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They do need to get rid of it, but the US Constitution seems to be unchangeable. Especially as this feature suits incoming and outgoing Presidents alike.

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The pardon starts from 2014, which also covers the alleged dodgy dealing with the Ukrainian Gas company, Burisma.

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The entire system is just rotten. Voters have proved time and time again you can be the most corrupt, devious, self-interested charlatan and they'll still vote you in.

There are no depths to which a politician's morality can sink and not be applauded wildly by the very people they're screwing over in the States.

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For the record, here's the history of Presidential pardons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

These are just numbers with a few notable pardons called out. As always, the devil is in the detail ..

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He should pardon Trump to even things out and keep both sides happy

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Two wrongs don't make a right.

That being said, would anyone trust Trump's revenge-driven justice system to give Biden's son a proportionate punishment?

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Who's right to begin with?

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Depends what he wants to achieve I guess. The democrats throwing stones at Republicans for the next 4 years is going to be an extremely futile exercise in electoral failure.

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I don't think any of those punches ever landed against Trump in the past. It's not an area that the US electorate seems to prioritise.

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Do you think Trump could land them on the Democrats given Biden’s u-turn?

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No, but I agree it will certainly make the Democrats think twice before calling him out on any pardoning he's done in the past or will do in the future.

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I think Trump will be batting for Republicans in 2026 all the way down the ticket on the basis of Democrat hypocrisy. Inventing politically motivated charges against him only to pardon Hunter Biden.

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God forbid that we speculate

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It would take some brass neck to do that given Trump pardoned allies as well.

What it does do is make it harder for when Trump issues more pardons, i.e all the January 6th rioters, when he takes office.

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Good to see you back doing your day job… ;)

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If there’s a man with a neck brass enough and a susceptible electorate for it - it’s Trump in the USA.

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No one should be above the law and that includes presidents who increasingly seems to think the law does not apply to them and their families.

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Trump will do whatever gets him a financial reward.

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I'm very disappointed with him, you give your word, you keep it no matter what, if he was going to pardon him fine but don't promise you're not, for me anything says going forward is bs

If you don't know that by now then you really haven't been paying attention

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Amend the constitution to allow a third term:shocked::rolleyes::confused:

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Ban elections? Hopefully the checks and balances will prevent this.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-fox-interview

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Easier said than done…

As you know, a proposed amendment must be passed by two-thirds of both houses of Congress, then ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the states - can’t see 290 Reps, 67 Senators, and 38 States getting behind that notion…

More likely to just not hold the next Election - El Presidente for life! ;)

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Hate to say it but I'm not so sure :dunce: PS it was posted a sort of a joke . Now starting to doubt myself

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ABC pay Trump $15M defamation for presenter claiming he was "liable for rape"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgrw57q4y9do

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The judge in the case did say that Trump’s conduct would meet the dictionary definition of rape and would have been found liable for rape in multiple jurisdictions, noting that it was the very narrow and specific wording of NY state law that led to the liability being “sexual assault” in this case.

Still, repeatedly claiming “rape” without such qualifying remarks was unwise.

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Commands from the next "Vice" President:

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1869461048828522999

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I agree, it’s a very strange system in the US, to have a “president elect” wait over 2 months before they assume power……

Leaving the incumbent free to wreak havoc should they desire.

If they need time to “transition” fine, but there should be limitations on the legislation or executive orders they can produce during that time.

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Whatever that link is just sends my browser into a loop.

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It’s just a tweet from Elon Musk, that Ian “hilariously” calls the next VP”, stating exactly what is the quote on Ians post.

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It is considered proper that you don't make dramatic changes during the 'lame duck' session. Same after the mid-terms. Although these democratic norms tend to break down in America these days.

That said existing bills and smaller ones do tend to pass. This one is about a spending deal so the Government doesn't shut down. It's crazy to say that shouldn't pass. Government needs to function still.

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Some illumination of the impact of "President-elect Musk"

President Musk? The DOGE leader's government-shutdown push shows how he'll wield power in Washington

Did I mention that Musk was dangerous?

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And the threat of shutdown hasn't occurred before now?
List of actual US shutdowns, although some for a short period of time.

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They'll probably avoid it but this time I guess the Democrats don't care as much. There will be a core of Republicans opposed to it but usually the rest of the GOP ally with the Democrats and get it passed. This time given it's Musk/Trump pushing for it and the Dems are already on their way out so why bother helping? If this is what Musk wants then give to him.

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So missing the point ...

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Just to frame how mad the new power behind Trumps throne is:

Backlash builds as Elon Musk endorses Germany’s far right

You know, the AfD, those nice folk who think that the Nazi's weren't all that bad.

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Why’s he dangerous?

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They’ve happened loads of times, and always used a bargaining chip.

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Well, plenty of leftists sing the praises of communism.

The right is rising because the left is failing, rather than look at them, look at yourself. (Not you personally)

It’s a shame our general election timetabled when it did, if Starmer and Co had come in after Boris quit in 2023, we’d only have 2-3 years of Labour and they’d be gone.

