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Er, hang on take the record off the player. A genuine question has been asked - no arguing or shouting down.

Does anyone who voted remain plan to emigrate and, if yes, which Country have they chosen for a better future?

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I was actually a reluctant remainer, switched from being venomously anti EU and was that long before it was fashionable, currently I'm in the camp of hoping we get the best deal possible upon leaving.

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The FT is just reporting the situation accurately. Business people want accurate information to make important decisions - they don't want Katie Hopkins on Fox News telling them that London is cowering in fear since the Westminster incident.
Who was it who said that Turkey would be joining the EU? Or predicted the Euro would collapse in five years...back in 20111? Leave EU was the original home of Project Fear and they do it bigger and better than anyone else.

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Are you planning to emigrate 1andrew1?

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My nephew voted remain, he's since insisted his mum take out a second EU passport so he'd get one, he currently lives in Jordan and will almost certainly end up settling in France eventually. His mum voted leave btw.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: TOMORROW!
 

Was he living in Jordan when he voted remain for the UK? Is there not even ONE remain voter on this forum who plans to emigrate?

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They're keeping it very quiet, because secretly, they're all going to America; they love 'The Donald', really. The anti Trump people have all moved to Canada, so there's plenty of room! ;):D:D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W773ZPJhcVw

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If she did, that is vastly out of step with the Fox News coverage I have seen on the London attack. Vastly

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We know why they're keeping quiet :p:

But if any remoaners do decide to have the courage of their convictions, might I suggest rural France as a new home? It smells of bs there too.

There has been page after page of how wonderful the EU is but not ONE of its fanboys plans to move there.

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No he was here. Tbh he's not emigrating because of brexit, he was always going to be a citizen of the world, he only wanted the passport so he could work in Europe as and when he should so wish.

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Fair enough TD. I'm just astonished that all the principled remainers are actually going to stay here where it is doomed :confused:.

What are we to think? That, all said and done, this is still a better place to be than the EU which is why skilled immigrants come here and will want to stay. Just like our home-groan (;)) moaners.

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There is no longer a media output that does not have an agenda, and can be trusted for impartial views. You need to analyse that agenda along with their slant/emphasis on a particular story.

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I don't think much will change for the vast majority of us, we'll just carry on as we always have, some might feel the worst of it others still will find opportunity, regardless of what happens even if it is the worst case scenario where we are eating voles within 2 months I'd still stay, there's no place like home.

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I have gone, taken the plunge now setup in Austria

To be fair as well, brexit just speeded up my original plan

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You're not in Kansas anymore Dorothy ;)

If we end up eating voles at least they won't be les voles that have to be straight.

To be fair other contributors may not have seen the question yet. We know 1andrew1 has bottled it and a few others legged it sharpish but we'll see...:D

Good luck! :)

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An interesting point of view:

Mr Duncan Smith, the former work and pensions secretary and leading Brexit supporter, said that the EU had "decided to leave the UK" in the late 1980s when it embarked on what he said was a one-way process of economic and political union.Writing for the ConservativeHome website, Mr Duncan Smith suggested that, from that moment on, the UK's exit had been largely inevitable and he was confident about what lay ahead.



Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39416864

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I also like Sadiq Khan's comment to the EU at the end of that link: "....a proud, optimistic and confident institution does not secure its future by fear."

It should be tattooed on David Cameron/George Osborne's foreheads :D

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Absolutely!!

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I like this comment on this article



I'm so insulted I think I might cry ;):D

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I actually thought of Dorothy as I typed that toto


It could get even worse than voles and we'll be eating poles :Yikes:

Good luck, brave decision, hope it works out well for you and yours :tu:

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You didnt post from Austria ;)

I said I am setup, fully moved over as of 9th April

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Nicola Sturgeon's call for a second referendum on independence for Scotland has been formally backed by the Scottish Parliament. MSPs voted by 69 to 59 in favour of seeking permission for a referendum before the UK leaves the EU.

