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OLD BOY 23-08-2024 20:59

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36181873)
Not really the point though is it? I got used to sourcing apps from elsewhere as a V6 user and am used to, and happy, making other arrangements.

Tell me, what use are Virgin's bookmarks if you are watching something on, say, Discovery+ or MUBI, or one of the many other apps that aren't on TV360 & Stream? Sure, alternative arrangements have to be made by V6 users but it seems to me that TV360 users aren't that much better off.

Source the apps from elsewhere and don't rely on what Virgin decides you will need. Virgin only provides a small subset of what is available out there.

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Discovery+ is coming later this year, and I’m not moving to Stream until it arrives.I never watch MUBI, with its advertisements, so that is no deterrent for me.

Obviously, those who prefer to use the less popular streamers may make different decisions, but for me, Virgin Stream just works.

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Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36181873)

And your point? All devices are upgraded at some point, as you have already said.

The Google TV Streamer will be quite a lot more expensive, so it might be a good idea to buy the Chromecast and save some cash, while they are still available.

My point was simply that Chromecast was being replaced. Simples.

epsilon 23-08-2024 21:15

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36181883)
Discovery+ is coming later this year, and I’m not moving to Stream until it arrives.I never watch MUBI, with its advertisements, so that is no deterrent for me.

Obviously, those who prefer to use the less popular streamers may make different decisions, but for me, Virgin Stream just works.

Right, so you are surrendering your entertainment choices to whatever Virgin decides to offer. I'd prefer to make my own choices.

So you think MUBI has ads? That speaks volumes.

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My point was simply that Chromecast was being replaced. Simples.
All devices are eventually, just as the Fire TV Sticks were not too long ago. As far as I'm concerned the new 4K Max is the first Amazon device where a decent number of apps can be loaded before the whole thing falls over, so that's a worthwhile upgrade. Chromecast devices will still work and may be a better choice for those who don't want to use too many apps and prefer the device to be hidden away behind the TV.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36181876)
I do hope planned obsolescence isn't part of the glorious streaming future.

Planned obsolescence has been a thing since manufacturers started to use cheap electrolytic capacitors which blow after a couple of years. Usually just long enough to be outside the warranty period.

In general though, newer devices have more memory, more storage and faster processors. So a better choice for power users.

OLD BOY 23-08-2024 23:50

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36181885)
Right, so you are surrendering your entertainment choices to whatever Virgin decides to offer. I'd prefer to make my own choices.

So you think MUBI has ads? That speaks volumes.


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Virgin has all the streamers I desire, apart from Discovery+, and I understand negotiations are underway for Max to appear on Virgin’s screens when it appears.

I am surrendering nothing, basically. If Virgin did stop offering any of the streamers I use, which is unlikely, I have them all on my Smart TV and on my Roku and Amazon Fire sticks, so I am well covered.

I was mistaken about MUBI, sorry.

jfman 23-08-2024 23:58

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36181901)
Virgin has all the streamers I desire, apart from Discovery+, and I understand negotiations are underway for Max to appear on Virgin’s screens when it appears.

I am surrendering nothing, basically. If Virgin did stop offering any of the streamers I use, which is unlikely, I have them all on my Smart TV and on my Roku and Amazon Fire sticks, so I am well covered.

I was mistaken about MUBI, sorry.

It sounds like you are surrendering everything to Virgin. You have all the streamers you could possibly want on a "Smart" TV but here you are with the begging bowl out hoping Virgin, or anyone else, will "content aggregate" for you and provide you with a practical interface that even the biggest streaming fantasist cannot possibly dream of.

They've got you over a barrel, OB, for the most simple inadequacies of the streaming services themselves that all of us foreseen.

epsilon 24-08-2024 01:02

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36181901)
Virgin has all the streamers I desire, apart from Discovery+, and I understand negotiations are underway for Max to appear on Virgin’s screens when it appears.

I am surrendering nothing, basically. If Virgin did stop offering any of the streamers I use, which is unlikely, I have them all on my Smart TV and on my Roku and Amazon Fire sticks, so I am well covered.

I was mistaken about MUBI, sorry.

Hmmm. It sounds as if you are willing to wait for Virgin to add the apps even though you have access elsewhere, which sounds to me like surrendering control. Have fun waiting for Virgin to add Max, the process may take about as long as it is taking to add Discovery+.

Virgin are only ever going to offer a handful of apps compared to the hundreds or even thousands available on dedicated devices. Ok, with that many apps there will be a lot of dross that you won't want but there will also be several pearls to be found in there. Of course, you could just dismiss anything not on Virgin as being full of ads, even if they have never seen an ad. ;)

Even with its handful of apps, Virgin still manages to include a lot of dross.

TimeLord2018 24-08-2024 08:19

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Discovery+ will probably never get added now though imo, there isnt much point of adding it now, Max supersede it, new subscriptions to Discovery+ have ended where Max has launched , in Spain they have stopped adding content to Discovery+
https://support.discoveryplus.com/es...tail/000004479

I think Amazon got ahead of themselves in UK...
https://www.aboutamazon.co.uk/news/e...on-prime-video

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36181902)
It sounds like you are surrendering everything to Virgin. You have all the streamers you could possibly want on a "Smart" TV but here you are with the begging bowl out hoping Virgin, or anyone else, will "content aggregate" for you and provide you with a practical interface that even the biggest streaming fantasist cannot possibly dream of.

