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I think Trump has had a positive influence on encouraging Nato countries to increase their expenditure. However, there were plenty of wars taking place when he was in power. eg in 2020, 19,000 were killed in the war in Yemeni and another 19,000 in the war in Afghanistan.

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Trump's statements on NATO and who pays what are very silly, when each country spends an amount using an agreed cost share formula derived from the Gross National Income of member countries. So of course the US will pay more than the UK etc.

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Unusually, he has a point as not all NATO countries are spending the 2% of GDP they have agreed to. These figures come from the 2023 Nato annual report.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-b1150530.html

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Speaking of which, a verdict has literally been reach less than 5 mins ago

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Yeah, and it’s all a crooked Dem establishment stitch up because oh hang on …

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But, but, but - Second Amendment rights!

If they can convict Hunter Biden of lying on a gun application form, they can do it to anyone else who does the same thing!

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What is the problem with that

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Just like to point out the cable forum had that news before any news organisation or network, okay it was only minutes before but it was still before :)

Exactly ;)

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I'm assuming it's inconvenient to some as it dispels the whacky conspiracy theory that the criminal justice system in the US has been corrupted by the Democrats.

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Just loving the Republicans enforcing gun laws angle here ;)

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Well isn't he chummy with Putin?


If that's the case He'll pull the US and it's equipment out of Ukraine, thus giving Ukraine to Russia.


But unfortunately neither is fit enough to have the TV remote let along the "Glow in the dark button"

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Good point! :D

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https://x.com/bidenhq/status/1802122...56-Kgau3lzowJw

Presumably there was a train of thought somewhere, but it whistled through platform 3 while he was addressing the beautiful pigeons underneath the signal box.

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Whose beautiful head of hair is he on about? It can't be his.

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Tbf he has a point. Showers can be seriously underwhelming. It's a world conspiracy by Big State that needs exposing. Plumbers are communist lizards. Well done Tango man for taking them on.

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Reads like a bad stand-up sketch!

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This is the problem … he thinks he can riff on whatever topic’s on the autocue but the moment he goes off-script it’s a mess. He is in serious mental decline, and there is mounting evidence that his handlers are losing the ability to hide it.

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Make American water pressure great again. He can do it.

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https://apnews.com/article/trump-men...f5ad12ca0bd38a

He meant Ronny Jackson, currently serving as a Texas Congressman (who was demoted by the US Navy in July 2022, following a damaging Pentagon inspector general’s report that substantiated allegations about his inappropriate behaviour as a White House physician).

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It isn’t even hard to spot the lies he’s telling, is it. Whatever he’s accusing his opponents of being/doing, that’s exactly what Trump’s trying to cover up (while getting it hilariously wrong).

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https://apnews.com/article/donald-tr...bf094d703b5f31

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If he's already been convicted, then why would a "gag order" be necessary? The trial is over.

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The trial isn't over till sentence is passed....

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I see we are at the "Trump is an antisemite" phase of stopping him at all costs.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...nazi-oven-joke

Tried and tested by British centrists since 2015.

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Why would making a joke to some of his Jewish executives about one of his German employees "remembering the ovens" be anti-Semitic?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgedpw4r5eo

Dems might need to seriously consider a different nominee

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Or more Trumped up charges.

Edit: having seen some of the footage that wouldn't be enough. It's over.

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If only, but I don't think they're too invested in Biden to do so.

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They’ll have to, two more debates are scheduled. Two more repeats of that and it’s over, it’s already over. Only the most hardcore of hardcore will vote for a man who is evidently incapacitated.

I knew it happen around the debates, they can’t run cover for him when he’s up there by himself

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The “good news” for Trump is that the optics of simultaneously trying to prosecute him for anything and everything while scrambling around for a candidate to beat him are that bad that the Democrats won’t be stupid enough to pursue it. It’s one or the other.

An election where neither candidate won their nomination in the primaries would be the stuff of banana republics.

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Apparently, only Biden himself can decide to stop down. The only people he's likely to listen to on this are his family and not his political advisers.

