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Stephen 24-10-2016 20:12
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35865422)
The position is, the new box will be available in around December or January (I expect the latter is more likely. They will not announce the price much ahead of launch as this would give Sky the opportunity to steal a march on them.

You should not be frustrated because the current position has been known for some time. Late November is likely to be the very earliest time that any more information will be released. I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was no information until early January.
It already has with the price rise from VM and the many great offers on Q recently.

pythagoras 24-10-2016 21:59
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35865428)
It already has with the price rise from VM and the many great offers on Q recently.
Agreed. I don't see how VM can compete unless the box is amazing and at an amazing price. For comparison Im getting sky Q silver 2TB box and a mini Q for the bedroom all channels and movies and sports(in Ultra HD) for an installation price of £60 (They need to install a dish and cabling as well as two boxes) and £42 a month for 12 months on a 12 month contract.

Regards

John

OLD BOY 24-10-2016 23:40
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
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Originally Posted by pythagoras (Post 35865461)
Agreed. I don't see how VM can compete unless the box is amazing and at an amazing price. For comparison Im getting sky Q silver 2TB box and a mini Q for the bedroom all channels and movies and sports(in Ultra HD) for an installation price of £60 (They need to install a dish and cabling as well as two boxes) and £42 a month for 12 months on a 12 month contract.

Regards

John
From what I can gather, the new VM box compares very well indeed with Sky Q and the price will be competitive. I don't know why some are talking this down when they have no evidence to back up their pessimism

RichardCoulter 25-10-2016 00:50
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35865393)
If, contrary to the confirmation by Netflix's CEO that Netflix will not screen advertisements, they then decide to do so, my subscription with that company would cease. Simples. I am sure that a huge number would do the same.

Surely, if they wanted to draw in more money from advertising, they could offer an alternative subscription free service (or maybe a reduced subscription offer) with unskippable ads. This would have the attraction of bringing on board excluded customers who cannot afford to pay current subscription prices and make more money for them. That would be acceptable. Putting on ads for a full subscription service would not be.
They may offer a choice, like YouTube ie free/reduced price with advertising & a higher price for an advert free service.

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35865422)
The position is, the new box will be available in around December or January (I expect the latter is more likely. They will not announce the price much ahead of launch as this would give Sky the opportunity to steal a march on them.

You should not be frustrated because the current position has been known for some time. Late November is likely to be the very earliest time that any more information will be released. I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was no information until early January.
...just as everybody has spent up after the festive seasons.

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35865428)
It already has with the price rise from VM and the many great offers on Q recently.
Absolutely.

denphone 25-10-2016 07:15
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35865485)
From what I can gather, the new VM box compares very well indeed with Sky Q and the price will be competitive. I don't know why some are talking this down when they have no evidence to back up their pessimism
Perhaps they are all being payed commission by the enemy OB.;)

Jong1 25-10-2016 09:04
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35865485)
From what I can gather, the new VM box compares very well indeed with Sky Q and the price will be competitive. I don't know why some are talking this down when they have no evidence to back up their pessimism
Honestly, nothing I have heard suggests it even comes close to the refreshed experience of Sky Q:

- Same, outdated, UI
- Yes, faster. It badly needs to be
- No mention of how "multi-room" is handled. No reference to a disc-less Mini Box.
- More tuners, but half that of Sky Q. It's not that we need to record more things at the same time, but to offer multi-room and to offer a next-gen UI. People have theorised a cloud-based DVR but I've heard nothing to suggest this is more than wishful thinking.

And that's without talking about the biggest issue for UHD - content. I guess I should avoid speculating, but I'll be surprised if they do deals for all of Sky's UHD sport and movies and don't have the original shows. They will have Netflix, I expect, but almost all with a UHD set have that via a TV app already.

Of course, we are both speculating, but I'm genuinely interested in what you have heard that lead to your comment.

mike_gain 25-10-2016 10:02
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jong1 (Post 35865500)
Honestly, nothing I have heard suggests it even comes close to the refreshed experience of Sky Q:

- Same, outdated, UI
- Yes, faster. It badly needs to be
- No mention of how "multi-room" is handled. No reference to a disc-less Mini Box.
- More tuners, but half that of Sky Q. It's not that we need to record more things at the same time, but to offer multi-room and to offer a next-gen UI. People have theorised a cloud-based DVR but I've heard nothing to suggest this is more than wishful thinking.