As it wasn't carried by a clear two-thirds majority shouldn't this be treated as null and void? :confused:

Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: TOMORROW!
 

They can vote for what they want, Westminster has the final say.

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they didn't know what they where voting for /they are uneducated /its a protest vote /Scotland can't survive on its own /Nicola sturgeon is insane .

i'm a scremoaner

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Five out of Five - brilliant :nworthy:

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:D

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No, I don't think supermajorities are used anywhere in U.K. governance. They're normally employed in countries with written constitutions, where amendments to the constitution have been proposed.

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Would the 2/3rds majority required to call an early election not count? Assuming that in such a scenario they don't go for the no confidence option.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: TOMORROW!
 

Agreed but it was the argument used by remoaners after the referendum when there was only a small absolute majority ~ it's funny how some find an argument valid when they don't like an outcome but not when it's the other way round.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: TOMORROW!
 

They can call an election to the Scottish parliament which may/may not give power to the SNP but it is down to Westminster to grant another referendum.

It would be better for the "fishwife" to call an election to see if they were returned with a majority which would tell Westminster that was the will of the electorate rather than the "fishwife" saying it is.

She's posturing and is sh8t scared of going to the people.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: TOMORROW!
 

Well you learn something every day.

Yes, a 2/3 majority is needed to dissolve parliament and call an election.

Sturgeon won't get that. She doesn't have the numbers and the other parties have no reason to cooperate.

Route 2 is a vote of no confidence. Obviously that won't happen either.

Route 3 is intriguing: if Sturgeon resigns as FM and no replacement is appointed within 28 days, then there must be a general election. Would she do that? It would be highly risky.

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I wish she would. Highly unlikely though.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: TODAY!
 

EU ambassador, Sir Tim Barrow will deliver Brexit notification at 12.30 today.

Champagne at the ready guys!

Remoaners take note:-

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...MCNEWEML6619I2

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Song for the day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5Y11hwjMNs
:)

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I voted remain and I have seen noting to change my mind to date. I think leaving is a self destructive move but hey ho, that's democracy... I hope I am wrong but we just don't know yet

I hope the above quite comes true;

A constructive, pragmatic approach has to be the way forward. Selling this however to some will be difficult (Rees-Mogg, Redwood, I am looking at you)

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Well even a broken clock is right twice a day, but so far, all the remainers doom just has not happened. At. All.

Sometimes a little faith and belief in your country is what needed, or you've lost before you've started.

I know it grates on some remainers that we've dared to do this. But you know what?

Feck em,
It's happened, it's happening now, get over it, dry your eyes and paddle with the rest of us, or abandon ship and move to Europe and let us get on with it minus your negativity.

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Certainty? Life outside the EU is uncertain? Well yes it is but the world's an uncertain place. Just look over the pond! Where's the certainty in the EU? The only certainty is that they will continue to press for the creation of a single European state at all costs since it's their entire raison d'etre. It's inconceivable that a UK which had remained within the club could have prevented that or remained outside it. Little by little, by hook or by crook we'd have been drawn in just as we were - further entwined until there could be no leaving. Just look how complicated Brexit already is? Does anyone think that's an accident? No, it's a design feature intended to prevent nations deciding to quit and doing that is not going to be made easier. Brexit will be used as an excuse to further tighten the rules. Where's the certainty inside the EU for the likes of Greece or the Italian banking system? Just look at the social and financial cost of that experiment and the mass unemployment in so many S. European nations. Far far worse than here by the way. Just look at the migration chaos. Does anyone think that's all going to be forgotten and end painlessly? It's funny how some folks will harp on ad nauseam about every little event in the UK that they can possibly cite as a negative consequence of Brexit yet they never seem to have anything to say about what's going on in the EU they want to be grafted onto, including the rise of the right in places like Holland, Austria, France and Germany. These people like to compare Nigel Farage and even some Tories with Hitler yet tell us their response to Brexit will be to move to places like France where Marine Le Pen is in the ascendant. :spin: Then there's the massive problems the EU is facing with Turkey which currently holds the key to the migration door and is being run by a clone of Putin. Their wonderful EU has been kicking so many cans down the road it's lost count and the disagreements within the EU aren't going to disappear - just look at what's going on in Hungary.

