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Ms NTL 11-11-2023 16:54
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36163847)

I do enjoy when the far right come out. Gives something for teachers to use as a warning to kids what will happen if they don’t pay attention in class.
They seemed to be drunk. Several were holding beers....

Sephiroth 11-11-2023 17:03
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36163844)
29 arrests total at pro Palestinian marches in the U.K. resulting in six charged so far, as opposed to 92 counter protestors arrested just today. A few bad apples in a barrel doesn’t define the motives of the entire series of protests

There seems to be a complete lack of condemnation for the throwing of missiles at the police ?

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The met are searching for two people wearing pro Hamas headbands out of a count of 300,000 pro Palestinian protestors a tiny tiny proportion
300,000? You all know what I would want to say.

Ms NTL 11-11-2023 17:10
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36163849)
300,000? You all know what I would want to say.
Torygraph says 300,000

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/#source=refresh

Perhaps, I missed your point.

Sephiroth 11-11-2023 17:24
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36163850)
Torygraph says 300,000

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/#source=refresh

Perhaps, I missed your point.
The members who got my point are likely to comment.
I really needn't say more.

mrmistoffelees 11-11-2023 17:43
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36163849)
300,000? You all know what I would want to say.
Say it then ?

nomadking 11-11-2023 17:58
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36163849)
300,000? You all know what I would want to say.
How many of them holding anti-Hamas banners?

mrmistoffelees 11-11-2023 18:02
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36163853)
How many of them holding anti-Hamas banners?
‘ Police in the control room are also examining social media, and say they have seen people at the main protest pictured with pro-Hamas slogans. They are trying to identify these people.’

How many people in the main protest threw missiles at the police?

Dave42 11-11-2023 18:12
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Thousands at the Jewish bloc marching for a #CeasefireNOW

https://twitter.com/aronkeller/statu...32248668103118

nomadking 11-11-2023 18:16
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36163854)
‘ Police in the control room are also examining social media, and say they have seen people at the main protest pictured with pro-Hamas slogans. They are trying to identify these people.’

How many people in the main protest threw missiles at the police?
So, how many are against Hamas and it's actions? Would that be ZERO?

How many of them were blocked from doing whatever they want? Including supporting terrorists and killing of certain civilians.

mrmistoffelees 11-11-2023 18:38
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36163856)
So, how many are against Hamas and it's actions? Would that be ZERO?

How many of them were blocked from doing whatever they want? Including supporting terrorists and killing of certain civilians.
I don’t know, do you have any evidence of numbers to support your statement ? Or are you just playing Schrödingers theory with protestors?

As in a prior post two people wearing pro Hamas and a small geoup of people with pro Hamas slogans does not render the entire protest pro Hamas the vast majority of 300,000 individuals obeyed the law, and protested peacefully. Something which is their legal right.

Sephiroth 11-11-2023 19:19
Re: Hamas Israel War
 

It's dead simple. No sooner had the 1200 Israelis been brutally murdered, Israel retaliated, then the pro-Hamas protestors were on our streets, covering up their hate with "Free Palestine" banners.

No coincidence, these are pro-Hamas marches.



Dave42 11-11-2023 19:24
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36163862)

It's dead simple. No sooner had the 1200 Israelis been brutally murdered, Israel retaliated, then the pro-Hamas protestors were on our streets, covering up their hate with "Free Palestine" banners.

No coincidence, these are pro-Hamas marches.


so the thousands of Jewish people on march are pro Hamas are there don't say silly things man and we all notice not a single word about the far right causing trouble

far right march coursing trouble all fine peace protest all Hamas supporters right ?

Pierre 11-11-2023 19:29
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Two groups of “far right” protesters in London today.

One of them pro-anti-semitic and pro-Hamas. The other pro- UK

Guess which one is celebrated and which one vilified.

Sephiroth 11-11-2023 19:32
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36163863)
so the thousands of Jewish people on march are pro Hamas are there don't say silly things man and we all notice not a single word about the far right causing trouble

far right march coursing trouble all fine peace protest all Hamas supporters right ?
Nothing to do with my point. The pro-Palestinian marches are pro-Hamas. Blindingly obvious.