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The prosecutions are happening anyway. The documents one won't go away unless he wins the Presidency.

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I don't see the prosecution against Trump and a search for a new candidate as being linked in any way. And presumably Harris is a shoe-in unless someone wants to be the one Democrat preventing someone from her demographic progressing to the top.

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Harris is really unpopular.

They need a fresh face. A generic, working class (ish), democrat I think. Someone who is bland that people are happy is good enough so long as they are not Trump. Trump is very unpopular, they just need an excuse not to vote for him.

They need their own Starmer.

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They’re absolutely linked.

Prosecutions along political lines in election year come at political cost. At a point when the Democrats are self evidently at their most desperate the voters will absolutely take notice.

Were one to take a more cynical view the Democrats have committed a large fraud on the voting public by putting forward Biden at all. If he’s incapable of running for the Presidency he’s incapable of occupying the office. He’s squatting in the chair because nobody will pull the trigger on Article 25.

Easy money arguments for the Republican nominee.

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The prosecutions started before the election year…

The Atlanta-based grand jury on August 14, 2023, indicted Trump and 18 others on state charges stemming from their alleged efforts to overturn the former president’s 2020 electoral defeat.

Trump was indicted in March 2023 in the Hush Money case in NY.

Trump was indicted in the Classified Documents case in June 2023.

Trump was arraigned on the Election Interference charges in August 2023.

Each of those cases took months, in some cases years, to investigate and put together, and in two of those cases, the charges were brought about by Grand Juries, so not sure how those could have been political…

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When, and how, the cases started will make the argument made no less compelling to those already susceptible to Trump narratives.

The Hush Money trial barely moved the dial within the margin of error. The former (and in their minds, next) President having classified documents seems easily distracted from by Hillary’s email server. Some of the more lunatic fringe genuinely believe the election was stolen - they’re hardly going to bat an eye at election cases.

The question will inevitably be asked if any of these cases had any credibility at all the evidence was there in 2021 and 2022.

The bad news for the Democrats is they need a new candidate and they have to beat Trump on merit.

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While the corpse of Joe Biden would be a better president than Donald Trump, it is unlikely enough people will see it that way to see him back into the White House.

That said, it’s only over if those with influence over Biden fail to get him to step down. There are many examples of presidential candidates not being chosen until it gets to the party convention floor. They are held only the summer before the election precisely because they expect there to be some competition and debate. So it is by no means a disadvantage to the Dems to pick someone else now.

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Trump was always going to run.

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It's Newsom or bust.

They have to get Biden to step down and Harris to step aside.

Neither actions will look good.

Harris stepping aside being the worst optics, as her appointment as VP being shown to be was it was........a diversity hire. A black women look good on the ticket, but no one would ever have her as a presidential candidate.

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But that’s not what he said…

The prosecutions didn’t start in the Election year.

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It’s irrelevant when they started unless you sincerely believe that nobody anywhere believes they are political.

Whether they are, or are not, doesn’t matter if someone holds that belief the moment they walk into the ballot box. That’s the political cost.

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Make up your mind…

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A prosecution can simultaneously start before an election year and continue into an election year.

I do hope the Democrats on the campaign trail have a slightly better tactic to counter the claim than “actually, we filed the paperwork for these in 2023”.

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Biden is trying to get Kennedy off the ballot, the guy has to go, right now Trump will walk it . If Kennedy is off really expect Trump will get my vote . Which chokes me !!!

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Not sure what your point is?

Are you saying that any investigations/Grand Juries/prosecutions that are underway before an Election Year should be halted when it becomes an Election Year?

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I think my point would be clearer if you simply read it as stated rather than tried to find a “gotcha” moment within it.

I expect some of the more spurious cases to disappear and others to be slow walked or to progress with a significantly lower profile if the Democrats are parachuting in someone to replace Biden. I make no judgement as to what I think “should” happen. As I say, it’s terrible optics. In an election that could be lost on a number of votes in the tens of thousands in key states.

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It’s not a "gotcha" - the investigations/prosecutions/Grand Juries were underway for the last few years, so either you think

a) they shouldn’t have happened at all
b) they should have been halted because it’s an Election Year
c) something else?

btw, which are the "more spurious" cases?