They've got you over a barrel, OB, for the most simple inadequacies of the streaming services themselves that all of us foreseen.

You don't Virgin or Sky really , see their comments about being both a platform and broadcasting business.

OLD BOY 24-08-2024 08:58

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36181902)
It sounds like you are surrendering everything to Virgin. You have all the streamers you could possibly want on a "Smart" TV but here you are with the begging bowl out hoping Virgin, or anyone else, will "content aggregate" for you and provide you with a practical interface that even the biggest streaming fantasist cannot possibly dream of.

They've got you over a barrel, OB, for the most simple inadequacies of the streaming services themselves that all of us foreseen.

I don’t think you are understanding me. Virgin already provide the watchlist, with profiles to boot! So the aggregation you say I can’t get is already there! That is what I want, and I can’t get that from the Amazon Fire stick, can I?

I still don’t understand why you think I am ‘surrendering’ anything. There is no contract with Virgin Stream and I have three other means of accessing streamers if ever they let me down.

You seem to be missing the fact that under my plan, I pay VM about £30 as a one-off payment, and then nothing else. Works for me, and for many others, I would guess.

jfman 24-08-2024 09:01

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
I'm fully aware of the inadequacies of the plethora of streaming sticks in the marketplace - I'm the one that's been saying for years that it doesn't match the EPGs of Sky, Virgin or even Freesat in terms of making content accessible.

OLD BOY 24-08-2024 13:04

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36181908)
I'm fully aware of the inadequacies of the plethora of streaming sticks in the marketplace - I'm the one that's been saying for years that it doesn't match the EPGs of Sky, Virgin or even Freesat in terms of making content accessible.

In which case, you can see the attraction of Virgin Stream.

jfman 24-08-2024 13:17

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36181923)
In which case, you can see the attraction of Virgin Stream.

And TV360. All the same shtick as a Stream but with hard drive recording. No need to pony up skip ads like with the “streamers” if you catch the broadcast.

epsilon 24-08-2024 14:19

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36181907)
I don’t think you are understanding me. Virgin already provide the watchlist, with profiles to boot! So the aggregation you say I can’t get is already there! That is what I want, and I can’t get that from the Amazon Fire stick, can I?

I still don’t understand why you think I am ‘surrendering’ anything. There is no contract with Virgin Stream
and I have three other means of accessing streamers if ever they let me down.

You seem to be missing the fact that under my plan, I pay VM about £30 as a one-off payment, and then nothing else. Works for me, and for many others, I would guess.

I find it amusing that you have tried to sidestep away from the issue of surrendering control by changing the goalposts from the TV360 to Virgin Stream with no contract. However, even with Virgin Stream you still only get a handful of apps and only what Virgin curates for you.
It reminds me of earlier discussions where goalposts were moved. :D

OLD BOY 24-08-2024 17:23

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36181924)
And TV360. All the same shtick as a Stream but with hard drive recording. No need to pony up skip ads like with the “streamers” if you catch the broadcast.

The difference being that you pay for a whole raft of channels you don’t want.

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Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36181927)
I find it amusing that you have tried to sidestep away from the issue of surrendering control by changing the goalposts from the TV360 to Virgin Stream with no contract. However, even with Virgin Stream you still only get a handful of apps and only what Virgin curates for you.
It reminds me of earlier discussions where goalposts were moved. :D

I get the apps I need on Virgin (apart from Discovery+ and NOW). However, we have been advised that Discovery is on its way and Max will be showing the Sky stuff I want to see (eg HBO shows), so that will provide me with everything I need. I will no longer require NOW or the Sky channels. Any new streamers that come along will be available through my TV sticks and my Smart TV if they are not on Virgin.

I won’t be ‘locked in’ to anything and I won’t be paying for channels I don’t watch.

jfman 24-08-2024 18:01

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
This seems somewhat a paradox since you currently subscribe to those same Virgin TV services you “don’t want”.

What’s the price difference between the lowest price bundle with a 360 and the lowest priced bundle with a stream?

epsilon 24-08-2024 19:37

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36181938)
I get the apps I need on Virgin (apart from Discovery+ and NOW). However, we have been advised that Discovery is on its way and Max will be showing the Sky stuff I want to see (eg HBO shows), so that will provide me with everything I need. I will no longer require NOW or the Sky channels. Any new streamers that come along will be available through my TV sticks and my Smart TV if they are not on Virgin.

I won’t be ‘locked in’ to anything and I won’t be paying for channels I don’t watch.

So you are saying that you will use other devices for apps that Virgin doesn't provide, so don't actually get aggregated bookmarks for all services, not forgetting that Netflix isn't aggregated either. This dependence on Virgin sounds very sub-optimal.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36181946)
This seems somewhat a paradox since you currently subscribe to those same Virgin TV services you “don’t want”.

What’s the price difference between the lowest price bundle with a 360 and the lowest priced bundle with a stream?

It does seem rather odd for him to subscribe to Virgin for services he doesn't want, then to pay again for those unwanted services with a NOW subscription.

vincerooney 24-08-2024 23:42

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
whats the difference between the NFL game pass and sky sports....surely its cheaper to get sky sports on now tv if you wanted NFL as its like a fiver cheaper?

Kevc69 25-08-2024 07:57

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
NFL game pass - from DAZN has all the games and costs £160 for the year. SKY sports has a very limited selection of games in comparison 3-4 per week

OLD BOY 25-08-2024 23:47

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36181924)
And TV360. All the same shtick as a Stream but with hard drive recording. No need to pony up skip ads like with the “streamers” if you catch the broadcast.