Dave42 11-11-2023 19:34
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36163866)
Nothing to do with my point. The pro-Palestinian marches are pro-Hamas. Blindingly obvious.
so i ask again are the thousands of Jewsish people on march pro Hamas

Sephiroth 11-11-2023 19:36
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36163868)
so i ask again are the thousands of Jewsish people on march pro Hamas
You're swerving and entirely beside the point as well has beyond stupid.

mrmistoffelees 11-11-2023 20:10
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36163864)
Two groups of “far right” protesters in London today.

One of them pro-anti-semitic and pro-Hamas. The other pro- UK

Guess which one is celebrated and which one vilified.

I’m sure you,sephi & nomadking are either

A. The same person
B. All in a group together & Having a massive laugh at everyone’s expense.

The three of you are just too much :D :D

Pierre 11-11-2023 20:34
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36163875)
I’m sure you,sephi & nomadking are either

A. The same person
B. All in a group together & Having a massive laugh at everyone’s expense.

The three of you are just too much :D :D
Just see things as they really are.

Damien 11-11-2023 20:45
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36163852)
Say it then ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36163864)
Two groups of “far right” protesters in London today.

One of them pro-anti-semitic and pro-Hamas. The other pro- UK

Guess which one is celebrated and which one vilified.
The ones that committed the most violence and caused trouble near the cenotaph on armistice day?

Pierre 11-11-2023 21:19
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Woman on Anti-Semitic/ pro-Hamas rally, walks with swastika in Star of David, with impunity because she won’t be questioned or confronted. Because it’s acceptable, because it’s what they all think.

Douglas Murray explains it perfectly here

https://twitter.com/GSpellchecker/st...559421/video/1

Hugh 11-11-2023 21:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36163875)
I’m sure you,sephi & nomadking are either

A. The same person
B. All in a group together & Having a massive laugh at everyone’s expense.

The three of you are just too much :D :D
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/b...-a4154531.html

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1699737576

Sephiroth 11-11-2023 21:21
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
They all think like that (pro-Palestinian protesters).

Hugh 11-11-2023 21:23
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36163881)
Woman on Anti-Semitic/ pro-Hamas rally, walks with swastika in Star of David, with impunity because she won’t be questioned or confronted. Because it’s acceptable, because it’s what they all think.

Douglas Murray explains it perfectly here

https://twitter.com/GSpellchecker/st...559421/video/1
Erm, that’s the symbol for Raelism, a made up French UFO religion - so she is malevolent and dumb…

Is that Douglas Murray, who thought the Nazis were sad about killing Jews?

https://www.thejc.com/lets-talk/all/...oJPNm2duxrcfsG

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Average members of the SS and other killing units of Hitler’s were rarely proud of their average days’ work. Very few felt that shooting Jews in the back of the head all day and kicking their bodies into pits was where their own lives had meant to end up.

Many spent their evenings getting blind drunk to try to forget. Nazi commanders had to worry about staff “morale”. When the war ended, the Nazis tried to pretend that Treblinka and other death camps never existed.

Mr K 11-11-2023 21:29
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36163883)
They all think like that (pro-Palestinian protesters).
How do you know what 300,000 people think like?

At least they can do thinking unlike the right wing Tommy knuckle dragging mob. Links with the Nazis aren't far off. I sense incredible disappointment from them today they weren't able to provoke anything from the peaceful march.. He and Suella are losing their touch.

Pierre 11-11-2023 21:55
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36163885)
Erm, that’s the symbol for Raelism, a made up French UFO religion - so she is malevolent and dumb…
What it is supposed to be is irrelevant. The Swastika itself is a Hindu symbol of good luck and prosperity.

It is being used to portray a Nazi sign on the Israeli national symbol, like putting a swastika on the Union Flag. My point is she can do this without question, people on the march around her won’t pull her up over it, they’ll celebrate it and maybe get their own flags and banners with it on. Anti-Semitic / pro- Hamas……for all to see.

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Is that Douglas Murray, who thought the Nazis were sad about killing Jews?

https://www.thejc.com/lets-talk/all/...oJPNm2duxrcfsG
The point he is making, and you’re pretty pathetic here Hugh….well a lot pathetic, you’re an intelligent man, if you read the piece you’d know what he was saying.

