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EU and USA trade deal in negotiations

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Agreed. There does seem to be quite little understanding of what no deal actually means. Carol Mortishead in today's Standard has a good attempt at clarifying some aspects of it.
https://www.standard.co.uk/business/...-a3896096.html

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According to Carol there is no such thing as MFN, how can there be? If Most Favoured Nation has to be offered to all WTO members then what's the point in having it?

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So contrary to the remainers at CF claiming leavers are regretting their vote support for Brexit is hardening.

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Wouldn't take much notice of selective polls from the Express. Most reliable polls are showing a shift against Brexit

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/06/23...dum-two-years/

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/07/31.png

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That poll has taken 2015 as a baseline. If you wanted to judge if people have changed since the vote (2016) you would need to take that as a baseline.

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I must congratulate you on your ability to find doom and gloom brexit story's, are you going for a world record attempt .

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I don't understand, after they way they have been acting, why anyone would think that the EU is a great thing to be a part of.

The original idea of leaving the EU single market and CU and re-establishing a new relationship via a FTA should have been a simple thing to arrange.

Simple because all the rules, regulations and standards the EU require goods and services to meet, we already adhere to.

But the EU want to make sure that Brexit is not a success, they want to ensure we are shackled to their courts and institutions and most importantly they want to ensure that we still pay into their budgets. Which is why they are playing the political game they are.

For the record, I voted remain not because of any love of the EU but because, pragmatically, I knew that we would end up still shackled to the EU, I new we'd end up accepting their Rules and Regs and paying into their budget, but not being at the table as a member. So what was the point in leaving?

And it looks I have been proven right.

Personally, I would walk away. It would be an economic shock, we don't know how bad.. or good. But we would recover, and I bet an FTA would be sorted out very quickly when lots of European suppliers realised that their products just got a whole more expensive to one of their biggest markets, who could now go elsewhere for cheaper alternatives.

The EU are not strong. Trump just wacked on a load of high tariffs, threatened a trade war and what did they do? Well they tried to retaliate by putting tariffs on Harleys etc but then Trump just threatened putting tariffs on all EU cars and within a week or two Junkers was over there saying they'll scrap tariffs on a lots of goods.

quote from Sky news.

You can say what you want about Trump, but he has a backbone and doesn't care who he upsets, but he got the result he wanted.

I would have thought we buy as many French, Spanish, Italian and especially German cars than the USA does.....................

I wish our leaders had any backbone

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They want that if we want to stay in the customs union or a variation of it and that was our suggestion. Their own suggestion, a Canada style deal, would not require it.

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Good news for no deal fans where we simply fall back to WTO schedules - we have submitted our proposed tarifff schedule to the WTO a couple of days ago. https://www.wto.org/english/news_e/n..._24jul18_e.htm

If there are no objections in three months, they will be accepted. If there are, negotiations will start between member countries

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EU has rejected May’s idea anyway. I guess it now depends if the Government want a FTA or attempt to delay the article 50 deadline to continue to try and get a bespoke one.

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They said both sides would work towards scrapping tariffs. They really just paused the trade war. Although there are some suggestions they might use that as a basis to revisit the EU-US trade deal. The US and the EU are both pretty strong. The US is the biggest economy in the world (followed by the EU). We can’t throw our weight around in the same way.

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can tell us if it no deal which is very likely what only country in world will be will 0 trade deals how can anyone want this is unbelievable

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You need to get out of that remainer bubble ,think of the opportunities ;)

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aye falling of cliff edge is gonna be great NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT sheshhhhhhhhhhhh why you think we stock piling food medicine and blood for sheshhhhhhh

and see you avoided the question what be only country in world with 0 trade deals

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We could get new customer discounts ;)

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Probably our best hope...

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Exactly. Size matters in trade negotiations but some seem to rank all countries equally like two players in a game of draughts.

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Saw a lot of unhappy punters queuing outside the Chunnel yesterday (for weather reasons). The Great British public had better get used to that, and it won't be weather related, however it's what they wanted !

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That’s just typical fear mongering bullshit at it’s finest Mr K. People can still sail or fly, to Europe destinations, or go elsewhere in the world, there are far better places than Europe. They won’t suddenly stop Brits going there, that’s economic suicide for them.

