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Carth 14-07-2019 11:26
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Bit unfair to single out Boris as having no credible Brexit plan

1andrew1 14-07-2019 11:30
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36002515)
Shame on you for watching that American trash. What was wrong with Blakes7 ? ;)

Boris is unfit to PM, there seems to be wide agreement on that across politics and more importantly with the public. It isn't an entertainment post, Celebrity Come be a Buffoon With Me, it's not. Looks like he will be PM but I predict for a very short time, when his lack of any credible Brexit plan is exposed and the country pays a heavy price. if Labour don't get rid of him, his own side will.
Yes. I think the role of PM favours extroverts over introverts but that doesn't mean that extroverts can't read and digest briefing papers.
Looking further ahead, Nick Boles is suggesting Ken Clarke as a potential unity government leader for the autumn. https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status...25733381148673

Maggy 14-07-2019 11:57
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36002518)
Bit unfair to single out Boris as having no credible Brexit plan
That's a fair point.

1andrew1 14-07-2019 12:10
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36002518)
Bit unfair to single out Boris as having no credible Brexit plan
For fear of straying off topic, I agree no one has such a plan.

OLD BOY 14-07-2019 13:49
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36002515)
Shame on you for watching that American trash. What was wrong with Blakes7 ? ;)
I watched that as well, Mr K, I am not a one-trick pony, you know! :D

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36002515)
Boris is unfit to PM, there seems to be wide agreement on that across politics and more importantly with the public. It isn't an entertainment post, Celebrity Come be a Buffoon With Me, it's not. Looks like he will be PM but I predict for a very short time, when his lack of any credible Brexit plan is exposed and the country pays a heavy price. if Labour don't get rid of him, his own side will.
As I said before, Boris will prove to be very popular with the electorate. He will repeat the Maggie Thatcher story in terms of keeping the Conservatives in power with a very decent majority.

And just like Maggie, he will anger the extreme left, and eventually after much noise and fuss, they will realise that they need to appeal to the centre ground in order to regain power.

Things are beginning to seem much more optimistic from where I stand, but I don't expect that you will be much impressed! :D

Dave42 14-07-2019 13:52
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36002528)
For fear of straying off topic, I agree no one has such a plan.
thats always been the biggest problem Andrew no 1 person had a plan and why we still in this mess

ianch99 14-07-2019 17:31
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Pierre, continuing our discussion about the next PM:

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I can see that you are trying to justify the choice of Johnson as PM but why justify it?
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No I’m not. Just saying I don’t think he’s a racist.


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is he fit to rule the country at this most critical time?
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I don’t think he’ll take us into a war, I don’t think he’ll take us into financial Armageddon......I mean he might, but that doesn’t predispose him from becoming PM does it?


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Don't hide behind tribal constructs, be honest and ask the question: is he capable of making objective, mature and insightful decisions regards the nation's future destiny. Don't compare him to a choice of two, compare him to the decades past and then answer honestly.
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I don’t know, i’m Willing to see what he can do.
I am curious why you do not take the position of Seph, for example, and conclude that neither are fit to be the PM?

I concede that concluding Johnson is racist is quite a subjective decision. Some believe what he has said constitutes dog whistle racism and some think that he is just being "Boris". This avenue of criticism is a bit of a side show to be honest.

My main concern is that he does not have the temperament to make the correct "big" decisions at the right time. His recent interviews highlighted this. Supporting someone because he is telling you anything you want to hear is not a ringing endorsement.

Any old snake oil salesmen can promise anything but a PM needs to be make of the "right" stuff and I feel that Johnson is not cut from that cloth.

Carth 14-07-2019 20:04
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
I was always under the impression (probably wrongly) that the PM was usually guided along his/her decision making by the people in the background offering expert advice and information on the matter in hand . .

. . like Blair and Iraq

or Thatcher and The Falklands

or even May and Brexit . . . err hang on . . :scratch:

seems I was totally off planet on that one, carry on :D

Sephiroth 14-07-2019 21:10
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
I have seen my name prayed in aid a couple of times. For me, none of the above is because Hunt is a Remainer who will be seen as soft by the EU. Boris is an untrustworthy buffoon.

Hugh 14-07-2019 21:38
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36002600)
I was always under the impression (probably wrongly) that the PM was usually guided along his/her decision making by the people in the background offering expert advice and information on the matter in hand . .

. . like Blair and Iraq

or Thatcher and The Falklands

or even May and Brexit . . . err hang on . . :scratch:

seems I was totally off planet on that one, carry on :D
In my 45 years of work, having undertaken many interviews (and been on an interview panel for many, many more, at all levels, from technician to Director level), it’s never been a mitigating factor if someone is not suitable for the position that they "have a good team in place" - they are the leader and role model for the team, not someone who needs people in place to moderate their excesses.

Pierre 14-07-2019 21:54
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36002588)
Pierre, continuing our discussion about the next PM:



I am curious why you do not take the position of Seph, for example, and conclude that neither are fit to be the PM?
Because one of them will be. So best choose one.

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I concede that concluding Johnson is racist is quite a subjective decision. Some believe what he has said constitutes dog whistle racism and some think that he is just being "Boris". This avenue of criticism is a bit of a side show to be honest.

My main concern is that he does not have the temperament to make the correct "big" decisions at the right time. His recent interviews highlighted this. Supporting someone because he is telling you anything you want to hear is not a ringing endorsement.

Any old snake oil salesmen can promise anything but a PM needs to be make of the "right" stuff and I feel that Johnson is not cut from that cloth.
But between Johnson and Hunt, we’ve already had hunt. She was called May. That turned out well.