And that's without talking about the biggest issue for UHD - content. I guess I should avoid speculating, but I'll be surprised if they do deals for all of Sky's UHD sport and movies and don't have the original shows. They will have Netflix, I expect, but almost all with a UHD set have that via a TV app already.

Of course, we are both speculating, but I'm genuinely interested in what you have heard that lead to your comment.
When I looked into Sky Q earlier in the year I didn't see that it was that advanced. It seems to be a really good PVR with wireless satellites but nothing that really caught my eye. One of my main put offs with Sky Q was that I got a categorical answer that automatic clash resolution wasn't a feature. As bad as the current TiVO software is this feature still works most of the time and is invaluable.

Sky have done a good job of marketing their new offering as a groundbreaking piece of technology but for many it won't offer more than they already have. In my case, anecdotal as it is, due to having two networked TiVos I already have the networked satellited, 1.5 TB of storage, 6 tuners so I can record 6 things at once and watch 2 recordings. Now that the MRS covers most channels I can watch anything recorded in pretty much either room. One advantage Sky Q has is it can stream recordings to a mobile device....this may eventually become a necessary but if I'm in my house and have time to watch something I'll be watching it on one of my TVs, that's the whole point of a PVR for me.

One of the negatives against Sky Q at the moment (and not really the fault of Sky) is their non adoption of any HDR standard. The box supposedly supports it but they are waiting for standards to be agreed before taking the plunge. If I were to invest in UHD I'd be looking for a box that can a clear and definite HDR support.

With all that said I still don't have much confidence in a Tivo powered V6 being that reliable.

Stephen 25-10-2016 10:26
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
I don't really see that as a negative, they are waiting on a clear and confirmed standard which makes more sense than adding support and then having to change if the standard gets confirmed.

I have had Q for 2 months now and would NOT go back to TiVo at all. Its just such a classy and great system.

Even being able to stream ALL channels to the Tablet app when I go to bed is a big bonus as well as downloading recordings to the tablet for watching when I leave the house.

The clash thing isn't an issue either as there are so many tuners you'll be lucky to get any clashes at all.

mike_gain 25-10-2016 10:39
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35865513)
I don't really see that as a negative, they are waiting on a clear and confirmed standard which makes more sense than adding support and then having to change if the standard gets confirmed.

I have had Q for 2 months now and would NOT go back to TiVo at all. Its just such a classy and great system.

Even being able to stream ALL channels to the Tablet app when I go to bed is a big bonus as well as downloading recordings to the tablet for watching when I leave the house.

The clash thing isn't an issue either as there are so many tuners you'll be lucky to get any clashes at all.
You don't have a box that supports HDR at the moment, regardless of the reasons behind it (which I agree are perfectly reasonable) it doesn't support it at the moment.

My mate works for Sky and he let me have a play with the box (which granted isn't nearly the same as using one all the time). However I'd agree it is a very good PVR, I'm just saying it's not as groundbreaking as Sky are making out (just as the Tivo wasn't as groundbreaking as VM made out). it perfectly reasonable to expect that any imminent PVR will be able to match the SKy Q offerering....although as I said one powered by the current TiVO software is unlikely to be as reliable.

For the record I still don't get the tablet thing, I've downloaded shows to my phone from Amazon for my kids when we're on holiday so maybe something in it but at the moment I'm genuinely not interested in watching anything on a small screen and not in bed....but then I regularly go to sleep listening to hardcore punk and heavy metal so maybe I'm the weird one.

Jong1 25-10-2016 10:42
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mike_gain (Post 35865506)
When I looked into Sky Q earlier in the year I didn't see that it was that advanced. It seems to be a really good PVR with wireless satellites but nothing that really caught my eye. One of my main put offs with Sky Q was that I got a categorical answer that automatic clash resolution wasn't a feature. As bad as the current TiVO software is this feature still works most of the time and is invaluable.

