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SnoopZ 12-12-2024 10:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36187572)
Plans to have tariffs without a Standing Charge are being mulled-over by OFGEM. We were on one of those tariffs for a few years, and as Low Users we saved a lot.

"Under Ofgem's price cap, standing charges have risen by 43% since 2019."

More info here.

https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/press-relea...012%20December.

Itshim 12-12-2024 15:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36187572)
Plans to have tariffs without a Standing Charge are being mulled-over by OFGEM. We were on one of those tariffs for a few years, and as Low Users we saved a lot.

"Under Ofgem's price cap, standing charges have risen by 43% since 2019."

Would certainly give the customer more control, so it won't happen :rolleyes:

Paul 12-12-2024 16:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36187570)
I wonder how many people with jump off a Smart Tariff onto a Fixed if these prices continue into the weekend?

The thing with Agile is its going to have bad periods, but over the 4 months so far I have saved almost £70, so I'm not going to jump ship just yet.
However, it is an option I'm keeping in mind if this carries on for too long - as far as I am aware, its possible to switch back to Agile later on if wanted.

I took the fixed option for gas almost a month ago (@5.68p) as Tracker was going high (over 6p) with no prospect of it falling below the fixed price anytime soon.
Tracker seems different to Agile, you cant go back to it for 9 months.

Taf 12-12-2024 16:45

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36187593)
Would certainly give the customer more control, so it won't happen :rolleyes:

It used to be a godsend for those who used very little power, or left homes empty for months at a time. But to whittle down their headline cost per kWh, energy companies brought it back to lift their ratings on comparison sites.

Itshim 12-12-2024 18:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36187606)
It used to be a godsend for those who used very little power, or left homes empty for months at a time. But to whittle down their headline cost per kWh, energy companies brought it back to lift their ratings on comparison sites.

Sure you are correct, got rid of the whole thing ,didn't like the whole setup. Used EDF years ago never understood why as it only supplied renewable electricity, it's linked to gas price. :cool:

Paul 13-12-2024 02:39

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Well the numbers are in, yesterday was painful, double the SVT cost.
Hopefully not too many days like that, otherwise I will be looking at plan B.

SnoopZ 13-12-2024 10:09

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As I'm home all weekend, I'm hoping it drops back to normal pricing levels for my Tracker. But I'm only home another week and it's early shift before I travel to parents for the Christmas period so I'm not going to make any tariff changes until after then. My Tracker prices today are 31.18 Elecy and 5.43 Gas, so my Gas is usually still cheaper than the SVT.

SnoopZ 13-12-2024 12:30

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Back to below the SVT for tomorrow on my Elecy at 23.20.

Sirius 13-12-2024 14:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36187570)
I wonder how many people with jump off a Smart Tariff onto a Fixed if these prices continue into the weekend?

It's not affecting me too much at the moment this week because I'm not at home between 1-10pm but I'm now looking at fixed prices and may consider it in a week or so if these prices persist.

I will give it another week and if it stays like this i will jump on an EV tariff till next year when the weather gets warmer. :)

Paul 14-12-2024 01:00

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As noted by SnoopZ, tomorrow looks to be back to normal.
Gonna need a few good days in the rest of December to cancel out the last 4.

SnoopZ 14-12-2024 12:27

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36187679)
As noted by SnoopZ, tomorrow looks to be back to normal.
Gonna need a few good days in the rest of December to cancel out the last 4.

Sunday is a good day on my tracker at 18.57.

downquark1 14-12-2024 13:10

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https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2024/12/2.gif

Paul 14-12-2024 16:55

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36187693)
Sunday is a good day on my tracker at 18.57.

Yes, cheap dinner tomorrow. Needed after last week. :)

SnoopZ 20-12-2024 14:33

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36187699)
Yes, cheap dinner tomorrow. Needed after last week. :)

And again Saturday Tracker 14.71.

Paul 20-12-2024 16:03

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36187975)
And again Saturday Tracker 14.71.

After the worst day I have ever seen last week, tomorrow is the best I have seen, mostly around 5p - even the peak prices (4pm - 7pm) are below 30p.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1734710447

The horizontal lines are 5p, 10p, 15p etc.

December is certainly proving to be an interesting month price wise.

Paul 21-12-2024 17:58

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Tomorrow looking good as well (and mostly negative values overnight).

The "losses" from the super high rates the other week have now all been wiped out by savings since then, overall, the month is back on track, in the green (!).

downquark1 21-12-2024 18:20

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Yeah if it had continued to be that bad I would have said the ofgem had set the price cap too low.

Paul 21-12-2024 18:44

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If you look at the generation history for those 3 days, wind power was almost non existant.
On Dec 12th it amounted to just 5.3%, we imported more (6.9%). It was almost all Gas (65.2%) hence the leap in costs. Quite Strange.

