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If Labour are smart they'll sit him down all of Thursday and go after him on the IRA,Hamas, Argentina and so on. One advantage Corbyn has is very low expectations.

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If Labour were that smart Crobyn wouldn't be leader and their front bench crammed full of useless idiots. ;)

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Applying to the term 'Idiots' on them, is a far too generous complement. :p:

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She really needs a better set of advisers.

They were doing really well, then they publish a Manifesto that reads like a self destruct manual.

How could anyone think that that social care policy, or the drop free school meals policy, would go down well with people. :td:

I know at least four people in the last few days who have switched due to the school meals policy. God help us all if Corbyn gets in. :erm:

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The issue I've read is that Theresa doesn't consult further than her advisers Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill. John Godfrey, the head of the number 10 policy unit and Sir Andrew Dilnot, who advised David Cameron both recommended a cap on costs, but Theresa May did not take their advice.

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Labour are still going to be missing 40-odd seats in Scotland that, before 2015, would have been guaranteed. It's very hard to see where Corbyn could possibly pick up enough seats in England to get a majority, even if the Tories come out of this with a single digit exit poll lead.

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She is weak and wobbly. she looks like she's going to trip herself up everytime.
and them bags under her eyes....

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Well as long as your judging her on the important things gary, she's in a tough position in one way as brexit is going to mean very little time or resources for the normal parliamentary stuff so she's not promising to change the country in a single term unlike some of her opponents. Nothing has happened to make me change my vote it will still be conservative.

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I don't like it, she has a habit of passing the buck to underlings when things go wrong to. I also don't like how secretive she is, makes me mistrust her

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credit where it's due, she propped up the donald that time although he may have just used that as an excuse to get in close for a pussy grab

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Weak or wobbly or the fool of the opposition take your pick as its not a very appealing pick but its what is sadly in front of us ladies and gentlemen.

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And there's a big distraction now.

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At least we get a day or two of blessed relief from the torrents of lies, deception and crass stupidity.

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True.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/05/8.jpg

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Tim farron swamped by fans


‘We don't like you!’ Tim Farron chased in the street and confronted by furious protesters

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...oom-tax-labour

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Oh dear, what a pity, never mind. :rofl:

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Seems rather typical of some of Labour's campaigners. He invited them in to talk but they just wanted to abuse him.

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Well, campaigning is suspended due to the Manchester mass-murder. However, once it starts again, security is going to be on everyone's minds. It may remain unspoken, but it will be there. I suspect I know which party will be seen to be more trustworthy as a result.

The attacker may have been seeking to celebrate the anniversary of Lee Rigby's murder, rather than to influence the general election, but influence it he has, I'm certain.

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It will certainly highlight the fact that the Corbynistas are historically terrorist sympathisers. I wonder how they'll handle that?

Gift to the Torys though.

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Social media is filling up with the conspiracy theorists already "the bombing in Manchester was carried out to help the Tories".

Some people need strait jackets and padded rooms....

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I'm sure it'll help a few celebs though.

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Everything needs to be considered in context

http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/a...ail/story.html

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She did the right thing; owned up to her past and turned away from it.


Corbyn is still ambiguous on his views on the IRA, Hamas and Hezbollah. He could easily solve this by condemning their actions. The 'friends' statement will continually raise doubts until he categorically denies it.

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If anyone sees what's happened a 'a gift' then they really are beyond contempt.

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This is the sort of person who's propping up Corbyn.

https://order-order.com/2017/05/24/c...may-terrorist/

Then there's the creators of this:

https://order-order.com/2017/05/24/c...hester-attack/

Vote Labour for much more of the same.

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Fair comment to a point, Ben, but I don't think the comparison between a councillor and a party leader who could become Prime Minister is a good one. You must admit, that is a bit of a stretch!

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Not apples and apples.

Do better.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40053427

Sounds like Corbyn's going to be 'tough on terrorism and tough on the causes of terrorism' just like he was with the IRA... :rolleyes:

Meanwhile amongst the lunatic ranks of the truly nasty party, the vice chairman of the Esher and Walton Labour Party has claimed:

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surr...nment-13094130

I wonder if Corbyn disagrees...