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Ian said because Musk is backing the AfD.

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and for so many other reasons :)

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Because Ian said so……….ok.

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:nworthy::nworthy::nworthy:

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Wrong way round but well done trying to swerve the issue.

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Because Musk said so…

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The irony about Musk is that he made his money from electric cars and he's supporting a President who's not wholly aligned to this agenda.

That's one potential piece of friction between them once Trump is in power. And is there space in the limelight for two egos? I'm dubious. And how long can Trump just accept orders over Twitter without wondering whether he's the monkey and not the organ-grinder?

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Trump is not a politician and he certainly isn’t an ideologue. Trump believes in what’s good for Trump. Tesla cars will not be any kind of stumbling block to him.

As for the rest of it, nothing we observed during the election campaign has changed. He is in cognitive decline. For the next 4 years America will be run by whoever has stroked Trump’s ego well enough to get close to him, and likely by several such people simultaneously, fighting like cats in a sack.

He may have a moment of lucidity from time to time and sack people he decides he doesn’t like/need any more, but don’t confuse that with a strong, focused policy agenda.

Thank you chris .... I didnt think anyone knew that!!

No he isnt and I cant believe he got back in!

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The rise of the right, across Europe and beyond, has got the square root of sod all to do with Musk, maybe minds should be focused on that rather Musk.

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Fake news Chris, I don’t think anyone’s buying that.

He did several long form interviews, with no prepared questions or answers.

He just gave a press conference, again answering on the fly.

He was/is more cogent than Harris ever was.

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A bit like the 1930s where fascists were popping up everywhere. They had Oswald Mosley, we have Farage. If Trump grows a neat moustache we know where we're heading. Beware what you vote for.

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So a declining Trump will surround himself with dangerous fools. Nothing to see here then ...

In a sad irony, when Musk is declaring his love for the AfD, a supporter of said hard-Right AfD kill 4 people and injures many more. It just shows that you should never pander to the far right or far left or attempt to normalise them.

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This is how you get repaid for taking in refugees
Originally from Saudi Arabia, he arrived in Germany in 2006 and in 2016 was recognised as a refugee.

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Whereas he gave an endless series of rambling, off-topic presentations throughout his election campaign. Sharks, EV batteries, immigrants eating people’s pets, Hannibal Lecter. Nothing fake about any of that (and why would you believe nobody’s buying the idea? The electoral college flatters him - he didn’t even get half the votes).

Direct questioning helps keep his addled thought processes on-topic. Set him loose and he can’t cope.

I get that he got more votes than Harris and won on both popular and college terms, but Harris’s unpopularity has nothing to do with cogency. The Dems’ social policy programme is absolutely toxic, and the extent of that is only becoming apparent in the post-election fallout.

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As my friends in America tell me, Trump didnt win because people really want him, they just wanted Harris even less.

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Lol, maybe it is time for you to give up the day job after all, for a glittering career on the comedy circuit awaits you with lines like that. :D

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Well if that’s the yard stick you’re going to measure him by, then you could argue he was cognitively in decline from 2014 onwards, as that’s how he’s talked ever since he entered the presidential race.

so he hides his cognitive weakness by being interviewed and questioned?…..ok.


But if you’d watched the Rogan interview you’d know that it isn’t “Direct Questioning”, it’s a conversation and he is given enough room to go right off the reservation if he wishes.

There’s nowhere to hide in a long form unedited interview in a conversation that can go absolutely anywhere.

That is the very reason Harris wouldn’t do it, you can’t keep up a pretence for that long.

Didn’t say it did but she was truly terrible.

When asked what would she do differently than Biden on “The View” and she said she couldn’t think of anything! Well what’s the point of you replacing him then?

Then when asked what her policies were her reply was, “they’re on my website”

An interview on 60 Minutes, where they had to edit one of her answers as it made no sense whatsoever, and she’s not the one with cognitive issues.

Then a 41min interview with CNN, of which only 27mins has been aired…………

Then an absolute car crash of an interview with Brett Baier.

And a campaign based purely on Trump is a Nazi.

Whereas, dementia Don………

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I’m considering Edinburgh in ‘25.

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:tu:

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So they voted for neither candidate then?

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No idea, not my business to ask them, or yours.

Ya that may be quite true Paul..

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I'm not talking about your friends, I am talking about the "people" who didn't want Harris to win. Judging from a lot of the reactions from those that voted Trump and now regret it, I guess a lot of them did vote Trump.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg1d9pzjkno

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So so true. :erm:

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I voted for Trump, not that anyone else was going to win here:rolleyes:

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Real problem was that there were many candidates, that would won against these two. But both parties lack the bottle to chose one of them .

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Seems Trump has his eye on Panama (Canal) and Greenland. I wonder which he'll invade first. :erm:

Probably Greenland.. For some reason he wants to steal it!!

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And example of Trump' senility. America doesn't need another Biden but that' what it's chosen.