1andrew1 14-07-2019 22:33
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36002626)
But between Johnson and Hunt, we’ve already had hunt. She was called May. That turned out well.
She was at least not promising to spend 50% more than Jeremy Corbyn!

Maggy 14-07-2019 23:55
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36002614)
In my 45 years of work, having undertaken many interviews (and been on an interview panel for many, many more, at all levels, from technician to Director level), it’s never been a mitigating factor if someone is not suitable for the position that they "have a good team in place" - they are the leader and role model for the team, not someone who needs people in place to moderate their excesses.
:tu:

ianch99 15-07-2019 01:16
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36002607)
I have seen my name prayed in aid a couple of times. For me, none of the above is because Hunt is a Remainer who will be seen as soft by the EU. Boris is an untrustworthy buffoon.
What on earth does "prayed in aid" mean?

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36002626)
Because one of them will be. So best choose one.



But between Johnson and Hunt, we’ve already had hunt. She was called May. That turned out well.
You are missing the point: why endorse one if they are both the wrong choice?

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36002614)
In my 45 years of work, having undertaken many interviews (and been on an interview panel for many, many more, at all levels, from technician to Director level), it’s never been a mitigating factor if someone is not suitable for the position that they "have a good team in place" - they are the leader and role model for the team, not someone who needs people in place to moderate their excesses.
Ah, an introduction of logic and reason. Strange characteristics in these them parts ..

1andrew1 15-07-2019 02:58
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36002659)
What on earth does "prayed in aid" mean?
It only has one meaning - someone has been celebrating the cricket! :beer::cleader:

OLD BOY 15-07-2019 07:43
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36002659)
You are missing the point: why endorse one if they are both the wrong choice?
Because there is no third choice. Ever heard of the best of a bad bunch?

denphone 15-07-2019 08:37
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002670)
Because there is no third choice. Ever heard of the best of a bad bunch?
Best of a bad bunch crikey that is not saying a lot!! then as far as l am concerned they won't be getting my vote...

OLD BOY 15-07-2019 08:48
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36002674)
Best of a bad bunch crikey that is not saying a lot!! then as far as l am concerned they won't be getting my vote...
You don’t get to vote, Den. :D

denphone 15-07-2019 08:54
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002680)
You don’t get to vote, Den. :D
l know that OB but my sentiments still apply..;)

Mr K 15-07-2019 09:01
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002680)
You don’t get to vote, Den. :D
Like 99.8% of the population.....

OLD BOY 15-07-2019 09:02
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36002683)
l know that OB but my sentiments still apply..;)
Except, again, there is no-one better that you can actually vote for at the next election. Unless you want to go for whoever wins the leadership for the Lib Dem’s!

denphone 15-07-2019 09:18
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002686)
Except, again, there is no-one better that you can actually vote for at the next election. Unless you want to go for whoever wins the leadership for the Lib Dem’s!
l certainly won't be voting for any of the two main parties given that voting for Johnson and Corbyn would be a bit like scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of putting my vote next to them.

l will be voting but certainly not for any of those two come a General Election.

Mr K 15-07-2019 09:27
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002686)
Except, again, there is no-one better that you can actually vote for at the next election. Unless you want to go for whoever wins the leadership for the Lib Dem’s!
The problem with this process for the Tory party is that Boris maybe popular with its grumpy right wing old white men members - but they are living in a bubble. The public think he's a buffoon, which will reinforced with the repeated cock ups he'll make. He's a gift for Corbyn It's a race to the bottom in more ways than one for the future of this country.

ianch99 15-07-2019 10:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002670)
Because there is no third choice. Ever heard of the best of a bad bunch?
Again, the point goes sailing past. I give up ..

Pierre 15-07-2019 10:47
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36002659)

You are missing the point: why endorse one if they are both the wrong choice?..
We’re getting one of them, and out of the two I’d rather have him. That said out of all the Tory party i can’t think of anyone I’d want.

Which is damning really.

ianch99 15-07-2019 10:48
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36002704)
We’re getting one of them, and out of the two I’d rather have him. That said out of all the Tory party i can’t think of anyone I’d want.

Which is damning really.
Thank you ..

Pierre 15-07-2019 10:51
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36002696)
The problem with this process for the Tory party is that Boris maybe popular with its grumpy right wing old white men members - but they are living in a bubble. The public think he's a buffoon, which will reinforced with the repeated cock ups he'll make. He's a gift for Corbyn It's a race to the bottom in more ways than one for the future of this country.
Corbyn has been given many gifts and failed to capitalise on any of them.[COLOR="Silver"]

ianch99 15-07-2019 10:57
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Jonson is already wandering off into fantasy land. He seems to have unrealistic expectations of Trump:

Liam Fox says Boris Johnson's ambition to get US to adopt UK food standards in trade deal unrealistic

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In his Today interview Liam Fox, the international trade secretary, was also asked about a recent claim by Boris Johnson, the favourite in the Tory leadership contest, that the UK should try to get the US to adopt British food standards in a trade deal. At a hustings last week Johnson said:

I don’t want us to do any deal with the US which in anyway jeopardises our animal welfare standards or our food hygiene standards. The quality of food in this country must be protected and if anything we should be insisting that if the Americans want to trade with us they should be obeying our standards.