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So Corbyn reckons he never met the IRA:

https://order-order.com/2017/05/26/c...never-met-ira/

The man's either delusional or a liar or both.

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Andrew Neil has just handed Corbyn his arse, on a plate with seasonal greens.

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this
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/809...-election-2017

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More Labour nastiness in the wake of the Manchester murders:

https://order-order.com/2017/05/23/s...iming-for-may/

Scratch the surface and you soon find that Labour is infected with this sort of thinking.

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Conservative and Labour manifestos slammed by independent think tank The Institute for Fiscal Studies for not being honest about their manifestos.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ire-tax-rises/
https://election2017.ifs.org.uk/arti...riefing-23-may

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He's got Labour about right, but I think he must have skipped a few pages of Theresa's manifesto. Did he miss the bit about social care, which is radical enough to give half of the elderly premature heart attacks?

The Conservative manifesto is clearly more responsible in its tone and vision and recognises that we don't have untold riches to fund inessential projects. Public opinion forces the Conservatives to ease back a bit on austerity, which means the deficit will have to be fully paid back later than they would like.

However, if the IFS really expect any political party to project doom and gloom in their manifestos, then they really don't understand politics at all.

The IFS do themselves no credit with these remarks, which I think may damage their credibility.

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Labour have always promised to spend, spend, spend. Buying votes and creating non-jobs is in their DNA.

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Terminating with the biggest bust of all, which we're all still paying for and is costing billions in interest payments which ought to be being spent elsewhere on the services we all want. Cheers Labour.

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I don't think Labour caused the Global Financial Crisis.

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The social care element has been u-turned out of the manifesto hasn't it?
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b03b485cb2cd9b

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No, it hasn't.

From your link

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em more tory lies when did American bankers join the Labour party like they ones that cause the 2008 crash FFS and who got us in biggest debt ever 1.7 trillion and still going up like

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True, but had they not reduced the economy to the state of chronic indebtedness, we would have been able to weather the storm far better than we were able to.

Fix the roof while the sun shines? Labour's attitude is if it ain't raining, don't fix it.

And this is where that gets us.

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I see, Tory lies eh? American bankers were running BOS and RBS were they? They were also regulating the City of London via the BoE and FSA and Gordon Brown wasn't the Chancellor at the time and for the decade preceding. It was all nothing to do with Labour in spite of Brown incessantly telling us how prudent he'd been since 1997 when in fact he'd been ignoring all the warning signs... :rofl:

Yeah you're quite right it was all the Tories' fault when they'd been out of office for a decade. :rolleyes:

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Yep, too busy spending money and buying votes to want to admit what was going seriously wrong. Brown was warned about the perilous banking situation and did nothing because of the political importance of the 2 major Scottish banks which were at the centre of the problems in the UK.

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And after decades of obfuscation and denial about the crimes of the IRA, Corbyn suddenly manages to condemn the IRA bombing campaign.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40069744

Very sincere I must say and nothing to do with being made to look like a total hypocrite by Andrew Neil.

:rolleyes:

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the global crash crisis was started in America Fact so ask again when they American bankers join Labour and who put debt to 1.7 Trillion yes Trillion and still going up. another question which party at time said the banks were too regulated wasn't Labour to give you a clue

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So Corbyn does a u-turn! So in the May v Corbyn contest, that's 1-1 then. May adds 5% points to her electoral advantage, then!

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To be perfectly honest both parties are full of lies and deceit Dave unless one has their rose tinted glasses on but a choice has to be made soon whether one likes it or not on June the 8th but don't expect things to improve no matter who gets in as one could be very disappointed else if they expect a paradise of roses.

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Labour didn't cause the worldwide economic crash, it was their economic mismanagement that caused this country to get into such difficulty.

The reason for our debt increasing is that the deficit created by Labour has not yet been cleared. That's because the Conservatives have eased up on the throttle of austerity. Would you prefer that they hadn't done this?

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yes both parties tell lies that so true Den

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you don't take it out on the poorest people that had nothing to do with the crash like tories have for a start they wanted to give bankers much bigger bonuses to EU stopped them.