Those seeking 'certainty' need to realise there is precious little to be had anywhere. I'd rather my country be master of its own destiny and able to act quickly in its own interests than reduced to a tentacle tip on a German run EU octopus. It's not going to be easy and there will be costs and problems as a direct result of what we're doing but IMHO the costs, problems and uncertainties associated with staying part of the dysfunctional club are far greater. It's in everyone's interests for the UK and EU to work towards a mutually beneficial outcome and the measure of the EU's madness will be to what extent it accepts that fact. If they can't accept a member state leaving their club and are so intransigent that they'd rather make a very costly point than come to a reasonable agreement, what sort of organisation are they and why would we wish to be part of it?

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Hmmm. The £ has dropped in value by 15%. Companies are moving operations to the EU, eg HSBC 1,000 staff to France. Inflation has risen. So some predictions are right. As I think Andrew Marr said in June, things won't be as bad as the remainers predicted nor as good as the Brexiters predicted.

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if you need any help moving i'll pay for a van ;)

Brexit begins! Historic moment for the UK as Article 50 letter is delivered to the EU with Theresa May vowing to forge a 'bright new future' outside the Brussels club

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4ciKnbMRU
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SERVED! Article 50 officially TRIGGERED as Sir Tim Barrow hands Donald Tusk Brexit letter

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...-Brexit-letter

Re: Brexit: Article 50 HAS BEEN TRIGGERED !
 

A list of things that have been triggered this afternoon:

Guardian readers
The Liberal "Democrats"
Nicola Sturgeon
The Daily Mash
Tony Blair

All in all a good day so far.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 HAS BEEN TRIGGERED !
 

Nicola Sturgeon - LOL yeah she's had to pop up it's like a comedy act from spitting image.

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Well you and the rest of them if it's so bad here now that you think you can't live here anymore you know where the exit door is now I'm sure we can get a crowd funding going to help with the move.

In the mean time the rest of us can make a better future for generations to come and when the EU does finally collapse which it will you'll all go down with it.

Regardless of what is going to happen in my generation I voted for the future and the EU isn't part of that

Re: Brexit: Article 50 HAS BEEN TRIGGERED !
 

The only trigger that's needed for them:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/03/3.jpg
:D

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techguyone advised that none of the Remainers' predictions had happened. I pointed out that some had and that reality would probably be somewhere between what Brexiters and Remainers predicted.
Sounds like you would prefer it if people didn't point such things out.

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Looking forward to the exit negotiations :). The EU would do well to remember who its friends are - it has potentially aggressive neighbours to the east; invasive neighbours to the south and disinterested neighbours to the west.

Keep your friends close unless you want your enemies to come closer.

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Or a tax haven to the north. :D

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I liked it. :D

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Good to know exactly when we're out and can start doing things purely for the UK just got to get the negotiations out of the way.

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I think your are wasting your time here. If the predictions don't come true then they will say "told you so" and if they do, they will say "well, it is a price worth paying".

Of course, if there is a price then we all have to pay it, not just the 37% ..

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I have champagne in the fridge for later :)

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Again you attempt to make the unsubstantiated claim that all those who didn't vote would have voted remain. I'll make the opposite claim that they all would have voted leave giving leave a thumping majority. :p:

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I'd say that's a convincing argument. :tu:

I personally know countless thousands of people who didn't vote to leave because they thought it could never happen. :D

Anyway, we are where we are and I'm loving it. I have 2 sons and after decades of experience int he club, I believe the future for them is much brighter outside the EU than in. My own needs come second to theirs.

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I've no doubt we are going to be paying a price for leaving it was a choice I made when I ticked yes to leave.

However I believe the biggest price to pay would have been staying in the EU. Every year they came back to the UK demanding more money. Even after been exempt from future payments to Greece we still ended up putting in.