Yes, which you pay for. As I said, Virgin Stream is free.

epsilon 26-08-2024 14:29

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36182005)
Yes, which you pay for. As I said, Virgin Stream is free.

But don't you actually have the TV360? Two of them...

vincerooney 27-08-2024 01:12

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
any rumours on if premier sports will remain in the largest tv package going forward to replace TNT?

i assume not but still...

epsilon 27-08-2024 02:14

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36182031)
any rumours on if premier sports will remain in the largest tv package going forward to replace TNT?

i assume not but still...

The press release said until 31st August.
https://news.virginmediao2.co.uk/vir...ughout-august/

OLD BOY 27-08-2024 08:03

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36182024)
But don't you actually have the TV360? Two of them...

At present, yes, I do.

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Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36181948)
So you are saying that you will use other devices for apps that Virgin doesn't provide, so don't actually get aggregated bookmarks for all services, not forgetting that Netflix isn't aggregated either. This dependence on Virgin sounds very sub-optimal.

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It does seem rather odd for him to subscribe to Virgin for services he doesn't want, then to pay again for those unwanted services with a NOW subscription.

Jesus!!!!

Let's go through this again. What I find is that everything my wife and I watch these days is also available on the streamers. Trouble is, remembering which streamer is showing which programme, and remembering what you have only partly watched, or where you are in a series can be a pain. Also, my wife finds it confusing getting ibnto the streamers without having a watchlist that can take her into it with just one click.

The only way I can ditch the channels and keep my wife engaged with this is to ensure that she can retain her watchlists.

The only barrier for me in switching off the pay channels is the absence of Discovery+.

As for NOW, I know that's not covered by Virgin, but there is so little of any interest on Sky these days that we can just dip in and out of that as required. Netflix is the main problem because as you say, we have no alternative but to use their watchlist.

But what I am planning, once Discovery+ arrives (or alternatively, Max), is to switch to Virgin Stream, which will enable us to watch the programmes we want using only two watchlists, which is the best that can be achieved on any system at present. And I will no longer pay for any channels by subscription.

Something better may come along in time, but for me this works pretty well.

jfman 27-08-2024 09:51

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Yet millions of rational consumers will abandon their current product preferences for this dystopian future in a mere decade.

OLD BOY 27-08-2024 13:32

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36182042)
Yet millions of rational consumers will abandon their current product preferences for this dystopian future in a mere decade.

Yes, millions will, and the rest won’t have a choice, because their precious scheduled TV will no longer be available. However, they will have the FAST channels to fall back on if that is their preference.

But remember, that’s just what I think. Only time will prove me right or wrong, and as you have nothing to back up your view of the future, why are you still arguing the toss? Nobody can be 100% sure of what the future will bring. Even H G Wells must have had his doubts.

jfman 27-08-2024 13:37

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Time has already proven you wrong, OB. Unless it changes in the next 4 months.

If Virgin can count on you, the most vociferous proponent of your own vision, to continue paying them month after month due to the inadequacies of the streamers I doubt anyone has too much to worry about.

What’s the difference between a FAST channel and ITV1 delivered over IP?

Huxie 27-08-2024 14:36

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
You’re worse than my kids, the pair of you. Take it to the other thread, please.

Paul 27-08-2024 15:20

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by Huxie (Post 36182054)
You’re worse than my kids, the pair of you. Take it to the other thread, please.

TBH, I agree, its starting to become tiresome. :sleep:

epsilon 27-08-2024 18:46

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
More and more streaming services are carrying scheduled programmes.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36182038)
Jesus!!!!

Let's go through this again. What I find is that everything my wife and I watch these days is also available on the streamers. Trouble is, remembering which streamer is showing which programme, and remembering what you have only partly watched, or where you are in a series can be a pain. Also, my wife finds it confusing getting ibnto the streamers without having a watchlist that can take her into it with just one click.

The only way I can ditch the channels and keep my wife engaged with this is to ensure that she can retain her watchlists.

The only barrier for me in switching off the pay channels is the absence of Discovery+.

As for NOW, I know that's not covered by Virgin, but there is so little of any interest on Sky these days that we can just dip in and out of that as required. Netflix is the main problem because as you say, we have no alternative but to use their watchlist.

But what I am planning, once Discovery+ arrives (or alternatively, Max), is to switch to Virgin Stream, which will enable us to watch the programmes we want using only two watchlists, which is the best that can be achieved on any system at present. And I will no longer pay for any channels by subscription.

Something better may come along in time, but for me this works pretty well.

You say Jesus!!! then, basically, agree with what I was saying but blame everything on your wife. I would suggest that waiting for Virgin to add Discovery+ is surrendering your entertainment choices to Virgin. There are alternatives to Virgin's watchlist. Add whatever you are watching to Roku's Save List for example. When you click on the show, then the streamer (including Netflix), the streaming service will invariably remind you of where you left off last time.

Or maybe you just need to scribble some notes in a notepad...

OLD BOY 27-08-2024 19:16

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36182093)
More and more streaming services are carrying scheduled programmes.

Ah yes, that is true

Yes, the FAST channels will almost certainly carry on beyond 2035, but they are a poor reflection of the conventional channels, aren’t they?

