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If other people think that you're obsessive or weird in your thinking, don't you consider that you might be true? I see you didn't answer or quote mrmistoffelees reply. I'd like to understand what you think about his post. My wife goes into town often and she mentions the latest fashion for the younger generation that these days is that they wear next to nothing and this is the younger teens. I find it a bit mad but the last thing I'd be thinking is what peado's will be thinking. So why the obsession? Do you have children? It seems you want to ban everything that goes against your views, so there must be a reason. As for the mobile phones, it's not all down to the dangerous content of the internet, it's the distractions, addictions, and the pressures that come with social media. I don't disagree that mobile phones are a bane nor that social media is a problem for mental health side of things. But we're in a digital age where there's really not a lot you can now do about it. Limit? Yes, ban? No. |
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:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: ---------- Post added at 10:45 ---------- Previous post was at 10:38 ---------- There is no absolute way to protect ANYONE on the internet all of the time.To have such protection then the WWW should NEVER have been set up in the first place. Question! Why was the WWW actually set up?For whose benefit? |
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However, for their own safety, people should try to take steps to keep themselves safe eg on a hot summers night a woman would be ill advised to go for a walk on her own in a secluded spot, but if she did & was subsequently attacked, the attacker is at fault for attacking, not her for wearing a bikini. A lot of people are calling for those under 14 to not have smartphones, so it's interesting (for the reasons that you gave) that these MP's think that it should relate to those under 16. |
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So children over the age of 13 won't be able to use apple pay (etc) or use e-tickets for bus travel if they ban mobile phones.
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Ideally, we wouldn’t live in such a world, but we do. |
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Every day almost everyone engages in risk evaluation/mitigation as part of their own personal responsibility on a whole range of scenarios. Even crossing the road, driving a car., etc. People do these things and get hurt or worse regularly yet we don't set out to ban them. We give people instructions, tools and parameters within which we believe safety increases. Similarly, there's streets/areas I wouldn't go into in daylight. :D |
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This mother is asking for people to sign her petition to require social media companies to pass over information about her 14 yesr old son who committed suicide:
https://news.sky.com/story/mother-of...story-13142846 Closes 30 May. |
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I didn't know you had to be in a 'suicidal mood' to be suicidal. Strange that. |
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Parents need to take responsibility and set the appropriate setting on their kids phones, most have a kids mode function.
You just cant blame facebook etc. But how do I prove I'm over 18, I don't want to give these sites my Credit?debit card info, and what about those who don't have a driving licence or passport? |
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IIRC Sir Tim Bernads-Lee set it up to allow institutions to transfer data, then became open to the world, it's changed a lot from the old BBS. On a side note if Sir Tim charges 10p every time you used the web I read he would have made something like £250,000,000 a day, but he gave it for free |
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The Internet started a bit before the WWW - the WWW evolved from ARPANET.
The phrase "internet" was first used around 1983, and ‘WWW" around 1989. https://www.britannica.com/topic/ARP...packet-of-data |
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Ah right makes sense now, a bit like the 'Archie Battersbee's' case. They blamed it on something like that as well, but after a forensic search of his phone and internet use they didn't find anything at all. Something certainly wasn't right with that case at all. |
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It is certain cases that it does prove that there's more to it than just social media or the internet. But the hype around using this reason does makes it easy to use and blame, but can also hide the real truths. Even so, if a child is looking or searching for self harming content etc. Then there must be some other problems there to begin with. |
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This programme looks at how attempts will be made by the Olympics to tackle online abuse of athletes in both written form, the use of emojies and manipulated images. AI will be used to combat online abuse & online violence by scanning the Internet and getting the posts removed or to take legal action. One in six children are said to have been subject to online bullying:
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https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...l-media-access Just to add to my other post I see that the link also mention the mother of Archie, and states 'possibly'. Also, if they forensically looked into Archies online history (but found nothing), why can't they look into Jools Sweeney's online history too? |
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They call it social media, yet 79% of young people describe themselves as lonely:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001zxds From just past halfway through. ---------- Post added at 22:00 ---------- Previous post was at 21:55 ---------- It's not just predators, trolls & bullies that target children. Scammers actively target them too: https://www.itv.com/watch/lorraine/1a9360 The feature is approximately halfway through. ---------- Post added at 22:40 ---------- Previous post was at 22:00 ---------- It's not just predators, trolls & bullies that target children. Scammers actively target them too: https://www.itv.com/watch/lorraine/1a9360 The feature is approximately halfway through. |
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One headmaster in Notting Hill has adopted an idea for keeping pupils in years 7 & 8 off their smartphones. They start school at 7:15am and don't finish until
6:15pm. As well as extra lesson time, they also take part in extra activities like playing football. I imagine that this is also extremely helpful to working parents too. Instead of paying to provide childcare for working parents (which the Government is finding it impossibleto provide), perhaps it would be better to utilise existing schools & put taxpayers money into funding longer schooldays for all children? https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001zxj6 |
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That is an insane length of school day. Kids will be knackered.things like football are already part of regular school time lessons.
