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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51924405

On my travels - arrived at Dublin airport, next flight to Leeds at 17:25.

Home soon...

Update on FO statement - https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-51921683 @ 12:41

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UK coronavirus cases reach 1,950 - up 407 in 24 hours.

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-corona...hours-11958875



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NHS suspends all non-urgent surgery for three months from 15 April.

https://twitter.com/laurabundock/sta...30953398714368

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Well social contact wasnt an issue in the pub today :erm:

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It looks like Schools are just days away from closing as well according to the latest reports.

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I insist on hugging everyone I see in a pub so you see the possible problem.

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Well I went to the local for my normal pint or two and there were the usual regulars. People still going into the restaurant section for food.

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I know just the place to stay, you might get breakfast delivered in a hamper and access to Freesat :D

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A little light relief.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1584473337

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Actual number to be more like 50,000, which would still be something like 0.08% of the population.

This is not the apocalypse. Everyone should just calm down, follow the advice and carry on.

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There's lots of posts over the internet criticising Johnson for doing a U turn.

Is he simply moving onto the next stage of Herd Immunity, or is this indeed an admission that he got it wrong and he's changed course?

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That's a false dichotomy (in other words, there are more possible answers than the two you have offered).

The science of this has been explained on various news programmes throughout the day. Radio 4's World at One is a good place to start ... the first 15-20 minutes or so.

In essence, the strategy last week was to attempt a controlled burn through the population, in order to keep within NHS capacity but also to gain widespread immunity to SARS2 (the coronavirus causing coven-19). The progress of the infection generated a ton of new data over the weekend which was analysed at Imperial College London. This data suggested that under that strategy, critical/fatal infections could rise to 250,000 - far too high to sustain.

The strategy has now therefore changed to an increasingly aggressive containment effort. This does two things: first it sacrifices the drive for herd immunity, second it probably keeps the NHS within capacity. It also poses a serious risk: if the virus is still present in the population when restrictions ease, it will flare up again. We are probably therefore in this now for the very long haul.

The extreme long-term nature of the crisis we now face is the reason it was worth trying for herd immunity. I don't think it is fair to characterise this as 'Boris got it wrong' - there are always a range of options, weighted by available evidence. He would have 'got it wrong' by sticking to the same decision in the mount of changing weight of evidence. But he didn't.

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Not BJ's biggest fan, but totally agree with you on this one - he did the right thing by reviewing the changing information,and acting on it.

And on that note, here's the Emergency Coronavirus bill, drawn up after cross-party talks.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...s-bill-will-do

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l agree as this is not a time for party politics as this grave crisis and the consequences of it outweigh petty politics.

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I do hope this lockdown thing doesn't last too long, they were right in trying to avoid it because we know that we can all only cope so long before it becomes intolerable.

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The bottom line is:

The most vulnerable remain the most vulnerable, that hasn’t changed.

Whether we have a flash ( as in Italy) or a slow burn ( like we are trying ) the same demographic are at risk and most likely to suffer fatalities.

The difference is the capability of the health care system to cope.

The rest of us will be ill for a couple of weeks.

If those at risk, and those looking after those at risk, follow the guidance and protect them, they will save lives.

The best thing to happen is for the fit under 70’s, to contract the infection have a rough fortnight and get back on with life.

Whilst the vulnerable are protected.

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The best available models are saying that this week’s change of strategy should reduce deaths from 250,000 to 20,000. It was the evidence that the herd immunity strategy would cause that massive number that forced them to reassess. That’s just too high a number, even with herd immunity as the prize.

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It was a stupid, dangerous and reckless theory. But credit to those that make these decisions for realising it and changing tack quickly.

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I wonder if we'll go into a rolling lockdown whereby people are encourged to go out again when the pressure on the NHS dips and then locked down again when it raises. The risk would be people not understanding why it's important I guess.

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This is one of the scenarios in the imperial college paper. This will no doubt result in "Boris can't make his mind up!"

Baring some possible but unlikely scenarios we are going to be headed to herd immunity one way or another.

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China have managed to control this as the people there do what they are told. I worry that a lot in this country won't or don't bother.

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It was an aim that was attainable on the evidence available at that time - our most senior scientists were prepared to stand up and say so. The evidence now available says it is not attainable given our healthcare resources and the likely human cost. The science advances, theories and approaches change. Sadly what hasn’t changed, despite ample evidence to the contrary, is some people’s inability to see anything in our national life through any lens other than that of naked party politics.

