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l am getting worried yet again l totally agree

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"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help. "

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It does seem odd that they've announced this, but not the penalties that websites can expect for non compliance.

There's rumours that it will be enforced by way of a fine of up to a million pounds and the site being blocked, but nothing official yet.

I hope that they will take into account the turnover of any sites found to be in breach. A million pounds is nothing to the likes of Facebook, but would be detrimental to a small local community site (who may well not have the support of backend legal staff etc).

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That's because they don't exist yet.

From your link...

And from the bottom of the article And this is Ofcom's response In summary -

They haven't done anything, the Government are minded to appoint Ofcom to do this (but haven't yet), but if they do, Ofcom will work with providers to put together voluntary guidelines until new laws come in, when ever that is.

Much ado about very little action, just saying that things might happen...

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Good luck in trying to block a site. TPB and the other torrent indexers have been easily reachable (VPN or proxy) for over three years since a court injuction was placed on ISP's to prevent access.

If a site has no assets or employees in the UK or sphere of UK influence there's precious little that could be done to make it pay any fine.

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Once again this is a slegehammer designed for the giant antisocial media sites (Facebook/Twitter/Instagram) without any thought about the effect on the thousands of little sites. Once again it demonstrates how totally ignorant these people are about how the internet works.

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Yup

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The thing about the hysteria surrounding sites such as anorexia, self-harm, or suicide ones, is that the people are actively looking for those subjects regardless of access to those sites. Ironically the biggest publicisers of those subjects are the mainstream media and their hysteria over it all.

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So called grown men threaten 17 year old schoolgirl:

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/b...unberg-3897936

Brave aren't they.

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Guess they aren't members of the gretard movement then.

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Doesn't matter if they agree with her or not, these posts are not acceptable.

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I think Greta is more than capable of coping with these pathetic people..even people who refer to her as gretard..

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If she actually attended school she could be called a schoolgirl ;)

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None of those posts threatened her.

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Creator of the internet says that the web isn't working for women/girls as research shows that most young women surveyed had experienced online violence such as sexual harassment or threatening messages:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...g-women-girls/

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Aren't you supposed to be 'working' from home?


or is this an example of your work?

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Not working today, too tired.

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"online violence" WTF :confused:
Just a nonsense term, made up for dramatic effect.

We all know how reliable surveys are. :rolleyes:
For the record, I just conducted one, and 0% had experienced "sexual harassment or threatening messages".

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It's too easy to conjour up what appear to be alarming figures. For example if you ask a child whether they've ever been bullied at school your likely to get pretty near 100%. Doesn't mean that bullying is a regular occurence for the majority.

I would suspect an artificially inflated figure is here as well.

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I've just asked the 4 people here with me about that, and it seems all 6 of them agree :D

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Katie Hopkins has been permanently suspended from Twitter for 'hateful conduct', namely agains trans people:

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/06/1...He51BQ3zD7EPXo

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Apparently she has moved to Parler This is a new-ish right wing Twitter clone ...

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Thought Gab was the that?

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She should join CF. She'd have carte blanche here ;)

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Lets not generalise the many members of this forum Mr K.;)

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Like you. :dozey:

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Seems Parler has a lot of attention recently:

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-a9579241.html

Looks a very unpleasant place ..

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A comedian (though i've never heard of him) has also been permanently suspended from Twitter for 'hateful conduct', agains trans people:

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/06/2...wGtzzsFSZ_sbZM

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He’s a writer of comedies, such as ”Father Ted" and "The IT Crowd".

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Wish he'd write some more, the current stuff is pretty tame

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More action has been taken against Donald Trump.

He and his supporters have had their forums shut down on Reddit for hate speech:

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ia-hate-speech

He has also been suspended from Twitch:

https://news.sky.com/story/donald-tr...forum-12017636

On a discussion on TV this morning it was said that support for him is haemorrhaging and it's speculated that he may 'mike drop' instead of standing for president again.

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the_donald on reddit was shutdown by the mods 4 months ago only approved posters could post there. they knew what was coming, silicon valley is making sure Trump doesn't win again by removing his supporters.

the_donald has moved to its own site. https://thedonald.win/

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HA! what do they know, a bunch of self important personalities far removed from reality :D

Trump supporters are still out there, and removing their access to some social media groups will only send them underground . . where the snooping/monitoring is probably far less.

America - the land of guns, free speech and violence . . . and some of those being 'hushed' will probably use two of those in future . . . it's the American mindset at work ;)

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They probably wont need any help, it seems unlikely he will win again.
He sneaked in against the odds last time (with less actual votes) but hasnt done much to boost his position since then.
What they need is a decent alternative, and I think they will go for it.