If I have to get mugged then let it be on my terms not from a union I know nothing about.

Like I already said we might have to pay a price so much things might not change in my generation I'm voting for future generations. We lost the Great in Britain a long time ago viewed by Europeans as a joke and easy pickings.

Now we have started punching back and the bully's don't like it.

I certainly don't have a problem sleeping at night.

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We are on our way out no remain supporters is going to dampen my happy mood no matter what anti brexit stuff they want to regurgitate and two years can't end soon enough for me.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 HAS BEEN TRIGGERED !
 

Hang on, it's gone all quiet in here. There's not a remoaner in sight. My goodness, have they all emigrated? :D

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I voted to stay but as I didn't win I'm fully behind leave now. No point in getting worked up about staying now.

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Well done dilli; we all need to get behind our negotiators.

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Away to PoundLand to stock up on TinFoil for the next batch of hats :p::p:

Re: Brexit: Article 50 HAS BEEN TRIGGERED !
 

i have prosecco wot wiv the exchange rate n that ;)

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l voted to stay but we are going out now and that is it but l won't hesitate in giving a rational opinion on certain aspects of Brexit and of course it would be nice if some forum members would stop resorting to calling us remoaners or resorting to other personal insults either but alas that might be too much to ask one suspects.:)

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Off to eurolalaland more like. Missing them already :( Well, not really :)

Oh, all right. What do you want to be called then? Bottlers? Just joking Den :)

Re: Brexit: Article 50 HAS BEEN TRIGGERED !
 

There has been a fair bit of name calling on both sides not exclusive to one side or the other but we are going out and just the two year waffle stage to go.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 HAS BEEN TRIGGERED !
 

two more years of the same old same old ....

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:tu:

We now need to unite to get the best possible outcome. There's nothing to be gained by undermining our own interests.

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Personally when both sides resort to childish and personal insults it does not say much about them IMO as supposed grown adults are supposed to debate things rationally but sadly there are some who still seem to resort to it.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 HAS BEEN TRIGGERED !
 

there are still those who will do their best to chuck a spanner in the works at every opportunity to try and keep us in the EU club .

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but you get this on the internet all the time

as a telephone/broadband engineer for 38 years i have learned this little trick

if its annoying you turn it off/unplug it and don't play with it anymore ;)

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Actually, I have prosecco as well but said champagne as leave voters are obviously too stupid to know what prosecco is :D

Re: Brexit: Article 50 HAS BEEN TRIGGERED !
 

its cheaper and tastes better ,its a good deal and that's what we all want a good deal ..;)

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:redcard: Eu are banned :handshake: :beer:

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We'll see. Desperately hope I'm wrong, for my kids sake. No one wants the UK to fail. If the TMs intentions are genuine and she wants to be a 'close ally', trading with the EU, begs the question why leave in the first place. Brexiters constantly shouting down and trolling anyone who dares to think different isn't going to help the country come together (a separate issue from Brexit). The vote wasn't overwhelming, the country is evenly split. Many who voted for Brexit are feeling misled e.g. NHS funding.

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i see you listened to both sides :rolleyes:

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Sovereignty and control :shrug: :)
Ally: "a person or group that gives help to another person or group." ....as opposed to member: "a constituent part of any structural or composite whole"
We don't want to be a constituent part of the EU, which is structually unsound.


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I see what you did there :D:dmonk:

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FYI: A couple of posts have been deleted today because it had no bearing on the Topic.

ALL Members (Including myself), now need to start moving Forward. There has been far too much back biting and them vs. the others.

We are ALL Leavers now whether we like it or not.

Article 50 has been invoked, IMO we now need to move forward and discuss the way forward, there is no point in continuing to discuss the merits of staying or leaving because that moment has now passed.

Areas that we should try to discuss amicably regardless of which way you voted:

• What kind of deal do we want?
  
• What kind of deal are we likely to get?
  