The Tories are and always will be the very nasty party

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What are you talking about? Which party is it who've taken the lowest earners out of paying income tax altogether?

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which party give the biggest tax cut to the riches

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So you keep saying and what did Messrs Brown and Bliar do about it? Notice you have nothing to say about the UK banks and regulatory deficiencies which happened on Labour's watch. They were running the show in the UK for well over a decade and they let the banks here run out of control, not the Americans or the Tories. You can say what you like but those are the facts about why the UK suffered so badly. What exactly did Brown do to curb what was going on in all those years leading up to the crisis? It didn't happen overnight. He was too busy spending the tax revenue the banks were handing him and doling out knighthoods to those awful bankers to care where it was coming from and he ignored all the warnings which were coming from within the affected institutions. Labour and Brown were to blame for that, nobody else.

The truth is that had the Tories been in power between 1997-2010 and let all that happen on their watch you'd be the first one on here blaming them for it all. Remind us all who knighted Sir Fred Goodwin and what did that have to do with America or the Tories?... :rofl:

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Just wish it was all over all we get is the parties running each other down and telling lies and saying how wonderful they are, As long as the SNP lose a lot of seats or get wiped out I will be quite happy,

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The rich are paying more than ever before, actually. If you overdo it, they will either change their behaviour to counteract the tax increase or they will move out of the country, as Mick Jagger did in the 1970s.

There is no point in taxing the rich to such an extent that you drive them away. That will just reduce our income, and who do you think would have to make up the deficiency? The poor, of course, because they have nowhere to run.

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Liberal Democrats - they negotiated this with the Tories when they were in coalition.

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I'm not sure how many U-turns Corbyn has made, probably many. But Theresa May has loads to her name. She's no Thatcher in that respect.
Examples include: foreign worker lists, national insurance rise for self-employed, workers on company boards, a British bill of rights, Hinckley Point, no early election, no energy cap. Strong and stable? Not in a conventional sense. She needs to test her policies more with the Party rather than relying on Timothy and Fiona to tell her what will work.

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Looking at this election campaign so far without any bias Andrew l think its fair to say that the Conservatives election campaign has been nothing short of extremely poor.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/...ampaign-ever/#

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It's the scale of the u turning that's worrying, generally I don't have a problem with politicians flip flopping a bit as it shows they aren't pig headed and stubborn enough to belive they're right and everyone else is wrong but Mrs May u turns on the big stuff and to do it so often is unforgivable, strong and stable leadership, there's a laugh, we've got troops on the streets! you're right about the lib Dems to iirc

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Great article, thanks for sharing. I agree with Brenda from Bristol!

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Agreed. If something's wrong it's arrogant to pursue it to the point of failure. What's concerning here is indeed the scale. It suggests there's no underlying philosophy or that the policies aren't thought through and consulted on sufficiently before being launched.Or both.
I guess the U-turns give her and Trump a mutual interest.

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So why is the gap between rich and poor increasing?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...h-poor-9733231

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Don't forget to vote Labour on June 8th.

Give wobbly Theresa a chance to rest and get greyer.

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Yes, doesn't she look tired ? ;)
Bet the EU are looking forward to negotiating with Mrs. weak and unstable.

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No thanks. Steptoe needs a rest more than she. All these car crash interviews he and Abbott have given of late makes them mentally unfit to govern.

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And yet they're still in the race, says a lot about the tories imo

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It does no such thing.

May will get her majority. I feel a lot of sane people will not be wanting to vote for the IRAbour Communist Party. Steptoe is relying on the young voters, that's why he is promising the heaven and Earth to win their vote.

All these magic money trees the IRAbour Party needs because let's face it, if they win, all those unaffordable promises will be half met, but they will still bankrupt the country, unions will be given free reign again and that comes with it, strikes galore, so next time Tories come to power, they are yet again clearing up the IRAbour mess.