Sky have done a good job of marketing their new offering as a groundbreaking piece of technology but for many it won't offer more than they already have. In my case, anecdotal as it is, due to having two networked TiVos I already have the networked satellited, 1.5 TB of storage, 6 tuners so I can record 6 things at once and watch 2 recordings. Now that the MRS covers most channels I can watch anything recorded in pretty much either room. One advantage Sky Q has is it can stream recordings to a mobile device....this may eventually become a necessary but if I'm in my house and have time to watch something I'll be watching it on one of my TVs, that's the whole point of a PVR for me.

One of the negatives against Sky Q at the moment (and not really the fault of Sky) is their non adoption of any HDR standard. The box supposedly supports it but they are waiting for standards to be agreed before taking the plunge. If I were to invest in UHD I'd be looking for a box that can a clear and definite HDR support.

With all that said I still don't have much confidence in a Tivo powered V6 being that reliable.
We've discussed before how many, once they are used to a UI, don't want to change or can't see the benefits of an updated one. People ridiculed the iPad as an oversized phone that couldn't make calls, before they got to use one.

I'm not saying that's you, but still it can be hard to appreciate the benefits from a spec sheet or a brief play. Sky Q is still in development and has some rough edges. Like you I think HDR and, ideally, BT.2020 needs to come soon. TiVo does also have some advantages - it's smart skip back after fast forward, the ability to keep a limited number of shows in a series link. Also, having to centralise all your recordings on one box doesn't work for everyone. There is considerable annoyance amongst Sky HD users that they can't move to Sky Q without giving up on a separate independent recorder/file store for the kids playroom, for example. But, I'd still say it would be very hard to demonstrate Virgin TiVo to a Sky Q user and have any chance of convincing them to switch. It would be like showing a Nokia Symbian phone from 10 years ago to an iPhone 7 user. That's a big issue going forward.

OLD BOY 25-10-2016 10:47
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35865499)
Perhaps they are all being payed commission by the enemy OB.;)
Yes, I am sure there are one or two Sky agents who try to stir up alarm and despondency on this forum!

Jong1 25-10-2016 11:00
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
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Originally Posted by mike_gain (Post 35865520)
You don't have a box that supports HDR at the moment, regardless of the reasons behind it (which I agree are perfectly reasonable) it doesn't support it at the moment.
The problem is every new Sky innovation has to be applicable first and foremost to football!:D There is no agreed live broadcastable version of HDR at the moment and no devices that can display it, if there was.

Personally I'd prefer Sky Q to support HDR10 (well Dolby Vision would be better but I doubt that's possible for hardware reasons) for On Demand and adopt HLG, or whatever, for live broadcasts in-time, but.......LIVE FOOTBALL!!!!! What could they do???

Horizon 25-10-2016 13:11
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
.... the BBC and Japan's NHK have adopted HLG as their HDR standard which is backwards compataible with current 4k tvs. So, as they are the two most advanced broadcasters in the world, I would assume HLG will be the HDR standard for broadcast tv.

HDR10 and Dolby Vision being the other standards, so it can't be that difficult for VM to have all three built into their new V6 right from the start.

As for SkyQ, I don't know if their boxes can be software upgraded for all three standards. Sky are very quiet on the issue, but as they're going to launch 4k footie, they must be using at least one HDR standard and as HLG is able to be used for all current 4k tvs, I think you have your answer...

muppetman11 25-10-2016 13:37
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35865561)
.... the BBC and Japan's NHK have adopted HLG as their HDR standard which is backwards compataible with current 4k tvs. So, as they are the two most advanced broadcasters in the world, I would assume HLG will be the HDR standard for broadcast tv.

HDR10 and Dolby Vision being the other standards, so it can't be that difficult for VM to have all three built into their new V6 right from the start.

As for SkyQ, I don't know if their boxes can be software upgraded for all three standards. Sky are very quiet on the issue, but as they're going to launch 4k footie, they must be using at least one HDR standard and as HLG is able to be used for all current 4k tvs, I think you have your answer...
They have already launched UHD football and pretty good it is.

BenMcr 25-10-2016 13:47
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35865561)
.... the BBC and Japan's NHK have adopted HLG as their HDR standard which is backwards compataible with current 4k tvs. So, as they are the two most advanced broadcasters in the world, I would assume HLG will be the HDR standard for broadcast tv.

HDR10 and Dolby Vision being the other standards, so it can't be that difficult for VM to have all three built into their new V6 right from the start.

