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However, it is an option I'm keeping in mind if this carries on for too long - as far as I am aware, its possible to switch back to Agile later on if wanted. I took the fixed option for gas almost a month ago (@5.68p) as Tracker was going high (over 6p) with no prospect of it falling below the fixed price anytime soon. Tracker seems different to Agile, you cant go back to it for 9 months. |
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Well the numbers are in, yesterday was painful, double the SVT cost.
Hopefully not too many days like that, otherwise I will be looking at plan B. |
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As I'm home all weekend, I'm hoping it drops back to normal pricing levels for my Tracker. But I'm only home another week and it's early shift before I travel to parents for the Christmas period so I'm not going to make any tariff changes until after then. My Tracker prices today are 31.18 Elecy and 5.43 Gas, so my Gas is usually still cheaper than the SVT.
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Back to below the SVT for tomorrow on my Elecy at 23.20.
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As noted by SnoopZ, tomorrow looks to be back to normal.
Gonna need a few good days in the rest of December to cancel out the last 4. |
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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1734710447 The horizontal lines are 5p, 10p, 15p etc. December is certainly proving to be an interesting month price wise. |
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Tomorrow looking good as well (and mostly negative values overnight).
The "losses" from the super high rates the other week have now all been wiped out by savings since then, overall, the month is back on track, in the green (!). |
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Yeah if it had continued to be that bad I would have said the ofgem had set the price cap too low.
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If you look at the generation history for those 3 days, wind power was almost non existant.
On Dec 12th it amounted to just 5.3%, we imported more (6.9%). It was almost all Gas (65.2%) hence the leap in costs. Quite Strange. |
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I've currently got no gas boiler so spent the whole day heating the house with electric heaters and emersion for hot water, the Electricity cost for yesterday is £9.57 when I usually use £1.50 during a weekend. So my point being living without gas for heating and hot water is bloody expensive.
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I keep getting phone calls to try and get me install a Smart Meter, But I hear a lot of complaints about them. Are they worth bothering about ?
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Just had an Octopus Power up email giving me FREE Electricity between 6am- 8.30am Tuesday 31st, hopefully it's completely free and not just above what I'd normally use as it comes at a good time for me.
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If you're on Agile its normally very cheap (or actually free) in that time period, in fact its sometimes negative. Tomorrows rates are not due for another 30 minutes, to see. ---------- Post added at 15:59 ---------- Previous post was at 15:24 ---------- The rates are now in : Quote:
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https://octopus.energy/power-ups/#:~...ll%20be%20free. Edit.. Google seams to think Saving sessions are not the same as power ups with power ups ALL Electricity is Free and only partly Free with a Saving Session, I'm happy to be proved wrong though but it looks to be region specific. Quote:
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Well you didnt say it was something new called "Power Ups".
That only seems to apply to some areas in the "South East & East England". In fact, they have a map of the areas, its not many. https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...chmentid=31252 That page makes it pretty clear its actually [completely] free. Quote:
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Yes just found more info on it, I actually thought it was national so that's why I didn't think it was new to just my area.
It comes at a good time with no working boiler and while I'm home so I'll be switching everything on I can for 2.5hrs then going back to bed. ---------- Post added at 17:53 ---------- Previous post was at 17:42 ---------- People on Agile can fire up outdoor heaters at 11pm on New Year's! With negative rates. |
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Got another 2.5hr power up in my area on New Year's day between 9-11.30, perfect timing again but atleast I won't have to wake up early again!
---------- Post added at 11:15 ---------- Previous post was at 11:06 ---------- There seems to be a new Tracker version December 2024 v1 which has appeared on the Gas Tracker website that is a fraction cheaper than the October 2024 tracker, the fact that it is cheaper is promising so I'm hoping the April 2025 tracker will also be cheaper. |
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Can you actually move to new Tracker versions ?
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Got another 2hr power up tomorrow between 12-2pm.
Normally I'd be at work but I've been bed ridden with food since December 30th evening with a possible Sinus infection so should be able to take advantage again. |
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Electric is expensive tomorrow in my region, 32.39 on Tracker, it's nothing I'm going to worry about though.