SnoopZ 30-12-2024 10:27

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I've currently got no gas boiler so spent the whole day heating the house with electric heaters and emersion for hot water, the Electricity cost for yesterday is £9.57 when I usually use £1.50 during a weekend. So my point being living without gas for heating and hot water is bloody expensive.

nashville 30-12-2024 10:55

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I keep getting phone calls to try and get me install a Smart Meter, But I hear a lot of complaints about them. Are they worth bothering about ?

SnoopZ 30-12-2024 11:09

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Just had an Octopus Power up email giving me FREE Electricity between 6am- 8.30am Tuesday 31st, hopefully it's completely free and not just above what I'd normally use as it comes at a good time for me.

Quote:

What do I need to do during a Power-up?


During the Power-up, there’ll be plenty of green electrons in your local wires. We want you to make the most of that lovely sun and wind power while it’s abundant.

Plan to use as much electricity as you need during that time: it’s a perfect time to do the hoovering, run the dishwasher or washing machine, run your heat pump or immersion heater, charge up, make dinner, you name it.

downquark1 30-12-2024 11:19

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Originally Posted by nashville (Post 36188412)
I keep getting phone calls to try and get me install a Smart Meter, But I hear a lot of complaints about them. Are they worth bothering about ?

As long as they are setup correctly they are fine, but it may take a few attempts to get there.

There are certain risks but they are going to be forced on us one way or another.

Hugh 30-12-2024 13:36

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36188414)
Just had an Octopus Power up email giving me FREE Electricity between 6am- 8.30am Tuesday 31st, hopefully it's completely free and not just above what I'd normally use as it comes at a good time for me.

From the website

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The electricity you’d normally use will cost the same, any extra power you use will be free.

Paul 30-12-2024 15:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36188414)
Just had an Octopus Power up email giving me FREE Electricity between 6am- 8.30am Tuesday 31st, hopefully it's completely free and not just above what I'd normally use.

Its not, these sessions are always the same, only anything above your normal usage is free.
If you're on Agile its normally very cheap (or actually free) in that time period, in fact its sometimes negative.

Tomorrows rates are not due for another 30 minutes, to see.

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The rates are now in :

Quote:

06:00 = 3.8p
06:30 = 8.4p
07:00 = 6.7p
07:30 = 12.1p
08:00 = 8.9p

SnoopZ 30-12-2024 17:25

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36188419)
From the website

I'm having trouble finding this, isn't power ups completely new in the last month and different to the other free electricity thing they had which I knew only gave it as free over normal use, before they called that a saving session but this is called power ups?

https://octopus.energy/power-ups/#:~...ll%20be%20free.

Edit..

Google seams to think Saving sessions are not the same as power ups with power ups ALL Electricity is Free and only partly Free with a Saving Session, I'm happy to be proved wrong though but it looks to be region specific.

Quote:

In Power-ups, your electricity is free at specific, super-green times.
Power-ups is only open to customers with connected smart meters in certain areas in South East & East England for now, because we're launching this cutting-edge project directly with the local network operator there, UK Power Networks.
Quote:

When it’s time to Power up, use as much electricity as you like and it'll all be free – it’s a perfect time to do the hoovering, run your heat pump or immersion heater, run the dishwasher or washing machine, make dinner, you name it.

Paul 30-12-2024 17:35

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Well you didnt say it was something new called "Power Ups".
That only seems to apply to some areas in the "South East & East England".

In fact, they have a map of the areas, its not many.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...chmentid=31252


That page makes it pretty clear its actually [completely] free.

Quote:

When it's time to Power up, use as much electricity as you like and it'll all be free

SnoopZ 30-12-2024 17:53

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Yes just found more info on it, I actually thought it was national so that's why I didn't think it was new to just my area.

It comes at a good time with no working boiler and while I'm home so I'll be switching everything on I can for 2.5hrs then going back to bed.

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People on Agile can fire up outdoor heaters at 11pm on New Year's! With negative rates.

SnoopZ 31-12-2024 11:15

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Got another 2.5hr power up in my area on New Year's day between 9-11.30, perfect timing again but atleast I won't have to wake up early again!

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There seems to be a new Tracker version December 2024 v1 which has appeared on the Gas Tracker website that is a fraction cheaper than the October 2024 tracker, the fact that it is cheaper is promising so I'm hoping the April 2025 tracker will also be cheaper.

Paul 31-12-2024 12:53

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Can you actually move to new Tracker versions ?

SnoopZ 31-12-2024 14:02

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36188502)
Can you actually move to new Tracker versions ?

I think it is only at the end of my 12 month contract, which I think then get a choice to go back onto a new Tracker or go on Flexible, so near the end of March I'll get an email asking what I wish to do.

SnoopZ 01-01-2025 13:01

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Got another 2hr power up tomorrow between 12-2pm.