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Yes one is right when Corbyn and Abbot are unfit to govern but just because they are unfit to govern other political parties still have to appeal to the electorate in order for them to vote for them on June the 8th and frankly so far we have seen one party hiding behind their petticoats hoping to say nothing in the hope they will get in with a landslide with a leader who as one writer said yesterday has the personal warmth, wit, oratorical ability and attractiveness of an Indesit fridge-freezer which has been faultily connected by a man called Trevor for five quid and then we have another hypocritical leader of the Lib Dems who contradicts himself on a regular basis.

Not exactly a great choice is it.....

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You may well be right, they'd rather vote for Mrs May and her hmm what does she stand for exactly, anyone know, she talks a good game on strong and stable leadership, well actually she doesn't, she just keeps on repeating the phrase possibly in the desperate hope someone will believe her, without looking out of their window of course and seeing the troops marching up and down, very stable. I also saw her having a pop at Corbyn's figures saying they didn't add up, well she should know seeing as she was just accused of being less than honest about her own figures by the institute of fiscal studies


https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...spending-plans

Personally I say a pox on both their houses and am voting green or possibly lib dem if I like the cut of the candidates jib

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I made a protest vote against both, by voting for the (sadly pro EU) Green party. Might not affect the majority of the incumbent MP but I severely doubt Labour will get the 5.18% swing needed to win Stevenage.

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How vary dare you Den my Indesit fridge freezer is far more attractive than the PM. In fact last night..... ;)

All this Steptoe and fridge freezer name calling isn't exactly what we should be voting on is it? You'd think we're a nation of image obsessed drones who slavishly follow reality TV etc. and buy the tabloids so we can be told what to think and how to vote.

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Welcome to generation snowflake!:D

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That's a forecast. What has happened in reality is this.

The squeeze in the wake of the financial crisis tended to hit richer households the most.

If you doubt me, re-read the article. So far all of the dire predictions of these economic experts have been wrong. Why should we continue taking notice of them?

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Bit of a nightmare performance from Mother weak and feeble Theresa tonight. "a blowhard who collapses at the first sign of gunfire", nice one Paxo.

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/869297947971731456

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You have wrong leader Mr K, she did better then JeIRAmy, who wouldn't order a drone strike on terrorists if UK lives depended on it. And he would accept any deal on brexit rather than walk away if it's potentially a bad one.

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How Labour ever got in the position of putting in place such a weak and ineffective leader they couldn't actually get rid of for poor performance, I will never know.

If that's an example of their decision making, God help us if they ever get back to power.

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Corbyn got in because of this small but vocal minority of Labour's voter base. The mistake the MPs made were to include him on the ballot for the sake of 'debate' and allowing a system where people could pay £3 to vote without officially registering as a member. Although it should be said Corbyn ultimately won the union vote and the membership vote as well as that £3 supporter vote. It's also worth noting that Corbyn is clearly a good campaigner, his performance since May called the election has been much better and he does well in these debates/interviews. It's the day-to-day running of the party and political decision making he is bad at!

There is clearly a problem with allowing a small but active minority of voters, a selectorate, to decide these things. Unless you get a critical mass of voters then elections with such a minority can make decisions that impact far beyond what their numbers justify. It may seem undemocratic but having the party itself limit the candidates is a far better system than a free vote.

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I thought that Paxman was very biased towards May compared with his aggressive attacking of Corbyn

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I don't, I thought he was just as rough on her as he was on him.

Saw a lot of complaints online about Paxman and his style of interviewing, but I guess these young people, who worship JeIRAmy, were not around in the days when Paxman hosted Newsnight.

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It's always the same every time anyone dares to question and press Corbyn on his very long record of lies and hypocrisy, the momentum brigade start crying 'foul'.

He likes to come across as a soft, cuddly old man when in fact he's an extremist and always has been. Just look at his previous form, the people who're propping him up and their appalling antics...

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He accused her of being a "blowhard". I wouldn't call that soft.

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I just hope the SNP lose a lot of seats, to put Sturgeon in her place,

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The one problem I see with that is who gets the seats. Dont want labour or tory which only leaves the liberals and green.

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My concern is that Labour may make the same mistake as they did under Gordon Brown's leadership where they tried to outbid the Conservative pledges still making promises even though there was insufficient funds in the Treasury.