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A little boy who can hardly walk and who has epilepsy has been targetted by online trolls after trying to raise money . They even posted flashing images on the social media of the Epilepsy Society in order to try and trigger epileptic attacks:

The charity is calling for this behaviour to be criminalised under the Online Harm Bill:

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/...palsy-19037854

It just goes to show what those wirh mobility problems & cognitive impairments still have to put up with day in, day out.

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As abhorrent as that behaviour is. I don’t see how it can be classed as criminal behaviour.

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Well if visiting friends can be classed as criminal these days, who knows where it will end ...

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I suppose they'd introduce a law that says that anyone who posts material that causes mental or physical harm or distress out of malice, indifference or carelessness would be subject to penalties. Whether this would relate to the individual, the site that allowed it or both I really don't know.

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I bet there would be quite a few busybodies licking their lips at the prospect of vague legislation like that. :rolleyes:

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Do you think it's right (as was revealed on the news about this last night) that these trolls even started deliberately sending direct messages to members of the Epilepsy Society social media page (including children) with videos likely to trigger an epileptic fit? And all because a little boy wanted to raise some money for charity.

Surely you cannot criticise something designed to stop such behaviour.

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There is a difference we need to be careful of between posting something you know or suspect to be harmful directly to those it would cause harm to and posting something generally that causes harm that you are unaware of the potential harm.

What if you posted a video of a family disco, replete with flashing lights etc and someone sensitive stumbled on it and it caused them a problem?

We already have issues with "hate speech". If you say something that someone else finds hateful it can be construed as such.

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This behaviour even extends to the world of Fantasy Football:

The problem: https://theathletic.com/news/fpl-fan...m/TjHeishbniG1

It's good to see that some websites are taking their responsibilities seriously by cleaning up their act before Ofcom start to do it for them.

Action taken: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...age-abuse.html

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Another stupid waste of time. :rolleyes:

Someone had far too much time on their hands (again).
Now they have [of course] massively over reacted, and deleted all sorts of perfectly valid names.

Idiots.

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They have deleted racist names that would probably offend the black community, homophobic names that would probably offend the LGBT+ community, names trivialising paedophilia and the holocaust that would offend any right thinking person. It's not right that somebody whose black, gay, been the victim of child sex abuse, Jewish etc should be exposed to this, simply because they want to play Fantasy Football.

I do agree that some of the cheeky names that were deleted was possibly an overreaction, but I suppose they're just erring on the side of caution.

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PL FF has existed for 18 years, and yet somehow everyone has survived ok.

This was nothing more than yet another bunch of ******s with too much time on their hands looking for ever more obscure ways to suddenly be "offended".

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A tweet from John Cleese earlier this week:

“ If you can't control your own emotions, you're forced to control other people's behaviour

That's why the touchiest, most oversensitive and easily upset must not set the standard for the rest of us”

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Spot on, sick to death of these bloody do-gooders, can't say anything without some ****ing snowflake or yoghurt knitter being offended.

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Yoghurt knitter - love it!

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Are you being a bit of a snowflake about others being snowflakes? :D

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I personally welcome anything that improves or curtails the behaviour of the minority that seek to gain amusement or pleasure from mocking or attempt to trivialise the effects caused by the holocaust, sexual abuse as a child etc etc.

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Yes, Im sure you do, I bet the twitter brigade love you. :rolleyes:

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If I was offended by the songs and chants at a football match I wouldn't go. Likewise if I found offense at certain TV shows, or youtube videos I'd steer clear.

Makes you wonder why some people still browse twitter farcebook etc knowing they'll come across stuff they don't like . . . almost as though they go looking for it in anticipation.

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I don't use Twitter.

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This was a website as opposed to social media. Anyone should be able to browse the internet without being subjected to material that takes the piss out of those suffering things like PTSD after being raped as a child, lost family in the holocaust or racist, homophobic terms etc.

Society is cleaning up It's act and you'll now find that songs & chants once acceptable at football matches are no longer so.

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As clueless as usual, you just keep repeating what you are fed. :sleep:

You cant just "browse the internet" and suddenly come across them, you have to specifically go looking for them. :dozey:

Unlike you, Ive been using that site for 12 years, We have had a CF league on it for a number of years.
Ive never seen a single team that could "offend" even you and the endless lists you keep coming up with.

They went hunting with the intention of being "offended" and didnt stop until they found what they wanted, no doubt for the publicity.
(Did they just quietly report them, of course not, they made a song and dance about it :td:).

If people are offended by the internet, dont browse it, and dont go looking for it - all views are possible, even ones the snowflakes dont like.

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:clap::clap::clap:

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I new term I recently heard applies to this guy.

"An offence Archeologist" - Some one that goes digging for things to be offended by when no one has actually made any complaint or comment.

Also applies to the media when they go trawling through decade old tweets or facebook posts looking for something a politician of=r other public figure may have said when they were 18 and then try to apply it to them today.