It’s totally expected that Remainers that have never accepted the referendum result, will step up their scaremongering strategies, with bollocks about the need to stockpile food and medicine and demonstrate false narratives that are purely designed to cause panic.

Anybody would wonder how the hell we managed back prior to joining the bloc back in the 70s. We did just fine, then we made a catastrophic decision to join the union that has handicapped us as well as fleece us, for over 40 years, no bloody more!

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Which parts of Europe have you been too? There are some extraordinary cities and locations in Europe. There are great places in other parts of the world too but Europe is rich with top places to go, it's got some of the oldest civilizations there - at least Western ones. Munich Beer Halls, Norwegian fjords whilst drinking beer, Budapest food (and beer). Paris. Haven't actually been to Rome but I am sure that's cool.

The issue with the channel will be how all these structures work. I imagine we'll be able to go into Europe without a visa, I am not sure how customs checks will work or how the flight area works. We can get agreements for all of this but you're on the one advocating we don't do a deal.

Since then we've built up many ties and built infrastructure within how the EU works. I.E No customs checks, agreements on flights and tons of regulation. We're now talking about just stopping that suddenly. 40+ years worth of work is not easily dismantled and replaced in 2 years.

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Which parts of Europe I have been to is irrelevant. You're doing that thing again, inventing things up I have never said. I never said there is no where decent to go in Europe, I said there is better places to go, than Europe and that is a factual analysis.

It's the EU that's being bloody difficult as always, demanding concessions all the time - they are a corrupt set of unelected old morons, who totally disgust me. I no longer want to be a EU Citizen, I absolutely detest everything about the EU and what it has become and what it wants to become.

Finally the Brits have a chance to stand up to these EU imbeciles and say no bloody more, we want out, that's how it should be if we had a strong PM.

As Inventor and Entrepreneur Sir James Dyson has said - Us leaving the EU, would hurt them more than it would hurt us.

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I was only asking were went as part of the discussion since it was about places to go.


I didn't say you didn't say there were not decent places to go in Europe. I said there are amazing places to go. It's not a 'factual analysis' to say there are better places to go, it's a subjective opinion. People like different things.



Their combined economy is far bigger than ours. Their base of possible customers far larger too.

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aye we be only country in world with 0 trade deals they still have all there's and doing one with USA now too we be just a little island of the cost of Europe so love to have James Dyson tell us that will make them worse of than us

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Ok, who has kidnapped Damien and replaced him with a Brexit Bot?

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Opps! fixed

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Can you do that in English ?

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WTF you calling the "Brexit bot" ? :mad:

You never learn. You are now suspended until further notice.

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I need to apologise here. When I saw Damien's reply that was obviously not in his style, I tried to make a joke that he had been replaced by a Facebook/Twitter style "Bot". I guess my joke did not come across as such :( Back to Joke School for me ..

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien
It's the EU that's being bloody difficult as always, demanding concessions all the time - they are a corrupt set of unelected old morons, who totally disgust me. I no longer want to be a EU Citizen, I absolutely detest everything about the EU and what it has become and what it wants to become.


But somewhat valid nevertheless! Certainly reflecting or partially reflecting a considerable body of opinion in this thread.

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It's not yet raining here in Rutland. It's all Juncker's fault!

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Fair enough - I apologise too - I totally took it the wrong way. I blame the heat. :Sun:

End result, total over reaction on my part and where I am wrong, I am not ashamed to admit it. I obviously removed the suspension when I was advised it wasn't what you had intended.

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According to Channel 5, we import 70% of the medicines that we need.

Senior civil servants are warning that, if we leave with a no deal Brexit, hospitals will run out of drugs within two weeks.

True?

Scaremongering?

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Well medicines are being stockpiled in case of no deal so make your own mind up. Project Fear is becoming reality.

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The underlined being the problem - many civil servants being Remainers, using scaremongering strategies, to scare people, make them panic, when there is absolutely no need to.