Labour needs to show that it has learned from the mistakes of the past but on current showing this does not appear to be the case.

All of us have to live within our means and the massive debt problem we have in this country demonstrates that a lot of people are not doing that.

We need not only to get the deficit under control but also our personal finances.Living on credit is part of the problem not part of the solution.

Though Labour has some good ideas in principle, it does not seem to have the plan or resolve to see them through in practice. Austerity isn't pleasant and people can be forgiven for thinking that massive government borrowing and spending is the answer but then that's how we got into the deficit mess in the first place.

Once that deficit is gone and the government is back in credit, the government will have more money to spend to reduce austerity, but we need to avoid the situation of the past where one person's pay rise is another person's redundancy notice.

We also need to avoid situations which lead to strikes as they damage the economy and make austerity worse. Politicians of all parties would also do well not to award themselves large rises as this generates resentment and they need to show that we really are all in this together.

Over the years, as a nation, we have priced ourselves out of the market and relied too heavily on the financial sector to bail us out. We need to get back to producing goods at a lower cost and making our country self-sufficient again.

In order to compete we all need to get used to making do with less. If we don't the country will go bankrupt and then we will be in the same state as Greece with all its massive financial, social and economic problems.

Like the referendum vote, it will be very interesting to see how people vote in the election next week as sometimes the outcome may be something we all do not expect or plan for. Hopefully everybody will make the right decision but it does seem to be a choice of two evils as no party has policies that everybody will be happy with.

As with all these things we will have to wait and see and hope and pray for the best outcome.

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They could actually lose 10 at the very least if the nats prove less popular then they were at the last election.

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It's Corbyn and those numbers again - I mean who'd have thought someone might ask our potential PM such a question FGS!

:rolleyes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40090520

This time it's the cost of a major policy, childcare, which he was supposed to be trumpeting.

He waffles on and on and claims he knows but the truth he hasn't got a bloody clue and that's because he's not concerned about the cost of anything. Labour never are. The true costs of Labour's misguided policies are always left for successive governments to pick up via the taxpayer.

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Love the part where he tries to look it up on his iPad mid interview:D

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I think Paxman needs to retire. He was more interested in making himself look smart and clever in front of the audience, than asking pertinent questions and giving Corbyn and May time to answer. It was easy to pick the person with biggest ego in the studio last night; and it wasn't the politicians.


He seemed to attack Corbyn more; and I think that quite possibly have worked Corbyn's favour.

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Can you imagine that idiot having to make vital decisions in a national crisis? He is totally out of his depth.

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These people tend to become caricatures of themselves over time.

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Just been reading about Corbyn's plans for a land tax which would have quite an expensive negative effect on ordinary homeowners.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...arden-tax.html

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All his giveaways are a 'Buy Now, Pay later.' scheme, they claim the manifesto is all costed, but what they fail to realise is that once Corporation Tax is but back up, companies start packing up or distribute the profits over seas, therefore the tax amount goes down and massive holes appear in their 'fully costed' manifesto.

Add to that, when companies are forced to start paying £10 an hour, companies will be forced to start cutting staff numbers, they are being hit with a double whammy.

£10 an hour is all well and good but companies have to be able to afford it that it does not send them under.

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The former chancellor doesn't appear to be fan of Mother Theresa !
http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/co...-a3552206.html
Good old George, he'll be waiting a while for his knighthood though ;)

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Time and time again he proves he hasn't got a clue and relies on others to deal with fairly basic questions. He's living in a dream world but, make no mistake, he is a puppet for some really nasty people who're pulling his strings and treating him like a useful fool.

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How very odd that the good old not at all left wing biased Beeb would allow this sort of thing to happen:

https://order-order.com/2017/05/30/a...hough-bbc-net/

They do like closing down social media accounts when rumbled don't they...

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I'm beginning to suspect you don't like Jezza :D

The more he's appeared in this campaign the further Labour have gone up in the polls. Labour may not win but they are going to do better than people expected. He is offering a definite choice, which the public haven't had in recently elections. Blair/Cameron/Clegg diddly squat difference between them.