His point is that many German soldiers were ashamed about what they did, they took no pleasure in it. (I don’t know how true that is but apart from the most fanatical SS, I can believe it)

Whereas, HAMAS revelled in their killings. Celebrated them.

That’s all, what do you find contrary about what he said?

Pierre 11-11-2023 23:06
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Somebody needs to go get their dad, before he looks even more stupid.

Hugh 12-11-2023 00:29
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36163887)
What it is supposed to be is irrelevant. The Swastika itself is a Hindu symbol of good luck and prosperity.

It is being used to portray a Nazi sign on the Israeli national symbol, like putting a swastika on the Union Flag. My point is she can do this without question, people on the march around her won’t pull her up over it, they’ll celebrate it and maybe get their own flags and banners with it on. Anti-Semitic / pro- Hamas……for all to see.



The point he is making, and you’re pretty pathetic here Hugh….well a lot pathetic, you’re an intelligent man, if you read the piece you’d know what he was saying.

His point is that many German soldiers were ashamed about what they did, they took no pleasure in it. (I don’t know how true that is but apart from the most fanatical SS, I can believe it)

Whereas, HAMAS revelled in their killings. Celebrated them.

That’s all, what do you find contrary about what he said?
It’s strange that you believe that one woman with a disgusting sign represents all 300,000 marchers, but not that a bunch of evil Nazis represent all the "non-fanatical"* SS soldiers who killed the Jews…

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Woman on Anti-Semitic/ pro-Hamas rally, walks with swastika in Star of David, with impunity because she won’t be questioned or confronted. Because it’s acceptable, because it’s what they all think.
Ashamed?

https://aeon.co/ideas/drunk-on-genoc...murdering-jews

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I was noon in early 1942 as Johann Grüner approached the ‘German House’ in the Polish town of Nowy Targ for lunch. As a mid-level Nazi bureaucrat in occupied Poland, he enjoyed the privileges of power and the opportunity for career advancement that came with duty in the East. The German House, a mix of cultural centre, restaurant and pub, was one of the privileges enjoyed by the occupiers. As he entered the building, he could hear a boisterous celebration within. At the front door, a clearly inebriated Gestapo official passed by, a beer coaster with the number 1,000 written in red pinned to his blouse. Addressing Grüner, the policeman drunkenly bragged: ‘Man, today I am celebrating my 1,000th execution!’

At first glance, the incident at the German House might appear to be a grotesque aberration involving a single depraved Nazi killer. However, such ‘celebrations’ were widespread in the occupied Eastern territories as members of the notorious Schutzstaffel (SS) and the German police routinely engaged in celebratory rituals after mass killings. In fact, among the perpetrators of genocide, heavy drinking was common at the killing sites, in pubs and on bases throughout Poland and the Soviet Union. In another horrific example, a group of policemen charged with the cremation of some 800 Jewish corpses used the occasion to tap a keg. In this case, one of the men, named Müller, had the ‘honour’ of setting fire to ‘his Jews’ as he and his colleagues sat around the fire drinking beer. In a similar case, a Jewish woman recalled the aftermath of a killing operation at Przemyśl in Poland: ‘I smelled the odour of burning bodies and saw a group of Gestapo men who sat by the fire, singing and drinking.’ For these Gestapo men, ‘victory celebrations’ proved to be the order of the day, and followed every killing action or ‘liberation from the Jews’.
https://www.historyextra.com/period/...ify-holocaust/

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You have met a number of perpetrators of the Holocaust in your career. How was it that they could commit such terrible acts, even murdering babies and children?

A good example of this for me was [former SS member] Oskar Groening who we interviewed for our Auschwitz series. We asked him how the Nazis could murder children and he said that the enemy wasn’t the children but the blood in the children that would grow up to be a Jew. The reason they felt justified in their acts – and Himmler explicitly said this in a speech in 1943 – was that if you just killed the adults, the children would grow up to be avengers and they would come after your own children. So if you really loved your children then you should kill their children. If you were brave enough, you would have solved the problem for all time. That was the kind of stuff that was going on in their heads, I think.

So even after the Holocaust was over, some of those involved still felt they could justify it morally?