When asked if he thought this was realistic, Fox told Today:

Well, I think if you go to the US and you say we are going to take any discussions on agricultural access off the agenda, you’ll find that they close down pretty quickly in terms of their willingness to discuss things. When you go into a trade negotiation, both sides will have their asks, both sides will have their defensive elements, but it is certainly true that we should be trying to get an agreement with the United States as quickly as we possibly

Carth 15-07-2019 11:30
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36002708)
Jonson is already wandering off into fantasy land. He seems to have unrealistic expectations of Trump:

Quote:
if anything we should be insisting that if the Americans want to trade with us they should be obeying our standards.
I don't see a problem with that, maybe you've forgotten the many posts on here about their chlorinated chicken :p:

OLD BOY 15-07-2019 13:35
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36002703)
Again, the point goes sailing past. I give up ..
I assumeyou are talking about the small number of people who are able to vote. In which case, no, the point has not gone sailing past - we all know that is the case.

We didn't get to vote Gordon Brown in either when he took over from Tony Blair, so I don't know why this tradition is suddenly so significant for you.

Only party members vote for their leader. Nothing wrong with that. If you want a vote in the future, join!

Sephiroth 15-07-2019 15:45
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36002659)
What on earth does "prayed in aid" mean?<SNIP>
.

To those with little or no access to Google:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pray_in_aid

ianch99 15-07-2019 16:07
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36002748)

To those with little or no access to Google:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pray_in_aid
Other search engines are available :)

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36002710)
I don't see a problem with that, maybe you've forgotten the many posts on here about their chlorinated chicken :p:
Really? Ok, I get it, the posts on CF are reason enough for Trump to change the US food standards :)

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The next banana skin for Johnson to navigate is Trump's racist remarks from yesterday. TM has already come out strong condemning them so the obvious question will be proposed to Johnson & Hunt in the final physical hustings:

May condemns Trump's remarks about four congresswomen

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Theresa May has criticised Donald Trump’s “completely unacceptable” language towards four Democratic congresswomen, which has been condemned as racist, putting pressure on her likely successor, Boris Johnson, to speak out as well.

May took the unusual step of commenting on US domestic politics after Trump made reference to the outspoken women, only one of whom is foreign-born, saying on Twitter that they should “go back and help fix” their “broken and crime-infested” countries.

Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt under pressure to denounce Trump over racist tweets - live news

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Have checked with Johnson/Hunt teams and as of 11am neither are criticising Trump's racist tweets (maybe they will be asked at tonight's debate)

BenMcr 15-07-2019 16:15
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002732)
I assumeyou are talking about the small number of people who are able to vote. In which case, no, the point has not gone sailing past - we all know that is the case.

We didn't get to vote Gordon Brown in either when he took over from Tony Blair, so I don't know why this tradition is suddenly so significant for you.

Only party members vote for their leader. Nothing wrong with that. If you want a vote in the future, join!
Gordon Brown was elected by Labour MPs who in turn were elected by due electoral process:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_L...rship_election

MPs have a mandate from their constituents, so there is still representation of the electorate when MPs vote for a new leader who will also become Prime Minister.

This is also how previous Conservative leaders were elected when the party was in power:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_C...rship_election

My understanding is that this is the first time that members of any political party, and not elected MPs, have had a final vote for a party leader that will also become Prime Minister. The issue is that the party members have no mandate of their own from the wider electorate.

The same issue would happen if or when other party members vote for a new leader that would also automatically become Prime Minister. It's not an issue specifically directed at the Conservatives, other than they are the ones currently in office.

ianch99 15-07-2019 16:24
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36002757)
Gordon Brown was elected by Labour MPs who in turn were elected in a general election:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_L...rship_election

MPs have a electoral mandate from their constituents, so there is still representation of the electorate when MPs vote for a new leader that will also become Prime Minister.

This is also how previous Conservative leaders were elected when the party was in power.

My understanding is that this is the first time that members of any political party, and not elected MPs, have had a final vote for a party leader that will also become Prime Minister. The issue is that the party members have no electoral mandate of their own from the wider electorate.

The same issue would happen if or when other party members vote for a new leader that would also automatically become Prime Minister. It's not an issue specifically directed at the Conservatives, other than they are the ones currently in office.
It has been said before but it worth repeating:

“Without a mandate from the British people”: how Boris Johnson described Gordon Brown in 2007

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“The extraordinary thing is that it looks as though he will now be in 10 Downing Street for three years, and without a mandate from the British people. No one elected Gordon Brown as Prime Minister…”
You couldn't make it up if you tried ..

OLD BOY 15-07-2019 17:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36002762)
It has been said before but it worth repeating:

“Without a mandate from the British people”: how Boris Johnson described Gordon Brown in 2007



You couldn't make it up if you tried ..
I guess he takes the view that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Sephiroth 15-07-2019 17:42
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
I suspect that Boris may have a much shorter tenure than 3 years.
Try whatever time arises from a no confidence vote. The new PM takes office the day before the parliamentary recess.

Hugh 15-07-2019 18:17
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002777)
I guess he takes the view that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
Well, he is renowned for his "goosing"... ;)

Mobes 15-07-2019 20:15
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36002626)
Because one of them will be. So best choose one.
Good to know you’d chose the racist over the non racist!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002670)
Because there is no third choice. Ever heard of the best of a bad bunch?
The best of a bad bunch is a racist over a non racist?

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It’s bitter pill to swallow that we’ll have a 2nd ‘unelected’ Pm in nearly as many years but we live in a Parliamentary democracy and that’s how it works! We don’t directly elect a leader we elect a party that chooses its leader!

I believe we should bring in a bill that means when a PM resigns it automatically triggers an election because , Parliamentary democracy aside, many people will vote, or indeed not vote because of the person who will eventually be !