Also how does an 11 hour day ensure they stay off their phones? They'll still have access at break and lunch times. |
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I suppose they will have either banned them from bringing smartphones to school or immediately confiscate them and return them at the end of the school fay. |
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They say comedy is dead, it's not it has just been renamed as the "Online Safety Bill"
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An Ofcom survey has found that 42 million people have received a communication trying to scam them out of money and that 25% of these resulted in people losing money as a result.
For details on how to protect yourself and how the Online Safety Act may be able to help: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001zy6v |
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Seriously, most of the 'Online Safety Act' could or should be the responsibility of parents, school and the person. Education should be top priority (regardless of age) and not just push blame on to others such as social media etc. Give your bank details over the phone, then expect to get scammed. Send a dick pic expect it to be shared. Watch porn online then expect your child (or even adults) to have a warped view of what is acceptable or what is normal (what is normal)?. All could be avoided with the right information and proper education. Pushing the blame elsewhere isn't right which is all what this act does. The problem is now young adults / parents are affected just as much as children. But they are the ones that will set the example. It's not just children that now need protecting or to be educated. |
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A voluntary code of practice by website owners to protect vulnerable people was mostly ignored by them, so the law has had to step in to require them to protect our most vulnerable instead of them just concentrating on how much money they can make. Your last paragraph and comment about education are both excellent points. ---------- Post added at 23:46 ---------- Previous post was at 23:22 ---------- A group of schools in Southwark are to introduce a collective principal regarding smartphones from September. This is based on a programme of education rather than an outright ban. Phones are sometimes permitted, for example for disabled children, but if anyone is found to be using one for no good reason it will be confiscated. One child who needed access to the internet due to health concerns started using a smartwstch. To get the phone back a parent will have to come and collect it so that a dialogue can be opened. Parents can then be informed about it causing any interruption to learning and a discussion can be had as to whether the child actually needs the smartphone, whether it should be returned to them or of a basic non smartphone would be more appropriate. They did this after concerns about childrens health from using smartphones particularly in respect of social media. Concerns included mental health issues, body image problems, cyber bullying, grooming, access to and viewing of innapropriate content, problems with the attention span of young people and the fact that social media is purposely engineered & designed to cause repeated engagement. The smartphones themselves as a device have been known to give rise to criminal activity. They feel that the best way to stop young people from using social media is for staff & pupils to collaborate to enable them to make the choice not to engage with it until they are older. It's not going to be an outright ban, though obviously pupils won't be able to start surfing the Internet during lessons. An interview with one of the heads of one of the participating schools can be heard from about 0:15: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001zw50 |
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Just because a small number cant cope, doesnt mean the rest should stop. Some children cant behave properly in a resaurant, it doesnt mean all children should be banned from them. |
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They should not ignore it,its very real and scary!!
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Incidents range from mental health problems to children being bullied/harrassed/trolled to the point of suicide. I'm surprised that you need evidence given your involvement with catching paedophiles/hebephiles who operate primarily from online contact to the child's smartphone. ---------- Post added at 19:36 ---------- Previous post was at 19:27 ---------- Quote:
Evidence has been provided from allsorts of adults & children. I'm not aware of any Government involvement apart from the introduction of the Online Safety Act, the establishment of Ofcom as the regulator and statements from individual or groups of MP's. |
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Does your group do things differently? |
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That’s about 20% of what hunting teams do
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Way off topic too. |
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Asking what methods hunting groups use *is* off topic. And not something I’m going to discuss in public. If as you claim you speak to hunter teams and they choose to tell you their methods then I’d describe them as unprofessional at best, and dangerous at worst.
Your reasons for wanting to know how we work are of course your own. |
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I'd like to draw the attention of those who have children with a smartphone, particularly boys, to an activity labelled sextortion which has resulted in suicides.This is a type of blackmail where threats are made to share intimate pictures of them unless they meet their demands for either money or more pictures. The usual platforms are Instagram or Snapchat and predominantly come from Nigeria. Manuals & scripts are being shared throughout Nigeria telling people how to carry out these crimes.
Whilst it's difficult to obtain accurate figures, because there's a massive amount of underreporting due to embarrassment and shame, the US had 27,000 cases last year, resulting in 27 deaths. One young man, Jordan, ended his own life just 6 hours after being targeted. He sent them some money, but they said it wasn't enough. After having no more money to send, he then pleaded with them not to share the pictures or he would probably kill himself. The response was to say good,do it now or we'll force you to do it and, tragically, he did. The advice to children is to never accept friend requests from someone you don't know, never let people take you off platform, don't pay them any money, block them and inform your parents or a trusted adult, however difficult this might be. The BBC's Cyber Correspondent, Joe Tidy, says that Teachers have been alerted and asked to warn pupils about this. Regularly checking children's devices is often the best way to keep children safe From about 0:35: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001zvvt |
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Just look at the stories from Dan Lobb and Joel Dommett. Moral of the story is.... Never ever send a dick pic.