Yes, and this is one of the reasons I’ve carried on with this subject for 25 years. You dig and dig and dig and you can’t get to the bottom of it, because often you don’t expect the responses you get. If you talk, for example, to former members of the NKVD (Stalin’s secret police), who were involved in the horrendous deportations of Kalmyks or Chechens or Crimean Tatars, in the most part what they’ll say is: “If I didn’t do it I would have been shot.” And it’s very hard to go somewhere in an interview after that. But what was extraordinary about all these former Nazis is that I don’t think we ever heard that answer in all the years we were doing this. What we tended to hear was at the time they felt it was the right thing to do.
May I suggest if your proposition includes defending Nazis who might have not been happy carrying out genocide, you may wish to rethink your position…


*were there "less fanatical" SS, as opposed to the "most fanatical" SS?

Ms NTL 12-11-2023 07:26
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
https://www.facebook.com/reel/987340...ibextid=kcDB8O

Proud to be a Londoner! Thanks guys from the rest of the UK for coming here!

Pierre 12-11-2023 08:48
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36163900)
It’s strange that you believe that one woman with a disgusting sign represents all 300,000 marchers, but not that a bunch of evil Nazis represent all the "non-fanatical"* SS soldiers who killed the Jews…



Ashamed?

https://aeon.co/ideas/drunk-on-genoc...murdering-jews



https://www.historyextra.com/period/...ify-holocaust/



May I suggest if your proposition includes defending Nazis who might have not been happy carrying out genocide, you may wish to rethink your position…


*were there "less fanatical" SS, as opposed to the "most fanatical" SS?
So Douglas Murray is wrong then, take it up with him.

Sephiroth 12-11-2023 09:31
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36163903)
https://www.facebook.com/reel/987340...ibextid=kcDB8O

Proud to be a Londoner! Thanks guys from the rest of the UK for coming here!
God help us.

Ms NTL 12-11-2023 14:17
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36163905)
God help us.
Which one? :)

Sephiroth 12-11-2023 15:30
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36163912)
Which one? :)
Good one. Shall we say the one that understands my point?

jfman 12-11-2023 15:47
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36163917)
Good one. Shall we say the one that understands my point?
Koalemos?

Ms NTL 12-11-2023 15:59
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36163917)
Good one. Shall we say the one that understands my point?
Excellent response!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36163918)
Koalemos?
Very impressed mate! Outstanding.

Paul 12-11-2023 18:20
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
What were they [supposedly] protesting about exactly ?
Also, what do they think the protest will actually achieve ?

Chris 12-11-2023 20:03
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36163924)
What were they [supposedly] protesting about exactly ?
Also, what do they think the protest will actually achieve ?
Israel has diplomatic cover from the United States, which despite its military and economic power is unable to operate entirely alone. Protests in European capitals pressurise European governments to moderate their support, which ultimately makes it more difficult for the USA to continue to support Israel. That’s the theory anyway, though any effects would be subtle and slow-acting.

But even if it had no perceivable diplomatic effect at all, what’s wrong with taking a moral stand? 300,000 people taking an active stand on an issue is surely healthy for a democracy.

Pierre 12-11-2023 20:11
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36163932)
300,000 people taking an active stand on an issue is surely healthy for a democracy.
It is, but if a very large % of those people are actually advocating for the eradication of a state and a people…..that’s when it becomes an issue.

1andrew1 12-11-2023 20:40
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36163933)
It is, but if a very large % of those people are actually advocating for the eradication of a state and a people…..that’s when it becomes an issue.
Fortunately that's not the case with those marching for a ceasefire. May well be the case for those hard right people trying to reach the Cenotaph.

jfman 12-11-2023 20:49
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36163932)
Israel has diplomatic cover from the United States, which despite its military and economic power is unable to operate entirely alone. Protests in European capitals pressurise European governments to moderate their support, which ultimately makes it more difficult for the USA to continue to support Israel. That’s the theory anyway, though any effects would be subtle and slow-acting.

But even if it had no perceivable diplomatic effect at all, what’s wrong with taking a moral stand? 300,000 people taking an active stand on an issue is surely healthy for a democracy.
Very well put.

1andrew1 12-11-2023 21:00
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36163918)
Koalemos?
:D :D:D

Confess I had to Google that particular god!