Sephiroth 15-07-2019 20:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobes (Post 36002796)
Good to know you’d chose the racist over the non racist!

---------- Post added at 19:10 ---------- Previous post was at 19:08 ----------



The best of a bad bunch is a racist over a non racist?

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It’s bitter pill to swallow that we’ll have a 2nd ‘unelected’ Pm in nearly as many years but we live in a Parliamentary democracy and that’s how it works! We don’t directly elect a leader we elect a party that chooses its leader!

I believe we should bring in a bill that means when a PM resigns it automatically triggers an election because , Parliamentary democracy aside, many people will vote, or indeed not vote because of the person who will eventually be !
It'll be interesting to see how peops respond to that.
On the face of it, the suggestion makes sense. However, I haven't dug deeper to consider what other constitutional implications there may be.
Also, I'm not sure that the electorate votes for a PM - but rather a balance of risk as to party + PM vs the other lot's same.

ianch99 15-07-2019 20:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36002801)
It'll be interesting to see how peops respond to that.
On the face of it, the suggestion makes sense. However, I haven't dug deeper to consider what other constitutional implications there may be.
Also, I'm not sure that the electorate votes for a PM - but rather a balance of risk as to party + PM vs the other lot's same.
It does make sense but with some caveats:

1. you could argue if the current Government has a large majority (> 50?) then a change of leader may not alter the mandate from the GE. Not convinced 100% but it has some merit
2. if the new leader is proposing a major policy shift relative to the last GE manifesto then a new GE would almost always be meritted

Mobes 15-07-2019 22:45
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36002801)
It'll be interesting to see how peops respond to that.
On the face of it, the suggestion makes sense. However, I haven't dug deeper to consider what other constitutional implications there may be.
Also, I'm not sure that the electorate votes for a PM - but rather a balance of risk as to party + PM vs the other lot's same.
I fully believe a lot of people vote for the leader and not the party.

Saw it with Thatcher, Major and Blair. Many switched parties due to who they trusted and feared.

I'm a Labour supporter but won't vote Labour until Corbyn is gone.

I'll also add that no new PM has the obligation to carry out the manifesto or direction that the old PM had. You hear it many times from Johnson's idiot supporters.

That alone would persuade me a GE is needed each time there's a new PM.

ianch99 16-07-2019 09:40
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Well, No Deal it is then unless, of course, they are not telling us the truth :) :


Hunt and Johnson: the backstop is dead and can't be in any EU deal

Both leadership candidates have declared:

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Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt have declared the Northern Ireland backstop “dead” and promised to throw it out of any deal they negotiate with the EU, in comments that significantly harden their Brexit positions.

The Tory leadership rivals both ruled out trying to tweak the backstop, which critics said could trap the UK indefinitely in a customs union with the EU.

They said it would not feature in any deal with the EU, saying it was no good to have a time limit on it or a way of the UK exiting it unilaterally – even though Eurosceptics had previously indicated they could vote for such compromises.

OLD BOY 16-07-2019 09:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36002847)
Well, No Deal it is then unless, of course, they are not telling us the truth :) :


Hunt and Johnson: the backstop is dead and can't be in any EU deal

Both leadership candidates have declared:
Well, there's no point in flogging a dead horse, is there? How many more times does anyone have to put May's 'deal'to the vote only for it to be rejected?

Been there, got the T-shirt......

tweetiepooh 16-07-2019 11:33
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I vote for my MP so a change in PM doesn't really mean to much in too many cases.

That said, if someone in the past says that a change in PM should result in a GE that should apply in all cases.

Mr K 16-07-2019 12:31
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002777)
I guess he takes the view that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
No he's a hypocrite, could add lmany other words too ! The upside is that in a few weeks time all his lies will be exposed for what they are, anything to get him and his nutty latest bit of fluff into Downing St.... He can hold a jolly good parties there I should think, don't envy the neighbours ;)

Chris 16-07-2019 17:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36002859)
No he's a hypocrite, could add lmany other words too ! The upside is that in a few weeks time all his lies will be exposed for what they are, anything to get him and his nutty latest bit of fluff into Downing St.... He can hold a jolly good parties there I should think, don't envy the neighbours ;)
Well the neighbours would be whoever he’s promised the Treasury to, so you’d hope they’d get invites to all the parties ...

Damien 16-07-2019 17:38
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36002886)
Well the neighbours would be whoever he’s promised the Treasury to, so you’d hope they’d get invites to all the parties ...
Hasn't always worked for previous incumbents :erm:

richard s 16-07-2019 21:51
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Boris will also be bottom licking Donald Trump and will also ask Farage to be Ambassador for the UK. In the meantime Ann Widdercombe will become speaker of the house, Jacob Reese-Mogg will become Chancellor and so on.



Some light reading on the CONservative party.


https://ig.ft.com/brexit-tory-tribes/

Damien 16-07-2019 22:00
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Boris Johnson won't ask Farage to be Ambassador. He isn't qualified, he isn't a civil servant and we don't appoint ambassadors because they are mates with the President.

Mr K 17-07-2019 08:24
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36002933)
Boris Johnson won't ask Farage to be Ambassador. He isn't qualified, he isn't a civil servant and we don't appoint ambassadors because they are mates with the President.
He might you know.... The deal might already be done as long as he winds up the Brexit party. They should both get knighthoods for service to themselves....

Hugh 17-07-2019 08:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36002969)
He might you know.... The deal might already be done as long as he winds up the Brexit party. They should both get knighthoods for service to themselves....
He won’t - it’s not how it works in this country.