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---------- Post added at 16:27 ---------- Previous post was at 15:44 ---------- Teachers say that innapropriate content and too much screen time on mobile phones is damaging the communication skills and mental health of children. If you wish to you can gain some insight into how teachers are using lessons to teach children how to remain safe here in the first report of this news bulletin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00205ks |
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Fleetwood Enforcers have provided a free & anonymous number for anyone to call who is having innapropriate sexual thoughts about people under 16 or is speaking sexually to them. For help please call:
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How is that in any way related to the actual topic under discussion. Very weird :erm: |
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How about getting back to the topic, I fail to see how that post is usedful to anyone on this forum. |
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We all have a duty/responsibility to protect children from harm and prevention is better than cure, so i'm really pleased that Fleetwood Enforcers are publicising Stop It Now. I wouldn't say i'm obsessed with the subject, though it is fair to say that it's a subject close to my heart for reasons i'd rather not go into. ---------- Post added at 02:02 ---------- Previous post was at 01:59 ---------- Quote:
I think that the 'anonymous' promise is in relation to the information they give to the call handler. ---------- Post added at 02:48 ---------- Previous post was at 02:02 ---------- This is just starting. I'm afraid I'll have to listen to it tomorrow as i'm really tired, but it looks like Ireland is also becoming concerned about young people & their smartphone use. Quote:
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This excellent series that looks at all matters concerning the mind today looked at the impact of internet addiction on teenage brains.
From about halfway through: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002020d |
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The problem is that the people drafting and voting on this legislation are still thinking that they are dealing with the content of the top shelf at the local newsagents. :rolleyes:
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The situation with excessive use of smartphones also affects children in different ways according to one headmaster who wants to parents to stop using them at the school gates.
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Yeah that ain't gonna happen. Can't tell grown adults what to do at the school gets.
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None of this has anything to do with the "Online Safety Bill". Get back to the topic.
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TBH I think it up to parent to oversee what their kids get up to online.
There are loads of free apps/programs and support out there, many don't set up kids mode which controls what they can do. My Sister kids had rules they had to follow and everyday she would ask them for their phone and she would check it. One day her she couldn't get in to the phone as the password wasn;t recognised, but her daughter said that she changed it as she thought someone saw it and told her what it was, and this was accepted. At the end of the day parents pay for it so they can take it away. Even my router allows me to turn of the internet by device/or times. Perhaps companies should make it simpler for parents. |
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---------- Post added at 11:46 ---------- Previous post was at 11:40 ---------- Following racist comments last time, as per the FA CEO, Mark Bullingham has said that the Football Association is to provide the funding to aid in the prosecution of individuals who abuse England’s players on social media. It's good to see organisations being more proactive against trolls. |
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Same as if someone put a poster in their window saying that the local doctor was crap/rubbish at being a doctor. To be completely safe, i'd remember the old saying 'If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all'. |
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Kruger Dunning again.
Simply adding “in my opinion” is no assurance of any protection in such Law. |
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The honest opinion defence fails if you can’t prove that it is your genuine, honest opinion, reasonably held (and that means the contentious opinion, when it was published, must have indicated some reasons why that opinion is held), or if you can’t point to facts that back that opinion up. It’s designed to protect newspaper op-ed writers, not internet trolls. That said, as a footballer you’re never going to win a libel action against a fan who accuses you of being a donkey on an internet forum because libel has to damage a reputation. That sort of barracking is so commonplace in football fandom that nobody could claim that any one instance of it it made any difference to a footballer’s reputation. |
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I suppose it would be difficult for either party to prove one way or the other whether an individual is a bad footballer or not, I mean how could it be measured? Number of goals scored? Number of red cards? The list is endless! |
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Fun fact that was brought to my attention today. Disputes used to be resolved by 'Trial By Combat' and it was believed that, if God was with the defendent, he would win.
It was then decided to use the judicial system to decide such matters, but Parliament forgot to repeal the earlier law! Therefore, in 1819 a man demanded the right to have his innocence or guilt decided by Trial By Combat. Because nobody was willing to fight him, he won his case! |
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What on earth has that got to do with anything?
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The first feature in this programme looks at the research being done to monitor the brains of teenagers with internet addiction:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct5t8n These studies show that the brains of teenagers are different to teenagers who have a healthy use of the internet. This programme looks at a group of 5 teenagers who agreed to give up their smartphones for five schooldays. There were some surprising results: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00209dl |
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Again what does that have to do with the actual title and topic of the thread?
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Writing in the New York Times, Surgeon General Vivek Murthy said social media increased the risk that children would experience symptoms of anxiety and depression. He wants people who visit these platforms to be shown a message warning that they are "associated with significant mental health harms for adolescents".
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But that is not related to an online safety bill?
Excessive use is totally different. |
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