Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

That was done by a commercial broadcaster - same as Eurosport is.

They don't have to follow the BBC's charter rules that I posted earlier in this thread. The BBC aren't allowed by the terms of their charter from the government to do Pay TV only solutions. It has to be available to all licence fee payers - including those who only have Freeview.

If you have an issue with the BBC charter rules, it next comes up for renewal (at the moment) in 2026 - at which point the BBC will invite comments from licence fee payers.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Yeah pretty sure we did this already.

No one ever said pay TV solutions only.

Yeah license payers who have the correct version of iPlayer,a fast enough connection and unlimited data.

The BBC is dead with people like you doing the bidding of its enemies.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I said platform / provider neutral. Considering all 4K content to date has been on Pay TV platforms only, I thought I was being clear what I was talking about.

I'm also not aware of a non-Pay TV platform that's available right now other that iPlayer that allows all licence fee payers the technical possibility of accessing 4K HLG content.

And when BT did the football, for 4K you needed the correct version of TV STB and / or a fast enough connection and unlimited data.

I do no bidding of it's enemies.

I work for Virgin Media, who carry BBC content. I'm also a licence fee payer so am a direct customer of the BBC and appreciate what they do, how they do it and the technical challenges they're facing in creating a production workflow will allow more HDR content to be produced across the industry.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

This is the point, when your so driven to defend things that most reasonable people can see isn't good enough, you damage your objectives, not help them.

Now people have experienced 4k as a direct channel, on all platforms, they know full well this is a poor output by three BBC.

It's really simple, go read what people are saying about this and see if it's either helping or damaging the BBC's reputation to regular people.

If you truly don't think you're doing the bidding of the BBC's enemies, try and step back because I don't say that lightly.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I, too, was critical of the BBC's delay in rolling out UHD, but given their decision to give us UHD with HLG, this now makes sense.

HLG has only recently become available, so your criticism is unfair, all things considered.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Oh boy there are more of you.

Do you, honestly, think that people will be happier that our has hlg but they can't actually watch it?

You think BT people used to watching perfect 4k well on, week out, but can't watch the world cup properly, will care?

Your think sky people used to watching 4k for a long time but can't watch the world cup, will care?

Remind me again, why does an iPlayer trial mean they can't provide the streams to Virgin and sky as well?

The BBC really doesn't need friends like this.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

For me, the only negatives were the sound dropping and time lag...think it was nearly 90secs behind the HD channel.

These negatives are obviously impacted more because we are watching live sport, but I'm sure they will be ironed out.

The picture quality was great, my tv went straight into HLG mode, couldn't fault that at all. There is a vast improvement in quality over the HD pictures.

If the Planet Earth 2 demo shows what they can do, I'm looking forward to non-live UHD content via the iPlayer which doesn't have the same technological constraints. It will be out of this world.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Sky 4K is not even 'full fat' UHD let alone HDR and HLG its best described as Uhd 'lite'. It uses the old colourspace Rec 709 and not 2020.

I also seem to remember missing F1 UHD recordings for about a month whilst Sky struggled to get their system working correctly

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Exactly my point, BBC should have trial led this before hand. Plenty of content they could have used if they wanted to.

Drop-outs, buffering just isn't acceptable.

Defending them is crazy, if they had to be commercial they would have gone under years ago.

If they have to make things available to all how come they chose to do it via a method that relies on a very high BB speed - hardly inclusive is it.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

This will be of great comfort to those who can't view the BBC 4k feed.

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The sad thing, they actually think they are helping the BBC...

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I'm not defending them, but what could they have done trials on before this world cup? They don't really have any live sporting rights.

I haven't been able to watch a whole game in UHD because either a message on my phone telling me someone has scored or the buffering/audio drop outs. From the footage I have watched, it does look brilliant.

Having VM has only given me access to 1 football game in UHD (champions league final) and the tennis. Both looked really good, but maybe the BBC HLG looks even better. Hard to compare having watched them a month apart.

The BBC will come into its own when they start showing the stuff the are known for worldwide - that is not sport, but ground-breaking natural history documentaries and gritty dramas. When these are shown in UHD via iPlayer at the same time as on the HD channel without the audio dropping (lag won't be too much of an issue), we will see what their technology has to offer.

Yes Sky have lots in UHD already, but they are so much richer and bigger than the BBC.