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He said he wants to buy it.

Like he did 2019, as for the Panama Canal that’s just a veiled threat as he thinks they’re charging too much for passage.

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As I said earlier, he must have been senile in 2019 too.

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Isn't the real question what those that did vote Trump really think they voted for? They knew all about his lying, raping, etc. but this did not change their decision. So, they either ignored what he said he would do (tariffs, immigrants, cuts to state funding, etc.) because he is a liar so assumed he would not do these things or they believed he would do these things and ignored the fact that he lies.

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You missed out Canada! He wants to make it the '51st state' :)

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Well it would make it easier to get to Greenland. :D

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Your ignorance of US politics in this post is mind blowing…………

You’re entitled to your view, but evidently you have no idea what you’re basing your view on.

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I rarely read your posts because they are so toxic but why don't you try and engage with the debate in hand instead of just insulting people you disagree with?

You support Trump so please explain why his policies will make the poorer folk, the ones one that voted for him, better off when all the evidence suggests otherwise.

Start with:

- tariffs
- mass deportations
- massive cuts to federal departments
- massive tax cuts for the ultra rich & corporations

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I wasn’t insulting you.

However.

They believed the US was heading in the wrong direction.

Unlimited, undocumented, illegal immigration.

Fentanyl epidemic.

Gender/Trans Ideology.

Critical Race Theory

Wage depression.

They voted against all that and more.

They know he’s no angel, far from it.

But they could see the machine of government, media and judiciary working to shut him down, silence and preferably imprison him on suspect charges…..i.e, the “raping”

Because they saw through it.

No they voted for those things, and knew that he’s no worse a liar than Harris, Biden et Al, and is worth the risk.

It’s not just about the economy, but regardless of all the “evidence”, people think they were better off under the previous Trump administration

Potentially may protect US jobs, may have downsides, will have to see.

Well I believe it was deporting illegal criminal immigrants, what’s bad about that?

Cutting back bloated government spending…..all good.

Haven’t seen any details but cutting corporation tax, encouraging investment, removing barriers in regulation would all be good…………something Starmer and Reeves could take note of.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-...s-x-rcna185569

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I dont understand why anyone uses X anymore, just move off it to something else.

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Network effect. It's harder to move because you need everyone else to move as well. I use X and Bluesky now as I slowly try to move to the latter but I am under no illusions that the same fate won't happen there as well eventually.

With Musk I am much more worried about him wanting to buy Wikipedia. He has shown he'll very much editorialise his platforms to suit him.

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Trumps back at it :LOL: he's already committing to reversing bills, offshore drilling ban sanctioned by Biden.

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Musk won't like that! He needs sale of Tesla to increase in the USA as Tesla is losing market share to the like of BYD in China.

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Yeah better the devil you know like friendship

Gulf of America too :shocked: no more México sea

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More a question of why on earth would anyone chose to have Harris. Been saying this since Biden stood with her as his VP , making her a breath away from office:erm:

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A lot of Trump voters are now starting to realise that they were conned. More will follow as he will not do what he said .. big surprise there :) If you are poor and need healthcare or requires other benefits then the fun is only just beginning.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...chmentid=31257


Attachment 31257

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We're back to the chaos era: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gzn48jwz2o

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I’ve seen some people online suggesting Trump doesn’t understand how the Mercator projection works and thinks Greenland is way, way bigger than it really is. :D

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Just another Putin-inspired way of breaking up NATO - Article 5 could be invoked.

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I count 1, got any more?

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Got to love the French!

EU will not tolerate attacks on its borders, France says after Trump Greenland comments

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The Gulf of 'merica LOL

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What happens if a NATO member invades another NATO member on paper?

In real life we know that Europe isn't going to war with America for Greenland so they would just take it and I guess deport the people living there to Denmark but it would be over for NATO at that point right?

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I'm wondering what Trump's two hands are doing at the moment. He's a snake oil salesman at heart and he's hiding something that he doesn't want to be known by his supporters and detractors.

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Well if Greenland was in the EU, they'd have a point.

It's even tenuous to say it's part of Denmark.

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It's the same way the Falklands aren't part of the UK but are protected by it.

Greenland is also protected by NATO.

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And Vikings

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Trump doesn't know what he is getting himself into

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I really don't want to know!

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He needs to take a Leif out of Eric's son's book :) ... hic ... :beer:

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I can help you with that!

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Billboard #1 :D

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I liked this post on X re Trump & Canada.

"A warning to Americans who want to make Canada the 51st state: there are more than 1.4 million Ukrainian Canadians in Canada. We have resistance in our MFing DNA. FAFO"

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so funny! :D

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I saw someone point that if it ever happened Canada would want to be multiple states as well, with the senate and electoral college seats to match.

The Democrats might be quite supportive of that....

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His Majesty King Charles III might have something to say about Canada too... Tbh we and the Mounties should reinvade and save the American people.

Anyone know why Donny wants Greenland???

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https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2025/01/2.gif

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He's been snorting Elon's drugs?