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According to the Br'Express article, they applied but were rejected.

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So He’s chasing the red wall, by cutting the TFN budget by half..............ok.

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By other means - rescuing large traditional bankrupt employers, poking the EU bear, etc.

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They claim they applied but were rejected.

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And Judy Davis, that lives in Redcar gives a ShIt how?

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Mmm I think I regret the Spanish chucking them out to, what kind of moron votes for something so intrinsically against their best interests?

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Perhaps they have the greater good in mind. ;)

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I'm sure she'll be putting on the kettle. ;)

My point is that the government is favouring propping up traditional red wall heavy industries whilst small entrepreneurs are suffering from a bad Brexit deal. It's quite clever as it gives the Labour Party space little space to present an alternative agenda as their policies have been stolen and entrepreneurs are unlikely to flock to the Labour Party. Perhaps time for the Liberal Democrats to reinvent themselves?

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I'm surprised that after five years they would be chucked out. What basis would Spain fail their applications on. Lack of savings? Spanish language test?

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I suspect that some people living over there didn't bother applying in time or just thought it was too much of a bother. There seems to be a fair bit of paperwork to have to get in place and several hoops to jump though so, trying to do it quickly when having to deal with two layers of Spanish bureaucracy, missing a vital step seems a possible reason for their application to be refused. Late application could also result in missing the deadline. and the Spanish Authorities have no reason to treat them leniently especially when they voted to leave the EU.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/residenc...ments-in-spain

Just found this article from 2019 which shows the mindset of expats at that time.
https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/brex...ecision-256841

I am also wondering if other UK-expats living in France/ Portugal and other EU countries could face the same fate.

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I suspect their forms would be in perfect order and filled in by expert lawyers. ;)

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I suspect those living in France are more used to bureaucracy and form-filling than those in Spain and hance are better prepared.

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When did they apply?

Was it when they were legally supposed to do so, or when they learnt they may be chucked out for not applying when they should have, and therefore being an 'illegal immigrant' :p:

*please answer using a back dated letter folded around a €100 note*

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1375857260862320651

all the other papers/media are taking their story from this site - also, it’s run on a free theme (newsup) on Wordpress - not many (if any) legitimate news organisations would be doing this.

https://archive.ph/GTWfA

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Spain, like a lot of EU countries requires registration of EU citizens under freedom of movement rules after 90 days. At this point they have to show that they are either working, reasonably expected to get work or be self supporting. If none of these apply, you're out. I had to do this when I worked in an EU country for 4 months.

The UK never used these rules even though we could have.

The UK immigrants who are being thrown out because they didn't register so there's no evidence that they were resident in Spain before we left.

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Sounds like a lot of Cockney bad boys have been trying to keep their heads down on the Costa Del Crime, and now it’s backfired.

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Indeed, I'm sure their first thoughts were to go bleating to the British press to highlight their circumstances.

It certainly couldn't be law abiding expat individuals who failed to either

a) Understand some of the components of Brexit and thought life would continue as normal.
b) Understood the required components but then failed to ensure they would meet the required conditions to allow stay.

Perhaps if they flew a Union flag over their house it might help their odds

Oh well, hope they enjoy the weather back in Blighty

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I'm pretty sure the Spanish authorities didn't arrive at the figure of 500 British citizens by counting the number of people complaining to the Daily Mirror.

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So, we can expect these 500 crims to be arrested upon arrival back in Britain. Excellent. I'll look forward to the new reports on it.

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Their passport being highlighted by Border Force might do that...

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Yep, UK immigrants to Spain could apply for residency going forwards if they were residents before 1st January. The same applies for EU born citizens on the UK.