Also, I don't think you can blame the BBC for most of the UK not having good enough BB speeds, we are just lucky with VM.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

The BBC literally tested a 'full scale' live HLG workflow for the first time at the Royal Wedding last month, so no there wasn't lots of content before the World Cup they could have used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/blog/2018-0...edding-uhd-hdr

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Can someone, anyone, explain why the iPlayer hlg means that it couldn't have ALSO have been transmitted via other platforms.

I mean, if you think it's so great, why on earth don't you want as many people as possible to view it?

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

It isn't being transmitted on any platform - not even VirginMedia.

iPlayer is a streaming service using your Internet which some Smart TV's and some connected products (like the V6 TiVo and the Roku+ stick) can access.

Sky doesn't have a streaming iPlayer service at all and does not currently support HDR - so is a non-starter.

It also requires a steady internet stream of approaching 40Mpbs - which rules out a lot of others.

HLG is a version of HDR which can be used on live events which also does not require different versions for different devices if they are not HDR.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I don't know what motivated that reply

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I thought it was an informative reply that answered your question

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Which question do you think you answered?

I think we all know the situation, it's why we are discussing it not being on any other platforms...

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I'll say it again - it is not on any platforms.

It is an Internet stream provided via VirginMedia, Sky, BT, TalkTalk - and many more. It is not blocked on an of those unless the user has < 40Mpbs.

The V6 box is able to decode it to provide it on a compatible tv.

There is no other tv providers set-top-box which is compatible.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Yup, still not a clue why

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Sky doesn't even have the IPlayer app - which is required to stream it.

BT have little interest in doing much at all.

This is only a trial anyway - so why would companies who don't have the firmware in place yet - bust a gut for something which may not stay in the format of the trial.

V6 was already supporting HDR before this trial.

The BBC provide the app to compatible hardware/firmware - and Sky and BT do not have that in place.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Because the trials aim is not produce a 4K SDR broadcast, but to specifically test the BBC's end to end HLG production workflow and output.

Freeview and Freesat don't do 4K.

BT don't support HLG or HDR for their TV service as far as I'm aware - they only done one HDR test to a mobile app.

Although Sky are in the process of updating their boxes to support HLG I don't believe this is in the UK yet and they seem to be having some colour issues:

http://helpforum.sky.com/t5/Sky-Q/3-...815019#M143073
All customers with a Virgin Media's V6 box have at least 50Mbps and the box is HLG compatible so can get the content via the iPlayer. This is then restricted to TVs that can properly deal with the BT.2020 colour space to try and avoid the issue above for Sky.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Ha, yeah, that's exactly what's going on.

Damn you guys hate the BBC.

Your average user doesn't give a stuff about hlg if they can't access 4k.

Its a trial to see how much damage the BBC wants to self inflict and how badly fanatics can't see the reality.

Again, this could have been done and given the feeds to other platforms..

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

....but, of course, ALL 4K TV users get a pretty good representation of UHD from HD channels on their TVs from many sources, due to upscaling, but don’t get the vivid colour provided by HDR in all its guises.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

In some respects I would say your average user doesn't actually give a stuff about 4K. The only reason a lot of people will get a 4K TV is that it's becoming the default option. Same as the early HDTVs were 720P only and 1080P was a premium cost, and you now have to specifically look for 720P TVs now as the default for HD is 1080P.

It'll only be when 4K HDR is widely available that really shows the difference between HD and 4K, which is why the BBC are skipping 4K SDR only, and aiming to move to complete 4K HDR production system.

It's the most cost effective option for them, as it allows them to have a single production workflow which they explained in multiple posts.

Not without potential extra costs and time for the BBC to produce those other technical feeds.

Exactly.

The goal of all 4K systems is to move to HDR. But it's only HLG that really works for live broadcast HDR, so that's what the BBC is concentrating making it work the best the can.

Pretty much everyone seems to plan to use HLG, so will use the technical solutions the BBC are working to perfect towards a simple and easy to deploy HDR HLG production workflow. This will speed up the content produced in HLG HDR no matter the platform or producer. This can only be a good thing.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Yeah I'm thinking for some reason you want to make the BBC look exceptionally incompetent and think it's best to tarnish their reputation rather than do it directly...

So, the BBC is pushing ahead to trial something that can't be delivered on mass and doesn't function for the majority of households.

You must think were stupid.

I tell you though, you do a good job, it's A very convincing front to pretend you're pro the BBC when in reality you want it out of the equation and amplify crazy theories.

Shame.