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Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36182093)

You say Jesus!!! then, basically, agree with what I was saying but blame everything on your wife. I would suggest that waiting for Virgin to add Discovery+ is surrendering your entertainment choices to Virgin. There are alternatives to Virgin's watchlist. Add whatever you are watching to Roku's Save List for example. When you click on the show, then the streamer (including Netflix), the streaming service will invariably remind you of where you left off last time.

Or maybe you just need to scribble some notes in a notepad...

I was responding to your remark about subscribing to channels I don’t want, but I have to if my wife has the same choice at her fingertips - and that she can understand - as she does now. Once Discovery+ (or whatever its successor is called) arrives, then what I need is complete. I am currently on a deal that I cannot get out of without penalty unti the New Year, so I am hoping that the streamer will arrive this year, as was highlighted would happen some months back. I don’t see any reason for a delay until Max arrives - I hope not.

Thank you for the information on the Roku Save list. I was unaware of that, and I didn’t notice it when I last used it (which must be a couple of years ago now). I will check that out to see whether that would work, but I don’t expect it will have profiles, which is what I use on the 360 to keep my list separate from that of the missus.

Paul 27-08-2024 22:06

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Post removed, edits made.
Anymore of this childish and pointless arguing by certain members with each other across multiple topics will result in timeouts from the topics in question.

epsilon 27-08-2024 22:29

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36182096)
Ah yes, that is true

Yes, the FAST channels will almost certainly carry on beyond 2035, but they are a poor reflection of the conventional channels, aren’t they?

Phew! where to start? Some of them are conventional channels. Genre based FAST channels.. music, news etc are of equal value to conventional channels. I guess you mean the binge channels but how are they different to bingeing on conventional channels? E.g. Columbo or NCIS strands on 5USA? It's just more of the same. Literally.

vincerooney 27-08-2024 23:12

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Not sure if its been mentioned but on tv360 home page there is an offer for 3 months free apple tv you can then get it by going to o2 priority which virgin media only users can now use i believe?

I had just activated my ps5 offer of apple tv and it wont let me add two offers one after each other....bad timing haha.

deadline 31st August!

ozsat 28-08-2024 06:23

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Apple TV have these 'free three month' offers everywhere. Sky customers have now got them for a second time and those who did it the first time can get it again.

O2 customers have had them and now VM customers.

Currys email subscribers keep getting them.

I've had AppleTV for yesrs and have never paid.

I think some Barclays Bank customers now have the offer too.

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Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36182125)
Not sure if its been mentioned but on tv360 home page there is an offer for 3 months free apple tv you can then get it by going to o2 priority which virgin media only users can now use i believe?

I had just activated my ps5 offer of apple tv and it wont let me add two offers one after each other....bad timing haha.

deadline 31st August!


RichardCoulter 28-08-2024 13:28

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Rumour that November is when Eden will go FTA and join Freesat & Freeview.

Makes pay TV even less value.

TimeLord2018 28-08-2024 14:20

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Wouldn't think it's a nature channel anymore, it's mostly Yesterday and occasionally W.

I can see Alibi and Gold going FTA when they get the 'U&' added, their shows have links on u.co.uk just saying not currently available On Demand

Alibi upcoming original programming in 2025 is branded as 'U& Original Series'

epsilon 28-08-2024 15:12

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36182160)
Rumour that November is when Eden will go FTA and join Freesat & Freeview.

Makes pay TV even less value.

Maybe if the premium content was still there. It has been devalued over the years by not investing in new content and dropping much of the original content. These days it does look more like a FTA channel.

SonicMaster 28-08-2024 17:46

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Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36182166)
Maybe if the premium content was still there. It has been devalued over the years by not investing in new content and dropping much of the original content. These days it does look more like a FTA channel.

Indeed, Eden stopped becoming a legitimate Pay TV channel with premium content long ago. It's now an uninspired loop of engineering shows. It's of absolutely no loss to Sky and Virgin whatsoever.

Paul 28-08-2024 18:11

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Engineering ?
This suggests its mostly Nature Shows (in fact mostly BBC Nature Shows since they own it).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eden_(...l)#Programming

SonicMaster 28-08-2024 19:11

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36182177)
Engineering ?
This suggests its mostly Nature Shows (in fact mostly BBC Nature Shows since they own it).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eden_(...l)#Programming

That outdated Wikipedia listing is completely irrelevant.

Take a look at the actual schedule.

Today, it's 15 hours of Great British Landmark Fixers. Tomorrow it's Mega Air. Other days it's been constant loops of Impossible Engineering, Extreme Railways, Train Truckers etc. They've had endless runs of W stuff like Dr Christian, Ski A&E and Railway Murders.

Paul 28-08-2024 23:18

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by SonicMaster (Post 36182178)
Take a look at the actual schedule.

Nah, I dont think I'll bother ;)
I dont care that much about a channel I'd never heard of.
A quick google was the extent of my interest, just to see what it was.

vincerooney 29-08-2024 23:31

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Virgin Media O2 posted a £3.3 billion loss in 2023 after the firm added a huge goodwill impairment to its accounts amid rising debt costs and tighter cash flows.

The telecoms giant has more than £8 billion in loans which are pegged against central bank interest rate benchmarks such as SONIA. That has led to hundreds of millions in extra debt interest costs after interest rates increased by more than 5% over the past two years. The firm’s average borrowing cost is now 5.2%, up from 4.7% a year ago.


I smell price increases...(!)