It’s a step too far, even for BJ.

Damien 17-07-2019 09:40
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
I don't think Boris Johnson is a fan of Farage anyway. They're both Leavers but for very different reasons. Boris Johnson's instincts appear to be more liberal and less nationalistic, Farage is very much someone whose instincts are insular. If it weren't for Brexit these two men would be on polar opposites of the conservative spectrum.

ianch99 17-07-2019 11:13
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36002969)
He might you know.... The deal might already be done as long as he winds up the Brexit party. They should both get knighthoods for service to themselves....
Nah, Farage is just not smart enough to be an ambassador ..

---------- Post added at 10:13 ---------- Previous post was at 08:42 ----------

Well I never ...

EXCL Tories branded ‘hypocrites’ for letting under-18s pick next PM but blocking votes at 16

Quote:
The Conservatives offers membership to people aged under 23 for just £5 a year - with "full voting rights" given to any members aged 15 or over.

a cross-party bill to lower the UK voting age foundered in the Commons in 2017 after Tory MPs were accused of talking it out, and successive Prime Ministers have spoken out against change.

In the same year, Theresa May said: "You have to pick a point at which you think it is right for the voting age to be. I continue to think it is right for it to be 18."

The Conservative Party did not respond to a request for comment.

But party's most recent membership forms state that members aged 15 or above "qualify for full voting rights".

And a string of local Tory websites say that there is "no upper or lower age limit on membership, although children under the age of 15 cannot be enrolled as full voting members".

Jeremy Hunt's campaign meanwhile published a video earlier this month featuring a 17 year-old Conservative member who said he had cast his vote in the leadership race to "battle that stereotype that our age group are uninformed".
In case you think this is all made up, here's the Rutland and Melton Conservatives:

https://www.rutlandmeltonconservativ...e-party-member

Quote:
Any person living in the United Kingdom is eligible to join the Conservative Party. Applicants are not required to be registered voters or UK nationals. There is no upper or lower age limit on membership, although children under the age of 15 cannot be enrolled as full voting members.
We must capitalise on this current resurgence, and strive for a larger, stronger and co-ordinated membership.

The principal benefit of membership of the Conservative Party is the right to participate. Paid up members of the Conservative Party have the following rights:

• A vote in the selection of candidates for Westminster and Europe
• A vote in the election of Constituency Association Officers
• One member, one vote in the election of the Leader of the Party
• Representation on the governing board of the Party
• The opportunity to attend Party Conference
• Access to an Ethics and Integrity Committee to ensure high standards
• Social & Political events throughout the year
• Decisions on key policy ideas for the next General Election
Cue Labour whataboutery :)

OLD BOY 17-07-2019 15:48
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36002987)


Cue Labour whataboutery :)
As long as you get the irony...:D

ianch99 17-07-2019 17:24
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003043)
As long as you get the irony...:D
I do indeed :) You ignored the main point of the post and just commented on my last line ..

OLD BOY 17-07-2019 17:36
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36003049)
I do indeed :) You ignored the main point of the post and just commented on my last line ..
I have no issue with those comments, which is why I didn't respond to that part of your post. You have a point, fair enough.

ianch99 17-07-2019 17:55
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003054)
I have no issue with those comments, which is why I didn't respond to that part of your post. You have a point, fair enough.
Ok, thanks ..

Sephiroth 17-07-2019 19:45
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36002987)
Nah, Farage is just not smart enough to be an ambassador ..

---------- Post added at 10:13 ---------- Previous post was at 08:42 ----------

Well I never ...

EXCL Tories branded ‘hypocrites’ for letting under-18s pick next PM but blocking votes at 16


In case you think this is all made up, here's the Rutland and Melton Conservatives:

https://www.rutlandmeltonconservativ...e-party-member


Cue Labour whataboutery :)
I do hope, Ian, that an intelligent bloke like you doesn't fall for the hyprocisy argument. You've carefully not positioned yourself on this.

Allowing people at age 16 to join a party and vote in its processes is not the same as voting in an election. The two leadership candidates are already MPs and there is no conflict of logic here.

ianch99 17-07-2019 20:03
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36003075)
I do hope, Ian, that an intelligent bloke like you doesn't fall for the hyprocisy argument. You've carefully not positioned yourself on this.

Allowing people at age 16 to join a party and vote in its processes is not the same as voting in an election. The two leadership candidates are already MPs and there is no conflict of logic here.
Who said I wuz intelligent? :)

I am afraid I have a different perspective on this. Choosing the leader of our country has, in some ways, more significance that voting for your MP.

You might have one candidate who is proposing a significant change in the future direction of the country. You totally want the appropriate people to validate this decision.

If the Tories think you cannot vote for your MP at 15 then they should certainly not be able to decide the person who will make the most important policy decision for a generation or more.

Chris 17-07-2019 20:59
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36003077)
Who said I wuz intelligent? :)

I am afraid I have a different perspective on this. Choosing the leader of our country has, in some ways, more significance that voting for your MP.

You might have one candidate who is proposing a significant change in the future direction of the country. You totally want the appropriate people to validate this decision.

If the Tories think you cannot vote for your MP at 15 then they should certainly not be able to decide the person who will make the most important policy decision for a generation or more.
Your logic is faulty because you’re still using lazy tabloid shorthand rather than acknowledging constitutional reality.

Party members don’t choose prime ministers. Not ever. There is a whole process following the leadership election, requiring the advice of the sitting PM, the confidence of the Commons and the assent of the Monarch. Most often the elected leader becomes leader of the opposition anyway.