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HDR is great, HDR for a tiny amount of people at the expense of everyone else, not so much.

Don't buy into this HDR test theory, it's made up to make the BBC look awful

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

We get it - you don’t like the BBC.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Whose this aimed at? Those pushing rubbish to make the BBC look stupid or those who want the BBC doing what it's done so well at for years.

Edit: if it's me, read my posts, I'm irritated that the BBC has given ammunition to those who wants it destroyed so I'm guessing it's not me...

Those making up things on the other hand...

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

The BBC are doing what they've done so well for years.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/about/history

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

You mean by making sure only a select group can view it's content?

Yeah this is where you guys fall down.

That's not what the BBC has been doing for years.

It's crazy to watch, are you playing a game like the other guy or can you really not see the current climate and how the BBC is under attack? Giving ammunition at this time is beyond stupid.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

You're obviously an expert on all things BBC...……...;)

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

You guys are "interesting".

Honest question, do you want the BBC to survive as it was or do you want it to be a second tier broadcaster.

Seems the BBC is already slipping behind the likes of powerhouses like Eurosport so it's clearly going the way some wish.

If your like me and want the BBC to be at the forefront of broadcasting, we need to be realistic about what is required in this new technological era.

Posting about the BBC and it's history isn't going to stop people criticising the BBC if it doesn't keep up.

That's the reality, 4k output is the norm now and I recall the BBC HD channel setting the standard and it's not doing the same for 4k.

With us all experiencing liner channels giving us perfect 4k content on the red button, that's the baseline for what we can expect. If things can't be sorted for the premier football event, it makes you wonder if it's already accepted it's fate due to cuts and pressure to not compete with commercial channels.

If you actually like the BBC, like I do, then this isn't the time to navel gaze and make excuses.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

NICAM stereo - a BBC development which could only be received for nearly FIVE years as a trial in LONDON - and required NEW tv and/or VCR.

The BBC ran HD trials for 18 months before making them available to everybody who purchased new receiving equipment to view in HD. It was a long long time before DTT only viewers got to see HD transmissions.

The BBC ran 3D DTT trials making them available to everybody - who purchased new receiving equipment to view in 3D.

ITV eventuallly caught up with some things - but doesn't really have much interest in technology only money.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Your ‘defence’ of the BBC is quite unconvincing.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

The Beeb is working on an elegant solution for our new 4K/HDR world and we will be justly proud when this is all up and running. Their strategy depends on HLG, which only became available this year. Trials have now started and in a short while, the BBC will be firing on all cylinders.

I think your criticisms are unfair, and most of us are just happy that we are finally getting the UHD up and running on our flagship channels. When that happens, they will be ahead of the game and the commercial channels will be offering an inferior system.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Wimbledon tennis to be screened in 4K HDR by BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44550307

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Via iplayer again which means i won't get to see it properly, i just don't understand why i can view the football UHD feed but think it is downscaled for me, as there is no mention of downscaling the feed for TVs not on the list?

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

What about Eurosport 4K for Wimbledon?

Wimbledon will be HLG and HDR on BBC, so more viewing chances.

4K on Sky Q broadcast, what about Cable?

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

"However, this time the BBC also plans to make select matches available in 4K - but not HDR - to Sky Q customers."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44550307

:)

So where are you posts calling out all the blatant lies I had to wade through?

yeah your defence of the bbc has a strong odour of something...

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whoops

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44550307

"However, this time the BBC also plans to make select matches available in 4K - but not HDR - to Sky Q customers."

:)

edit: and im sure a couple of you are genuine BBC supporters being pulled along by the quite obvious rubbish some have spouted on here about neutral platforms and costs and trials.

be aware that those, especially those who double down against people like me, might actually be full of absolute tosh. luckily it didnt take long for the BBC to semi fix its mistake and show those in this thread who tried so hard to make the BBC look stupid that they are full of it.

shame, buts the times, special kiss to my two really unpleasant friends who attacked me for wanting the BBC to make sensible decisions

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this is the question. no reason why both cant take the feed as virgin is clearly capable.

hopefully its being sorted out in the background....

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

No one in this thread (besides yourself with your passive-aggressive comments) is attacking the BBC - we just understand it's a very complex technical solution, and "something magic" isn't going to happen overnight.

Your "defence" of the BBC seems to be saying how crap it is, and why doesn't it do what you want when you want - this is like Stalin defending the Soviet Army by executing his generals...