Normally I'd be at work but I've been bed ridden with food since December 30th evening with a possible Sinus infection so should be able to take advantage again.

SnoopZ 07-01-2025 11:56

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Electric is expensive tomorrow in my region, 32.39 on Tracker, it's nothing I'm going to worry about though.

Mr K 07-01-2025 13:32

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36188816)
Electric is expensive tomorrow in my region, 32.39 on Tracker, it's nothing I'm going to worry about though.

Wouldn't you be better on a fixed tariff, if you're concerned by daily changes?

SnoopZ 07-01-2025 13:47

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36188829)
Wouldn't you be better on a fixed tariff, if you're concerned by daily changes?

I would be if it was 32p every week and could end up on fixed in April when this Tracker ends.

For now it's still better for me to be on Tracker as my average unit rate is 22p for December, flexible unit rates would be 25.57p and Fixed would be 24.61p.

How does that compare to your unit rates out of interest?

Mr K 07-01-2025 14:14

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36188832)
I would be if it was 32p every week and could end up on fixed in April when this Tracker ends.

For now it's still better for me to be on Tracker as my average unit rate is 22p for December, flexible unit rates would be 25.57p and Fixed would be 24.61p.

How does that compare to your unit rates out of interest?

Electricity 19.6p and gas 5.8p. Plus about about a £1 a day combined standing charge.

Is Agile a fixed tariff? Bear in mind as well as prices going up this month, they'll go up again in April.

Hugh 07-01-2025 14:47

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My fixed rate on Octopus is

Electricity 20.10p/kWh, with a Standing Charge 63.11p/day (£230.34/year)
Gas 5.37p/kWh, with a Standing Charge 28.26p/day (£103.15/year)

SnoopZ 07-01-2025 14:58

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36188833)
Electricity 19.6p and gas 5.8p. Plus about about a £1 a day combined standing charge.

Is Agile a fixed tariff? Bear in mind as well as prices going up this month, they'll go up again in April.

Your Electricity rate is very good I thought it would be more expensive.

Agile price changes every 30mins rather than daily for the Tracker, Agile I won't go on.

Who are you with again I may have to consider it in future as it seems pretty cheap?

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36188835)
My fixed rate on Octopus is

Electricity 20.10p/kWh, with a Standing Charge 63.11p/day (£230.34/year)
Gas 5.37p/kWh, with a Standing Charge 28.26p/day (£103.15/year)

Your standing charge is alot more than my standing charge for a fixed Electricity, if I was to sign up today my prices woul be.

Electric: unit rate 24.61, Standing charge 48.79
Gas: Unit rate 5.99, Standing Charge 29.38

Hugh 07-01-2025 16:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36188836)
Your Electricity rate is very good I thought it would be more expensive.

Agile price changes every 30mins rather than daily for the Tracker, Agile I won't go on.

Who are you with again I may have to consider it in future as it seems pretty cheap?

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Your standing charge is alot more than my standing charge for a fixed Electricity, if I was to sign up today my prices woul be.

Electric: unit rate 24.61, Standing charge 48.79
Gas: Unit rate 5.99, Standing Charge 29.38

Probably depends how much electricity you use - we used 343 kWh in our last 30 day billing period.

Electricity 343.0 kWh @ 20.10p/kWh - £68.93
Standing Charge 30 days @ 63.11p/day - £18.93
Total before VAT £87.86
(Plus VAT of £4.39)
Total Electricity Charges £92.25

At your rates, we would have paid

Electricity 343 x 24.61 - £84.41
Standing charge 30 days @ 48.78p/day - £14.63
Total Electricity Charges £99.04
(don’t know if your rates include VAT)

Paul 07-01-2025 17:18

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36188833)
Is Agile a fixed tariff?

No, it changes every 30 minutes based on wholesale prices, not connected to the price cap either.

When wind power is high, agile is very cheap, sometimes even negative (i.e. you get paid for the electricity you use).

Sometimes it has a bad day [or two] going very high. Tomorrow is one of those bad days.

Overall, its been cheaper than fixed or standard variable (i.e. price cap).
As long as it remains cheaper over the long run, I'll continue to stay on it.

The latest Octopus fixed (Jan 25) is not that brilliant - 23p.

Mr K 07-01-2025 17:44

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36188836)
Who are you with again I may have to consider it in future as it seems pretty cheap?

'Out Fox the Market', I've just switched to their latest fixed tariff:-'The Big January Sale (Jan 25) - Fix'd Dual v1.0'. You won't be able to use a comparison site to switch to them, you need to go direct.

Might also depend on your usage, I'm heavy on electricity and light on gas, so what's cheapest for me might not be for you.

Paul 07-01-2025 19:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36188862)
'Out Fox the Market', I've just switched to their latest fixed tariff:-'The Big January Sale (Jan 25) - Fix'd Dual v1.0'. You won't be able to use a comparison site to switch to them, you need to go direct.