We don’t elect a leader, we elect a representative (not a deputy or delegate) who is charged with using their best judgment on our behalf for the following five years, etc etc etc etc

Damien 17-07-2019 22:42
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
I don't see what great wisdom difference there is that means someone at 16 can choose a party leader but can't vote in a general election.

1andrew1 17-07-2019 23:22
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36003100)
I don't see what great wisdom difference there is that means someone at 16 can choose a party leader but can't vote in a general election.
Agreed, it's an intellectually-moribund argument. People are just trying to support their favourite political parties' policies which doesn't progress society.

ianch99 17-07-2019 23:54
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36003086)
Your logic is faulty because you’re still using lazy tabloid shorthand rather than acknowledging constitutional reality.

Party members don’t choose prime ministers. Not ever. There is a whole process following the leadership election, requiring the advice of the sitting PM, the confidence of the Commons and the assent of the Monarch. Most often the elected leader becomes leader of the opposition anyway.

We don’t elect a leader, we elect a representative (not a deputy or delegate) who is charged with using their best judgment on our behalf for the following five years, etc etc etc etc
Again you choose to ignore the point I made and that was the hypocrisy of the process when compared to the rules set for the 2016 referendum, etc. I thought the point was a bloody obvious one .. others got it except you it seems.

Also, don't give me that pompous "Party members don’t choose prime ministers. Not ever." crap. Come back here in 2 weeks (ish) time and tell me that the person chosen by the (15 year old ;) ) Tory Party membership is not the next Prime Minister.

Chris 18-07-2019 00:09
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Not pompous - constitutionally accurate. Detail matters.

Sephiroth 18-07-2019 08:10
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36003100)
I don't see what great wisdom difference there is that means someone at 16 can choose a party leader but can't vote in a general election.
I agree on the narrow point about wisdom. But picking up on the sentiment, rules for party membership have nothing to do with electoral roll rules.

Damien 18-07-2019 08:28
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36003131)
I agree on the narrow point about wisdom. But picking up on the sentiment, rules for party membership have nothing to do with electoral roll rules.
Nope. But the Tories have to right with their membership rules but successive governments have it wrong on voting age IMO.

Maggy 18-07-2019 09:51
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
The position of Prime Minister is not a constitutional one thus there is no need to hold a vote for the next PM. The PM has always been the head of the party that holds the most MPs..There is no need to hold an election every time that leader retires,dies or is forced by their party to step down as leader of their party.

General elections are expensive affairs which is why they are restricted to only being held when time is up or when a sitting PM is stupid enough to think they can increase the number of MPs in their party by holding a snap election.

ianch99 18-07-2019 09:55
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36003110)
Not pompous - constitutionally accurate. Detail matters.
Hah! So what does paragraph 5c say? :)

---------- Post added at 08:53 ---------- Previous post was at 08:51 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 36003142)
The position of Prime Minister is not a constitutional one thus there is no need to hold a vote for the next PM. The PM has always been the head of the party that holds the most MPs..There is no need to hold an election every time that leader retires,dies or is forced by their party to step down as leader of their party.

General elections are expensive affairs which is why they are restricted to only being held when time is up or when a sitting PM is stupid enough to think they can increase the number of MPs in their party by holding a snap election.
What if the new PM aims to depart (significantly) from the policy agenda his predecessor was elected on?

---------- Post added at 08:55 ---------- Previous post was at 08:53 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36003131)
I agree on the narrow point about wisdom. But picking up on the sentiment, rules for party membership have nothing to do with electoral roll rules.
The credibility of the party is undermined if they impose voting constraints on the wider population whilst not imposing the same on themselves.

Pierre 18-07-2019 10:40
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 36003142)
The position of Prime Minister is not a constitutional one thus there is no need to hold a vote for the next PM. The PM has always been the head of the party that holds the most MPs..There is no need to hold an election every time that leader retires,dies or is forced by their party to step down as leader of their party.

General elections are expensive affairs which is why they are restricted to only being held when time is up or when a sitting PM is stupid enough to think they can increase the number of MPs in their party by holding a snap election.
Best post I've read on here for a while.

Mr K 18-07-2019 11:11
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36003153)
Best post I've read on here for a while.
I think the problem is the hypocrisy of some people saying different when it was Gordon Brown (Mr Bozza Blobby the chief culprit).

Hugh 18-07-2019 13:40
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
It would appear BJ doesn't know what he is talking about...

In the final hustings meeting, he brandished a kipper and said that the manufacturer, because of EU rules, had to wrap the kipper in plastic and put in a plastic ice pillow to keep it fresh.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...llows-exposed/

These are UK rules, not EU - the EU does not regulate the sales of smoked fish to consumer, only business to business.
Quote:
Boris Johnson's claims that the EU forces smoked kipper producers to pack their fish with an "ice pillow" are false, with the relevant food safety rules being written in Britain rather than Westminster.

Mr Johnson wielded a packaged smoked kipper above his head at the final Tory leadership hustings on Wednesday and promised to cut Britain free of Brussels red tape after Brexit.

He was reportedly handed the kipper by a newspaper editor, who claimed he had been sent the fish by an Isle of Man fishmonger who complained of the cost of the Brussels-imposed ice pillow.

But the rules that force the deployment of the pillow are British rules. The EU does not have the power to regulate the sales of smoked fish, only fresh.
The EU has broad rules saying that food should be safe but nothing asking for the ice pillow - that is a British addition designed to stop Listeria, a problem with smoked products.

Carth 18-07-2019 13:49
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Where was the Kipper caught, and who by?