As for SkyQ, I don't know if their boxes can be software upgraded for all three standards. Sky are very quiet on the issue, but as they're going to launch 4k footie, they must be using at least one HDR standard and as HLG is able to be used for all current 4k tvs, I think you have your answer...
By the looks of it, both options are going to be part of the DVB standard:
http://www.digitaltveurope.net/55116...ecommendation/

Quote:
Wood said that the HDR TV recommendation of the ITU-R is now due on July 4. He said that the recommendation for HDR, which can be applied to 4K and 8K video, but also to existing 1080p HD TV, includes both the Perceptual Quantizer (PQ) system – recommended by Dolby – and the Hybrid Log Gamma (HLG) system, developed originally by the BBC and NHK. Wood said the ITU-R should have a recommendation on PG or HLG soon.
The ITU then seem to have decided to keep both options:
http://www.itu.int/en/mediacentre/Pages/2016-PR27.aspx

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The HDR-TV Recommendation details two options for producing High Dynamic Range TV images. The Perceptual Quantization (PQ) specification achieves a very wide range of brightness levels using a transfer function that is finely tuned to match the human visual system and the Hybrid Log-Gamma (HLG) specification which offers a degree of compatibility with legacy displays by more closely matching the previously established television transfer curves. The Recommendation also outlines a simple conversion process between the two HDR-TV options.

Jong1 25-10-2016 13:48
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35865568)
They have already launched UHD football and pretty good it is.
No HDR though.

Yes, I'd expect HLG to be the broadcast standard and HDR10 to be the other. Dolby Vision requires Dolby licenced hardware in the box. I don't expect Sky has it, or I think they would have said. Might be wrong though. We will see about the V6.

muppetman11 25-10-2016 13:51
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
I was looking at the US cable cos next generation boxes the other day , it would seem Comcast use a Main DVR with hard drive and then slave type boxes with no tuner or hard drive.
The system they had in place was 6 tuners which basically provided 4 for recording one for live TV on the DVR with the further tuner reserved for live TV on the slave box although people did suggest the more slaves you had what were in use the more it impacted your available recordable tuners.

Wonder if VM will adopt similar or whether it will be like the current implementation of each box is recordable with the ability to stream recordings between the two.

Jong1 25-10-2016 13:56
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35865561)
As for SkyQ, I don't know if their boxes can be software upgraded for all three standards. Sky are very quiet on the issue, but as they're going to launch 4k footie, they must be using at least one HDR standard and as HLG is able to be used for all current 4k tvs, I think you have your answer...
I am not sure this is true. At the very least, existing HDR set makers have not said they will upgrade current sets.

What is true is that HLG can be carried with existing broadcasts and ignored by incompatible sets, without messing them up. That, of course, is very different from them supporting HLG.

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35865573)
The system they had in place was 6 tuners which basically provided 4 for recording one for live TV on the DVR with the further tuner reserved for live TV on the slave box
This is, if you didn't know, the Sky Q model, except with 12 tuners:

- 4 for recording
- 1 for main TV (dedicated)
- 2 for secondary discless boxes, "Minis". Also dedicated
- 2 for tablets (dedicated)
- 2 for the UI
- 1 reserved for future use

muppetman11 25-10-2016 13:58
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
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Originally Posted by Jong1 (Post 35865571)
No HDR though.

Yes, I'd expect HLG to be the broadcast standard and HDR10 to be the other. Dolby Vision requires Dolby licenced hardware in the box. I don't expect Sky has it, or I think they would have said. Might be wrong though. We will see about the V6.
I never said it did I said they've already launched UHD footy , the lead on the Sky Q project said he's confident the standards for HDR will work with the current Sky Q hardware. Remember Sky is part of the UHD alliance so I'm pretty sure they know what's going on in the industry and requirements for the different standards.

Horizon 25-10-2016 14:06
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jong1 (Post 35865574)
I am not sure this is true. At the very least, existing HDR set makers have not said they will upgrade current sets.

What is true is that HLG can be carried with existing broadcasts and ignored by incompatible sets, without messing them up. That, of course, is very different from them supporting HLG.
I agree, which is why I didn't buy a "HDR" tv this year.

When next years tvs come out, I'm looking for the "compatible with HDR BBC Iplayer shows" badge, or whatever it will be called before I hand over my cash.