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How delightfully crass of you. You do understand *why* the Chinese people do what their government tells them, don’t you?

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They do as they are told because otherwise they disappear. It's quite likely it will reemerge in China either soon or in the winter.

But yes, I worry that people here are in for a societal wake-up call. We've suddenly turned into a war economy over night.

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Oh yes I realise why, China isn't somewhere I'd want to live. However they've closed their last Coronavirus hospital today, and we need to learn from them and other countries as to how they've managed the situation. even if they did try and keep a lid on it initially.

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Are people panic buying in anyone elses area? I started noticing it a few days ago, but today is even worse.
I can't even access the Ocado website, it says:
You are position 8199 of 8199. Your wait time will be more than two hours.

Tesco has no delivery slots for over 3 weeks in advance now (And the calendar stops at the 3 week mark)
I managed to get an Asda delivery today, but over half of the items were missing, as they were out of stock. (No toilet rolls of course!)
Sainsburys, iceland and asda also have no delivery slots.

I went into the local express stores for both Tesco and Co op, nearly all the shelves were empty of food goods and cleaning stuff, there was no milk, bread, pasta, pasta sauces, toilet rolls or tea.

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They are, said a page ago that a local butcher here is crying out to be used, for both his own benefit and ours. So I'm going to. He's got stock and will likely continue to get it. Smaller chain shops here such as Spar/Premier etc also have stocked items.

The same applies as before, stuff exists outside of the mainstream supermarkets. Now more than ever do we have to start using those if people cannot be trusted to make sensible decisions in regards to buying. Otherwise we'll end up needing ration cards or supermarket enforced rationing like Aldi for the most sought after items.

Musclefood are or were still doing deliveries on last look, it's not ideal as the title suggests what you can expect, lean cut, portioned meat with some ready meals thrown in. As before too, as long as the elderly and infants get what they need countrywide, I'll plod on.

I'm still very much planning to continue with fresh food going forward rather than frozen. As long as my partner and kid get fed, I'm not that bothered.

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We have a recurring slot with Asda. We have come to rely on it as the nearest supermarket is over half an hour away from here. The app will usually predict good stock levels if you fill the trolley a good few days in advance and they are pretty good at putting in substitutes if what you order isn’t available when they pick it. The thing to watch out for is if you reopen the order to amend it the night before and the stock predictor thinks some of what you’ve already ordered will not now be in stock. In this case it will force you to remove those items from your trolley before you check it out again. So it’s safer to get it right first time and accept substitutes than to miss out altogether - especially as the stock predictor is never 100% accurate so some of the time you will still actually get what you order even if it starts saying you won’t.

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I cannot find any paracetamol anywhere only ibuprofen. I'm not supposed to take those because I'm already on an anti inflammatory prescription and my husband can't take them because they upset his stomach.

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My mother was complaining about this. You can use the superdrug website to try and reserve some in local branches, but there's no guarantee.

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This is actually less than yesterday (which was 14).

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Thanks for explaining it.

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You still don't get it. The real figure will be massively higher. It's low because they are only testing very few suspected cases. Says more about the lack of testing resource.

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If people don't do as they are told, they have said that nothing is off the table, including forced containment. I presume this to mean that they will use the police and the army to force people into isolation. Those with the virus who refuse to co-operate.will have their liberty to freely walk about withdrawn.

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In France you now need to fill out a form any time you want to leave the house. Fines for people found without the form.

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There are credible reports in China of people being shut in their apartment blocks with the main doors welded shut. But then it’s a dictatorial regime, with only thinly veiled totalitarian instincts, so nobody should be surprised.

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I don't want anything like martial law but posts like the below demonstrate why we might have a problem in this country with people who think they know better.

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A law for that was set in place more than a month ago.
The Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020

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Too right Den. I don't like Johnson or the current Tory Government, but this is not the time for politics or any other disagreements of any kind.

A lot of people are saying that the government & the public are overeacting because only a small amount will actually die.

They're now saying that up to 80% will get the virus. Yes, most won't die, but if an enourmous amount of people are incapacitated at any one time (especially if it's found that people who have had it can get it again) before a vaccine is found, society will quickly collapse. Anyone who'se had proper flu knows that you are totally unable to function.