The really annoying thing about this is the way organisations and establishments pander and react to this.

If there was something really bad like "All Jews must die FC" . then of course that is unacceptable and against the law. But "sex drugs and Carlton Cole" is genius.

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'Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never harm me get you fined, imprisoned, sacked, ostracized, blacklisted, deported, hung drawn & quartered'. :rolleyes:

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I wonder if it's in response to his "Dolly Parton is bustier than usual, sorry busier than usual" tweet that wasn't particularly well received the other day probably went down a storm when he first said it in 1980 but not so much now days

You ever noticed those moaning about snowflakes are often the flakiest

They banned sex drugs and Carlton Cole, going to inform the website called the same, guess my FC Kuntz from way back has gone to then based on that, was named in honour of Stefan Kuntz, no other reason...

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That you then?

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No.

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No flakey because mine was an observation not a moan where as yours was a bit ranty

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Yeah, right enough, Dad.:rolleyes:

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Denial is not just a river in Egypt... ;)

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Jeez, and here was I thinking the opposite. ;)

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Most incorrect saying ever, words have driven people (including children) to suicide. We"ve been through this before after you previously posted this nonsense in the thread

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[/COLOR]Either way, extremely offensive content should not be permitted. The names have been removed to allow them to change them to something more appropriate. If they do it a further time, they will be removed from the site. The owners are hardly going to risk sanctions, including prison, to allow them to continue doing it. Would you?

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:D <-- not offended, actually quite amused

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Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Too many regimes have hidden or deleted aspects of history they would like to remove. I say that's a dangerous thing to do. Let's try to be better than our forebears but not try to eradicate our history in doing so. We need to make sure it's all seen including the warts. By all means complain and move slavers statues but make sure that they are placed where we can still acknowledge their failings and possibly any good they did. the same can and should be applied to online material.

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I totally agree, though I think that there's already plenty of harmful/offensive material on the internet to let future historians know how some misused it at the expense of others!

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Probably easier to think that way if you never had a sense of humour that's now been smashed to pieces and buried deep beneath the foundations of the PC empire.

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Unlike you I don't find any humour in child sex abuse, the holocaust, homophobia, racism etc.

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Neither do I, but then I don't go looking for it :p:

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It doesn't matter, such material shouldn't be on the internet.

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In some cases I quite agree, and there are agencies worldwide trying to stop it . . . . and obviously failing due to strange international laws & treaties . . . and the money keeps rolling in :rolleyes:

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Yup.

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Do you not like cards against humanity? Some pretty shocking stuff in there, it's a hilarious game.

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There are to many people who are offended on behalf of those that are not offended. I am 60 years of age and can make my own mind up about what does and does not offend me. I know what i need to do to make sure i do not get offended by using the off button or by avoiding stuff. I don't need weak minded social media sheeple making my mind up for me.

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:clap::clap::clap:

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Im sure you dont find humour in anything.

You are not the thought police, others are allowed to have different opinions to you.

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I do, it's just that I and others think that some things are out of bounds.

I certainly aren't the thought police and everyone will have their own opinion regardless, because we all have our own private thoughts in this world- it's the public expression of some opinions, remarks, behaviour etc that is the problem.

It's not illegal to eg make racist remarks in ones own home, but it's a different matter if it's done in public.

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I'm wondering if Richard has read 1984? Just how far does he want Big Brother to go in restricting freedoms? There are places like China and North Korea that heavily restrict their populace access to the internet as it is. That's the danger I want to avoid in my own country. I welcome the freedoms of the internet even if it means that there is material available that I find disgusting or offensive. Also who get's to be arbiter of what's allowed and what's not? Remember that saying of baby and bathwater? it applies to the freedoms of the internet.

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Its called freedom of thought.:)

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I have a distaste of those that constantly tell other what they can and cannot do. I am old enough and ugly enough to make my own mind up. Your right that the internet is being changed by the offended because they think we are offended. It got nothing to do with them if i am offended or not and they need to wind there necks in and go find a life of there own and stop trying to control mine.

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It's an interesting subject. I suppose the politicians have to balance the right to free speech against the right for others not to have to be upset or extremely offended by what others say. Isn't there a saying that goes along the lines of "I may disagree with what you say, but i'll defend your right to say it".

Matthew Wright is on record, despite being 'politically correct', as saying that the more he thinks about it, the more he thinks people should have the right to say whatever they want to.

There is also the argument that, if you suppress views, the people who want to say them resent the fact that they are prevented from saying them and their views cannot be challenged and can't be persuaded to change them by it being debated. Their views will just fester inside them.

For example, in Germany I believe it is illegal to deny that the holocaust ever took place.

A good example of this approach is that, in the 60's, paedophiles argued for the right of adults to have sex with children and even got some respected organisations to support them (I think one was Amnesty International, who have since said that they regret this).