Nah all joking aside for the amount they charge i dont get how companies can lose this much money. Obviously i'm completely ignorant to the workings of a multi billion pound company but it just seems mental to lose that much. Do sky lose this much? They spend tons on premier league football

1andrew1 30-08-2024 00:09

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
VMO2 just has lots of debt, a deliberate intention by its two owners. The operating business is sound.

TimeLord2018 30-08-2024 00:44

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36182258)
Virgin Media O2 posted a £3.3 billion loss in 2023 after the firm added a huge goodwill impairment to its accounts amid rising debt costs and tighter cash flows.

The telecoms giant has more than £8 billion in loans which are pegged against central bank interest rate benchmarks such as SONIA. That has led to hundreds of millions in extra debt interest costs after interest rates increased by more than 5% over the past two years. The firm’s average borrowing cost is now 5.2%, up from 4.7% a year ago.


I smell price increases...(!)

Nah all joking aside for the amount they charge i dont get how companies can lose this much money. Obviously i'm completely ignorant to the workings of a multi billion pound company but it just seems mental to lose that much. Do sky lose this much? They spend tons on premier league football

Sky isn't separated out anyone, Comcast net debt is about $90 billion,

Comcast had previously written down value of Sky by $8.6 billion.

vincerooney 30-08-2024 22:48

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
how are these companies losing...so much money?

Paul 30-08-2024 23:52

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Where do they get the money ? Someone, somewhere, must be out of pocket.

Media Boy UK 01-09-2024 13:02

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Is Premier Sports still broadcasting on them who do not pay for Premier Sports via Virgin Media?

Huxie 01-09-2024 13:15

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy UK (Post 36182337)
Is Premier Sports still broadcasting on them who do not pay for Premier Sports via Virgin Media?

It is for me.

RichardCoulter 01-09-2024 14:07

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by Huxie (Post 36182340)
It is for me.

And me. I wonder if the fall out from scrapping TNT Sports for Mega TV customers has been enough to create a deal to be made for it to be permanent or if Premier have spotted an opportunity because of this and offered Virgin a deal that they couldn't refuse??

Will obviously be much cheaper for Virgin to supply.

Media Boy UK 01-09-2024 16:06

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36182341)
And me. I wonder if the fall out from scrapping TNT Sports for Mega TV customers has been enough to create a deal to be made for it to be permanent or if Premier have spotted an opportunity because of this and offered Virgin a deal that they couldn't refuse??

Will obviously be much cheaper for Virgin to supply.

Nothing has been confirmed - Maybe Virgin don't make changes at Weekend anymore to save even MORE money.

RichardCoulter 02-09-2024 00:42

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy UK (Post 36182347)
Nothing has been confirmed - Maybe Virgin don't make changes at Weekend anymore to save even MORE money.

Good point, they may well go off tomorrow.

vincerooney 02-09-2024 01:26

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36182355)
Good point, they may well go off tomorrow.

yeah they will 100% virgin media are too cheap to pay anyone to switch the button sunday to switch it off! they probably don't even trust the overseas employees to do it yet they think they're able to deal with our queries...
edit: Yep its gone the monday workers have switched it off hhaha

epsilon 02-09-2024 02:00

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36182355)
Good point, they may well go off tomorrow.

And it has, along with a rebrand delayed from Sunday and 3 rebrands scheduled for Monday.
Further Info:
https://ukcabletvchanges.blogspot.com/

vincerooney 03-09-2024 01:59

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
how many random sports streaming sites do we have now? premier sports is back. via sports exists still....i thought they were both the same old company just rebranding over and over?

epsilon 03-09-2024 02:17

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Overnight changes:
Some strange subscription pack code changes to some of the Sky Sports red button interactive services. Also to an inactive transport stream marker which is not actually linked to any active services.
All have had Sky Sports SD subs codes added, with some additional changes to encryption flags.

Seasonal rebrand with Sky Sports Action channels renamed Sky Sports NFL.
Further information:
https://ukcabletvchanges.blogspot.com

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36182394)
how many random sports streaming sites do we have now? premier sports is back. via sports exists still....i thought they were both the same old company just rebranding over and over?

Viaplay withdrew from the UK and some other markets.

RichardCoulter 03-09-2024 03:12

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36182396)
Overnight changes:
Some strange subscription pack code changes to some of the Sky Sports red button interactive services. Also to an inactive transport stream marker which is not actually linked to any active services.
All have had Sky Sports SD subs codes added, with some additional changes to encryption flags.

Seasonal rebrand with Sky Sports Action channels renamed Sky Sports NFL.
Further information:
https://ukcabletvchanges.blogspot.com

---------- Post added at 02:17 ---------- Previous post was at 02:16 ----------


Viaplay withdrew from the UK and some other markets.

Sky have just switched off their Red Button services for Sky+ HD. If Virgin were using these as feeds, could this be why??

Paul 03-09-2024 04:14

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36182400)
Sky have just switched off their Red Button services for Sky+ HD.

Where have you got that from ?

Stephen 03-09-2024 09:26

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36182396)
Overnight changes:
Some strange subscription pack code changes to some of the Sky Sports red button interactive services. Also to an inactive transport stream marker which is not actually linked to any active services.
All have had Sky Sports SD subs codes added, with some additional changes to encryption flags.