• Current reactions to the Prime Minister invoking Article 50 from the other EU Member States?
  
• Realistic time table, will this be completed before March 30th 2019?
  
• What key areas should the UK be try to negotiate on and which ones should they avoid?
  
• Business announcements: I.E Will this encourage or drive business away?
  
• What should the settlement divorce fee be and should we pay some of it, all of it, or none at all?

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

I see nothing wrong with rational debate at all. Now that A50 has been triggered perhaps we will get it.

Hopefully now Mr K & 1andrew1 will stop with their doom and gloom.

I seriously doubt it though.

Now more than ever is the time to stop the pettiness and become united.

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It's all Brexit's fault. It'll rain tomorrow, the dustmen will make a mess outside, the car won't start and some luvvie somewhere will claim they're leaving the UK in search of 'freedom' in the EU. :D

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Osem, I realise your reply was light hearted and I got it and don't mind at all but there are those that may.

I just want everyone to show solidarity now that A50 has been triggered. There's no turning back so let's just get on with it united and together.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

:tu:

I refer the honourable gentleman to the reply I gave earlier:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...&postcount=763

It is the only sensible thing to do now but I can't see it happening sadly.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

I agree whole heartedly.

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Let's stick to the facts shall we? I am not making any claims ...

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The hypocrisy here is staggering. There are threads on this forums that are years old with 1000's of posts where people including yourself have endlessly complained about the EU and how we should leave, etc. etc. 1000's of posts day after day after day ad nauseum ...

Did you shut up and stop arguing your case? No you did not. Why should you? No one has a divine right to absolute truth and no one has the right to tell people to shut up and "tow the party line" as seems to be happening here.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

It's not much of a debate if the only news allowed to be discussed is sugar-coated and only one side of a debate entertained. That type of type of approach is wholly unBritish.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Mick has asked us to move the discussion forward. I am sure most of you have read the Prime Minister's letter today to Donald Tusk. It seems like a good place to start our new, less adversarial, exchanges :).

Personally speaking, I think it is an excellent lead: it is conciliatory without appeasement; it sets the right tone. Cometh the hour, cometh the woman.

Surely, we advanced civilisations can make an agreement to our mutual benefit and keep our pride and friendship intact and surely here at CF we can emulate it.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

So no more childish name calling then? In the spirit of this new detente, why don't you be the first to promise?

Remember, be good :)

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

I am observing Mick's advice; please feel free to offer your opinion on the PM's letter if you want to.

Incidentally, I don't think opposing views are precluded; indeed, the forum would lose its edge without them imho.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Correct, nowhere in my post did I say anything about opposing views, my request was to move the discussion away from the merits if we leave or stayed. We are beyond that debate now.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Well there are many many issues to discuss but one thing l would like is to protect EU nationals currently working and living in this country and reciprocately do the same for UK nationals in the EU and the sooner this is done the better.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

May wanted that agreement done some time ago, but the EU wouldn't play ball until Article 50 was triggered.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 HAS BEEN TRIGGERED !
 

Hrmmm..

Please tell me where you got 37% from then?

Re: Brexit: Article 50 HAS BEEN TRIGGERED !
 

37% of the eligible voting public perhaps :shrug:

This silly girl should have read the above posts, not very helpful and besides how come she has time for this, shouldn't she be busy taking in asylum seekers

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrit...-anti-10123380

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Good imo

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its 37% of those eligible who could be bothered to vote those who couldn't be arsed are obviously remainers and are added to the mathemagical total to remain in the EU. :dunce:

its simple mathemagics or the mathemagics of the simple i forget which one .

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

It's a claim, there is no way to know which way those who chose not to vote, voted.

Therefore we do not include them.

Here is a Fact.

Leave: 51.9% (generally rounded up to 52%)

Remain: 48.1% (generally rounded down - as less than .5 to 48%)

52 +48 = 100

no 37, 69, 99 or anything else.

Fact

So please, no more claims, what-if's, shoulda-woulda-coulda's it makes you look silly & desperate.