Might also depend on your usage, I'm heavy on electricity and light on gas, so what's cheapest for me might not be for you.

They have a good electricity rate, not so good for gas.
The dual would be no good for me, the gas is more than I pay now, however, their electric only was only about 20.5p, which is still good.

SnoopZ 08-01-2025 10:36

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Any body else not received their Octopus December bill yet?

downquark1 08-01-2025 10:49

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36188904)
Any body else not received their Octopus December bill yet?

No I got mine fine.

If it is definitely overdue you can use the https://www.octopriceuk.app/missingData datachecker to see if there any missing bins.

*actually checking it, my account was credited on time but the bill arrived late today.

SnoopZ 08-01-2025 11:23

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Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36188906)
No I got mine fine.

If it is definitely overdue you can use the https://www.octopriceuk.app/missingData datachecker to see if there any missing bins.

*actually checking it, my account was credited on time but the bill arrived late today.

That's the site I always check, Gas is always a little behind, Octopus have taken both meter readings on the 1st of the month and my payment date is 2nd then I think the bill comes in a few days later.

I guess the bill this month is a little more complicated for them to workout because I had 3 days of completely free electricity over a 7hr period for their new Power-Up sessions in my region.

Paul 08-01-2025 18:05

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I got my bills for Gas and Electric ok.

I notice I have no Agile rates for tomorrow yet, they normally appear around 4pm.

I'm guessing thats probably a bad sign, low wind and high demand, due to the freezing weather.
(Demand is 48GW atm, highest I've seen, and very little wind, so mostly gas and imported power).

SnoopZ 08-01-2025 18:16

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I got my bills a few hours ago, my Tracker rate is 24.55 for tomorrow so it's likely your Agile rate will be alot cheaper than today because if mines bad yours seems to be bad as well.

Mr K 08-01-2025 18:52

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The UK power supply is struggling. It won't matter which supplier you're with if there's blackouts. At least it would keep the bills down.
https://news.sky.com/story/power-gri...hreat-13285474

Hugh 08-01-2025 18:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36188935)
The UK power supply is struggling. It won't matter which supplier you're with if there's blackouts. At least it would keep the bills down.
https://news.sky.com/story/power-gri...hreat-13285474

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2025/01/1.gif

Quote:

The NESO was at pains to point out that it does not signal that blackouts are imminent or that there is not enough generation to meet current demand.
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The UK has reciprocal arrangements with neighbouring countries to draw power via so-called interconnectors if and when required to help keep the lights on.

Mr K 08-01-2025 19:02

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Well it's a good time to recharge those batteries and power banks. Be prepared eh? ;)

Paul 08-01-2025 20:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36188935)
The UK power supply is struggling. It won't matter which supplier you're with if there's blackouts. At least it would keep the bills down.
https://news.sky.com/story/power-gri...hreat-13285474

As I have already said, we are nowhere near able to rely on "renewable" only, esp wind power.

All the wind turbines in the world are useless when there is no wind.

We got rid of all the backups except Gas so thats now keeping us going, along with 6GW of imports.

As I type this I see gas is providing 54% of our power generation, and 13% is imports.

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36188932)
my Tracker rate is 24.55 for tomorrow so it's likely your Agile rate will be alot cheaper than today.

Yes, finally came through, not as bad as feared, still not great though.

SnoopZ 08-01-2025 20:52

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Maybe if we ask Damian to turn off all his skynet servers the grid won't be as bad. :D

Sirius 08-01-2025 21:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36188947)
Maybe if we ask Damian to turn off all his skynet servers the grid won't be as bad. :D

lol I can ask ;)

SnoopZ 09-01-2025 11:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36188942)
As I have already said, we are nowhere near able to rely on "renewable" only, esp wind power.

All the wind turbines in the world are useless when there is no wind.

We got rid of all the backups except Gas so thats now keeping us going, along with 6GW of imports.

As I type this I see gas is providing 54% of our power generation, and 13% is imports.

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Yes, finally came through, not as bad as feared, still not great though.

I think you may hit your £1 cap tomorrow. My Tracker is saying 40.19 and it's the highest I've ever seen it.

ianch99 09-01-2025 12:09

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Here's an interesting site aiming to predict Agile pricing: https://prices.fly.dev/H/

Paul 09-01-2025 16:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36188988)
I think you may hit your £1 cap tomorrow. My Tracker is saying 40.19 and it's the highest I've ever seen it.

Yes, I noticed that, its going to be another bad day. :(

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36188991)
Here's an interesting site aiming to predict Agile pricing: https://prices.fly.dev/H/

Hmmm, interesting. Thx.

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Yep, rates have come through.

Ouch ! :(

Sirius 09-01-2025 17:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36189006)
Yes, I noticed that, its going to be another bad day. :(

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Hmmm, interesting. Thx.