But where do you draw the line on complete freedom of speech? Should it be legal for someone to say to someone with a facial disfigurement that they look frightening or that they disgust them? Which is more important, the right for someone to say this, or a person with a disfigurement not to have the effects of their misfortune further upsetting them?

There was once a forum that allowed complete freedom of speech, but it got closed down as their web hosting company etc withdrew support.

In fact, if we have freedom of speech, it could be argued that what people say should never be moderated.

Like I say, it's a difficult balancing act for Parliament.

I suppose it depends on what is said and why It's being said. There is a difference between someone shouting insults against black, gay etc people in a deliberate attempt to upset them and a proper adult debate to discuss why some people don't agree with people of colour being in the UK or homosexual acts.

I do agree that this 'woke' culture is going too far and is counter productive in many ways and is being used by some to control people who don't share their views.

Going back to the Fantasy Football issue, I do still agree with the offensive team names being removed as this doesn't stimulate a proper adult debate and merely offends victims of child sex abuse, black/gay people, families affected by the holocaust etc.

Even if people are only exposed to it when looking for it, the fact remains that these offensive terms serve no useful purpose, so shouldn't be allowed as they needlessly upset people.

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I'll tell you what offends me . . .

People who insist that the words to "baa baa black sheep" have racist overtones and should be changed.

The stupidity that I can have a black cat, but not a black neighbour.

'Non white' footballers moaning that they're 'under represented' as managers, when in reality most who've been given the opportunity are bloody useless. Same goes for musicians saying they don't get recognition . . if you have talent you'll get it, if not you just aren't good enough.

Those who insist everything and everyone has to be placed accurately into it's own special box in life, and make silly rules to ensure it happens.

oh, and 'coloured' people with 27 previous claiming they're targeted by police :rolleyes:

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Your first two statements are not congruent with reality... ;)

re your first comment - wiki states [quote] it was alleged in the popular press, it was seen as racially dubious. This was based only on a rewriting of the rhyme in one private nursery as an exercise for the children there and not on any local government policy.[10] A similar controversy emerged in 1999 when reservations about the rhyme were submitted to Birmingham City Council by a working group on racism in children's resources, which were never approved or implemented.[11] Two private nurseries in Oxfordshire in 2006 altered the song to "Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep", with black being replaced with a variety of other adjectives, like "happy, sad, hopping" and "pink".[12] Commentators have asserted that these controversies have been exaggerated or distorted by some elements of the press as part of a more general campaign against political correctness.[quote]

"It was alleged in the popular press" - not like the Daily Mail, Express, and the Sun to make stuff up, is it? :dozey:

re your second statement - two of my grandchildren are mixed heritage, and their father's side of the family don't have a problem with being identified as "black" (being from Afro-Caribbean background).

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Those sorts need watching, if they're the loudest or often only voice in the room their opinions are given a lot more respect and credibility than they deserve

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I also remember all the furore about Enid Blyton's Noddy books and her inclusion of the golliwog in the stories. The removal of said books from some libraries.. She was accused of also being sexist??? I never noticed when I was reading them. It was ridiculous because she was born in a different age to the one that began to emerge in the 70s. Anyone of any sense would have allowed children to read them and then ask the child what they thought and address the issues that way.

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You can add the UK to that list at the moment.

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:clap::clap::clap:

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Does anyone have any links to reliable sources on the things that they're worried about? So far, at least two forum members are happy to place the UK in the same bracket as North Korea and China.

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Trying to prevent excess deaths and the NHS being overwhelmed ≠ North Korea & China - implying they are the same is pure hyperbole and a million miles from the truth.

Things that happen in North Korea that don’t happen in the U.K.

- having a Supreme Leader who, if you question his actions, has you executed
- a One Party State
- complete control of the media
- being sent to prison if you try to access any media/news other than the State media
- state controlled intranet and phone systems (which most of NK can’t access)
- 200,000 people in internment camps because they disagreed with the ruling party, where they are starved and tortured
- persecution, arrest and execution of members of underground Christian churches

Yeh, we’re just like North Korea and China... :dozey:

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:td::td::td:

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Crikey, if it wasn't for their worldwide sales of cheap shoddy products, they'd have nothing going for them :D

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The British like some other countries seem very keen on continually buying these cheap shoddy products though.;)

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China's the workshop of the World. They make everything from Apple and Huawei downwards, not just bargain basement goods.

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Pretty sure NK don't export anything of note...

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Yes l know that Andrew as l was just putting a certain point across in my reply.

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A new 'Digital Markets Unit' is to be created:

https://www.lexology.com/library/det...9-9462339db684

According to today's 'The Media Show', they will be working with Ofcom when they start regulating the internet in the UK:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000py9l

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Good luck with that.

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I guess they havent quite grasped the concept of proxy servers and VPNs yet.

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Exactly.