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Bit of a bugger for Carrie mind, all that money she spent on the decorating and now it looks like she’s going to be moving out

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:D funny you say that, we had that conversation and came to the same conclusion.

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Sky are reporting that some MPs think they've got 54 letters already in. This might be kicking off tonight.

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Can understand now why Johnson said the place was a bit of a dump. After so many house parties, I can appreciate it was not in the same condition that Theresa May left it.

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tbf, Brownlow spent it first, then it was Conservative Central Office and the Cabinet Office, then it was Boris Johnson…

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Senior Conservative backbencher tells me tonight they are confident of getting to 54 letters tomorrow to try and oust the PM.

“Up the revolution!” they tell me.

No 10 / whips subjecting them to “threats and blackmail” but has only angered MPs further, they say.

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/sta...50603997597702

be bye bye Johnson soon the worst PM in our country ever

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This might help you to understand the situation.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1642541745

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OB will still try defend the undefendable Johnson thinking we are all so stupid by saying i dont know rules i made

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Indeed.

Watching the Beth Rigby interview made for uncomfortable viewing. In terms of a bad interview, it was only beaten by Prince Andrew's.

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exactly Andrew

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My letter has gone in, but don't know if it counts??:confused:

Anyway, whatever your politics the country is better off without Big Dog living it large at our expense. Let him take that wallpaper as a keepsake.

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the momentum against Johnson seems to be gathering very quickly

Mod edit (Chris): Please don’t forget to put quote tags around content you’re … welll … quoting. It gets quite confusing otherwise.

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If K stands for Kawczynski, Knight, Kruger or Kwarteng then it's possibly not wasted.

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It’d be a great laugh if Johnson actually won the vote of no confidence (assuming there is one). I genuinely hope he does. The public will see through the charade the process is anyway and there will be no bounce in the polls the issue of “next leader” just trundles along until the next farce.

If we are stuck with the Tories until 2024 then a civil war while led by a buffoon at least provides entertainment value and (assuming Labour can’t win in Scotland) a better chance of a working majority for Starmer.

He’s terminal. The only question is whether to put him out his misery or not.

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It's embarrassing to be British at the moment. We should be at the heart of the West putting the pressure on Russia over Ukraine. Instead, we're being ridiculed by Ghana who called out the campaign to save Johnson as "Operation Deadmeat".

The sooner the Big Dog is put down the better. I'm certainly looking forward to PMQs.

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Actually we are involved in Ukraine, far more deeply than many realise. It’s not an either/or situation - government goes on even when the prime minister is a numpty.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/brit...ns-to-ukraine/

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Bury South MP Christian Wakeford has this morning defected from the Conservatives to Labour.

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-d...rship-12519919

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Terrible timing for Johnson.
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...armer-12514080

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Sir wet flannel is making a right Horlicks of PMQ's.

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I think you should consider driving to Barnard Castle.

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How is PM Waffle De Pfeffel Hindsight responding?

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Booster,waffle,waffle,booster,wait for enquiry,waffle, wait for enquiry.

No random Latin as of yet

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Christian Wakeford . . . just had a look at his wiki page, seems just as corrupt and useless as most. Probably won't win the next local election anyway if standing for Labour, no harm done.

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He won by 402 votes ahead of Labour, so it'll certainly be an interesting vote next time

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I think back stabbing traitors are best out of the party so as you say no harm done 1/10 for effort.

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Ol Boris hasn't left, yet?

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Then he should do the honourable thing and hold a by-election.

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Indeed he hasn't landed anything, Johnson has just batted everything away. Starmer looked quite desperate at the end and had a question struck off .

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From the BBC

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Can't argue with him...

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Starmer also broke the rules, I think his excuse it was a work meeting, is rather pathetic - they both broke the rules - but what was really striking with PMQs not one question on the impending threat from Russia invading Ukraine.

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I felt it was the right tone but Johnson did better than I expected. The big punches are being landed by Johnson's own side.

Starmer doubtless knew the Royal family question would be struck off. He understood he would achieve his key objective of reminding Johnson's MPs and the public of that terrible image of No. 10 partying with a DJ into the wee hours, whilst the Queen was preparing to bury her husband of 73 years where she sat alone without her family to comfort her.

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Largely an issue Labour and the Tories will agree on. If anything develops there will be a statement to the house and the chance for a proper debate focused on it.

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I remember you being equally outraged when Reckless and Carswell defected from the Tories.

Oh, wait….

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Unless Labour does worse than 2019, which is unlikely at the moment, he probably would have lost his seat given the wafer-thin majority.

Not talking about this current surge of polling for Labour, which will drop at some point, either but for a long time now Labour have been outperforming their polling in the seats lost in 2019 so Bury South would have been one of the top targets.

In fact just looked it up. It would be 3rd on their list: http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/bat...targets/labour

So if you take the national swing only then Labour would (in theory) capture Bury South with a 3 seat gain.

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Crikey - this was years ago. Chip and shoulder come to mind. :rolleyes:

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Whilst Starmers behaviour if true certainly isn't acceptable. I'm not sure you can make use of it to justify the one incident (so far) against the multiple instances that have occured with and around Boris.