To be resident while still under EU Freedom of Movement rules, they needed to register with the Spanish Government (getting a NIE card) Failure to register meant that they were not resident in the formal sense so they fall under the 90 days in every 180 rules and time's up now

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Fair enough. Put up or shut up and they're putting up.
https://www.theguardian.com/business...-exports-to-eu

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Indeed but more later than sooner though! From the Scottish indy thread. For the avoidance of doubt, the first line is intended to be humorous. ;)

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Nicola Sturgeon has started heavily qualifying her statements about an independent Scotland being in the EU. She’s now all about “trying” to rejoin, whereas in 2014 the Yes campaign claimed Scotland’s accession would be all but automatic. Having been running the government here for so long, and either side of Brexit, she is more aware than most where Scotland’s economic dependence lies, and it is with England more than with every other nation in the world combined. Erecting tariff and quota barriers with England would be catastrophic for Scotland, and would in no way be commensurate with the benefits of having barriers removed from EU trade. For Scotland to be in the EU, England must be too. Yet with the Scotland excluded from an English vote on EU membership, a Rejoin majority in England would be even harder to achieve.

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Boringly, I agree with you.

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Andrew didn't say he was - he was saying he (Andrew) was being boring by agreeing with Chris, rather than debating the point.

imho...

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That's how I saw it too . . . that doesn't necessarily mean Andrew finds it boring agreeing with people though. :D

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:blush:

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You're right. ;)

And despite the date, it's not an April Fool's joke.

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Get a room, you two... :D

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Well I never!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56596117

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So he was the tinker and the spy

I can't imagine ever becoming a dual national, I probably can through two European countries but seriously, what's the point

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Yes I'm sure colleagues not fortunate enough to have that consideration will fully understand your dilemma, it's the way of modern politics after all, votes without consequences when you can just side step the result.

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If, and that is a big If, Scotland got its independence I would be entitled to a Scottish passport via my granddad.


He said that he was born a Scotsman, but will die a Brit and proud to have served for King and country, and would respect the Queen until his last breath

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Many, many generations back so too distant to give dual nationality.

John Le Carre said "The jingoistic England that is trying to march us out of the EU, that is an England I don't want to know."

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I'm entitled to an Irish passport - ironically through a Norn Iron grandparent who would sooner have died than be an Irish citizen. :D Apparently if I get one, the rest of my family is then entitled.

But I have absolutely no intention of doing so.

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(at this time...) ;)

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I would get one because of my mum. If (lots of ifs here!) Scotland got independence and EU membership, I would be all over that for me and most definitely for my kids for some of that sweet free movement action

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Cor !! Imagine having dual nationality of Scottish & Irish, there's enough material there to keep the (good) old comedians going for a summer season at Blackpool :D

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Even I can't see why the Prime Minister's spokesperson can't celebrate Brexit. :confused: :D
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...2#post36076132

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Looks like there's now some interviews with UK papers on how Brexit has impacted upon some Brits living in Spain.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...-over-23835728

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hmmm . . .

If I'd lived in Spain for 20 years and wanted to carry on living there, I'd have had thoughts about applying for citizenship once the referendum result was announced.

He's had a few years to look into it since then, did he or his family not think there may possibly be repercussions?

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I know someone who retired early, rented out his house and moved to his second home in Tenerife.


I'll have to try and find out what he done.

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Shouldn't affect him as Tenerife is not in the EU.

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Yes, it is. The Canaries are an autonomous region of Spain and so are part of the EU.

What they're not part of is the EU common area for duty free allowances, so there were different rules when we were in the EU for going on holiday there.

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It's a bit clearer now why in the midst of a pandemic, Boris was keen to fly to India. Just Google "EU and India plan global infrastructure deal" or go to https://www.ft.com/content/2e612c38-...7-78e11ab1c697

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The dream of Utopia is still alive and kicking then :rolleyes:

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If you Google the headline, you should be able to access the article.

India has been BoJo's great hope for a trade deal. If anyone knows the country, they'll appreciate that it is hard enough to trade across states there let alone externally, although it's improving.

When he got wind of the upcoming Indian-EU collaboration, BoJo was keen to take the wind out of the EU's sails by making an in-person trip to India and announcing a tick-box exercise eg looking at making it easier for skilled Indians to work in the UK, India to study an impact assessment on reducing tariffs on spirits.