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

except Hugh, something magical did happen over night. the BBC is now doing a red button feed for other platforms for Wimbledon. something I was told wasn't possible due to the BBC charter and a myriad of other things.

its helpful if you read my posts and dont make passive aggressive comments, then it might make sense.

what I said all along is that the BBC is handing ammunition to its critics, actual real people I have read attacking the BBC when the iplayer feed isnt working.

now, this is really simple, all the BBC had to do was provide the streams to sky and virgin at the same time as the iplayer trial and it would have allowed them to test their HLG workflow and also provide users with a reliable 4k picture.

they are partly doing this for Wimbledon, so clearly all the made up tosh I had to wade through was pure fabrication by some users. why would they do this? why would a user make up stuff that makes the BBC look bad in the eyes of some people?

you tell me.

but the reality, the BBC did screw up by not providing the feeds to sky and virgin and it seems this blip is being rectified and hopefully will be a one off.

now lets be clear, if the BBC did only go down the iplayer route for 4k content for live events like the world cup, it would instantly rule out so many people and thats really not what the BBC needs to be doing at a time when its under attack from politically and commercially motivated people.

honestly hugh, its that simple. I like the BBC, always have. but unlike you, I am aware of the negative comments made about this "trial" and you just want to ignore those attacks. which to me is hardly the action of someone who genuinely wants to avoid the BBC going down the pan, which is a very real possibility if you had your eyes open.

now, bizarrely, we are back to the question of why isn't virgin getting the feed and I hope the reason is that its being sorted out. as for the same reason, now we have had experience of 4k on our V6 boxes, there is only going to be negative feelings if virgin users miss out on something sky 4k users will get.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

There's a surprise - Wimbledon in glorious UHD - now we know why the World Cup is being used to trial it, should have known all BBC cares about.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

With Wimbledon it still in the trial phase.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

The Wimbledon UHD on Sky Q is only the semi finals and final and can be accessed via the red button off the BBC channels.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

All UHD coverage at Wimbledon will be from Centre Court only

Sky Q customers will not get the HDR coverage they'll get 4K only

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Already posted in the link on the last page , it would be impossible to provide HDR considering the current Q box hasn't received the HDR update yet and the BBC are delivering HDR as a trial over broadband as opposed to satellite like the Wimbledon UHD will be delivered on Sky.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Fingers crossed for Wimbledon 4K on Virgin Cable.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Given we've already got the world cup we are almost certain to get it on VM

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

If you can receive the World Cup in UHD, you will be able to get Wimbledon (but on a first come, first served basis).

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I mean Wimbledon broadcast on Cable in 4K, like to Sky Q, not iPlayer.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Why?
HD channel + TV upscaling = 4K

iPlayer + TV = 4K HLG

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Not if it buffers for people and for the limited few.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

What will be getting upscaled?

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I've given up on the uhd feed today, just not sticking to the full 4k stream for some reason.

Probably a Virgin issue as other games have been perfect, but still a reminder that it relies on other outside elements to be watchable....

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

My old 200Mbps box has been ok today for 4K, but not before.

Just this minute had Hub 3 install, so i’ll see if it is any better.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

The raw Russian feed is 10’s Gbps, WOW!

The BBC thus gets 120Mbps.

I am still curious as to why the BBC went for 36Mbps, quality i assume. What is BT’s 4K bitrate.

BT don’t seem to have a problem with their UHD live football feed, although not in HLG.

The UK IP network can’t currently handle millions of the BBC UHD HLG output. It sounds like the capacity needs to double. Is this going to happen? Or can the BBC lower the bitrate in some way, without affecting quality?

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

One would suspect it's the BBC that can't cope not your ISP.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

The BBC have said, millions can’t currently watch the UHD feed @ 36Mbps, due to UK capacity.

Is this not true?

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Distribution capacity.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Yes, but when could this be achieved, or is it even planned?

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

No option here to watch the match in UHD this time, i guess too many people want it!

Got the option now....but something went wrong loading this programme......back to good old upscaled HD to 4K i think.

edit.... working now, until the sound drops or stutters.... sound dropped back to upscaled HD which still looks fantastic on my TV.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

UHD stream running perfectly today put it on at 13:02 and its ran fine throughout

Much better than last Monday

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Not had any V6 4k/HDR issues for past two days.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Ive had no buffering at all... but... Ive seen the picture drop down to a different profile instead on a few occasions and the overall picture quality seems lower now than it did at the start.

the japan senegal game was switching quality every ten minutes and at full 4k, you could still see some light shimmering and blocking in areas off the main play, which wasnt present in the first weeks production.

dont know if that was just a one off or if they have changed encoding settings/bit rate....

plus I see no news about wimbledon being on the V6 red button so looks like thats sky only, which is mind bending

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

That sounds as if you were having issues keeping the 40Mbps stream constant and so it was dropping down to a slower speed with less qualify.