Was it a Male or Female Kipper?

Was the process of smoking the Kipper followed correctly according to rules & legislation?

These are the questions the Public need answering, no life changing decisions can be made unless we have access to the full facts surrounding the case

papa smurf 18-07-2019 14:24
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36003211)
Where was the Kipper caught, and who by?

Was it a Male or Female Kipper?

Was the process of smoking the Kipper followed correctly according to rules & legislation?

These are the questions the Public need answering, no life changing decisions can be made unless we have access to the full facts surrounding the case
It was a none binary kipper,you you you Towny you ;)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36003207)
It would appear BJ doesn't know what he is talking about...

In the final hustings meeting, he brandished a kipper and said that the manufacturer, because of EU rules, had to wrap the kipper in plastic and put in a plastic ice pillow to keep it fresh.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...llows-exposed/

These are UK rules, not EU - the EU does not regulate the sales of smoked fish to consumer, only business to business.

The EU has broad rules saying that food should be safe but nothing asking for the ice pillow - that is a British addition designed to stop Listeria, a problem with smoked products.
Never had that with woodbines;)

ianch99 18-07-2019 15:34
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36003207)
It would appear BJ doesn't know what he is talking about...
First sentence is enough ..

Some good news, Johnson's possible plan to prorogue Parliament has been made that much harder to enact:

MPs pass amendment seeking to thwart no-deal Brexit prorogation

Quote:
Johnson, the clear favourite to be declared winner of the Conservative leadership contest against Jeremy Hunt next week, and thus replace Theresa May as prime minister, has repeatedly refused to rule out using prorogation to ensure a no-deal Brexit on 31 October.

The scale of the victory highlights the struggle he will have to impose his will over Brexit, or other subjects, on a Commons without a Tory majority, and where much Conservative internal discipline has broken down.

Hugh 18-07-2019 16:15
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Just to keep things on track - as long as the subject is still the Leadership, Brexit-adjacent topics are allowed.

If it turns into a Brexit thread, posts will be deleted.

OLD BOY 18-07-2019 17:07
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36003239)
First sentence is enough ..

Some good news, Johnson's possible plan to prorogue Parliament has been made that much harder to enact:

MPs pass amendment seeking to thwart no-deal Brexit prorogation
What is it with MPs that they have to give away their strategies in advance? It could only happen here!

I hope that when Boris gets in, he will play things closer to his chest. If I read him correctly, he will. He seems to be giving the press as little ammunition to use against him as possible, which seems like a good plan.

denphone 18-07-2019 17:15
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003253)
What is it with MPs that they have to give away their strategies in advance? It could only happen here!

I hope that when Boris gets in, he will play things closer to his chest. If I read him correctly, he will. He seems to be giving the press as little ammunition to use against him as possible, which seems like a good plan.
Just like Theresa Mays plan as that was such a good plan according to you.

OLD BOY 18-07-2019 17:20
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36003256)
Just like Theresa Mays plan as that was such a good plan according to you.
It was a pretty good idea to have a transition arrangement. Unfortunately, she was too accommodating to the EU and couldn't see the problem with a permanent backstop.

ianch99 18-07-2019 17:37
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003253)
What is it with MPs that they have to give away their strategies in advance? It could only happen here!

I hope that when Boris gets in, he will play things closer to his chest. If I read him correctly, he will. He seems to be giving the press as little ammunition to use against him as possible, which seems like a good plan.
I actually think Johnson was bluffing when he said he would not rule this out. Raab may have done this but Johnson is more concerned with his historical legacy than anything and denying Parliamentary Sovereignty to gain Parliamentary Sovereignty would not be his finest hour looking back.

---------- Post added at 16:37 ---------- Previous post was at 16:35 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36003248)
Just to keep things on track - as long as the subject is still the Leadership, Brexit-adjacent topics are allowed.

If it turns into a Brexit thread, posts will be deleted.
Can you remind us all why this forum is denying a discussion on this the most current of Current Affairs?

Sephiroth 18-07-2019 17:53
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36003133)
Nope. But the Tories have to right with their membership rules but successive governments have it wrong on voting age IMO.
There I disagree with you. I want voters to at least have got some in, know something about taxation and what it buys, pensions, current affairs.

Hugh 18-07-2019 18:11
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36003268)
There I disagree with you. I want voters to at least have got some in, know something about taxation and what it buys, pensions, current affairs.
Well that rules out a reasonable percentage of people of all ages...

Maggy 18-07-2019 18:44
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36003265)
I actually think Johnson was bluffing when he said he would not rule this out. Raab may have done this but Johnson is more concerned with his historical legacy than anything and denying Parliamentary Sovereignty to gain Parliamentary Sovereignty would not be his finest hour looking back.

---------- Post added at 16:37 ---------- Previous post was at 16:35 ----------



Can you remind us all why this forum is denying a discussion on this the most current of Current Affairs?
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=3934

ianch99 18-07-2019 19:21
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 36003279)
I have read this.

Quote:
until there are actual developments regarding Brexit.
Really? There are plenty of Brexit related things going on. Things that matter.

Things like:

- the threat of no-deal Brexit prorogation of Parliament and the responses to block it
- the OBR report into the economic impact of No Deal
- the Royal Society analysis into the damage to scientific research in the UK following a Bad/No Deal

Mick 18-07-2019 19:57
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36003289)
I have read this.



Really? There are plenty of Brexit related things going on. Things that matter.

Things like:

- the threat of no-deal Brexit prorogation of Parliament and the responses to block it
- the OBR report into the economic impact of No Deal
- the Royal Society analysis into the damage to scientific research in the UK following a Bad/No Deal
These are not developments.