Pierre 12-11-2023 22:10
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36163934)
Fortunately that's not the case with those marching for a ceasefire. May well be the case for those hard right people trying to reach the Cenotaph.
Well then, All the protests were “hard right” if you like to phrase it that way.

Unless you think calling for the eradication of Jews is somehow Leftist progessionisn.

Pierre 12-11-2023 22:14
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
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Take a step back and look at we’re talking about.

1andrew1 12-11-2023 22:44
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36163940)
Well then, All the protests were “hard right” if you like to phrase it that way.

Unless you think calling for the eradication of Jews is somehow Leftist progessionisn.
Those calling for the eradication of any race tend to be a tiny minority of extremists. Doubtless a few in the ceasefire march but just that - a tiny minority.

Hugh 12-11-2023 23:06
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36163941)
Take a step back and look at we’re talking about.
You appear to be confusing Arabs and Palestinians - there are 465 million Arabs, and 5 million Palestinians

All Palestinians are Arabs - a small percentage of Arabs (slightly over 1%) are Palestinians…

Pierre 12-11-2023 23:35
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36163945)
You appear to be confusing Arabs and Palestinians - there are 465 million Arabs, and 5 million Palestinians

All Palestinians are Arabs - a small percentage of Arabs (slightly over 1%) are Palestinians…
And?

I’m loving watching the bullshit gymnastics on display.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36163943)
Those calling for the eradication of any race tend to be a tiny minority of extremists. Doubtless a few in the ceasefire march but just that - a tiny minority.
Hmmmn. Yes. It’s a minority.

I can’t count them all, but out of 300,000 marching and I would conservatively say that at any time 80% would be chanting “from the river to the sea”.

So as least there were 240,000 anti-Semitic/ pro Hamas there.

Not a “few”

1andrew1 12-11-2023 23:52
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36163947)
And?

I’m loving watching the bullshit gymnastics on display.

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Hmmmn. Yes. It’s a minority.

I can’t count them all, but out of 300,000 marching and I would conservatively say that at any time 80% would be chanting “from the river to the sea”.

So as least there were 240,000 anti-Semitic/ pro Hamas there.

Not a “few”
I would say generously 0.5% were chanting that. Reality is likely less, a few hundred.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36163941)
Take a step back and look at we’re talking about.
What's your point, caller?

jfman 13-11-2023 04:19
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36163947)
And?

I’m loving watching the bullshit gymnastics on display.

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Hmmmn. Yes. It’s a minority.

I can’t count them all, but out of 300,000 marching and I would conservatively say that at any time 80% would be chanting “from the river to the sea”.

So as least there were 240,000 anti-Semitic/ pro Hamas there.

Not a “few”
The problem with such a broad definition of anti-Semitism it removes all meaning and devalues actual, genuine, claims of anti-Semitism.

While the sideshow debate of that chant goes on the poisonous, borderline genocidal, rhetoric of some Israeli ministers goes unnoticed and unchallenged here.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-war...d-nuking-gaza/

It’s a bad day when Benjamin Netanyahu has to tell you to tone it down.

Pierre 13-11-2023 07:44
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36163949)
I would say generously 0.5% were chanting that. Reality is likely less, a few hundred.
I can’t respond to that in any serious way.

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What's your point, caller?
It’s self evident

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36163958)
The problem with such a broad definition of anti-Semitism it removes all meaning and devalues actual, genuine, claims of anti-Semitism.
.
The problem is very large groups of people shouting anti-Semitic chants is perfectly acceptable nowadays.

There’s no difference between those marching chanting, to people walking with white hoods in 60’s america.

jfman 13-11-2023 08:09
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36163959)
I can’t respond to that in any serious way.



It’s self evident

The problem is very large groups of people shouting anti-Semitic chants is perfectly acceptable nowadays.

There’s no difference between those marching chanting, to people walking with white hoods in 60’s america.
I’d imagine 10,000 dead Palestinians would say otherwise had their voices not been wiped from the face of the earth.

If your own prejudices prevent you from perceiving the difference then that’s up to you.

Hugh 13-11-2023 09:00
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36163947)
And?

I’m loving watching the bullshit gymnastics on display.

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Hmmmn. Yes. It’s a minority.

I can’t count them all, but out of 300,000 marching and I would conservatively say that at any time 80% would be chanting “from the river to the sea”.