Although SkyQ 4K viewers will get Wimbledon it seems it will only be the semi-finals and final.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

My connection to the TV is 100mb solid though and no issues, the picture was dropping down but even at full 4k it was lower quality than the first week.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Sky Q customers are only getting the semi-finals and finals plus it won't be shown in HDR

VM V6 customers will get the best offering with 4K/HDR via the iPlayer and every match which is on centre court

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

V6 customers get a trial....

Were now at the point where getting less service than sky is being pushed as a good thing....

Edit: last week I was told it's impossible for the BBC to offer platforms varying services due to its charter, this week I'm getting this rubbish...

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I'm sure the BBC have made the iPlayer trial available to Sky - just that Sky can not take it.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

so different from last weeks rubbish.

ah thats okay then, we get a trial because sky cant take it....

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

It would have been still a trial even if Sky had took it , it would have just been delivered to Sky customers over satellite using capacity courtesy of Sky.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

What's wrong with a trial if it works and is better?

Anyway - the BBC releases says the "World Cup Trial" - Wimbledon makes no mention of a trial.

I would rather have the trial service over having no service.

???

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

The logic is insane.

I would like the BBC to give cable the same as sky, is that not hard to understand.

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You mean without going over the uncontrollable outside variable that is the internet?

Sounds great, can we have that please.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I fully understand now - you mean:
VirginMedia should not be allowed to have the 4K/HDR iPlayer on their platform - because Sky is technically, by their own design, unable to support.

Or are you on about just the semi-final coverage being in 4K on Sky - but with nothing confirmed yet for VM - who will get it in 4K/HLG anyway.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I've wandered back into primary school :-)

It's really simple, plenty of Virgin customers would like the red button option that sky are getting.

I was told last week the BBC can't do different options for different platforms. This week I'm being told that Virgin customers should be happy they can't access the red button like sky.

Bizarre.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

You're at Primary School - that explains everything.

The fact that VirginMedia and BT are not mentioned in the original relased does not mean "it will not be on VM or BT".

Sky were not mentioned initially for the Eurosport 4K red button - but were added later.

I agree if Sky are offered it then it should be made available for all platforms which can carry it. The fact that only Sky have initially been mentioned doesn't mean a lot at this stage.

Hopefully a DTT test could be done too.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

I don't really understand your rants on here.

VM will get 4K HLG feed via the iPlayer, something that Sky cannot do (at the moment)

It doesn't matter whether there is a red button option or not...you are just trying to cause arguments where none is needed...goodnight

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

you dont understand then, thats odd, its really simple stuff.

you know what I dont understand, the amount of rubbish Ive seen on here from people, I just cant understand how you can defend this.

well if you looked at my earlier posts you might find im not getting a 4k feed off the iplayer and clearly when other channels can do the red button and it work, you know, like TV has for decades, then its bizarre to see people defend a system which is far less capable and reliable.

Im not arguing, I would like to watch wimbledon on the red button as I dont want to have to tell everyone they need to get off the internet as I want to watch a few tennis matches in 4k.

sleep well, try not picking fights with people who have extremely reasonable comments :)

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well there you go, we agree, how ironic.

I am not confident as its been a few days and nothing from virgin.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

If you cannot watch the 4K feed on the iPlayer - then you have the incorrect setup

If you need to ask people to get off the internet to watch 4K - then you have the incorrect setup

Anyone with the V6, 100mbs or more plus a 4K tv will be able to watch the 4K feed and have everyone surfing the internet with no problem....well at least in my house it wasn't a problem.

All of you anger is coming from not having a red button lol
Your comments aren't reasonable, you're just making a fuss over nothing.

I'll go back to watching the 4K feed and surfing the internet ;):D

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Anger? From the people squealing over someone wanting a reliable connection :-)

I get it, you don't like people having a view you don't agree with.

Sure, go off and do something else, thanks for you time.

My connection btw is giving me 100mb to the TV so...

And yeah, you don't think using the internet while trying to stream a 4k feed might cause issues?