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For now it's still better for me to be on Tracker as my average unit rate is 22p for December, flexible unit rates would be 25.57p and Fixed would be 24.61p. How does that compare to your unit rates out of interest? |
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Is Agile a fixed tariff? Bear in mind as well as prices going up this month, they'll go up again in April. |
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My fixed rate on Octopus is
Electricity 20.10p/kWh, with a Standing Charge 63.11p/day (£230.34/year) Gas 5.37p/kWh, with a Standing Charge 28.26p/day (£103.15/year) |
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Agile price changes every 30mins rather than daily for the Tracker, Agile I won't go on. Who are you with again I may have to consider it in future as it seems pretty cheap? ---------- Post added at 14:58 ---------- Previous post was at 14:49 ---------- Quote:
Electric: unit rate 24.61, Standing charge 48.79 Gas: Unit rate 5.99, Standing Charge 29.38 |
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Electricity 343.0 kWh @ 20.10p/kWh - £68.93 Standing Charge 30 days @ 63.11p/day - £18.93 Total before VAT £87.86 (Plus VAT of £4.39) Total Electricity Charges £92.25 At your rates, we would have paid Electricity 343 x 24.61 - £84.41 Standing charge 30 days @ 48.78p/day - £14.63 Total Electricity Charges £99.04 (don’t know if your rates include VAT) |
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When wind power is high, agile is very cheap, sometimes even negative (i.e. you get paid for the electricity you use). Sometimes it has a bad day [or two] going very high. Tomorrow is one of those bad days. Overall, its been cheaper than fixed or standard variable (i.e. price cap). As long as it remains cheaper over the long run, I'll continue to stay on it. The latest Octopus fixed (Jan 25) is not that brilliant - 23p. |
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Might also depend on your usage, I'm heavy on electricity and light on gas, so what's cheapest for me might not be for you. |
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The dual would be no good for me, the gas is more than I pay now, however, their electric only was only about 20.5p, which is still good. |
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Any body else not received their Octopus December bill yet?
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If it is definitely overdue you can use the https://www.octopriceuk.app/missingData datachecker to see if there any missing bins. *actually checking it, my account was credited on time but the bill arrived late today. |
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I guess the bill this month is a little more complicated for them to workout because I had 3 days of completely free electricity over a 7hr period for their new Power-Up sessions in my region. |
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I got my bills for Gas and Electric ok.
I notice I have no Agile rates for tomorrow yet, they normally appear around 4pm. I'm guessing thats probably a bad sign, low wind and high demand, due to the freezing weather. (Demand is 48GW atm, highest I've seen, and very little wind, so mostly gas and imported power). |
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I got my bills a few hours ago, my Tracker rate is 24.55 for tomorrow so it's likely your Agile rate will be alot cheaper than today because if mines bad yours seems to be bad as well.
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The UK power supply is struggling. It won't matter which supplier you're with if there's blackouts. At least it would keep the bills down.
https://news.sky.com/story/power-gri...hreat-13285474 |
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Well it's a good time to recharge those batteries and power banks. Be prepared eh? ;)
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All the wind turbines in the world are useless when there is no wind. We got rid of all the backups except Gas so thats now keeping us going, along with 6GW of imports. As I type this I see gas is providing 54% of our power generation, and 13% is imports. ---------- Post added at 20:41 ---------- Previous post was at 20:40 ---------- Quote:
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Maybe if we ask Damian to turn off all his skynet servers the grid won't be as bad. :D
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Here's an interesting site aiming to predict Agile pricing: https://prices.fly.dev/H/
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I’ve been thinking about moving but I got a small EV for doing low local miles in and I’m worried that I won’t use the off-peak electricity enough to offset the higher daytime cost. |
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I plan to move back to Agile when things (price, not wind) calm down a bit .. |
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It’s early days but at the moment I am using about 28kWh per week charging the EV. I work mostly from home but I do some local travel, most of which is a short school run. That’s why I went for the Dacia Spring, despite its tiny battery (a fraction under 27kWh) and short range (140 miles, give or take, under ideal conditions). My total electricity consumption this week was a tad over 103kWh. My Flexible Octopus rate is 24.31p though, and in my area the GO daytime rate is 25.63p. Night rate is same as yours, 8.5p. So right now, I’m spending about £6.80 per week charging the car and £18.23 powering everything else. On GO potentially that’s £2.38 on charging and £19.22 on everything else. So possibly a saving of 25.03-21.06=£3.97 per week, or about £17 per calendar (30 day) month. The bonus consideration is that my EV charging is going to be pretty consistent week in week out whereas we have only just taken a lot of Christmas lights down and finished catering for a steady stream of friends and relatives, so 103kWh in a week, even including the car, is as high as our electricity consumption is ever likely to get. So I guess I’m switching to Octopus GO. :D. I will wait until Mobilize have installed my 7kW wall charger though. At the moment I’m using a 3-pin plug, which would make it difficult to contain a full charge within the overnight period should I need it. |
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'Go' is only available if you have an EV, so thats not an option.