We managed in the 70's... we can and will manage again if people really truly believe that Britain can do things without the EU like we did 40 years to prior to ever joining the Union, sure let's do a deal but we do not want to be shackled to the EU and they tell us what we can and cannot do still, problem is there is saboteurs at every corner who want Brexit to fail, to prove and say, "I told you so.", it is so wrong and sad, a country should be able to thrive and strive on it's own without the meddling of a corrupt union, aka the EU.

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IWhy did we join if everything was so brilliant pre-EU then? And why were we desperate to join years before we were eventually accepted?

As for the corrupt EU, I still don't recall any major corruption. Are you looking to that uncorrupted pair of gangsters Trump/Putin for trade?

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Whats the Eu going to do shut down drug production or stockpile thousands of tons of drugs until the companies go bankrupt
how many Eu countries can afford to lose trade with the UK .
This is a bit like those airbuses that are going to fly without wings .

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Precisely - are these drug companies just going to stop producing billions of pounds worth of Medicine because the EU tells them to, I don't think so.

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I think Damien covered this point off earlier. No deal would result in congestion at ports so medicines will take longer to arrive in the UK. So a sensible but costly precaution to maintain a higher level of stocks.

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And that's all it is, nothing more than a sensible precaution which doesn't mean the former is true.

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I really hope that there won't be a shortage of drugs, I rely on a lot of medication to keep me going, as do many others.

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Depends on how confident you are in the competence of the government to manage the ports. :D

I don't think it will happen because I don't with the UK or the EU will let no-deal happen and instead have some sort of fudge that keeps all the EU stuff in place as part of the 'transition period' while talks continue.

People need to talk about what's actually happening though. No one has said the EU will stop selling us stuff.

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As do I for my “Disabilities”, but I refuse to be brainwashed with the bullshit stories of shortages, it’s some pathetic Remainers as civil servants and MPs, upping their scaremongering tactics. It should be treated for what it is, a big pile of steaming bullshit.

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You should know your history.............Because it was just a trading block at the time. The was no political slant sold to us.

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Pierre is right and we were right to join the EEC. I do recall, however, that Heath did it more or less on his own, though with a Parliamentary vote. Note that the Common Market became the EEC, then the EC and now the EU (since around 1993).

Talk about scope creep!

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Another thing is bothering me now. Not only was the 52/48 thing finely sort of balanced, but with the Japan FTA and perhaps a decent chance of a US FTA, the objective economic balance is moving.

If we can maintain our never closer union position (goes to the sovereignty backstop) then I can see a Remain vote if a second referendum occurred.

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Eu farmers working the fields / farms will not be told on the 29 march that their produce can't be sold to it's intended market ,and any border delays will just see them out of pocket as spoiled goods will not be accepted ,i doubt it will be long before the EU is at war with it's self over falling profits .

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Exactly. The Remainers portray the damage as a one way system all aimed at us, the EU will be hurt more badly than us, if everything stops dead with no deal. I want a deal, still be friends with Europe, but we don’t need to be in the EU to still trade and do business. I don’t want a bad deal though like the Chequers Paper. No deal is better than a bad deal.

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Given that day one of no deal could look like the below you may find a bad deal would be better than no deal.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8463636.html

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no they wont they still got all there trade deals we be only country in world with 0 trade deal and just be a insignificant island off the cost of Europe

no deal is the worst thing that can happen

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i take anything this rag publishes about brexit as totally biased rubbish .

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Sticking to the unbiased Fail/Express then Smurf ;)

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no not at all
this rag is even petitioning for "a peoples vote" why? because in the referendum the wrong people won .
i wouldn't wipe my backside on it if was desperate .

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The EU will be hurt but not more than us. They’ll still be able to continue with each other’s countries. They are a much bigger bloc both in terms of GDP and population. France and Germany along are big and rich nations. What makes you think they’ll be hurt more?

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The worst part of it is that the EU are behaving nastily towards us. Why would we want to be in their club given they've shown their true colours?

The Remainers on this thread have answered the above question. Although the Remainers haven't conceded that the EU is behaving nastily, they know it but feel that protection of our economy is more important than getting away from an EU that treats us so badly.

The EU logically says that it is we who decided to leave, so it is up to us to come up with relationship proposals that suit the EU. Nothing we propose that they perceive as being to our advantage will ever suit the EU.