Parliament could still be prorogued.

OBR Report - would this be version 234113212221 C? (Rhetorical Question)

More project fear analysis.

Enough of taking this thread off-topic, you have been repeatedly advised, if you have a site query, use the correct procedure.

OLD BOY 18-07-2019 20:36
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36003265)
I actually think Johnson was bluffing when he said he would not rule this out. Raab may have done this but Johnson is more concerned with his historical legacy than anything and denying Parliamentary Sovereignty to gain Parliamentary Sovereignty would not be his finest hour looking back.
I agree. I think his style as PM will be just to keep things open. Every time somebody opens their mouths about what they plan to do, somebody steps in to try and thwart it. Time to give less notice of one's strategies, I think, so good progress can be made before they try to trip one up!

Hugh 18-07-2019 22:11
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003297)
I agree. I think his style as PM will be just to keep things open. Every time somebody opens their mouths about what they plan to do, somebody steps in to try and thwart it. Time to give less notice of one's strategies, I think, so good progress can be made before they try to trip one up!
Make it difficult to agree consensus, and enough Parliamentary votes, if they don’t tell anyone until the last moment...

OLD BOY 18-07-2019 23:30
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36003305)
Make it difficult to agree consensus, and enough Parliamentary votes, if they don’t tell anyone until the last moment...
What I mean is that leaders and prospective leaders are perpetually being pressured to rule things out when they actually provide leverage.in negotiations.

Every time a politician is asked what they might do if....they answer it and then there is this big push to prevent it. Laying all one's cards on the table may demonstrate honesty, but it makes a mockery of getting the best result.

Of course we should try to get consensus. It is unfortunate that Parliament don't seem to know what they want so they try to wreck everything instead.

I do think that when Boris is elected, he will push up the popularity ratings of the Conservative Party. I cannot wait for a timely General Election to ensure a working majority to avoid the current fiasco from being repeated. We cannot go on like this.

Sephiroth 19-07-2019 22:40
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Boris will need to acieve something popular before he calls a GE. In that context, Iran's actions would be a tempting case for reprisal action which, if executed competently, would guarantee him an election win.

Hugh 19-07-2019 22:48
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36003401)
Boris will need to acieve something popular before he calls a GE. In that context, Iran's actions would be a tempting case for reprisal action which, if executed competently, would guarantee him an election win.
Let’s not have a war to help BJ’s popularity, eh?

Sephiroth 19-07-2019 22:51
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36003404)
Let’s not have a war to help BJ’s popularity, eh?
I hope that's not an admonishment towards me.

Mr K 19-07-2019 22:55
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36003401)
Boris will need to acieve something popular before he calls a GE. In that context, Iran's actions would be a tempting case for reprisal action which, if executed competently, would guarantee him an election win.
So what you're saying is we need a war/lives lost to save Blobby ? (Aka Falklands/Mrs T) to divert from the fact he won't be able to deliver Brexit ? All sounds suitably bonkers from the mad side of the country.

OLD BOY 19-07-2019 22:55
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36003404)
Let’s not have a war to help BJ’s popularity, eh?
The Falklands didn't do Maggie Thatcher any harm! :sniper::ninja:

Hugh 19-07-2019 22:56
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36003406)
I hope that's not an admonishment towards me.
It’s toward any chickenhawks who advocate conflict to increase a politician’s popularity - it’s never they, or their families, who suffer the impact of the deaths or maiming of those directly involved in conflicts.

Mr K 19-07-2019 22:59
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003410)
The Falklands didn't do Maggie Thatcher any harm! :sniper::ninja:
It didn't do the 905 who died for some penguins any good.

OLD BOY 19-07-2019 23:05
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36003414)
It didn't do the 905 who died for some penguins any good.
Don't you start getting a humour deficiency, you are the only one keeping us sane with your perverse view of life! It's the way you tell 'em!

Obviously, I am not advocating any loss of life, that is the last thing most of us want. Unfortunately, I don't think the Iran thing is going to end well. You heard it here first.

daveeb 19-07-2019 23:12
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003415)
Don't you start getting a humour deficiency, you are the only one keeping us sane with your perverse view of life! It's the way you tell 'em!

Obviously, I am not advocating any loss of life, that is the last thing most of us want. Unfortunately, I don't think the Iran thing is going to end well. You heard it here first.

Who for ?

Sephiroth 19-07-2019 23:12
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36003409)
So what you're saying is we need a war/lives lost to save Blobby ? (Aka Falklands/Mrs T) to divert from the fact he won't be able to deliver Brexit ? All sounds suitably bonkers from the mad side of the country.
Not at all and why you would jump to that conclusion reflects badly on you. I'm speculating on what Boris could do to attain popularity.

daveeb 19-07-2019 23:13
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36003421)
Not at all and why you would jump to that conclusion reflects badly on you. I'm speculating on what Boris could do to attain popularity.

Whatever it takes I would imagine.

OLD BOY 19-07-2019 23:21
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36003421)
Not at all and why you would jump to that conclusion reflects badly on you. I'm speculating on what Boris could do to attain popularity.
Clearly, you have a poor opinion of Boris. You are now calling him a warmonger. Does he deserve that? Really?

Sephiroth 19-07-2019 23:23
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003425)
Clearly, you have a poor opinion of Boris. You are now calling him a warmonger. Does he deserve that? Really?
Yes - he and Hunt were "none of the above" for me. I don't like people I can't trust.

Did you have a vote?


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