What if there aren't enough experienced people to run power, water plants etc? What if sewage plants, bin collections are affected? Councils have already said that bin collections may have to be reduced or suspended. What impact will rubbish in the streets, or sewage backing up have on an already sick population?

As the chancellor said today, we are in a health and economic emergency and I applaud him for forgetting about Conservative ideology and intervening to try and stop the economy collapsing. Labour were critiscised by the Torys for borrowing so much money to bail out the banks to protect capitalism, yet the Torys are now doing the same thing and going against what they stand for because it's not only the right thing to do, it's the only chance we've got.

Now, if we get through this economically, and suffer many deaths on the way and a vaccine is found, what then for those who survive?

Our debts will be insurmountable, families will have lost loved ones, the streets could be filthy, there could be no power, water, gas,there could be riots and lootings- the government is already afraid of food riots and civil disobedience as it is. Many, many businesses will have closed, so unemployment will be rife. Life will be very different for those who survive.

And if we don't find a vaccine, I genuinely think that we could be facing extinction as a species.

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They're not having people asking for permission to leave the home. It is merely filling out and printing an online form or even creating a handwritten version, explaining why they are outside.

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Dont patronize me you annoying little twerp.


Some figures from a site I found thats tracking confirmed numbers.

Worldwide Confirmed Cases : 197,185 : Deaths 7,905 : Recovered 80,840.

Of course, as Mr Obvious likes to point out, total numbers will be higher.

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Umm, you do realise that the majority recover, right ?

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But if they can get it again and again and huge swathes of the working population are continually off work in cycles, leading to little to no economic prosperity and rubbish/sewage is present (leading to further disease) or there is no electricity, internet etc I think that we will, at best, be massively reduced in number.

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Re: Sainsburys:

- Disabled & over 70's to get priority access to delivery slots.

- Elderly & vulnerable customers to be given special times when only they can shop.

- From this Thursday all cafes, pizza, fish & meat counters will be suspended.

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How do you prove it online? I have physical documentation.


Is it going to be silly peak times of day when everybody else is travelling on public transport?

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Indeed as that was exactly my chain of thought.

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I don't know, they've said that eligible people will be contacted shortly......but how will they know? I don't think they know our dates of birth and won't have details of who is or isn't disabled.

Edit: I've copy/pasted it for you to read:


I wrote to you last week to tell you about some of the steps we are taking to support increased demand for food and other essential items.

After I wrote to you last week, many of you replied. You wrote to share your concerns about our elderly and vulnerable customers and to ask if we can do more to restrict the number of items each person can buy. I have listened to feedback from you and from Sainsbury's colleagues across the country and wanted to share some of the extra steps we are taking to make sure everyone has access to the items that they need:

A number of you suggested that we reserve an hour in stores for elderly and vulnerable customers. In response to this request, we will set aside the first hour in every supermarket this Thursday 19th March, for elderly and vulnerable customers. I hope that you can respect this decision and will work with us as we try our best to help those that need it the most. If you or an elderly family member, friend or neighbour would like to shop during this hour, please check online for your local supermarket opening hours.

We will also help elderly and vulnerable customers access food online. From Monday 23rd March, our online customers who are over 70 years of age or have a disability will have priority access to online delivery slots. We will contact these customers in the coming days with more details.

For any online customer who can travel to our stores, from Monday 23rd March, we will operate an expanded 'click and collect' service. We are significantly increasing the number of collection sites across the country over the coming days in preparation for this. Customers can place their order online as usual and pick it up from a collection point in the store car park. We believe this will also work for people who are self-isolating.

As we work to feed the nation, we are also focusing all of our efforts on getting as much food and other essential items from our suppliers, into our warehouses and onto shelves as we possibly can. We still have enough food for everyone - if we all just buy what we need for us and our families.

To help us get more essential items onto the shelves, from this Thursday 19th March, we will be closing our cafes and our meat, fish and pizza counters in supermarkets. This means we can free up warehouse and lorry capacity for products that customers really need. It will also free up time for our store colleagues to focus on keeping the shelves as well stocked as possible.

I mentioned last week that we had put limits on a very small number of products. Following feedback from our customers and from our store colleagues, we have decided to put restrictions on a larger number of products. From tomorrow, Wednesday 18th March, customers will be able to buy a maximum of three of any grocery product and a maximum of two on the most popular products including toilet paper, soap and UHT milk. We have enough food coming into the system, but are limiting sales so that it stays on shelves for longer and can be bought by a larger numbers of customers.