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Yep, rates have come through.

Ouch ! :(

I moved to Octopus GO 4 weeks ago as i am traveling a lot at the moment. It means i have a fixed rate of 8p KWh between 00:30 and 05:30 which is when i charge my car. The mad fluctuations in Agile at the moment made me move for now. I will move back once the winter period is over.

Chris 09-01-2025 20:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 36189014)
I moved to Octopus GO 4 weeks ago as i am traveling a lot at the moment. It means i have a fixed rate of 8p KWh between 00:30 and 05:30 which is when i charge my car. The mad fluctuations in Agile at the moment made me move for now. I will move back once the winter period is over.

What daytime rate are you getting with GO?

I’ve been thinking about moving but I got a small EV for doing low local miles in and I’m worried that I won’t use the off-peak electricity enough to offset the higher daytime cost.

ianch99 09-01-2025 21:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36189034)
What daytime rate are you getting with GO?

I’ve been thinking about moving but I got a small EV for doing low local miles in and I’m worried that I won’t use the off-peak electricity enough to offset the higher daytime cost.

I have just switched to Go and was surprised how good the rates are:

Quote:

Octopus Go
The smart EV tariff with super cheap electricity between 00:30 - 05:30 every night
Tariff info (all prices include VAT)
Reference GO-VAR-22-10-14
Electricity
Day rate 26.40p per kWh
Night rate 8.50p per kWh
Standing charge 62.22p per day
Only 1.5p more that SVR in the day but a big win at night if you can use these hours. These is an Intelligent Go sibling tariff which has something to do with the type of car charger you might have?

I plan to move back to Agile when things (price, not wind) calm down a bit ..

Chris 09-01-2025 22:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36189037)
I have just switched to Go and was surprised how good the rates are:



Only 1.5p more that SVR in the day but a big win at night if you can use these hours. These is an Intelligent Go sibling tariff which has something to do with the type of car charger you might have?

I plan to move back to Agile when things (price, not wind) calm down a bit ..

Thanks :tu: ok so I guess I need to so the maths here …

It’s early days but at the moment I am using about 28kWh per week charging the EV. I work mostly from home but I do some local travel, most of which is a short school run. That’s why I went for the Dacia Spring, despite its tiny battery (a fraction under 27kWh) and short range (140 miles, give or take, under ideal conditions). My total electricity consumption this week was a tad over 103kWh.

My Flexible Octopus rate is 24.31p though, and in my area the GO daytime rate is 25.63p. Night rate is same as yours, 8.5p.

So right now, I’m spending about £6.80 per week charging the car and £18.23 powering everything else. On GO potentially that’s £2.38 on charging and £19.22 on everything else. So possibly a saving of 25.03-21.06=£3.97 per week, or about £17 per calendar (30 day) month.

The bonus consideration is that my EV charging is going to be pretty consistent week in week out whereas we have only just taken a lot of Christmas lights down and finished catering for a steady stream of friends and relatives, so 103kWh in a week, even including the car, is as high as our electricity consumption is ever likely to get.

So I guess I’m switching to Octopus GO. :D. I will wait until Mobilize have installed my 7kW wall charger though. At the moment I’m using a 3-pin plug, which would make it difficult to contain a full charge within the overnight period should I need it.

Paul 10-01-2025 02:02

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
'Go' is only available if you have an EV, so thats not an option.
'Flux', 'Snug' & 'Cosy' all seem to have various restrictions on who can have them as well.
Economy 7 is still an option, and in winter could be a consideration, as I have partial electric heating.

I also keep an eye on the fixed price as they often review it, the current 23p is a little high.
I moved to fixed Gas at 5.67p in early November, which has saved me a lot in the last 2 months.

This is my first year on Agile, so its obviously a bit of learning, I expected winter to have bad days.
Those bad days are irritating of course, but they generally get cancelled out by the good (cheap days).
The tarriff comparisons (using my actual consumption) show that overall Agile is still the cheapest for me (since I got the meter, so Aug - Dec 2023).

Even in January (so far) the bad days have not yet cancelled out the good days.
I expect they will when todays figures are in, but there is still the rest of the month.

I keep my eye on it, but there seems no reason to make panic decisions atm.

ianch99 10-01-2025 11:19

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36189056)
'Go' is only available if you have an EV, so thats not an option.
'Flux', 'Snug' & 'Cosy' all seem to have various restrictions on who can have them as well.
Economy 7 is still an option, and in winter could be a consideration, as I have partial electric heating.

I also keep an eye on the fixed price as they often review it, the current 23p is a little high.
I moved to fixed Gas at 5.67p in early November, which has saved me a lot in the last 2 months.

This is my first year on Agile, so its obviously a bit of learning, I expected winter to have bad days.
Those bad days are irritating of course, but they generally get cancelled out by the good (cheap days).
The tarriff comparisons (using my actual consumption) show that overall Agile is still the cheapest for me (since I got the meter, so Aug - Dec 2023).