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I don’t need to think a) or b) to think the introduction of a new unforeseen factor (a Democrat not selected in the primary process getting the nomination for a reason other than death) combined with prosecutions that could be perceived to be political (and Trump will be adamant it is the case) are bad optics or that Trump won’t link the two to his electoral advantage.

I’m not going to call out a single case - it’s entirely subjective in any case and not relevant to my overarching point. Trump’s role in each is disputed. Despite all this he’s the Republican nominee and either ahead or within the margin of error in almost every poll.

He may well be guilty of all he accused of and every prosecution led by an honest, impartial public servants. That doesn’t matter if his claims to the contrary resonate more against a Democratic party ever increasingly desperate. If ~50% of the country can be convinced, 52% absolutely can too. The politicisation of the justice system allows him to muddy the waters.

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Because, I Believe, they were ultimately politically motivated.

As I said, Trump was always going to run again. He believed the presidency was stolen from him, and he wants his second term.

I firmly believe that if Trump, after he lost. (and although there were questionable things that went on, he did lose) had said publicly that he had no intention to run again whatsoever……….none of those prosecutions happen.

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Word salad…

If he says often enough that the Justice System is politicised, and repeated ad nauseam by people like you (who wants Trump in to ensure the end of funding for Ukraine), and who can’t/won’t engage in specifics because generalised complaints are much easier to defend/ignore comments on, whereas specifics can be rebutted…

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Two of the cases were results of Grand Juries agreeing there were cases to prosecute….

I actually believe he is running to avoid prosecution, rather than him being prosecuted because he is running…

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That's funny Hugh because every American Presidential election in my lifetime has been fought asking the types of Supreme Court justice that'd be appointed. That abortion rights, segregation, medical care are all up for grabs in a courtroom.

There's no need to be specific because you'd bog down the thread in sentence by sentence excruciating analysis as if that matters to MAGA Republicans. Trump is guilty in your head and I'll never change that (tbh, I've no want or need to).

Ukraine will get let down whoever takes the chair although slower and with a lot better PR than if Trump pulls the plug. I think I've said in this thread it's no skin off my nose if Trump goes to jail and I maintain that view.

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They're not mutually exclusive positions.

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I know you're not an American voter but would you change your mind if people who wanted him to lose, or off the ballot altogether, kept telling you that you are wrong?

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No, because I have my own two eyes and a brain.

I know what I see. If Trump had lost graciously, congratulated Biden, had a big “I’m retiring from politic” party, and rode off to into the sunset.

None of those prosecutions happen.

And if you try and tell me they would, then I’m calling you an idiot to believe it or think I would believe it. ( not you personally obvs)

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This is probably true but it's true of all politicians that reach the highest levels, especially in America. It's probably true of Hunter Biden or Hilary Clinton's e-mails.

A Presidential campaign is a massive x-ray machine. Your opponents investigate every aspect of your life and your history to find something.

They have to find something illegal though. Trump has a much richer history than most politicians given his infamous career. Someone like Obama, who was younger and had a pretty clean career, has very little. The Clinton's on the other hand had constant revelations.

The secret is not being prosecuted for a crime when running for President is not to commit crimes.

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The Supreme Court has just ruled Trump has total immunity for all official acts as President.

https://x.com/mjs_DC/status/1807783706368614780

Biden should go on a crime spree.....

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He probably cant remember what a crime is. :angel:

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He’d get off on both mental capability to face trial AND being President.

So what’s everyone clinging to now, the classified documents?

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Here is the story: https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-sup...se-2024-07-01/

The question is going to be what is an official act? Would Nixon's Watergate tapings be official?

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Biden needs to make a Presidential Executive Order removing any convicted felon from a ballot for a federal office.

It might get over-turned but not before the election… ;)

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That's not even illegal!

Although I imagine the Supreme Court would fast track that one.