So as least there were 240,000 anti-Semitic/ pro Hamas there.

Not a “few”
Yes, it’s called a mirror…

Most of Hamas support comes from Iran, a non-Arab country.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/w...-war-rbf38qng6

Sephiroth 13-11-2023 09:11
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36163965)
Yes, it’s called a mirror…

Most of Hamas support comes from Iran, a non-Arab country.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/w...-war-rbf38qng6
Plus 300,00 London Marchers.

Dave42 13-11-2023 09:22
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36163973)
Plus 300,00 London Marchers.
utter nonsense as you well know

tweetiepooh 13-11-2023 09:42
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
I'm sure there were many pro-Hammas in the 300,000 they just didn't stick targets on themselves for the police to pick up but quietly pushed propaganda and agendas among those gathered. It was good to see the march go off so peacefully but a shame that it was organised on the date that it was. I should add that you can be pro-Palestinian without being anti-Israel, just as you can support Israel without hostility to the Palestinians.



I'm also certain that the counter-protesters where for the main not anti-Palestinian (well not in the sense of anti-Palestinian in this particular conflict) and definitely not pro-Israel.

Hugh 13-11-2023 10:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36163973)
Plus 300,00 London Marchers.
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2023/11/2.gif

Chris 13-11-2023 11:17
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36163973)
Plus 300,00 London Marchers.
Support in this country for a viable Palestinian state predates Hamas by decades, as I’m sure you’re well aware.

Hugh 13-11-2023 11:21
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36163999)
Support in this country for a viable Palestinian state predates Hamas by decades, as I’m sure you’re well aware.
But, but, but….

MUSLIMS!!!!!!!!!

jfman 13-11-2023 13:53
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...za-prison-camp

Strong words from our new foreign secretary. Will he revert to being a bought and paid for shill for Zionism like the rest of the Government?

Paul 13-11-2023 16:59
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36164029)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...za-prison-camp

Strong words from our new foreign secretary. Will he revert to being a bought and paid for shill for Zionism like the rest of the Government?
Ummm.
Quote:
This article is more than 13 years old

jfman 13-11-2023 17:09
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
I don't think Gaza is any better off today than 13 years ago in fairness.

Pierre 13-11-2023 18:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36164064)
I don't think Gaza is any better off today than 13 years ago in fairness.
It could have been, prime Mediterranean real estate, £ millions of aid going in every year.

Could have been the regions Dubai or Doha

jfman 13-11-2023 18:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36164072)
It could have been, prime Mediterranean real estate, £ millions of aid going in every year.

Could have been the regions Dubai or Doha
If Israel hadn't funnelled money in to prop up Hamas and weaken Abbas there would have been at least a chance.

ianch99 13-11-2023 19:25
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36164029)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...za-prison-camp

Strong words from our new foreign secretary. Will he revert to being a bought and paid for shill for Zionism like the rest of the Government?
To be fair, the term Zionism is quite nuanced: in its generic form, it is clearly a laudable goal in that it forms half of the two state solution.

It is the sinister Ultra-Zionist form that is the threat to peace in the region, along with Hamas/Iran/etc. The desire and attempts to reclaim "Greater Israel" for the Jews is one of the drivers for the ongoing conflict esp. the illegal colonisation of the West Bank.

Don't forget, the ruling party, Likud, has as part of its charter:

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...he-likud-party

Quote:
The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.

Sephiroth 13-11-2023 19:53
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36164029)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...za-prison-camp

Strong words from our new foreign secretary. Will he revert to being a bought and paid for shill for Zionism like the rest of the Government?
@jfman Who are the Zionists in the UK?

1andrew1 13-11-2023 20:12
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36164086)
Who are the Zionists in the UK?
Those who endorsed the politician who condemned citizens of nowhere?

ianch99 13-11-2023 23:24
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36164086)
@jfman Who are the Zionists in the UK?
Meaningless question

Ms NTL 14-11-2023 03:05
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36164086)
@jfman Who are the Zionists in the UK?
https://zionist.org.uk/

no?