Even in January (so far) the bad days have not yet cancelled out the good days.
I expect they will when todays figures are in, but there is still the rest of the month.

I keep my eye on it, but there seems no reason to make panic decisions atm.

I'm on Go and I do not have an EV.

Chris 10-01-2025 13:28

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
There are two versions of the GO tariff. Intelligent GO works with compatible cars and chargers and will charge the car whenever the unit rate drops super-low. I guess it’s similar to Agile in that respect, although in addition to ad-hoc charging during the day there is also a guaranteed low rate period every night. But to be put on that tariff you have to have a car and a charger that the sign-up form on their website recognises and approves of.

The regular GO tariff is really just the same idea as Economy 7. It gives you super-low rates overnight and slightly more expensive ones the rest of the time. In this case it’s 5 hours overnight but no extra top-up hours during the day. You don’t actually need an EV to go on this tariff because it’s designed for cars and chargers that they don’t support (apparently because the device manufacturer hasn’t built in the necessary software), so they can’t prove whether you’re actually using an EV or not.

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Just had a phone call from the installer … 7kW home charger coming my way in a little under 3 weeks :hyper:

SnoopZ 10-01-2025 17:30

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Over 3 days I've had 7 hrs of completely free Electricity and they will credit my account.

We’ll credit you a total of £5.5 for all of the electricity you used during the Power Ups on 01/01/2025, 02/01/2025, 31/12/2024.

Quote:

We’ll credit you a total of £5.5 for all of the electricity you used during the Power Ups on 01/01/2025, 02/01/2025, 31/12/2024.

As a collective Power-ups customers have used a total of 5.5GWh spare green electricity, stopping it going to waste and keeping the grid in balance.

Smashing job, well done everyone!

Paul 10-01-2025 19:56

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36189070)
I'm on Go and I do not have an EV.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36189072)
You don’t actually need an EV to go on this tariff


Well I looked it up on their site ;

https://octopus.energy/smart/go/

Quote:

To join Octopus Go you need to...

* Be an Octopus Energy customer
* Have an electric car and a home EV charger
* Have a smart meter we can connect to

Sirius 10-01-2025 21:22

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36189102)
Well I looked it up on their site ;

https://octopus.energy/smart/go/

I have both but was not asked for proof. If you want that tariff just say you are thinking of buying an ev over the next month ;)

Paul 10-01-2025 21:24

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
I'm not switching atm, I was just researching options I may consider over winter next year. :D

nashville 11-01-2025 12:06

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
S P say that our old meters will not work in a few months and we will all need a Smart Meter, Is this true ?

pip08456 11-01-2025 12:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nashville (Post 36189126)
S P say that our old meters will not work in a few months and we will all need a Smart Meter, Is this true ?

No.

Chris 11-01-2025 14:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36189137)
No.

Actually yes, if it’s an Economy 7 or Economy 10 meter. The Radio Teleswitching Service that causes them to switch between cheap and standard unit rates is being discontinued in June. It has already been delayed from last year and won’t be delayed again.

If she uses Economy 7 she will not be charged correctly by her old electromechanical meter once the RTS switching signal is turned off. If she has an economy 7 meter she must ensure she gets it replaced with a smart meter by June.

Paul 11-01-2025 22:28

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It doesnt actually have to be replaced by a SMART meter - you can also swap it for a standard meter (assuming you can get them to fit one of course) - but you can also use the existing meter, just on a standard tarrif, using the readings from the working register.

The teleswitch turn off doesnt stop the meter working, it simply stops it switching between the two registers, all your usage will still be logged, just on one register.

Chris 11-01-2025 22:33

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Well yes, but I’m working on the assumption that anyone who still has an economy 7 meter has it because they still use it to meter an economy 7 tariff. If that’s the case then the old meter, come June, will begin logging overnight usage at the same standard rate as daytime. That will quickly get very expensive if you’re still running storage heaters. The only way to continue using storage heaters once the RTS signal is turned off would be to use a smart meter.

Paul 11-01-2025 22:50

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36189166)
That will quickly get very expensive if you’re still running storage heaters. The only way to continue using storage heaters once the RTS signal is turned off would be to use a smart meter.

Agreed, but thats not what was said. :)

Many people [still] on E7 these days dont have storage radiators anymore, they are on it historically, and have just never moved.
I was on it for 10+ years after disconnecting the last of my storage heaters. If you used at least 25% of your electric in the E7 hours it was still worth it.

Over time my night usage dropped to about 21%, but until around 2020 I didnt care about that too much as the difference wasnt significant.
However as prices went up, it was more of an issue and I switched to standard (still on the E7 meter - they just charged the standard rate on both readings).

downquark1 19-01-2025 09:38

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
While my meter works fine my parents have this problem where the gas data has massive holes in it. So it seems to be receiving SOME data but not all of it.