(I also suspect the definition of official act to them is 'what trump did' and unofficial act is 'what other presidents did')

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When you think about it there’s nothing really new or unexpected in the ruling. Of course Presidents have immunity as part of their official duties - as head of the armed forces they’re in charge of murderers, rapists and routinely carry out indiscriminate bombing of civilian areas in other countries.

The principle has to be absolute or not at all. You can’t have every ambitious prosecutor out to make a name for themselves targeting a sitting President for obvious slam dunk crimes. America’s role as the global policeman, and perhaps largest criminal enterprise in the world as it seizes the assets it “liberates”, depends upon it.

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Obviously, an official act is anything he’s legally allowed to do. :spin:

If it sounds circular, that’s because it’s meant to be. His place-men on the Supreme Court have one job here, which is to slow down any threat Trump faces until after the election. Any prosecution relating to the day of the insurrection, which occurred while he was still president, will now be mired in appeal after appeal while the question of immunity is resolved.

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Furthermore there’s no way they could rule that presidents are immune entirely. That could come back and bite them on the bum very quickly. Despite giving the appearance of being not the sharpest tool in the box*, Judge Alito isn’t irredeemably thick.

*What, that insurrectionist flag in my yard? Can’t say I noticed, my wife must have done that…

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IMHO the decision of the Supreme court raises more questions that answers.

Looking at Donalds pending court cases, does inciting a riot to attempt to overturn an election become an official act?

Does removing official secrets documents and refusing to return the same become an official act.

I think not on all counts.

Does the President have the authority to order the removal of a security threat to the USA? Would that be a official act?

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If he had, you may have a point.

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The only question it raises is why would the Democrats waste valuable judicial time when the highest court in the land has already made it clear it’s not interested in stealing the 2024 election. Trump’s lawyers will do all they can to ensure none of the ongoing cases see the light of day before the election.

It’s time to stop clutching at straws, bin off Biden to a senior care facility and take the message to the electorate.

Nobody would be questioning any of the judgement made today if the President referred to was anyone other than Trump. Which is a ridiculous, and flawed, way to apply the law. Some of the panty wetting in the media would be funny except these people are completely serious that commonly understood applications of the law, and due process, should be set aside for Trump.

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Bottom line is that they have four months.

If they’re going to replace Biden and have any decent campaign time, it have to be in the next month. gives them Aug, Sep, Oct. But they have to have both people lined up.

Bottom line is they have to pay off Harris, and it’s going to cost them.

If they don’t get Biden off the ticket by August, he’s running.

It’s not like here, in the US you are predominantly voting for the man not the party.

You can’t just drop someone in.

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The only person who can drop Biden is Biden. Sadly, he's not showing any enthusiasm to do so.

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He's not pulling the strings even in his own head. Whether it's his wife, Obama or someone else the lights are on but no-one is home.

When they drop him there's inevitably going to be questions over who is running the country. More importantly: who has been? He's not got into this condition overnight and the Democrats, and allies in the media, are complicit in at best a deceit and at worst a fraud by keeping him in office and stage managing the primaries.

Trump will have a field day on the campaign given the accusations levelled at him.

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They defo need someone before the convention in mid-August. After that Harris is (realistically) the only alternate game in town. Party rules do permit a process to pick someone else if Biden withdraws but it's late in the day to elevate some Governor with limited national profile to the top of the ticket.

Begs the question why Biden picked Harris at all?

I read on City-daya that Mr. Biden was gonna drop off....

If he does,will that make Mr. trump the winner??

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Why don't you stand Dude? You'd be a better President . Free chocolate milk all round :)

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Can Biden be removed from the ticket?
It would be difficult. Biden faced minimal opposition in his party’s primaries and has secured 99% of the pledged delegates to the convention. Those delegates will be chosen in large part for their loyalty to the president. Absent extraordinary circumstances — and a backup plan — it’s unlikely they would remove him from the ticket.

Any challenger to Biden would have to announce his or her candidacy before the formal vote, publicly challenging the incumbent in a high-stakes attempted party coup.

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There’s no removing him if he* is unwilling.