It's akin to saying that one person who is caught driving at 75mph on a deserted motorway in the middle of the night has the same level of culpability as an individual caught ten times speeding at 90mph through a 30mph zone.

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Yes I see that, but would people actually vote for someone who, possibly, would turn again if he got upset by something Labour did . . . and Labour doesn't have a clean track record when it comes to infighting does it, so he may well be off again at some time ;)

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This is the same MP who co-sponsored a bill to force by-elections to take place after defections. ;)

Also it seems voting him over 400 times in 2 years for policies which fly in the face of labour values has made him extremely unwelcome in some labour quarters......

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Main thing to watch is its short-term impact in Westminster.

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Not the first two words that come to my mind.

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Good to hear. Unfortunately, our diplomatic efforts will be constrained at the top level as Johnson fights to remain as Prime Minister.

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Yes, voted on it on 2nd Sept 2020.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1642605027

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Indeed, just someone that likes his 80K + expenses salary and wants to keep it. He'd probably swap to the SNP too if they looked like winning the seat.

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From Private Eye. This is what real leadership looks like.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1642609801

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Apologies, I didn’t realise there was a time limit on relevant facts…

I’ll bear that in mind the next time anyone brings up the last time the Labour Party were in power…

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Hugh remembers every post ever made on CF. We've all found that out to our cost ;)

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Yes, he did say that, but he said it because people keep alleging that he was warned it was illegal. Come on, Andrew, join the dots!

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That went well… :rolleyes:

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And you should hear what his constituents say about that.

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He’s a one-trick pony. His constituents are furious with him.

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He’s got a long way to go, OB I’d not count your chickens just yet.

His decision to be Steve Baker’s useful idiot today will likely only buy him time not survival. Especially if the electorate see through it for what it is.

I heard some pretty good news from Mr. Boris today

He said almost all restrictions are being lifted,thats quite g00d!!!

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

How about this from Boris today?

Source

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You can say what you like when that happens and it will still be highly irrelevant, given the point is, the MP who’s defected today, is a big fat hypocrite having sponsored a Bill to force those who defect to hold a by-election.

Great shame the official young Labour camp does not welcome him.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1642627711

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:clap::clap::clap:

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I'd go for the by-election. Labour would win by a landslide atm, given the minute majority last time and the current polls. Same with the other 'red wall' seats. The Tories have been exposed for what they are and Northern voters won't be fooled again.
'Leveling up, my arse ! ' as Jim Royal would say !

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Wow, the little snowflakes have found a backbone.

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I think any MP (or Local Government representative) who changes Party should have a By-Election in their Constituency, whatever their Party - I was impressed when Carswell did that.

Speaking of hypocrisy, that brings us back to the topic subject - all those in No. 10 (and other departments) making rules and laws for the country, then flaunting those rules and laws themselves, then lying about it and covering it up.

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I don’t recall ever disagreeing with the second part of your post.

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Enough people are prepared to testify they warned Johnson against the party.

The country has joined the dots and they BoJo spell out. Even David Davis knows this. Supporting Johnson to stay in power is in reality helping Starmer to win the next election.

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Who do you think the Labour candidate would be?

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Agree with the by-election but it's important to remember that Young Labour don't welcome it because they simply don't like Tories and don't want them switching to Labour at all. It's about ideologically purity for them rather than the cold pragmatism of politics.

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Interesting that you are not taking account of what his constituents are saying!

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I await seeing that with interest, Andrew. It’s all talk so far.

Talk of Boris Johnson’s imminent fall from power may be premature. We’ll see.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

What do the polls say for his constituency? I would certainly favour a by-election there on principal.

Johnson hinted the report is out next week.

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Interesting...
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...armer-12514080

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https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1484109819183255552

well well OB know your still gonna defend the undefendable

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Poor Boris. Imagine being let down by this staff like that! Looks like some more firings amongst his staff!

I think the Tories are spinning the report to be worse than it is as they know they've been referring it so much that everyone and their dog thinks it's rigged to clear him.

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https://news.sky.com/story/tories-wh...warns-12520768

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Clearly the staff are to blame but i think Boris should forgive them, they were working through difficult times with lots of unfathomable rules as has been proven by labours indiscretions which are going unpunished.

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I’m not defending anything. I am saying we should read the report first. Not exactly a revolutionary stance for me to take.

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But yet you have no issues with the limited scope of the report*, or that Sue Gray cannot make a determination as to whether there is criminal liability, as she is not a court, and she cannot make an independent assessment of the application of non-legal guidance to her colleagues as she is not independent. The only things to be published are the ‘findings’ and not the report itself.

Most importantly, she can’t determine whether the PM or another Minister is in breach of the Ministerial Code, as she is not the PM.

So, the person who will decide if anything is done with the report is the person who would be most affected by the report…

It is an internal investigation by a civil servant, who reports to ministers, of other civil servants and various advisors/3rd parties. It is not a quasi-judicial process, and it has no independent standing. It is almost as if this investigation was structured to enable Ministers/Press Officers to leak to the press that they have been ‘cleared’.