Hugh 14-11-2023 09:04
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36164107)
I think some people think there are Zionists and "Zionists"…

Hugh 14-11-2023 17:24
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
https://wapo.st/4785IX9

Quote:
Israel and Hamas are close to a hostage deal that would free most of the Israeli women and children who were kidnapped Oct. 7, according to a high-ranking Israeli official. The agreement could be announced within days if final details are resolved, he said.

“The general outline of the deal is understood,” the Israeli official explained in an interview Monday, requesting anonymity to discuss the sensitive subject.

The tentative agreement calls for Israeli women and children to be released in groups, simultaneously with Palestinian women and young people held in Israeli prisons.

Israel wants the release of all 100 women and children taken from Israel, but the initial number is likely to be smaller. Hamas has indicated it is ready to release 70 women and children, according to a statement by one of its officials on the group’s Telegram channel cited by Reuters on Monday. The number of Palestinian women and young people who might be released is unclear, but an Arab official told me last week that there were at least 120 in prison.

A temporary cease-fire of perhaps five days would accompany the exchange of hostages and prisoners, the Israeli official said. This truce would allow safe travel for the Israeli captives. It could also permit more international assistance to Palestinian civilians in Gaza and should ease the humanitarian crisis there, the Israeli official explained.

TheDaddy 14-11-2023 17:38
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Why is there 120 women and young people being held in Israeli prisons, what crimes did they commit other than being Palestinian?

jfman 14-11-2023 18:02
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36164163)
Why is there 120 women and young people being held in Israeli prisons, what crimes did they commit other than being Palestinian?
Loosely related to someone that might have voted for Hamas in 2006 (but probably voted for someone else).

TheDaddy 14-11-2023 18:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36164166)
Loosely related to someone that might have voted for Hamas in 2006 (but probably voted for someone else).
I see, in that case they just have to suck it up then

ianch99 14-11-2023 22:17
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36164163)
Why is there 120 women and young people being held in Israeli prisons, what crimes did they commit other than being Palestinian?
Living in an apartheid state?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36164170)
I see, in that case they just have to suck it up then
I've heard that phrase somewhere before ...

Sephiroth 14-11-2023 22:22
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36164163)
Why is there 120 women and young people being held in Israeli prisons, what crimes did they commit other than being Palestinian?
How do you expect anyone on this forum to know? From your phrasing, it looks like you've pre-judged the matter. Bias?

TheDaddy 14-11-2023 23:08
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36164197)
How do you expect anyone on this forum to know? From your phrasing, it looks like you've pre-judged the matter. Bias?
There's a lot of people on this forum that seem to know what they're talking about so I thought it safe to assume they knew about the 2 Palestinian women held under administrative orders which basically means indefinite detention without charge or the 14 year old girl arrested on the way home from school for the crime of flying a Palestinian flag or the physical and psychological torture these women are put through including isolation, sleep deprivation, threats, extortion and severe beatings, the families of these women are also threatened with arrest too. Why don't you educate yourself with these womens stories through The Palestinian Prisoners club then you'd know or let me guess they're making it up or you know Israel has to right to defend itself against school girls with flags

Sephiroth 15-11-2023 06:42
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
It was the same in Northern Ireland, where flying a flag likely to cause public disorder was an arrestable offence. I see a clear parallel with the case you have cited.

Paddy1 15-11-2023 07:08
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36164215)
It was the same in Northern Ireland, where flying a flag likely to cause public disorder was an arrestable offence. I see a clear parallel with the case you have cited.

Cos that turned out well

Sephiroth 15-11-2023 07:11
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy1 (Post 36164216)
Cos that turned out well
... because we were dealing with a different culture from what Israel is facing.

1andrew1 15-11-2023 07:29
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36164215)
It was the same in Northern Ireland, where flying a flag likely to cause public disorder was an arrestable offence. I see a clear parallel with the case you have cited.
This is 2023 and children are not arrested for it nor were they ever arrested for it, in Northern Ireland.

heero_yuy 15-11-2023 08:14
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36164194)

I've heard that phrase somewhere before ...
RAF: When you pull a high G maneuver and it makes you vomit, you can't take off your helmet so you have to....

Pierre 15-11-2023 09:24
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36164201)
14 year old girl arrested on the way home from school for the crime of flying a Palestinian flags
I wonder what would happen to a 14yr old Israeli girl flying an Israeli flag in downtown Gaza?

tweetiepooh 15-11-2023 09:29
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36164163)
Why is there 120 women and young people being held in Israeli prisons, what crimes did they commit other than being Palestinian?
So women and young people can't commit crime (and not just "crime")?