'Flux', 'Snug' & 'Cosy' all seem to have various restrictions on who can have them as well. Economy 7 is still an option, and in winter could be a consideration, as I have partial electric heating. I also keep an eye on the fixed price as they often review it, the current 23p is a little high. I moved to fixed Gas at 5.67p in early November, which has saved me a lot in the last 2 months. This is my first year on Agile, so its obviously a bit of learning, I expected winter to have bad days. Those bad days are irritating of course, but they generally get cancelled out by the good (cheap days). The tarriff comparisons (using my actual consumption) show that overall Agile is still the cheapest for me (since I got the meter, so Aug - Dec 2023). Even in January (so far) the bad days have not yet cancelled out the good days. I expect they will when todays figures are in, but there is still the rest of the month. I keep my eye on it, but there seems no reason to make panic decisions atm. |
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There are two versions of the GO tariff. Intelligent GO works with compatible cars and chargers and will charge the car whenever the unit rate drops super-low. I guess it’s similar to Agile in that respect, although in addition to ad-hoc charging during the day there is also a guaranteed low rate period every night. But to be put on that tariff you have to have a car and a charger that the sign-up form on their website recognises and approves of.
The regular GO tariff is really just the same idea as Economy 7. It gives you super-low rates overnight and slightly more expensive ones the rest of the time. In this case it’s 5 hours overnight but no extra top-up hours during the day. You don’t actually need an EV to go on this tariff because it’s designed for cars and chargers that they don’t support (apparently because the device manufacturer hasn’t built in the necessary software), so they can’t prove whether you’re actually using an EV or not. ---------- Post added at 13:28 ---------- Previous post was at 11:58 ---------- Just had a phone call from the installer … 7kW home charger coming my way in a little under 3 weeks :hyper: |
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Over 3 days I've had 7 hrs of completely free Electricity and they will credit my account.
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I'm not switching atm, I was just researching options I may consider over winter next year. :D
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S P say that our old meters will not work in a few months and we will all need a Smart Meter, Is this true ?
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If she uses Economy 7 she will not be charged correctly by her old electromechanical meter once the RTS switching signal is turned off. If she has an economy 7 meter she must ensure she gets it replaced with a smart meter by June. |
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It doesnt actually have to be replaced by a SMART meter - you can also swap it for a standard meter (assuming you can get them to fit one of course) - but you can also use the existing meter, just on a standard tarrif, using the readings from the working register.
The teleswitch turn off doesnt stop the meter working, it simply stops it switching between the two registers, all your usage will still be logged, just on one register. |
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Well yes, but I’m working on the assumption that anyone who still has an economy 7 meter has it because they still use it to meter an economy 7 tariff. If that’s the case then the old meter, come June, will begin logging overnight usage at the same standard rate as daytime. That will quickly get very expensive if you’re still running storage heaters. The only way to continue using storage heaters once the RTS signal is turned off would be to use a smart meter.