The meters are not that far apart but there is a wall between them. So there isn't much I can do.

Anyone have any ideas before I talk to octopus about it?

Paul 19-01-2025 15:48

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
There isnt really anything you can do.

In theory they can force the old data to sync when the meter reconnects.
They dont seem to do that often. I had a gap of 5 days back in Oct, which is still there.

They even billed me for those days, not sure where the information came from, but it looked reasonable, so I didnt bother to question it.
Since then (November) I have moved my Gas to Fixed, so a few gaps dont really matter, they just need one current reading to do the bill.

I also have an Octopus mini, which usually seems to have all the data, I dont know why they dont use that to fill gaps (or maybe they do, thats unclear).

Paul 20-01-2025 01:50

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Another two or three bad days coming to Agile (& Tracker I guess). :(
After that (from about Thursday) it looks like we have a lot of wind (storm level in some cases) so hopefully some good days to even out the month. :smokin:

SnoopZ 21-01-2025 11:18

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36189598)
Another two or three bad days coming to Agile (& Tracker I guess). :(
After that (from about Thursday) it looks like we have a lot of wind (storm level in some cases) so hopefully some good days to even out the month. :smokin:

Yes, 44.32p on my tracker tomorrow the highest ever, if I was at home all day I would consider coming off it, but this week I'm only home in the mornings as working late shift so its not so bad.

I'm going to try and stay on Tracker until my contract ends in April and see what happens then.

downquark1 21-01-2025 11:29

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36189584)
There isnt really anything you can do.

In theory they can force the old data to sync when the meter reconnects.
They dont seem to do that often. I had a gap of 5 days back in Oct, which is still there.

They even billed me for those days, not sure where the information came from, but it looked reasonable, so I didnt bother to question it.
Since then (November) I have moved my Gas to Fixed, so a few gaps dont really matter, they just need one current reading to do the bill.

I also have an Octopus mini, which usually seems to have all the data, I dont know why they dont use that to fill gaps (or maybe they do, thats unclear).

Well that does seem to suck.

-------------

On the agile/tracker prices - It seems to me that unless February or March are significantly cheaper then we should conclude ofgem set the prices too low.

Paul 21-01-2025 23:54

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Octopus ran one of their peak time saving sessions today, between 5.30pm and 6.30pm.

I did opt in, although its probably unlikely I saved much usage at those times as it was dinner time for various family members.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36189730)
...if I was at home all day I would consider coming off it

I doubt they would have taken you off it in time, it usually takes a day or two it least to change tariff.

Agile looks very painful tomorrow, then predicted to be much better for the next week. So I'll claw back some savings.

I'm going to try and give it a full run (back into summer) and see what I learn.
The lesson so far seems to be that some kind of fixed tariff, or even SVT is probably better over the winter months (or maybe 'Go' if I can get onto it).

Paul 22-01-2025 21:56

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
The rates today were just ridiculous, and even though they are predicted to improve, they are still not predicted to be great.

After consideration, I have decided to change track, and attempt a switch to "Go" - then review again in the Spring/Summer, when (or if) Agile improves.

Sirius 22-01-2025 22:06

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36189856)
The rates today were just ridiculous, and even though they are predicted to improve, they are still not predicted to be great.

After consideration, I have decided to change track, and attempt a switch to "Go" - then review again in the Spring/Summer, when (or if) Agile improves.

I moved to go over a month ago. It was the best thing to do.

Paul 22-01-2025 22:12

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Well I actually did the application before I posted, and to my surprise, they did it pretty much within 30 minutes.
So its now complete, and I think it applies for the whole of today, which is a good start. :)

ianch99 23-01-2025 09:37

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36189861)
Well I actually did the application before I posted, and to my surprise, they did it pretty much within 30 minutes.
So its now complete, and I think it applies for the whole of today, which is a good start. :)

I also switched away from Agile to Go and you can make modest savings (2 or 3%) relative to SVR without trying. Move some things like washing/dishwasher to overnight to save more.

Someone, somewhere is making an awful lot of money off of this system.

Mr K 23-01-2025 21:07

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36189883)
I also switched away from Agile to Go and you can make modest savings (2 or 3%) relative to SVR without trying. Move some things like washing/dishwasher to overnight to save more.

Someone, somewhere is making an awful lot of money off of this system.

Smart meters were never for the consumer's benefit. There's lot of things they can potentially do with them, even if they aren't doing it yet.

Paul 23-01-2025 23:14

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36189883)
Move some things like washing/dishwasher to overnight to save more.

Our dishwasher is normally in bed by then. :D

ianch99 24-01-2025 10:06

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36189925)
Smart meters were never for the consumer's benefit. There's lot of things they can potentially do with them, even if they aren't doing it yet.