*whoever is in charge

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It looks like President Jill Biden wants to stay in power, so the poor animated corpse she insists on abusing will have to carry on for a bit longer.

Let’s see, the next Presidential debate might do it.

If he does badly and Madam President still refuses to yield the Dems have a stark choice. Stick with him or try to invoke the 25th amendment…………….or slip something into his warm milk before bed.

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The thing is Democrats will absolutely be playing their base like a fiddle with the usual lines - abortion rights and civil rights up for grabs in November. Yet, they’re doing nothing but emboldening Trump and making it easier for him to win the longer this charade continues. It’s been predictable for some time that Trump would run and he could be expected to win the Republican nomination.

They’ve completely abdicated their responsibility to the country (and arguably, if their hyperbole is true, the world) to field the best candidate they could with the best platform they could.

There’s zero chance Biden takes part in another debate even if he is the candidate in November.

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We’ll find out on Thursday

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Suspect the Governors have already decided in their call. The only question is how hard Biden makes it. While procedurally he can cling onto the nomination, he toasts his legacy if he does and loses in November anyway.

Those coming out against him will only increase in their number and seniority in the weeks ahead. Harris might actually threaten 25. She would absolutely be within her constitutional powers to do so, and no chance Biden wins the vote at Cabinet.

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Would love to know what genius said “blame being tired because of jetlag” as if the leader of the free world might do it all over Microsoft Teams.

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The best hope for the World is 3 major cardiac/stroke events , Putin, Trump and Biden. Doctors have a lot to answer for keeping these geriatric psychopaths going.

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I guess the argument against this is that it's undemocratic but it is evidence for age limits for holding office.

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Could say the same about the lower age limit and arguably term limits.

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What I do not understand is how the Supreme Court ruling on immunity on "official" acts while in office changes the dynamic of the conviction of falsifying business records. How can this be, in any way, an "official action"?

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It isn’t, but Trump’s legal team will use it as another delaying tactic anyway. The longer they can delay sentencing the better for them. They don’t want Trump in an orange prison uniform, or even under house arrest with an ankle tag, during the main part of the election campaign. If they can delay sentencing until after the election by any means, they will.

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Of course the admissibility of evidence in the course of his official duties is being questioned following the Supreme Court judgement - so it’s far from a mere stalling tactic if some of the evidence used to convict doesn’t meet the appropriate threshold since he is inevitably going to appeal.

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I see the Adderall kicked in early today…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1720123036

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Has the guy ever actually managed to send a nice happy message on any holiday or special day without making it all about him?

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Not recently.

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Has donny been shot? Conflicting reports

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Looked like there was blood above his right ear, and it certainly sounded like some sort of gunshots.

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If he wins will he still be pro 2nd ammendment?

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Defo blood as he got up and gestured with his fist to the crowd and said "fight".

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The picture I've seen shows Trump with a small section of ear missing.

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Update:
Attacker fired shots from the roof of a van.

Attacker is dead, shot by a Secret Service agent.

He basically missed (despite multiple shots) but killed an audience member.

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They're saying Trump got hit by glass fragments, not a bullet. One audience member dead. Shooter also dead.

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I can’t stand Trump but this is not the way to deal with him or his type. To be honest this is likely to only have galvanised his supporters’ love for him.

Violence in politics (as per anywhere) is completely wrong. Take him down intellectually, not with a stupid bullet.

Thankfully he seems to be only slightly injured.

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Well the shooter has certainly helped Trump in his campaign, and given him some fantastic photos and future PR, and talking points.

You only need to look at what happened to Reagan’s ratings after he was shot.

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Should Biden be charged with inciting violence?

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/p...e/74397121007/

If it was the other way around you know Trump would’ve been.

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Nope

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The shooter was identified as Thomas Matthew Crooks.

Another 3 named shooter, like the previous

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Let's wait and see for the confirmation on the possible motive. People are spreading a lot of info online that's hard to verify.

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i have 3 names, i thought it was normal in western culture.

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Well that's Trump guaranteed to be voted in at the next election. It will be interesting to see what the various press reports will be after this. Both sides off the press political divide will have there say on why this happened.