Finally, I wanted to end by saying a huge thank you to Sainsbury's colleagues across the business. Everyone is working flat out in difficult circumstances to do their best to serve our customers. If you're able to say thank you to them when you see them, I know they would hugely appreciate it.

Best wishes

Mike

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But how do they know who is eligible?.

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It doesn't say, it only says that "we will contact these customers in the coming days"!?!?

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Evening Standard article
So I'd have to get there by 7am. If currently the delivery slots are already full, it's going to take a while for any future priority slots to become available. I suppose they have a few days to work it out.

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Can you use your pass at that time?

There is now a holding queue to get onto the Ocado site....

Amazon has now said that it is to suspend non essential orders:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...us-until-april

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No, but for me it wouldn't be a big financial problem. As it's a disability one it would act as proof of eligibility. Not sure what the criteria for other people would be.


IIRC Amazon have said if they already have something in the warehouse you can order it. They are prioritising warehouse space.

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Business Secretary Alok Sharma says the Housing Secretary will be making a statement shortly about how to protect millions of renters in the UK that could be affected by coronavirus.

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Excellent news.

People with certain underlying conditions who get the virus are advised not to take Ibuprofen. There are also various fake news stories circulating about this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/51929628

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A lot of renters will already covered by benefits.

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Pity there's such a shortage of Paracetamol as a consequence.

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Anyone who is self employed or who has had to close their business due to the pandemic can now call HMRC on 0300 456 3565 for advice on tax and any benefits available to them.

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Absolutely impossible to get now as l got 2 packets 2 weeks ago luckily but you won't find any online for love or money now.

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Dear Lord.

ITS THE FLU

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Given that a person can only by 2x packets at a time where the heck is it all:shrug:

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Just done my weekly shop no tinned food limited frozen , a woman was complaining that greedy people were buying up all the toilet role as she loaded 4 packs onto the belt :rolleyes:

i bought 1 pack of four i only have the one arse.

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A lot of people one suspects use paracetemol but given there are raw material shortages triggered by the coronavirus outbreak and add to that there is also several considerable wholesale price rises for high street retailers and pharmacies who are trying to source it as well.

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OK I'm going to lay out scenarios about what happens next. I'm not an expert so this is all open to criticism.

"Snuff it out" scenario
We quarantine, the cases go to zero and it’s just gone, maybe the summer helps. Unfortunately this tends not to happen.

”Turn it off and on again”
We quarantine, it goes down, we open up, it goes up again. This repeats until we reach herd immunity (60 to 70% of people have had the virus). This could last until the end of 2021 by some models.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1584523600

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1584523830

The “scientific miracle” scenario
A vaccine is created and can be manufactured in enough quantities to give nearly everyone immunity, we jump to herd immunity immediately and go back to normal.
a) The virus is either gone permanently
b) The virus may need a new vaccine if it mutates next year

The small-pox-cow-pox scenario
The virus mutates into a less deadly version that also grants immunity, we then get the weaker version and the deadly one is pushed out of circulation. Herd immunity, back to normal.

The Spanish flu scenario
The virus mutates to a more deadly version and we just call this whole going outside thing off.

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Below is an extract from a letter sent by Sainsbury's CEO Mike Coupe to all customers on their database:

A bit late but at least it'll allow people to get some products that they really need.

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Anyone who has had proper flu knows that it means you cannot function at all. I thought i'd had it a few times......until I got it properly. I now know i've only had it that one time. I've felt ill, achey, runny nose, hot, sneezing, coughing and felt dreadful, but it wasn't the flu.

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I'd give you some Co Codomol if I could! I have boxes of it and it's good stuff.

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Pre-paid energy meters and those self isolating:

https://thepoorsideof.life/2020/03/1...ers-important/

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I think they might be able to find out those who are 70+ from the Nectar card, I can't remember if it asks for this??

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Mmm. So you're a cop and see someone who looks a bit peaky: Do you

A. Arrest them and get covered in virus ridden snot

or

B. Move away quickly in the opposite direction. :D

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Not a lot the companies can do with non-smart pre-paid meters. There's no way of giving further credit. With smart meters you can top up online or they could add credit to your meter.