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Many people [still] on E7 these days dont have storage radiators anymore, they are on it historically, and have just never moved. I was on it for 10+ years after disconnecting the last of my storage heaters. If you used at least 25% of your electric in the E7 hours it was still worth it. Over time my night usage dropped to about 21%, but until around 2020 I didnt care about that too much as the difference wasnt significant. However as prices went up, it was more of an issue and I switched to standard (still on the E7 meter - they just charged the standard rate on both readings). |
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While my meter works fine my parents have this problem where the gas data has massive holes in it. So it seems to be receiving SOME data but not all of it.
The meters are not that far apart but there is a wall between them. So there isn't much I can do. Anyone have any ideas before I talk to octopus about it? |
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There isnt really anything you can do.
In theory they can force the old data to sync when the meter reconnects. They dont seem to do that often. I had a gap of 5 days back in Oct, which is still there. They even billed me for those days, not sure where the information came from, but it looked reasonable, so I didnt bother to question it. Since then (November) I have moved my Gas to Fixed, so a few gaps dont really matter, they just need one current reading to do the bill. I also have an Octopus mini, which usually seems to have all the data, I dont know why they dont use that to fill gaps (or maybe they do, thats unclear). |
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Another two or three bad days coming to Agile (& Tracker I guess). :(
After that (from about Thursday) it looks like we have a lot of wind (storm level in some cases) so hopefully some good days to even out the month. :smokin: |
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I'm going to try and stay on Tracker until my contract ends in April and see what happens then. |
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Octopus ran one of their peak time saving sessions today, between 5.30pm and 6.30pm.
I did opt in, although its probably unlikely I saved much usage at those times as it was dinner time for various family members. ---------- Post added at 23:54 ---------- Previous post was at 23:47 ---------- Quote:
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The rates today were just ridiculous, and even though they are predicted to improve, they are still not predicted to be great.
After consideration, I have decided to change track, and attempt a switch to "Go" - then review again in the Spring/Summer, when (or if) Agile improves. |
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Well I actually did the application before I posted, and to my surprise, they did it pretty much within 30 minutes.
So its now complete, and I think it applies for the whole of today, which is a good start. :) |
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Someone, somewhere is making an awful lot of money off of this system. |
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Attempts to make me accept a smart meter have restarted, by a bloke who sounded very bored reading from a script. NO THANKYOU.
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Since install day I have saved £63 over the standard rate (and £48 over the fixed rates). I guess for the pedantic, the meter itself doesnt save anything as such, its the smart tariffs you can use with it (on Octopus) that [can] save you money. Once Agile settles down again (hopefully in the spring) I'll be looking at switching back to it. Also, for those interested in their usage, you can see what you are using, and when (esp with the Octopus Mini, which I love). |
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Yeah the saving sessions only seem to be worth it if you are normally cooking in that time and you can shift it an hour or so (or have a salad).
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Power ups are where the savings are but I've not been offered anything since the 3 sessions at the start of the year.
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Well, the electrician is here, installing my wall charger. As soon as he’s gone and I know exactly what it is he’s fitted, I’ll be on to Octopus to get on their GO tariff - Intelligent if possible, but I suspect the free charger my car dealer has supplied will not be sufficiently premium to work with that. :D
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… and it’s done. Once I actually had the charger installed (and so knew exactly what it was they were supplying), I was able to add it to my Octopus account and switch to Intelligent GO. I’m particularly chuffed at this because I-GO starts offering super-cheap leccy an hour earlier than regular Go, from 11.30pm. I’m almost always still up at that time so I can do things like refill the boiler or switch on the dehumidifier (if we’re drying lots of clothes), which don’t have a timer. The dishwasher/washing machine/tumble dryer all have timers. The dishwasher is my domain, so all I need to do now is persuade missus to start using the timer on the washer and dryer and we’re quids in. :D
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You just had to add your charger, on some page, rather than provide some actual proof ? |
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Once they can remotely programme your charger they set up an overnight schedule which looks like this. The tiny text says the charging plan can change during the night, but never so much that it would prevent the car being fully charged by the time specified. https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1738179445 |
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Interesting, good to know, if I ever need it. :)
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