Seasonal rebrand with Sky Sports Action channels renamed Sky Sports NFL.
Further information:
https://ukcabletvchanges.blogspot.com

---------- Post added at 02:17 ---------- Previous post was at 02:16 ----------


Viaplay withdrew from the UK and some other markets.

I'm sure it was just a re-brand back to Premier Sports as Viaplay own Premier.

TimeLord2018 03-09-2024 09:33

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36182396)


Viaplay withdrew from the UK and some other markets.

Although the Viaplay Nordic , European dramas and Documentaries are available via a new Amazon Prime Video channel.

---------- Post added at 09:33 ---------- Previous post was at 09:30 ----------


Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36182410)
I'm sure it was just a re-brand back to Premier Sports as Viaplay own Premier.

Viaplay sold the UK Sports operations back to Premier Sports (SSBL Limited)
https://www.viaplaygroup.com/news/ne...siness-2217740

Reportedly much less than the £30m they paid to acquire Premier Sports UK in first place.

epsilon 03-09-2024 13:48

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36182410)
I'm sure it was just a re-brand back to Premier Sports as Viaplay own Premier.

It wasn't ...and they don't. But, OK, if you are sure. ;)

---------- Post added at 13:42 ---------- Previous post was at 13:39 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimeLord2018 (Post 36182411)
Although the Viaplay Nordic , European dramas and Documentaries are available via a new Amazon Prime Video channel.

Correct, but that is a wholesale arrangement rather than retail. Good to see that the content is available again though.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36182402)
Where have you got that from ?

Presumably, he got it from Sky service monitoring reports on other forums / sites. I've seen similar comments on discussion groups.

---------- Post added at 13:48 ---------- Previous post was at 13:46 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36182396)

Updated slightly for "housekeeping" changes with info from monitoring reports.

Stephen 03-09-2024 14:08

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36182426)
It wasn't ...and they don't. But, OK, if you are sure. ;)

[.

Yes Premier Sports bought the channels back from Viaplay who did own the channels at one point. It was still technically a rebrand.
Quote:

Premier Sports, which continued to operate channels in the Republic of Ireland, will rebrand Viaplay Sports 1 and 2 under its own banner, while also releasing an “enhanced” streaming service. Viaplay subscribers will automatically be transferred to the new platform.3 Apr 2024

epsilon 03-09-2024 14:21

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36182431)
Yes Premier Sports bought the channels back from Viaplay who did own the channels at one point. It was still technically a rebrand.

It was a change of ownership in the context of the original question about "the same old company just rebranding over and over?". In terms of what happened on Virgin TV, both for the changes to and from "Viaplay Sports" the services kept the same ID number. So in that context it was a rebrand, or as UKCTVC defined it at the time, a "relaunch". Rebranding in the ROI was a slightly different scenario, where Premier Sports continued to operate throughout in its own right, just as Setanta Sport continued to operate in the ROI when it went into administration in the UK.

Media Boy UK 03-09-2024 20:02

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
CNN is back on Virgin but viewers will need to watch via Rakuten TV via Virgin on Demand on V6 Boxes.

ozsat 03-09-2024 20:05

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Rakuten app is on 360s.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy UK (Post 36182452)
CNN is back on Virgin but viewers will need to watch via Rakuten TV via Virgin on Demand on V6 Boxes.


Media Boy UK 03-09-2024 20:08

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 36182453)
Rakuten app is on 360s.

It was not on V6 boxes around Mid July.

SonicMaster 03-09-2024 20:29

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
I only spotted the Rakuten TV had been added to my V6 box yesterday. Funny they can add a new app that most probably don't really want, but they won't add Disney+ and Paramount+ and prefer to use those as a carrot to encourage people to do the 360 'upgrade'.

MatthewEastaugh 03-09-2024 20:57

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36182402)
Where have you got that from ?

https://rxtvinfo.com/2024/sky-discon...llite-service/

It is being reported on various sites.

vincerooney 03-09-2024 23:12

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36182410)
I'm sure it was just a re-brand back to Premier Sports as Viaplay own Premier.

So the nations league is on premier sports this week and next?

RichardCoulter 04-09-2024 01:10

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MatthewEastaugh (Post 36182458)
https://rxtvinfo.com/2024/sky-discon...llite-service/

It is being reported on various sites.

Further technical changes observed may mean that the service is to be restored to Sky customers.

There's a data channel on 11934V with SID 8190 which looks suspiciously similar to the one that was recently deleted.

epsilon 04-09-2024 01:29

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy UK (Post 36182452)
CNN is back on Virgin but viewers will need to watch via Rakuten TV via Virgin on Demand on V6 Boxes.

Rumour has it that it may also be back as a HD channel shortly...

epsilon 04-09-2024 03:52

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Overnight changes:
The Aaj Tak service has been removed having failed to launch on Virgin TV.
New service CNN HD is running a pre-launch configuration, provisionally taking channel 626 which has been released by the removal of Aaj Tak.
Eurosport 3 HD the pop-up channel placeholder has moved from SID 703 to placeholder SID 753, releasing SID 703 to be used by CNN HD.
Further details:

https://ukcabletvchanges.blogspot.com

Media Boy UK 04-09-2024 08:25

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
With CNN HD NOW testing on Virgin Media UK I feel the following channels MAY launch:

*Discovery Turbo +1
*Food Network +1
*Quest Red +1

But I am 90% sure that:

Boomerang SD Channel will be axe for Boomerang HD to launch on Virgin Media UK.