BoJo is a gifted politician. He is only too aware that May's anticipated announcement by the EU will encourage commentators to pose the question about the UK's ties to India and future trade opportunities. And the questions will go beyond India to other Commonwealth countries where the feted opportunities have failed to materialise.

All of this made travelling to India in the midst of a pandemic look more of a rational decision.

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*easier for skilled Indians to work in the UK*

Won't work Andrew, we won't be allowed to pay them 38p a week to produce clothes for Primark :p:

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Good old “ Don Von der Leyden.”

“You know me and the boys would hate for something to happen to you”

We need to get AC12 in here as we evidence of an OCG.

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That speech was all part of the final push to get the vote through the EU Parliament. That was pretty much a formality but now it's done - 600 yes, 5 no, 32 abstentions.

Just the Council to go and they were involved all along so it's pretty much done now

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Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2021/04/26/milk-...1/?ito=cbshare

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More cheaper food for us then:)

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I'm not going to lose sleep over that, given that we only produce about three quarters of the dairy produce we consume and import pretty much all the rest of it from the EU.

There is a domestic market for everything British dairy farms produce, and it would be much more environmentally friendly for us to produce and consume our own needs as far as possible.

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Yep, entirely agree.
I guess if the EU are short of chicken, pork etc they can produce more themselves . . . the place is big enough ;)

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If there is a domestic market for all these foods, you have to wonder why food producers are (or were) exporting? Surely in transport costs alone, selling domestically is a no brainer?

Is it;

• The food produced is not generally consumed in the UK so manufacturers will need to make new products, or UK consumers change their tastes?
• The price the products can be sold at in the EU are higher than in the UK, making the food less profitable going forward if sold in the UK so manufacturers will either need to raise prices or take the drop in income?

I always remember a while back when it turned out that the UK import AND export huge amounts of lamb. UK consumers like legs which we import while the rest of Europe prefer other cuts which we export once we have taken the legs off

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Exporting to the EU was probably written into the rules somewhere, all in the interests of keeping a level playing field for all meat/dairy producers within the EU . . you know how it goes :p: ;)

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I wonder how much of the exported milk went into French cheese production imports of which have allegedly dropped?

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Are you talking about imports of French cheeses to the UK? That would be people on here boycotting EU goods...

It doesn't break down what dairy products specifically - just milk or intermediate products like skimmed milk and milk powders or finished products like butter, cheese and yoghurts

However, just to show that there is a website for everything, I found this site - https://www.clal.it/en/index.php?sec...opa&country=FR which breaks down imports and exports of dairy. France seems pretty self sufficient.

There's also a map - https://www.clal.it/en/index.php?sec..._map&year=2021 showing who are net importers and exporters

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Yes I was referring to imports of cheese. The UK is not the only reduction.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1619627466

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They're saints compared to BoJo who gave the address details of an investigative journalist so he could be beaten up.

Thank goodness a Remainer came to the country's aid to lead the vaccine procurement or we'd still be in full lockdown.

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The first sentence in the op ed piece is incorrect apart from the approach to AstraZeneca. This ground has been covered before and the errors in such pieces highlighted many times before, such that it becomes a tad repetitive.

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Ooh, that guy is angry!

I think he may have forgotten that we have left the EU. He also seems confused that the EU is set up to benefit EU nations, not third countries unless it is in the member states interests

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It's not analysis it's just the outpourings of a shock jock who doesn't understand the implications of leaving the EU who's now throwing his toys out of the pram.

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Other articles by this chap...

Joe Biden’s woke Left-wing agenda is a catastrophe for the free world

The Tories have abandoned Sadiq Khan's London to a doom-spiral of permanent decline

f you are a Tory voter in London, tough luck. You now live in a one party city-state, controlled forever more by a Labour administration committed to grinding you down.