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I have been bombarded with pro-Corbyn social media posts from all directions, most pointing to pro-Corbyn sites that seem to have popped-up overnight offering the same mumblings, promises and "truths".

Politics has most definitely moved en masse onto the internet platform. Cheap and easy to do, with so much repetition of "facts" that it is hard to track now if there is any "truth" to any of the posts.

And the younger voters, attached to the internet with their mobile data-placentas, appear to be lapping it all up.

"It was on the internet, so it's true right?"

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I think it's one of the most dangerous aspects of modern politics. The way that 'alternative' news sources purporting to to tell the truth unfiltered by the 'corporate' media have proliferated.

There are many on both the left and right of politics and, conventionally, they almost always seem to paint one side as entirely right and the other as entirely wrong. They are hyper-partisan whilst portraying themselves as the antidote to a biased press. It's remarkable how many otherwise intelligent people consume these sources and at best they excuse it as redressing a balance as if the best way to counter a lie is with more, but different, lies.

The danger is that it just wears people down until there is no such thing as an objective truth and everything is a matter of opinion. Facts are dismissed as fake news or just one side of the story. People will sneer at real reporting, sourced on the ground and with editorial control, whilst placing absolute faith in some random blog or YouTube video from some partisan hack in his or her bedroom.

People should be more willing to challenge themselves and if everything you read only reinforces your own existing opinion that should be a massive red flag.

As for discerning if any of it is true? I would just dismiss it all out of hand because you don't have the time to fact-check random nut jobs.

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We cannot have ANOTHER Tory government in power for another five years. The was an item on London Tv, where a guy was from Camden Town.
And he was right that, millionaires should pay more in Tax. We should have a Mansion Tax. The same as those on benefit - they have Bedroom Tax. Why should millionaires pay the same tax as me - with a three bedroom house. And these millionaires have up to six or seven bedrooms.

In fact he stated that some homes in and around Camden Town, but houses in there Million pound mark. And ont live in them. They should pay more in tax.

The Conservatives will look after there own - the rich. And bugger the poor. I watched the debate between Corbyn and May. And yes, they were both heckled. I even noticed that when a Police Officer mentioned Police cuts. She onl stated that 'we' have to live within our means.

What is more important is the lives of Jo Public. Better health services, better social care etc etc.

More social housing. I have been waiting for a downsize for three years, and every advert that comes out for suitable housing - its home seekers only.

We need a government that will look after US. and that is NOT Miss May.

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I think that's the strategy of some of the non-mainstream sites - to wear people down so they don't know what's wrong or right.

I find it interesting on this site the number of people who rightly criticise Corbyn and Abbott for their incompetence with figures but turn a blind eye to the many, many u-turns of Theresa May and her inability to state the economic cost of immigration caps and when targets will be achieved in this area. Why can't people rise above it all and empower themselves to criticise Corbyn, Farron and May for their many failings?

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I would extend that to cover some of the mainstream media. The age of responsible journalism is over it seems.

Journalists should hold all politicians to account and not just peddle their corporate owners bile & prejudice.

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The amount of personal attacks by the gutter press on Corbyn, must mean the media barons are really worried about their personal wealth. It doesn't seem to be working this time though.....
Even Theresa is asking us to imagine him 'naked', guess she wouldn't shape up too well herself. (mind you, i don't know, the more i think about it ....;) )

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Here he is. no photoshop required. https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/05/2.jpg

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You are right. It is actually very funny that with Corbyn in charge and with TM's 20+ point lead at the beginning we are where we are in the polls.

With the personal attacks, the own goals, the right wing media violently against Labour it is remarkable that they have made the progress they have.

It is making some people worried, so much so they feel they have no choice but to resort to childish, mindless, playground name calling ... hang on ... wait, they have always done that ;)

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/05/1.jpg

She only mentioned Corbyn being naked so this pic would come out again.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/da...dLlaWLqONn/9k=

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Corbyn has confirmed he'll take part in the debate tonight. May still will not: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40105324

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Statement from Corbyn :-
Will Theresa show up, or is she a 'Britain's got no Talent' fan ???