It takes you nowhere, it leads you nowhere, at best I suppose it's a comforter for those who can't bear the fact that the unthinkable - happened. Curse those pesky kids oldsters.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

but your using mathematics and logic

others are using mathemagics and wishful thinking

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Moving on....I'm interested in the mathemagics that leads the EU to believe we should pay a divorce settlement of £50bn? And despite their 'no cherrypicking' mantras they want this agreed before anything else is discussed.

No chance, sunshine. Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.

That concludes negotiations because no deal is a deal.

I suggest they start teaching Russian in schools and building lots of permanent shanty camps for their new arrivals.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

i would with hold all EU payments and give them out every time we strike a deal no deal no payment ,there is nothing they want more than our money .

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

Best we pay in roubles then :D 'Course, if they'd like our assistance in defending their borders, there will be a huge bill to pay. Up front; say, £50bn for starters.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

apparently there are only two well armed country's in the EU and we are one of them .

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

I was watching Sky news earlier and they were inferring that because the EU wanted to do it that way, that's how we would have to do it! Are they as anti Brexit as the BBC? the only thing I watch on Sky News, is the 10:30pm newspaper review. Anna Botting, who often does that is as remain as you can get.

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

I'll play...

What kind of deal do we want?

A true free trade agreement - no tariffs or customs declarations needed. Rights of EU citizens in the UK maintained with reciprocal rights for UK citizens abroad. Continued membership of organisations such as European Medicines Agency, European Air Safety Agency, etc.

What kind of deal are we likely to get?

Financial passporting is a red line. I wouldn't be surprised to see tariffs on cars if we subsidise Nissan, etc. to soften the Brexit blow

Current reactions to the Prime Minister invoking Article 50 from the other EU Member States?

I spoke to my German boss and Belgian colleague yesterday. They don't understand why we would do this

Realistic time table, will this be completed before March 30th 2019?

Not a snowballs chance, there will be an interim agreement at best

What key areas should the UK be try to negotiate on and which ones should they avoid?

Financial passporting and citizens rights are critical. If we want to avoid the wrath of Murdoch, Dacre and Desmond, best avoid mentioning anything we would pay for

Business announcements: I.E Will this encourage or drive business away?

It depends on the trade agreement. If we can be like Switzerland or Norway and it's easy to trade with the rest of the EU, then not too big a problem. If there are tariffs, customs checkpoints, etc., this will be a big problem for manufacturing

What should the settlement divorce fee be and should we pay some of it, all of it, or none at all?

We agreed to fund some initiatives, we should pay what we said we would. I would suggest taking a pragmatic approach and offset what we owe against membership of the European organisations like EMA, EASA, etc.

Just my two cents...

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Since we've paid nett many £100b's into the EU there must be a share of assets that we "own" Perhaps we should demand those back? £50b could pale into insignificance against it. :D

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Some of the funding has gone to support the restructuring of industry in eastern Europe and improvement in roads etc there. Those countries were uncompetitive globally and when opened up to free trade, a lot of those industries closed down. Some of the other funding has gone to fund pan-European regulatory bodies. So from a business angle, some of the £8bn a year we send to Brussels is working capital. But some obviously has been invested in buildings etc.
Ultimately, money talks. I suspect the more the UK is willing to pay, the better a trade deal it will get. Ministers will be asking themselves questions like what is the cost of Japanese car manufacturers staying? £5bn? £10bn? £50bn?
I think money is a better negotiating leaver to play than security or EU citizens' rights to remain.

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Financial passporting is very unlikley to happen so the City is relocating parts of its business overseas to continue to serve their EU customers. Ony today, Lloyds of London announced that 100 jobs out of 600 jobs were moving to Brussels.
http://www.standard.co.uk/business/l...-a3502636.html

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Looks like the EU is starting to get nasty it's their way or no way. They could do with a middle man to over see both side's that is neither for or against either side.

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European Courts of Justice? ;) It's not going to be an easy ride and there will be posturing on both sides.