You were in HR - if there were complaints about your HR Director, would it have been accepted practice for him to write the terms of reference for the investigation, and then be the only one who could agree if the complaints had any merit?

You may wish to Google "independent" and "conflict of interest".

*as previously highlighted by Sephiroth

https://assets.publishing.service.go..._2021.docx.pdf

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Desperate and illegal or just sharp politics?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=entnewsntp

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Shows the state of politics and journalism in this country when we're banging on about bloody parties, whilst the fact that a Chinese spy infiltrated parliament and had a Labour MP in their pocket by paying him near half million quid..... is just forgotten.

But let's concentrate on the important stuff.......how much booze did they fit in that suitcase?

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Exactly.

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it about them thinking there above the law as in one rule for us and no rules for them

cant get how people don't understand they broke the rules they made

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

That should also apply to captain hindsight, even though he didn't make the rules.

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I like to hold government of all colours to account for their actions and inactions. :angel:

However, credit where it's due, the current regime could certainly organise a piss up in a brewery! :)

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Boris made the rules. :confused:

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I was referring to Starmer, I know Boris made the rules, but Starmer shouldn't have broken them either.

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But even the Tories aren't saying the Labour MP was in their pocket, they were arguing why he wasn't warned. Partly because they were involved too but also because there isn't any accusation or implication he knew she was a spy from MI5.

The media aren't going to make such an accusation themselves without either the evidence or getting to report on someone else's accusation. Obviously, if that was the story then it would be huge.

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true but it dont give Johnson a free pass for rule breaking

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I thought Johnson had taken over that role?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60014813

Even Rees-Mogg agrees

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ore-thumb.html

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Neither of them get a free pass - they both broke the rules, doesn't matter how many times one side did over the other, rule breaking is rule breaking.

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Do we actually know that Starmer has broken the rules? A few people on here have gone on about it quite a lot but it's not being investigated or anything is it? Last April was not like the tough lockdown of 2020.

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Keir Starmer enjoyed a beer with Labour workers, despite lockdown rules banning indoor social gatherings.

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A tricky one. He said they just stopped working for a bite to eat and carried on working afterwards. That's why I think it's not been taken further.

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How is any different, really? If it was a working party, with the same people attending who work together indoors, it sounds like a storm in a teacup.

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Well, there wasn’t an email sent to 100 people, saying "let’s have some socially distanced drinks, and bring your own booze",

Or

It wasn’t two separate parties (one of which was a leaving party) in the same building, who then joined up later in the garden, on the evening before Prince Philip’s funeral

but besides that, no difference…

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My curiosity has been raised as people on the forum have gone on about it. Obviously, having a break for food and drink in 2021 at work is somewhat different than inviting 100 people to an event in 2020.

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As a member of the public, I see starmer as guilty as Boris.

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I think the fact there is a photo/video helps Starmer because it shows him in an office with a beer, rather mundane.

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Yes, that makes sense.

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Encouraging to see a bit of honesty.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...?ocid=msedgntp

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'people' understand perfectly, but some of those 'people' just dont really care that much about a few "parties" a year (or more) ago, and are more irritated by the OTT fuss continually being made about it.

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Precisely, Russia is literally on the precipice of invading Ukraine, many pundits and world leaders say it’s gonna happen, this could thrust us all in to World War 3.

But yeah, UK media go on and on about no. 10 parties. defections… :rolleyes:

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The best way of clearing up this whole matter is for Johnson to step down.

Re: All those No.10 lockdown parties
 

The best way of clearing up this whole matter is for starmer to step down.

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No that's just Mr Putin angling for some advantage or other probably of a financial nature.

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That's why it's important a Government doesn't waste its authority. This isn't the media's fault, it's their fault for displaying such disregard for their own rules and the public and their incompetence in handling it when they got caught out.

The media are reporting it because the public care. It's almost always the case that what the public and media care about is, to a neutral observer, objectively out of proportion to what is actually happening in the world.

At any one time there is turmoil on the Indian border with Kashmir, China's treatment of the Uyghurs, there has been a war in Yemen for years now and civil wars in some African states whilst our front pages will focus on the fact that Ant and/or Dec have crashed their car.

Thankfully when it comes to Ukraine the Foreign Office and MOD can just get on with it. They don't need Parliament and even if they did there is a consensus on it.

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My wife said she was listening on radio (Moral Maze?) and it was commented that before the election people knew Mr Boris was an affable chap who liked to please people and was a bit of a clown. That he behaved in that way shouldn't be a surprise. He wants to be liked even if he should really be firmer.


But further to this, it really isn't that much of an issue. It's looking back a fair way about something they shouldn't really have done but really isn't that important. I read that some mother was complaining that a family member died (not HRM) and they held a "work event". Not really related unless someone attending contracted covid, passed it on etc. And I would say the same about Starmer or any others. If there is something that need investigating, investigate and deal with appropriately. This isn't something that really affects the nation or needs immediate action.

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