They have been a tremendous benefit for this consumer. Wouldn't go back ...

Sirius 24-01-2025 12:30

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36189952)
They have been a tremendous benefit for this consumer. Wouldn't go back ...

Indeed they have saved me a fortune.

Taf 24-01-2025 12:53

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Attempts to make me accept a smart meter have restarted, by a bloke who sounded very bored reading from a script. NO THANKYOU.

Paul 24-01-2025 15:46

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 36189962)
Indeed they have saved me a fortune.

I concur. Despite the few odd blips, I've saved money on most days.
Since install day I have saved £63 over the standard rate (and £48 over the fixed rates).

I guess for the pedantic, the meter itself doesnt save anything as such, its the smart tariffs you can use with it (on Octopus) that [can] save you money.

Once Agile settles down again (hopefully in the spring) I'll be looking at switching back to it.
Also, for those interested in their usage, you can see what you are using, and when (esp with the Octopus Mini, which I love).

Paul 29-01-2025 00:22

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36189768)
Octopus ran one of their peak time saving sessions today, between 5.30pm and 6.30pm.

I did opt in, although its probably unlikely I saved much usage at those times as it was dinner time for various family members.

Results are in, I did save a little bit, and got 96 points (worth a staggering 12p :erm:). If it wasnt for the fact its basically just a click to join, I wouldnt bother.

downquark1 29-01-2025 07:27

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Yeah the saving sessions only seem to be worth it if you are normally cooking in that time and you can shift it an hour or so (or have a salad).

SnoopZ 29-01-2025 09:02

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Power ups are where the savings are but I've not been offered anything since the 3 sessions at the start of the year.

Chris 29-01-2025 09:15

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Well, the electrician is here, installing my wall charger. As soon as he’s gone and I know exactly what it is he’s fitted, I’ll be on to Octopus to get on their GO tariff - Intelligent if possible, but I suspect the free charger my car dealer has supplied will not be sufficiently premium to work with that. :D

Chris 29-01-2025 15:31

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
… and it’s done. Once I actually had the charger installed (and so knew exactly what it was they were supplying), I was able to add it to my Octopus account and switch to Intelligent GO. I’m particularly chuffed at this because I-GO starts offering super-cheap leccy an hour earlier than regular Go, from 11.30pm. I’m almost always still up at that time so I can do things like refill the boiler or switch on the dehumidifier (if we’re drying lots of clothes), which don’t have a timer. The dishwasher/washing machine/tumble dryer all have timers. The dishwasher is my domain, so all I need to do now is persuade missus to start using the timer on the washer and dryer and we’re quids in. :D

Taf 29-01-2025 17:56

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36189963)
Attempts to make me accept a smart meter have restarted, by a bloke who sounded very bored reading from a script. NO THANKYOU.

Three a day now, from various people with various thick accents. NO THANKYOU!

Jaymoss 29-01-2025 17:58

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36190283)
Three a day now, from various people with various thick accents. NO THANKYOU!

Octopus has said my leccy meter is out of date but so far it is just a message on the account page

Paul 29-01-2025 19:17

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36190275)
I was able to add it to my Octopus account and switch to Intelligent GO. I’m particularly chuffed at this because I-GO starts offering super-cheap leccy an hour earlier than regular Go

IGO is a little cheaper as well, 7p instead of 8.5p.

You just had to add your charger, on some page, rather than provide some actual proof ?

Sirius 29-01-2025 19:33

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36190283)
Three a day now, from various people with various thick accents. NO THANKYOU!

I don't understand the point of your constant posts about this. if you dislike these calls that much and you must do as you tell us all about it all the time, why don't you just block the numbers that the calls come from. If i get a call from a company i don't want to hear from as soon as the call is over i block their number. :2cents:

Chris 29-01-2025 19:38

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36190294)
IGO is a little cheaper as well, 7p instead of 8.5p.

You just had to add your charger, on some page, rather than provide some actual proof ?

You begin by requesting to switch to Go. They ask you what car and charger you have and then offer Intelligent Go if it’s a combination they can control remotely, or regular Go if they can’t. But they then tell you you have to add it to ‘My Devices’ in the Octopus app, otherwise they bump you down from Intelligent to regular Go after 7 days.

Once they can remotely programme your charger they set up an overnight schedule which looks like this. The tiny text says the charging plan can change during the night, but never so much that it would prevent the car being fully charged by the time specified.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1738179445

Paul 30-01-2025 02:46

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Interesting, good to know, if I ever need it. :)

Taf 30-01-2025 09:51

Re: Smart Meters and Tariffs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 36190295)
...why don't you just block the numbers that the calls come from. If i get a call from a company i don't want to hear from as soon as the call is over i block their number. :2cents:

I have a look at the number before I answer. They are never the same, and quite a few are from abroad.


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