:05
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201901)
Agreed and that is why the government is trying to remove red tape so that developers can build more houses. Having the policy is one thing, preventing nimbys and councillors blocking it particularly where it's needed most is the hard part together with having sufficient builders, etc.
Also, builders aren’t interested in building affordable housing - I live in North-West Leeds, and most of the new houses built in this area in the last five years are 4 or 5 bed detached, ranging from £650k to £925k; there are a few "affordable" houses in those new estates, but those are 2 or 3 bed semis or mews costing £325k to £425k.

Considering that the average salary in Leeds is £43k, that must be a new definition of "affordable" I hadn’t encountered before…

Pierre 29-08-2025 16:59
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201885)
Some are asylum-seekers, some are economic migrants. It's probably not great being a Christian or gay in Afghanistan and Iran, for example.

These people are not here for benefits, the government won't allow them to work until their claims have been processed and that's been underfunded so is taking too long. Fortunately, that's being improved so wrong to say nothing's being done about it.

Obviously, once immigrants are working they will more than pay for themselves and will probably be very motivated. Many great companies were founded by immigrants generating considerable wealth for this country. Recent examples are easyJet, Babylon Health and Revolut.
As I said, we don’t like people taking the piss, and this is taking the piss.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/new...kirk-scotland/

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...asylum-seekers

And residents are told they have to live with foreign men that see young white British girls as meat, free to infiltrate their neighbourhood at heightened risk of assault or rape.

The government value the rights of illegal immigrants over their own citizens.

And they wonder why the people have had enough and protest.

Just wait for the next assault/rape……because there will be one. It’ll kick off again.

And it’s all gravy for Nigel.

1andrew1 29-08-2025 17:24
Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36201920)
As I said, we don’t like people taking the piss, and this is taking the piss.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/new...kirk-scotland/
Labour's new laws will see foreign criminals like him deported.

Itshim 29-08-2025 17:31
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36201924)
Labour's new laws will see foreign criminals like him deported.
There lawyer colleagues, will line their pockets on the back of it

Paul 29-08-2025 17:50
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Labour's new laws will see foreign criminals like him deported.
Which doesnt really change the fact he should not have been "imported" in the first place.

Carth 29-08-2025 18:48
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36201911)
Also, builders aren’t interested in building affordable housing - I live in North-West Leeds, and most of the new houses built in this area in the last five years are 4 or 5 bed detached, ranging from £650k to £925k; there are a few "affordable" houses in those new estates, but those are 2 or 3 bed semis or mews costing £325k to £425k.

Considering that the average salary in Leeds is £43k, that must be a new definition of "affordable" I hadn’t encountered before…
Too true Hugh*

There's nothing being built, and very little out there for sale that fits into the 'young new homeowner' range of around £140k to £170k . . . unless you really fancy a 2 bed rabbit hutch.


* apologies for the rhyme ;)

GrimUpNorth 30-08-2025 11:11
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36201911)
Also, builders aren’t interested in building affordable housing - I live in North-West Leeds, and most of the new houses built in this area in the last five years are 4 or 5 bed detached, ranging from £650k to £925k; there are a few "affordable" houses in those new estates, but those are 2 or 3 bed semis or mews costing £325k to £425k.

Considering that the average salary in Leeds is £43k, that must be a new definition of "affordable" I hadn’t encountered before…
That's down to the developer claiming they have a right to make (very) good profits over their requirement to build the required number of affordable homes on a development. A developer will regularly apply for changes to site layouts to reduce the affordable properties to make way for profitable properties. The planning system is skewed towards profit.

Itshim 30-08-2025 14:12
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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36201957)
That's down to the developer claiming they have a right to make (very) good profits over their requirement to build the required number of affordable homes on a development. A developer will regularly apply for changes to site layouts to reduce the affordable properties to make way for profitable properties. The planning system is skewed towards profit.
You would prefer it skewed towards loss , great idea :shocked:

Paul 30-08-2025 14:13
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Why not neither ?

Sephiroth 30-08-2025 14:29
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Prolly because the world or the UK at least doesn’t work that way. Human nature as expressed in the haves/have nots skirmishes.


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