Then we have a useless guvmin that couldn't get to grips with this day 1 reality. Fox and co had convinced themselves that a trade agreement with the EU would be a doddle; they'd called the EU names for years but never took steps in power to forestall the eventuality we are now facing.

As March approaches, appraisals of the type made above will grow in frequency and assertiveness and public unrest will grow.

A bubble then has to burst. First it is likely to be the Conservative Party although that can be avoided by a change of leader. Second, public unrest could be assuaged by a second referendum which I'm now certain will lead to a Remain decision by a larger than 52/48 ratio.

As I've said before, I don't mind remaining in the EU provided that we are not bound by "ever closer union" and we can use our picador sticks on them to get France's protective mantle lifted; to get Germany's illegal 8% surplus reduced to 3%; stay out of the Euro.

But as I'm not allowed to call the Brussels lot "turds" I can only lament as to how we got to this stage and how let down we are by the Guvmin.

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If people think this is bad wait for the shock you’ll all get when we start doing trade deals. :erm:

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I really wouldn't worry about that, Richard. It's scaremongering, pure and simple.

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No, a bad deal is the worst thing that could happen.

Incidentally, we have already been in discussions with other countries to secure trade deals after we leave the EU.

I should also remind you that we don't need trade deals in order to trade.

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That point does seem to pass the stallwart remainers by. :rolleyes:

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It isn’t, I’ve said that multiple times.

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Drug regulation is a big part of what I do for work. Will there be a shortage of drugs, the answer is ‘it depends’. A lot of drugs, particularly biological such as a number of cancer treatments (the ones wwith th generic names ending in MAB) are not actually approved directly by the MHRA, the UKs drug approvals body. Instead, we delegate this to the European Medicines Agency.

If one member of the EMA approves a drug, it is approved across the whole EU. It’s a nice system that works well for the industry and the consumer. The big question is tha will we accept EMA approved drugs post Brexit? What about new drugs?

A large number of bio.ogicals are made in Ireland and approved by the Irish regulatory bodies. Do we trust the going forward? If yes, what happens if something goes wrong, who is liable? What if there is a disagreement on the regulatory approaches? If no, we may need to approve all EMA approved drugs to MHRA standards going forward.

It’s a tough one! Do we trust a foreign drug agency to protect the health of British patients. In a WTO situation, if we accept EMA standards, we may need to accept any third party standards.

Regulated industries are terrified about this at present. See also aviation as an example...

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I don’t know if ‘terrified’ is the right description, but concerns are simply related to the fact that the government’s plans in case of a ‘no deal’ have not been announced yet.

There are so many people, it seems, that appear to have forgotten that we did have a (very successful) history before the EU!

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So defeatist! I’m glad you aren’t in charge of our negotiations!

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@OLD_BOY

You were rather convinced that the Chequers Plan would fly. At least that's my interpretation of your words when replying to Remainers (and others) who were trashing it.

Now that the EU has trashed the key component (Customs) what is your next forecast as to what will happen?

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Nice piece of fiction there, Mr K! However, you will soon find that this scenario is as unbelievable as the speculation over the Millennium Bug!

I didn’t believe that, either! Did you?

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The Chequers Plan has, in fact, been approved by Parliament. The EU knows that Theresa May has very little wriggle room, so if it tries to push back too far, a no-deal situation will be with us.

Either scenario is OK by me.

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I didn't write the article OB ! It may/may not be exaggerated, but the fact is we are in deep do do with no deal, no matter how much Brexit supporters salivate over the prospect. Maybe its a sadomasochistic type of thing !

As for the Millennium Bug if we hadn't of made preparations and anticipated the problem we would have been in trouble. But we made the necessary adjustments. We've made no preparations for No Deal because this Government is useless and unable to do much because of it's weak position. ('strong and stable' LMAO ! )

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Maybe ‘extremely concerned’ is a better description when the answer is we don’t know to the following questions;

Will drugs produced to EMA standards be acceptable in the UK?
Will drugs produced to UK standards be acceptable in EMA governed countries
Will the UK contribute to international drug bodies such as the International Committee for Harmonisation
How will raw materials quality be governed?
How will raw material manufacturers in the UK be inspected before shipment to other countries?