1andrew1 15-11-2023 09:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36164227)
I wonder what would happen to a 14yr old Israeli girl flying an Israeli flag in downtown Gaza?
Bombed?

jfman 15-11-2023 10:30
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36164230)
Bombed?
Her own fault for standing above a Hamas tunnel.

We should really get Hamas over to get to work on HS2 their subterranean infrastructure capabilities are clearly above what we have.

ianch99 15-11-2023 10:47
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36164229)
So women and young people can't commit crime (and not just "crime")?
As suggested, you could educate yourself on why these individuals are incarcerated rather than make some generic comment that does not help anyone?

Pierre 15-11-2023 10:49
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36164230)
Bombed?
She would certainly be dead, by one way or another.

ianch99 15-11-2023 11:03
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36164232)
Her own fault for standing above a Hamas tunnel.

We should really get Hamas over to get to work on HS2 their subterranean infrastructure capabilities are clearly above what we have.
Her fault for basically standing anywhere in Gaza city. Guilty by Location ...

jfman 15-11-2023 11:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36164236)
She would certainly be dead, by one way or another.
What’s the difference between a state run by terrorists and a terrorist state?

Not much evidently.

Pierre 15-11-2023 12:52
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36164241)
Her fault for basically standing anywhere in Gaza city. Guilty by Location ...
Same goes for Palestinian girls then?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36164243)
What’s the difference between a state run by terrorists and a terrorist state?

Not much evidently.
I know which one I'd prefer to live in.

ianch99 15-11-2023 13:29
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36164243)
What’s the difference between a state run by terrorists and a terrorist state?

Not much evidently.
Agreed. Both claim the land from the River to the Sea and both want the other population gone.

Both need to go. Likud and Hamas ...

jfman 15-11-2023 14:27
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36164250)
Same goes for Palestinian girls then?

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I know which one I'd prefer to live in.
In fairness Israel aren’t likely to imprison you for your political beliefs. They might even elect you.

Pierre 15-11-2023 14:45
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36164255)

Both need to go. Likud and Hamas ...
We can send the Welsh there, to fill the void.

TheDaddy 15-11-2023 16:09
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36164215)
It was the same in Northern Ireland, where flying a flag likely to cause public disorder was an arrestable offence. I see a clear parallel with the case you have cited.
I'm sure you see a clear parallel between indefinite detention without charge, psychological/ physical torture and collective punishment too

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36164255)

Both need to go. Likud and Hamas ...
:tu: for the good of every one who isn't an extreme mentalist

Sephiroth 15-11-2023 17:27
Re: Hamas Israel War
 

I certainly agree that Likud & Hamas need to go, in the latter case completely offed. The two state solution stands no chance with Likud in power, propped up by the Ayatollah like Ultras.

Ms NTL 15-11-2023 18:38
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36164284)

I certainly agree that Likud & Hamas need to go, in the latter case completely offed. The two state solution stands no chance with Likud in power, propped up by the Ayatollah like Ultras.
Bloody hell, I find myself agreeing with you! And I have not been drinking...:)

Hugh 15-11-2023 19:20
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36164290)
Bloody hell, I find myself agreeing with you! And I have not been drinking...:)
https://media.tenor.com/ZOIGxCErfvIA...its-a-trap.gif

ianch99 15-11-2023 19:21
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36164284)

I certainly agree that Likud & Hamas need to go, in the latter case completely offed. The two state solution stands no chance with Likud in power, propped up by the Ayatollah like Ultras.
So true, well said

Sephiroth 15-11-2023 19:38
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36164290)
Bloody hell, I find myself agreeing with you! And I have not been drinking...:)
Of course. I'm a clear thinker.

Ms NTL 15-11-2023 19:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36164291)
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:D don't worry mate!

Sephiroth 15-11-2023 20:01
Re: Hamas Israel War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36164291)
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Silly Hugh.

Hugh 15-11-2023 21:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36164295)
Silly Hugh.
https://64.media.tumblr.com/ca0df3d5...tw8lo3_400.gif


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