RichardCoulter 04-09-2024 09:59

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy UK (Post 36182482)
With CNN HD NOW testing on Virgin Media UK I feel the following channels MAY launch:

*Discovery Turbo +1
*Food Network +1
*Quest Red +1

But I am 90% sure that:

Boomerang SD Channel will be axe for Boomerang HD to launch on Virgin Media UK.

Maybe Boomerang HD will start, given that the streaming service is closing on 30 September?

Maybe it won't as, perhaps, the Boomerang channel is to close completely, given that the website is to close too??

MatthewEastaugh 04-09-2024 14:51

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36182489)
Maybe Boomerang HD will start, given that the streaming service is closing on 30 September?

Maybe it won't as, perhaps, the Boomerang channel is to close completely, given that the website is to close too??

That's in the USA, where it's being folded in to Max.

https://www.animationmagazine.net/20...-in-september/

vincerooney 05-09-2024 00:35

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
what happened with peacock in the UK? did sky just give up?

Paul 05-09-2024 02:04

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36182543)
what happened with peacock in the UK? did sky just give up?

This ?
https://www.sky.com/help/articles/using-peacock

epsilon 05-09-2024 02:20

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Overnight changes:
The Sky Arts placeholder has been removed after protecting recordings for 92 days since the channel was removed from the EPG.
Temporary rebrand:
- Seasonal rebrand for GREAT! romance.
Further details:
https://ukcabletvchanges.blogspot.com

RichardCoulter 05-09-2024 05:28

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MatthewEastaugh (Post 36182503)
That's in the USA, where it's being folded in to Max.

https://www.animationmagazine.net/20...-in-september/

Is there a Boomerang streaming service in the UK?

RichardCoulter 05-09-2024 16:09

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36182467)
Further technical changes observed may mean that the service is to be restored to Sky customers.

There's a data channel on 11934V with SID 8190 which looks suspiciously similar to the one that was recently deleted.

Greyhound racing is now back on Sky Sports Racing red button on a Sky+HD box.

No idea if anything else will be restored or if this service will return to Virgin.

Media Boy UK 05-09-2024 16:16

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36182556)
Greyhound racing is now back on Sky Sports Racing red button on a Sky+HD box.

No idea if anything else will be restored or if this service will return to Virgin.

Virgin only get Greyhound racing when it broadcast on Sky Sports Racing HD.

Three Sky Sports Red Button Channels was restore by Tuesday night on Virgin.

SIX Sky Sports Red Button Channels has close.

https://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.p...ve=209&lang=en

RED means channel no longer broadcasting.

Paul 05-09-2024 17:58

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Some odd language codes assigned to the audio on two of them (02,03) - bre & ben.
I had to look both up, ben is Bengali, bre is Breton (Nope, I'd never even heard of that).
Are they really broadcasting in those languages ?

Media Boy UK 05-09-2024 18:17

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36182560)
Some odd language codes assigned to the audio on two of them (02,03) - bre & ben.
I had to look both up, ben is Bengali, bre is Breton (Nope, I'd never even heard of that).
Are they really broadcasting in those languages ?

The last time I did look on Tuesday night it just broadcasting a photos saying something like - Nothing is broadcasting here right now try again later.

epsilon 05-09-2024 19:04

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36182560)
Some odd language codes assigned to the audio on two of them (02,03) - bre & ben.
I had to look both up, ben is Bengali, bre is Breton (Nope, I'd never even heard of that).
Are they really broadcasting in those languages ?

Ignore them, interactive sports channels have always had spurious language codes but have been in English. Breton is spoken in parts of Brittany, France and is related to Welsh, Cornish etc.

OLD BOY 06-09-2024 14:01

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Rakuten TV is now available on Virgin Media. This is a welcome addition, given that it has both free and premium TV available for viewers.

https://advanced-television.com/2024...-on-virgin-tv/

[EXTRACT]

Rakuten TV, the European streaming platform, is now available on Virgin TV in the UK, offering viewers an array of content with over 8,000 titles on demand, including new releases to rent and buy, 150+ FAST channels and 1,000+ titles.

Access to the Rakuten TV app is direct, with no subscription necessary, Virgin TV customers can go to the app section on Virgin TV360 or Stream to access the app whereby they can watch three distinct services tailored to various viewing preferences.

These include:

No Extra Cost: an array of content at no extra cost, supported by ads.
A vast library of movies and TV shows without any subscription fees.

Live TV: a variety of live TV channels at no extra cost, supported by ad.

Store: Virgin TV customers are able to buy or rent the latest movie releases via the app by registering an account, offering the flexibility to watch premium content.

RichardCoulter 06-09-2024 21:06

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Been told that from 9 September Virgin will start to contact customers with TiVo (not V6) boxes to say that Netflix is to be removed.

If they still want Netflix they will be told to upgrade to the 360 box.

epsilon 07-09-2024 18:34

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36182600)
Been told that from 9 September Virgin will start to contact customers with TiVo (not V6) boxes to say that Netflix is to be removed.

If they still want Netflix they will be told to upgrade to the 360 box.

Which seems a bit pointless as the 360 also lacks several apps. Probably better just to get a dedicated streaming device and not to rely on what Virgin curates.

Media Boy UK 07-09-2024 18:46

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36182631)
Which seems a bit pointless as the 360 also lacks several apps. Probably better just to get a dedicated streaming device and not to rely on what Virgin curates.