These questions and others need an answer and soon so plans can be made.

Of course this and other industries existed before we joined the EU but the industry has changed beyond all recognition. The best selling drug in the 70s was Valium. It’s now Etanercept, an incredibly complicated product to manufacture.

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If you read the context my post it is not defeatist. I am not the one advocating taking the ball and going home because people are 'mean to us'. This is the relationship people voted for, a adversarial one where both sides will seek to leverage their power to get the best deal they can. The EU have the article 50 deadline and the size of their economy on their side.

If people don't have the stomach for this when what will happen when it comes to the US who will certainly attempt to leverage the size of their economy to exact the most concessions from us possible? Do we just pack up and go home then too?

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I think you're right, Damien, there does seem be almost a defeatist victim mentality "Go home if they're mean to us' playing out here as you neatly put it. The reality is that size matters and the US, Japan, EU and others are far bigger economies so hold a better negotiating hand. Our strength should be our agility but the current government is not very fleet of foot.

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Oh, please! Do you really expect the UK to except whatever deal is thrown at us? If that is not defeatist, what is?

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I don’t engage in this thread enough to correct every inability to comprehend. Staying at the table doesn’t mean accepting whatever deal they offer, you have to fight for your side as well.

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Hence the likely upcoming fudge.

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It is a very dangerous if not a naive strategy to apply the experience gained 40+ years ago to our current situation. Repeating "it will be fine" reassures no one except the faithful.

If you think the obstacles looming out of the mist are illusory then prove it. Explain why we will not have delays at the border. explain why we will not suffer financially, etc.

Repeating "we will be fine, have faith" with no proof or worked examples is just hot air. Remember, large numbers of Leaves voters were promised they would be better off and voted on the basis of this.

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Here's interesting analysis of the recent question on impact of WTO rules on

Fact checking Sir Michael Rawlins statements in relation to Insulin and #Brexit. Should we be worried?

It aims to be objective on the issue, no tabloid headlines just an adult perspective.

This was interesting re: our WTO hard Brexit preparation:

It seems our initial WTO position may need refining.

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Ah, the 70's, those halcyon days of 3 day working weeks, rolling power blackouts, widespread industrial action, raging inflation, the oil crisis, the financial crisis, the Austin Allegro, the Morris Marina - let's go back to the good old days...

Or the 60s

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Nothing stopping us from automatically approving EU regulated drugs or anything else. And we can produce things that meet EU regulations. After all, other non-EU countries must manage it, including China. The thing is we might want to produce or accept products with looser regulations or perhaps stricter regulations.


I can remember an issue from several years ago, where UK regulations for UHT milk were stricter than in France. We were forced to accept French UHT milk which didn't meet our own internal regulations which our producers had to meet. UHT milk may not be much of an issue, but it does demonstrate the issue.

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Yeah we can accept whatever we want. There is nothing stopping us importing stuff other than our own laws. Going out is a different question.

With medication I suspect we'll conform to the EU regulations for a long while anyway because I can't see why we wouldn't.

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Joining the EU didn't solve those issues, Thatcher did.

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:gpoint:

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BREAKING: Number 10: No plans to call in the army if Britain leaves EU without a deal.

Just goes to show the stories like the one this weekend of the army being on standby, are from Remainers launching Project Fear 2.1 with fiction in combination with the Fake News Media.

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https://s.faketrumptweet.com/jk89ezu4_wwn8dm_nvv5d3.png

:rofl:

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That was due to a report in project fears biggest promoter, The Sunday Times.

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Looks like everyone is at the Project Fear Fake News game, even the Remain loving Daily Express :)

Army ready for BREXIT NO DEAL: Troops to deliver food and medicine – blueprints REVEAL

Must be untrue if the Express says it ...

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The no-deal preparations were being demanded by the Brexiters in Government.

Also the Army are on standby for things a lot. When there is flooding the army comes in and when G4S couldn't handle security for the Olympics then the army covered.