We have one last chance to stop Britain's descent into a post-Covid socialist nightmare

The Tories have trashed Thatcherism and embraced Europe’s politics of decline

It's like Richard Littlejohn has been cloned and worn a suit... :D

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To be fair, your team agreed the deal and signed us up to the deal. Maybe they should have read and understood what they were committing us to. It's a bit late now to be complaining about some of the terms, it should have been pretty obvious that the EU would look to add clauses with teeth especially when dealing with a government that's got form for willingness to change the rules post agreement. You reap the seeds you sow.

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I don't understand why the author of that article is so incensed at was so obviously going to happen. We leave, we are treated as a third country. It's literally what people voted for wasn't it, or was there an expectation that we would be treated differently from other third countries? If so, that's what trade deals are for.

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This tacky article must surely be an embarrassment to other Leave voters who were surely better informed than the author of this op ed. He's got buyer's remorse written all over him.

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I'd actually read it as 'Remainers Apoplexy' personally :D

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Sure, the rules are there in the agreement to invoke articles such as Article 16. Article 16 of course does not suspend the agreement and needs to be time limited. As the agreement is not suspended upon invocation of Article 16, the other side can announce proportionate rebalancing measures after a month which could be fun...

Article 16 is designed to cover ‘economic, societal or environmental difficulties’ and the question would be what ‘economic, societal or environmental difficulties’ have occurred that could not have been foreseen before the agreement was put in place. If it's the general principles of the agreement as it is right now, then that surely is a failure to understand what was signed isn't it?

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Blog post from London School of Economics on why Article 16 might not be as helpful as angry Telegraph editors think it is - https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2...-no-quick-fix/

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I think the problem boils down to all the leavers who bought him to 'the easiest deal in history' mantra. Now reality is slapping them in the face they're looking for someone (or something) to blame for their naivety.

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It seems as though the only ones who believed 'the easiest deal in history' mantra, are the ones now writing articles suggesting it wasn't.

As for those of us living in the real world, there was never a doubt that things wouldn't go exactly according to plan(s) . . . but we still voted out ;)

Incidentally, I'm still waiting to be hit by the many 'disastrous misfortunes' of Brexit . . maybe I'm just lucky eh :D

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Exactly.

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As a patriotic Brit, I'm certainly not gloating. I don't want to see the UK disintegrating or rising up the global corruption league table or our exporters struggling. I hope the UK can overcome these issues by not ignoring them.

The EU has given the UK lots of extensions to get its act together over the admin needed for the island of Ireland. It's held many meetings with the UK. Not the actions of a body acting out of spite. But this has been advised before.

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Brexit bonus has become a Brexit disaster, says company that supplies 10% of fish for our great chippies.

Maybe it's Norway acting out of spite and not helping us sort out the issues? ;) Will Rees-Mogg stand up in Parliament and tell the House that Norway's fish are happier due to Brexit as we can't catch them anymore? :D
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56940914

Google the headline or see https://www.ft.com/content/acb9db43-...7-94febd6fa3a8

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I'm not aware that anyone has claimed that it was, unless you're correcting a previous post. But the UK's agreement for access to Norwegian waters ended due to Brexit.

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Sorry - the forum has put Norway in the same post as my response to you as it was posted within a similar time frame. It's not meant to form part of my reply to you, but I think others and I have responded comprehensively to you about that opinion piece.

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So to get it straight, you are complaining that the EU are not being nice or fair because they are planning to stick to the terms of a treaty that we have signed with them? So to turn your statement around, I suppose I am challenging the Leavers to recognise that the EU are following the terms of the treaty as signed.

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I don't think you should get upset because members of the European Parliament have a view on Brexit being a mistake; MEPs are entitled to express their opinions.

The UK signed up for a relationship with the EU outside the Single Market and Customs Union which causes trade friction, despite what you might have been led to believe. If the UK wants to ease its problems by removing trade friction then it needs to consider re-joining them and I'm sure our European friends will understand and co-operate here as necessary.

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"rejoin them" referred to the Single Market and Customs Union, not the EU.


I'm sure they can help us ease the problems, but the solution might not make for comfortable reading for you!

I'm not sure what form "being done with them" might take, as we have left the EU!