One thing they all might need to do is abandon the hourly time slots. That might make the route planning more efficient. They don't want to go to a road and then return to another address nearby a few hours later. More drops could be fitted in each trip.

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Can't take too much cocodomol - codeine addiction isn't good.

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The streets are empty but the supermarkets are rammed this is not isolation.

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We've paid upfront for delivery slots from Sainsbury's but they can't/don't reserve places for us. Still we can get to the shops, not Aldi, don't like scrumming.

For those on here who are Christians this may encourage.
My wife's reading this morning Paul reminding his readers of God providing manna in the desert. Mine then included John 6:31"Our ancestors ate manna in the desert, just as the scripture says, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’ ”

Going back to the Old Testament account

1. Everyone gathered enough, those who gather a bit and those that gathered more.
2. Provision to gather more for the Sabbath (spoke to me of special occasion etc)
3. Those who tried to take too much found the extra rotten and smelly (don't hoard)
4. Provision lasted until they could get food normally again (40 years in Israel's case though it didn't need be that long).

Just believe that it should encourage to buy what is needed, it will be enough, don't try to be greedy and hoard (or even worse price gouge).

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If manna comes in a tin you aint getting any;)

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https://www.understandinguniversalcr...-vD-msuAAbHzOY A guide to Universal Credit for those who need to claim. This benefit does not pay anything for people to live on or help with rent & mortgage payments for at least the first five weeks. CLAIM AS SOON AS YOU KNOW YOU WILL BE LAID OFF, HAVE TO CLOSE YOUR BUSINESS OR ARE MADE REDUNDANT. This is because you do not get paid for the first week and the following four weeks are paid in arrears. This may be even longer if you receive any outstanding wages or receive a tax refund. The seven days starts from the date you claim, so claiming straight away gets the clock ticking. If you cannot manage during the waiting period, you are entitled to ask for an interest free loan that they will claw back from your ongoing payments.

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No, it isn’t...

https://www.sciencealert.com/the-new...hing-in-common The other major difference between flu and COVID-19 is that scientists have studied seasonal flu for decades. So, despite the danger of it, we know a lot about flu viruses and what to expect each season - however, very little is known about COVID-19, because it's so new; this means COVID-19 is something of a wild card in terms of how far it will spread, how it will mutate, and how many deaths it will cause.

On a related note, mum-in-law’s care home is now locked down - only visits being allowed are "end of life" visits.

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I think this one is the current plan. But more control is possible than a simple on-off tap, so they can maximise ICU utilisation but not overload it.

Also ICU capacity should ramp up over time, provided they can find the staff.

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Take enough of it and loo roll shortages won't be a problem. Be bunged up for days...

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OK I should have rephrased it as it's A flu.

The vast majority of people that get it will recover after a couple of weeks.

I'm not underplaying how ill people will get, some will get very ill but most will recover.

As far as I can ascertain, every death in the UK has had a contributing factor associated with it.

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Yeah, when i'm in a lot of pain I have to alternate with ibuprofen so that I don't overdose.

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Oh yes....

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If we don't find a vaccine and it can come back because the body isn't making us immune, lots of people will be repeatedly off work in an ongoing situation. It's not just about people dying, it will destroy our economy.

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Does anyone know how tomorrows emergency legislation will work after being put to the house?

I think it's normally something like green paper, white paper, bill, law.

Will it become immediately law as it's emergency legislation?


Ocado now saying that they aren't accepting any new orders.

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All schools in Scotland and Wales set to close on Friday.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...riday-11959688

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All Bills become law as soon as they have Royal assent. The powers contained in the law may have activation dates specified along with them, but it’s law as soon as Liz signs it. This might normally take a day or two but I suspect in this case they’ll be straight round to the palace with it.

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That is directly contrary to the briefings Scottish teachers were being given even yesterday afternoon. I will be interested to see where this is coming from.

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BBC says this has come from Nippy’s daily briefing.

Just goes to show how quickly things are changing.

Within the last 3 days we have heard schools will stay open til Easter but then stay shut until after the summer holidays; then schools will remain open come hell or high water; and now schools will shut this week and stay shut until after the summer holidays. The aim of keeping them open was as a bare minimum child care provision to save grandparents from being drawn into babysitting social contact, to prevent emergency services staff having to arrange childcare, and because some kids will neither eat nor wash effectively if they’re not in school.

I wonder what’s changed.

