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 The economic migrants (some aren’t even that they’re basically tourists), let’s call them what they are. They’re not refugees. They’re jumping the queue against people trying enter the right way. Being housed, fed, paid, culturally at odds with the U.K. costing us billions, when our economy is in the toilet, heating costs up, cost of living going up, and Labour doing absolutely sweet FA about it. Reform are tapping into all of it. I voted Reform at the last election and I’ll be voting for them at the next, for the very simple reason that they are not Tory, Labour or LibDem…..that’s all the reason I need. | 
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 These people are not here for benefits, the government won't allow them to work until their claims have been processed and that's been underfunded so is taking too long. Fortunately, that's being improved so wrong to say nothing's being done about it. Obviously, once immigrants are working they will more than pay for themselves and will probably be very motivated. Many great companies were founded by immigrants generating considerable wealth for this country. Recent examples are easyJet, Babylon Health and Revolut. | 
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