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35865578)
I never said it did I said they've already launched UHD footy , the lead on the Sky Q project said he's confident the standards for HDR will work with the current Sky Q hardware. Remember Sky is part of the UHD alliance so I'm pretty sure they know what's going on in the industry and requirements for the different standards.
When the BBC were doing their 4k/HDR tests earlier this year they were using a transponder on the Astra satellite and I'd bet Sky were involved in that.

As Jong said, current tvs may be compatible with HLG, but its whether the tv manufacturers choose to enable the feature. Samsung were asked this directly a few months ago whether they would enable HLG on their current HDR tvs and their response was silence.... yet they tout their top of their range tvs as being fully HDR compatible.

mike_gain 25-10-2016 14:14
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jong1 (Post 35865522)
We've discussed before how many, once they are used to a UI, don't want to change or can't see the benefits of an updated one. People ridiculed the iPad as an oversized phone that couldn't make calls, before they got to use one.

I'm not saying that's you, but still it can be hard to appreciate the benefits from a spec sheet or a brief play. Sky Q is still in development and has some rough edges.
If Sky Q just has a better UI it kind of back up my point that it's not as revolutionary as is being made out. I think the UI is very sleek but it doesn't have the functionality that I don't already have available to me. In short looks and feels great but not enough to justify taking out a Sky contract.

This comes from more than just a quick play, perhaps poor choice of words on my part. I spent a few weeks running through some tests I had to see the outcome, comparing it with my Tivo. I was genuinely interested in switching to Sky but felt slightly underwhelmed, the same way i would if someone brought a Sonos system to my house and started playing music wirelessly.....when I already have this via several of Raspery Pis and several Class-D amps.

My main point is that Sky Q isn't as far ahead that a new PVR couldn't at least match it and VM customers can at least expect this will be the case with the new Tivo. However my own opinion is that a TiVO powered VM box is unlikely to be up to the job both when it's released and, due to Sky's apparent frequency of updating Sky Q, in the future.

Jong1 25-10-2016 14:23
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35865578)
I never said it did I said they've already launched UHD footy , the lead on the Sky Q project said he's confident the standards for HDR will work with the current Sky Q hardware. Remember Sky is part of the UHD alliance so I'm pretty sure they know what's going on in the industry and requirements for the different standards.
Absolutely, not disagreeing with any of that.

Horizon 25-10-2016 14:24
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mike_gain (Post 35865583)
If Sky Q just has a better UI it kind of back up my point that it's not as revolutionary as is being made out. I think the UI is very sleek but it doesn't have the functionality that I don't already have available to me. In short looks and feels great but not enough to justify taking out a Sky contract.

This comes from more than just a quick play, perhaps poor choice of words on my part. I spent a few weeks running through some tests I had to see the outcome, comparing it with my Tivo. I was genuinely interested in switching to Sky but felt slightly underwhelmed, the same way i would if someone brought a Sonos system to my house and started playing music wirelessly.....when I already have this via several of Raspery Pis and several Class-D amps.

My main point is that Sky Q isn't as far ahead that a new PVR couldn't at least match it and VM customers can at least expect this will be the case with the new Tivo. However my own opinion is that a TiVO powered VM box is unlikely to be up to the job both when it's released and, due to Sky's apparent frequency of updating Sky Q, in the future.
I just want the feature to reorder the channels wherever I want and on whatever numbers I want. I can do this on my 10 year old freeview box costing £17, yet have not been able to do this on a cable box for a similar amount of time.

I don't want advanced stuff, just basic things including speed of use.

Jong1 25-10-2016 14:30
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35865580)
I agree, which is why I didn't buy a "HDR" tv this year.

When next years tvs come out, I'm looking for the "compatible with HDR BBC Iplayer shows" badge, or whatever it will be called before I hand over my cash.

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When the BBC were doing their 4k/HDR tests earlier this year they were using a transponder on the Astra satellite and I'd bet Sky were involved in that.

As Jong said, current tvs may be compatible with HLG, but its whether the tv manufacturers choose to enable the feature. Samsung were asked this directly a few months ago whether they would enable HLG on their current HDR tvs and their response was silence.... yet they tout their top of their range tvs as being fully HDR compatible.
As an owner of a 2016 LG OLED I have a very personal interest in this one!