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Thanks, so basically it will become law tomorrow. Let's hope they push it under the Queens door!

Yes, there's grandparents health to consider, parents may have to cease working, children on free school meals may go without. What a bloody mess, but I think it's the least worse option.

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Its a struggle to keep up with how rapidly the situation is changing as its just a matter of time before England's schools are closed as well.

Lockdown is probably just around the corner given this has already happened in some EU countries.

This is going to require a monumental effort and great sacrifice from us all in the UK for a considerable time period.

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UK education secretary to make statement at 17:00GMT

Looks like you were right.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51939591

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UK coronavirus cases rise by nearly 700.

https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status...79247501111297

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Social Policy contact confirmed that they are hoping to do something for those in receipt of free school meals if/when this happens. Scotland already confirmed this.

Ex colleague tells me that DWP now considering concentrating on making payments only and suspending all other duties.

Germany says they will "do whatever it takes to beat this".

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My sister only has a couple of bog rolls in the house as she's been on holiday and only just got back. Can't source any more at the moment. She says that she's alright for eggs as a number of her neighbours keep hens and sell the eggs from the doorstep. One of the benefits of living in the country.

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The version I heard of this was from one of my RAF FB pages (one of the RAF stations in Germany). The nearest German equivalent to "the shit hits the fan" is "Jetzt haben wir den Salat" (“Now we have the salad”) - things are so bad they are reduced to eating salads. (not a literal translation our phrase, more of an equivalent feeling (things are really bad)) - this was told to me by one of my German civvy co-workers in the early 80s.

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Can we keep the scare-mongering to a minimum, please?

If we have corroboration for this sort stuff, fair enough, but otherwise it is just spreading frightening rumours.

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I found this German news article amusing.

https://www.rbb24.de/panorama/thema/...2rVlxU8BcwgiJo

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Fair enough Hugh, i've deleted it.

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I'm hearing that there was an attempted looting at Leckwith Asda this afternoon and police had to be called. Can't find anything online about it but quite a few people around here have been saying the same thing. Hopefully just a rumour but if true that's worrying.

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Link to evidence?

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Shop local! all the supermarkets around here are cleaned out, but I just pooped into our local shop and the shelves were full of toilet roll, tins etc.

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Good job they had toilet roll then..

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Interesting...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9408066.html

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Wow, Trumps press conference..... What an absolute plonker..

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heero guy posted something earlier where it was said that the supermarkets had asked for help from the police and the army if neccessary. It was on our local news that Morrisons Supermarket have had to install plastic shields to protect there staff.

It was reported that the Government were afraid of civil disobedience and food riots when it hit it's peak, but it looks like it's happening already. You're right, it is very worrying.

Found this (there again, it is the Sun!) https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/111756...s-coronavirus/

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Nice to see companies weighing in during this time of need.

So a group of volunteers 3D printed some.

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2020/03/6.jpg

The one on the left $11,000 from the medical company. The 3D one (given free) estimated at about $1.

Link

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I was saying if it can come back, which nobody seems to know yet, all that's been said is that it's 'unlikely'. There was something online where it's claimed that this has actually happened, i'll see if I can find it.

Edit: Found this:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...an-south-korea

If it can keeping coming back (because the body isn't making us immune as expected) after we've had it once and we hadn't yet developed a vaccine, we are in real trouble.

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The coronavirus death toll in the UK has reached 104 after NHS England said a further 32 people had died in England after testing positive.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...age-not-enough

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I can just imagine the call to the police


Spam raid in progress.........;)

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It’s extremely important to read these reports carefully and to try to see through the tabloid sensationalism.

The only quote from an actual expert in that entire article says this:

Which is *not* evidence of reinfection, or “catching the virus twice”. It is, rather, evidence of a more complex pattern of disease progression, in a few possibly especially weak individuals.

It is so important not to give equal weight to different reports just because they’re in print. The BBC and others giving equal weight to Andrew Wakefield’s MMR quackery despite the scientific consensus being heavily against him is, in no small measure, what has caused a perilous drop in vaccination rates that has consequences to this day.

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Thank God for that. They really shouldn't be sensationalising things, this is too serious a situation.

It seems to be that, because it's so new, nobody knows for sure if it can come back, but i'm glad it hasn't thus far.

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The BBC has annouced a wide-ranging package of measures today.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/la...ed-entertained