Bizarre.

Edit: and part of the reason it's a trial is because they don't think the UK network could cope without limiting it. Does that sound like a better system than using cable or satellite....

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

You are very angry..

I don't have a different view, I'm just able to watch the 4K via the iPlayer. Having a red button or not is no issue to me...you seem to be the only one who has an issue with it. Being vocal on this forum will not help you though.

If you have 100mb to your TV and it's a 4K tv which supports HLG then you should be able to watch the feed with no problems at all. We all suffered buffering and sound issues, but these have improved throughout the world cup.

There are no issues with 100mbs streaming 4K and surfing...again this could be your setup if you are having problems.

These issues you are having don't seem to be related to having a red button or not, but down to the setup in your house.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Bizarre to watch you making stuff up. I thought you were going?

Your very angry, more replies...

All this for wanting 4k channels to be transmitted using existing platforms, how insane :-D

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Angry and making stuff up? hahaha...now I know you are messing about.

Again, with a V6 + 100mbs + 4K tv, you'll be able to watch the 4K HLG feed on the iplayer without worrying about anyone else on the internet.

The only small issue I have with the iPlayer, is the time-lag, but the picture is crystal clear.

4K channels will probably come, but with new technology being tested, it's not going to be anytime soon I wouldn't have thought.

No anger there at all....:mad: :mad: :mad: lol :angel::D

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Upto 100mb and don't whatever you do go look at threads about poor speeds and local congestion or your little head will implode :-D

Your spending all this time angrily telling me it's my connection when you ignore that I've told you my TV has 100mb and it's still fluctuating :-D

We have had two 4k red button channels recently :O

See, these angry kittens don't live in the same world...

Show how unangrry you are by posting again telling me I'm wrong....

All this for suggesting we should be getting our 4k live content via existing platforms, bizarre.

Re: UHD on Virgin Media
 

Calm down, take a chill pill.

The 2 red buttons did not broadcast 4K in HLG....
I'm all for 4k channels, but only when the technology allows it to.

Your TV may have 100mb and fluctuation, but that won't stop you from accessing the 4K feed on the iPlayer...or did you mean you can access it, but the buffering problems made it painful?

Thanks for helping me to 1,000 posts lol

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The quality of this picture is lower, without question. Shimmering lines and grass ...

The first week was much bette but buffered.

I'm going to guess they are using faster encoding settings

Edit: I'm talking about the lines on the other side of the camera position and the grass there.

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The past few days I don't get the buffer on the iplayer the games run OK but as the quality I think it looks better in HD my 4k tv is 2 months old and is encluded in the list of compatable tvs to get uhd

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This is the second time that I've tried the UHD feed from the iplayer for the Argentina game, and the PQ is better in HD, than it is in UHD!

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So a con then..

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No idea, Den, my TV is a 4K UHD capable set and can also show HLG, so I'm at odds as to why the PQ isn't as it should be after all the hype about it.

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The Beeb have a few issues go irion out, then!

Thank God it's just a trial.

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That's the thing though, it's not a trial as such like we might think.

The issues inherent in going outside a closed controlled system aren't going away and the reason they capped the connections is because they were concerned the UK network structure couldn't cope otherwise.

The thing is, I think 4k take up is going to be a lot faster than UK broadband speed increase, and even then you're still going to have issues with local congestion on the last mile and potential issues in the home.

Now I get that is a good cover for the BBC as it's platform neutral, but this surely can't be the intention for the BBC to only use the iPlayer for 4k?

Edit: picture was good but has several buffers and stops so went back to HD

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The other day we were streaming a game in 4k From the V6, watching the other game on iPlayer on a phone while another phone was on YouTube watching a 30 minute video at 1080p on the 350Mb broadband without a problem.

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Only required 350mb, that's great news!

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You said -

"And yeah, you don't think using the internet while trying to stream a 4k feed might cause issues?"

Simply pointing out it was fine for me.

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And I'm simply pointing out that you have a 350mb connection :-)

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Which didn't cause issues when streaming 4k HDR.

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Think we are going around in circles here :-)

Well one solution is the BBC sends everyone to you're place :-D

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One thing l try not to do is never fall for the hyperbole about something as nine times out of ten it usually never lives up to the hype.

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The PQ on my tv for UHD has been amazing, far superior to HD.

I really notice it when turning off the iPlayer and switching back to the hd channel. It looks horrible lol