MY OWN VIEWS:

I can't see V6 Boxes being axe anytime soon as Rakuten TV was added.

Maybe after 2025 but not before.

vincerooney 07-09-2024 23:56

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36182631)
Which seems a bit pointless as the 360 also lacks several apps. Probably better just to get a dedicated streaming device and not to rely on what Virgin curates.

what apps are missing? i think 360 has nearly everything now?

epsilon 08-09-2024 00:58

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36182641)
what apps are missing? i think 360 has nearly everything now?

Well, there are thousands, so I won't list them all. Some of the more popular ones that spring to mind are Discovery+, MUBI, Veeps, Hayu, Acorn TV, Shudder, Arrow, Crunchyroll, Spotify, other music apps such as Amazon, Deezer, Apple, Tidal etc, Radio aggregators that work such as Tune In (although the UK is restricting the service availability on most of these). TUBI, Plex, Rlaxx, Filmzie, nosey, revry, ARTE. More esoteric apps such as National Theatre at Home, Marquee TV, Met Opera On Demand. More than Virgin will ever have enough resources available to add to the 360. Many of them won't appeal to a lot of people and a lot of apps out there are, frankly, trash. But if you don't want to limit your choice to what Virgin thinks you should watch, get a proper streaming device and make your own choices. Virgin is unlikely to add apps such as NOW.

ozsat 08-09-2024 07:37

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
DAZN - which is everywhere else.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36182641)
what apps are missing? i think 360 has nearly everything now?


epsilon 08-09-2024 15:13

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 36182646)
DAZN - which is everywhere else.

Especially since it took over the NFL Game Pass. Lots of other omissions from the sports app genre. FIFA+, UEFA.tv, Triller, UFC, WWE Network, NBA, MLB, F1... to name but a few. ;)

vincerooney 08-09-2024 22:33

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36182645)
Well, there are thousands, so I won't list them all. Some of the more popular ones that spring to mind are Discovery+, MUBI, Veeps, Hayu, Acorn TV, Shudder, Arrow, Crunchyroll, Spotify, other music apps such as Amazon, Deezer, Apple, Tidal etc, Radio aggregators that work such as Tune In (although the UK is restricting the service availability on most of these). TUBI, Plex, Rlaxx, Filmzie, nosey, revry, ARTE. More esoteric apps such as National Theatre at Home, Marquee TV, Met Opera On Demand. More than Virgin will ever have enough resources available to add to the 360. Many of them won't appeal to a lot of people and a lot of apps out there are, frankly, trash. But if you don't want to limit your choice to what Virgin thinks you should watch, get a proper streaming device and make your own choices. Virgin is unlikely to add apps such as NOW.

ah i thought you meant apps missing from 360 but on the v6 from how i read it. apologies!

Why is tune in restricted? Its a shadow of its former self.

epsilon 08-09-2024 23:20

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36182665)
ah i thought you meant apps missing from 360 but on the v6 from how i read it. apologies!

Why is tune in restricted? Its a shadow of its former self.

Legal pressure from copyright owners, which has been interpreted as meaning overseas stations are prohibited as they aren't specifically paying copyright fees in the UK. Other countries don't have the same restrictions so Tune In now works much better with a VPN. Some of the directory based apps such as vTuner don't have such tight restrictions (yet).

vincerooney 08-09-2024 23:41

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36182667)
Legal pressure from copyright owners, which has been interpreted as meaning overseas stations are prohibited as they aren't specifically paying copyright fees in the UK. Other countries don't have the same restrictions so Tune In now works much better with a VPN. Some of the directory based apps such as vTuner don't have such tight restrictions (yet).

what a shame i loved listening to some foreign radio stations as it was quite educational!

epsilon 10-09-2024 03:05

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Overnight changes:
CNN HD launched on channel 626.
PBS America now available in HD on channel 187 after a change of transport stream.
Further details:
https://ukcabletvchanges.blogspot.com

RichardCoulter 10-09-2024 04:02

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36182741)
Overnight changes:
CNN HD launched on channel 626.
PBS America now available in HD on channel 187 after a change of transport stream.
Further details:
https://ukcabletvchanges.blogspot.com

Is this what EPG number it was on before?

1701-e 10-09-2024 09:13

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36182743)
Is this what EPG number it was on before?

CNN was previously on 607

Mr K 10-09-2024 10:25

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 36182747)
CNN was previously on 607

This is fascinating ;)
626 sounds a better number , 607 is just odd...

OLD BOY 10-09-2024 11:23

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36182752)
This is fascinating ;)
626 sounds a better number , 607 is just odd...


:D

epsilon 10-09-2024 14:18

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 36182747)
CNN was previously on 607

That was before Virgin TV decided to auction off the better slots in the genre, allegedly. The likes of GB News and Talk TV (remember that) made a land grab.

---------- Post added at 14:18 ---------- Previous post was at 14:17 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36182752)
This is fascinating ;)
626 sounds a better number , 607 is just odd...

That's always a thing with odd numbers...

Hugh 10-09-2024 14:52

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36182752)
This is fascinating ;)
626 sounds a better number , 607 is just odd...

It’s a Prime Number…

RichardCoulter 10-09-2024 15:31

Re: Virgin TV (2024)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1701-e (Post 36182747)
CNN was previously on 607

Thanks, so by removing the channel they've ended up with a worse EPG number (serves them right :D)

Was PBS America SD previously on 187?


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