In the end it's costs nothing and if the ports end up being gridlocked then everyone here would be blaming May for not having a plan-B. I am miffed at the people who not only want no deal but don't want us to make any preparations for it.


The Sunday Times backed Leave.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...inkId=25687995

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You are absolutely right, the best way would be to mirror EMA rules at least in the short term, creating a ‘one way single market’ for drug imports. The other way with exports may be more tricky but that wasn’t the issue being discussed here.

The major concern regarding drug shortages is holdups at the import stage, especially for cold chain drugs such as vaccines and other biologicals, hence the article from Sir Michael Rawlins, head of the MHRA- https://www.pharmaceutical-journal.c...irstPass=false

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Still not seeing anything that would explain any alleged potential blockage or hold-up.
Any blockages or hold-ups on drugs or anything else, would be at the EU end, ie Export from the UK.

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It's the country that imports goods that would check them to ascertain that they are what they say they are so that they pay the relevant duties and meet the appropriate standards. If medicines were zero-rated and other items not zero-rated, then the importing country would need to check that the goods were actually medicines. And presumably the driver's licence and insurance would need verifying too.

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Don't you just love all these reports from Professors,Heads of departments etc who don't even bother prefixing their reports with "In a worst case scenario"?

After all, that's what their reports are.

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The article doesn't say any of that. How long would any checks(if they're done) take? We are an island and delays happen all the time, eg Channel Tunnel closed, Ferries not operating because of bad weather. Then there are often delays transporting within the UK. Still nothing that would hold things up to such an extent as to cause problems.


Anything in and coming from the EU, is supposed to meet EU regulations. That is supposed to be one of the EUs concerns. That the UK could produce or export something to the EU that doesn't meet their regulations, unless the EU restricts and checks the items.

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Did you see the link I posted here? It is an interesting article fact checking Sir Michael Rawlins warning. It would be interesting to know you thoughts on it ..

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But why are they warning of potential issues? Are they all conspiring to mislead the public or are they trying to be realistic on what is a probable outcome?

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Spot on.

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I think that's as accurate as the statement that The Sunday Times being the biggest proponent of Project Fear. I think you'll find caveats a plenty in these reports.

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I think that they are describing a worse case scenario which I'm sure won't arise. But if you don't know what a worst case scenario looks like, there's less motivation to avoid it.

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Ultimately we can initially wave through anything from the EU in whatever way we do now. It is only when we start to apply our our specific regulations and tariffs that we would have to have any further checks.

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In the event of a no-deal WTO rules would prevent our giving special treatment to any single trading partner. So we couldn't wave EU goods through without doing the same to those from China, India, Russia, US, Albania, etc.

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Hence I expect there to be a fudge. Damien agrees with me!

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Beano! Sorry BINO. ;)

Meanwhile, a Sky survey has some bad news for Theresa May with just 10% of the British public thinking the Government is doing a good job on Brexit.

https://news.sky.com/story/public-op...veals-11453220

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Then how does the EU impose it's own restrictions at the moment? Effectively we currently give "special treatment" to certain countries ie the EU, so how is that allowed?

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So, we are currently part of the EU which is a WTO member. When we leave the EU, we become a WTO member in our own right.
If we leave the EU without a deal (aka "clean break", "hard Brexit") then we trade on WTO terms and have to treat every WTO member the same hence talk of delays.

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Bit more information here for those wishing to grow their understanding of how Dover might be impacted. This comes from impact reports from the local (Conservative) authorities there.
Worryingly, the Government is trying to hide this preparation from voters.
https://news.sky.com/story/13-mile-l...eveal-11454991

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:D13 miles thats a normal day on the M25, thanks to lane hogers on idiots holding their phones.


Project fear yet again.:rolleyes:

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That implies no WTO member can make a separate trade deal with any other country.

It also assumes trade deals have not already been brokered elsewhere and just awaiting Brexit to be signed.

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Trade agreements are considered an exception to WTO most-favoured-nation rules (there are a few others too).

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I already knew that. Andrew likes his sweeping statements though.

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It seems to me that we (Guvmin) have pursued a special deal policy (aka cherry picking) when all we really need is a Canada deal which they have offered. Take that and get on with it.