LG have gone further than Samsung, demonstrating HLG on their "newest OLED TVs". Nonetheless I am still not putting any big bets on it!

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Originally Posted by mike_gain (Post 35865583)
If Sky Q just has a better UI it kind of back up my point that it's not as revolutionary as is being made out. I think the UI is very sleek but it doesn't have the functionality that I don't already have available to me. In short looks and feels great but not enough to justify taking out a Sky contract.

This comes from more than just a quick play, perhaps poor choice of words on my part. I spent a few weeks running through some tests I had to see the outcome, comparing it with my Tivo. I was genuinely interested in switching to Sky but felt slightly underwhelmed, the same way i would if someone brought a Sonos system to my house and started playing music wirelessly.....when I already have this via several of Raspery Pis and several Class-D amps.

My main point is that Sky Q isn't as far ahead that a new PVR couldn't at least match it and VM customers can at least expect this will be the case with the new Tivo. However my own opinion is that a TiVO powered VM box is unlikely to be up to the job both when it's released and, due to Sky's apparent frequency of updating Sky Q, in the future.
Fair enough. I would say that Sky Q offers more than juts a UI refresh. Again, a bit like the iPad, it opens up a different way of working that is hard to back away from. But I get that not everyone will ever feel the need for it.

Horizon 25-10-2016 14:51
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jong1 (Post 35865587)
As an owner of a 2016 LG OLED I have a very personal interest in this one!

LG have gone further than Samsung, demonstrating HLG on their "newest OLED TVs". Nonetheless I am still not putting any big bets on it!.
Blimey, you've got money to burn...! I saw those in the shops, very nice.

I think for you, regardless of HDR, any of those OLED tvs are far, far better than any LCD tv on the market today. So, perhaps you might lose a bit of extra colour if it doesn't turn out to be compatible, but really, they're the best tvs around. If I had one of those, I wouldn't be too fussed with HDR.

Do you like it?:)

BTW, Samsung also demonstrated HLG on a specially modded 2016 tv. That was when they were asked if they were going to upgrade all their tvs, only for the questioner to be met with a wall of silence.

Jong1 25-10-2016 15:07
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
The closest I have ever seen to the perfect TV! Hard to fault. Even SDR looks HDR-like, with those inky blacks :)

Very much recommended!

Horizon 25-10-2016 15:14
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
I'm hoping the price of the current oled models will come down a lot when the new ones come out, so I will consider then.

I do need a new tv for the living room and was looking at a panasonic, but for the reasons already stated I will wait until next year and see what the manufacturers release.

Ultimate.Conj 25-10-2016 15:41
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
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Originally Posted by Jong1 (Post 35865595)
The closest I have ever seen to the perfect TV! Hard to fault. Even SDR looks HDR-like, with those inky blacks :)

Very much recommended!
Mine is coming Thursday :-)
Ready to be hooked up to the PS4 pro and V6 (when it finally comes out) :-)

Jong1 25-10-2016 16:20
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Enjoy! It's a great set :)

Ultimate.Conj 25-10-2016 18:21
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Streaming from V6 box to phone/tablet/laptop via TV Anywhere app will be a feature...woo hoo.

Info thanks to SENSE on the Coming Soon thread

denphone 25-10-2016 18:24
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35865623)
Streaming from V6 box to phone/tablet/laptop via TV Anywhere app will be a feature...woo hoo.

Info thanks to SENSE on the Coming Soon thread
And there you was the other day being a pessimistic little soul.;)

Horizon 25-10-2016 18:31
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
The fact that VM are talking about V6 in relation to TV Anywhere would suggest it's about to launch otherwise why bother mentioning it?

1andrew1 25-10-2016 18:32
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35865627)
And there you was the other day being a pessimistic little soul.;)
Believ6 in better :)

Ultimate.Conj 25-10-2016 18:32
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35865627)
And there you was the other day being a pessimistic little soul.;)
Really, Are you sure?
I've never said anything bad about the V6 box :angel:

denphone 25-10-2016 18:41
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35865632)
Really, Are you sure?
I've never said anything bad about the V6 box :angel:
It was meant in jest UC.:)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35865631)
Believ6 in better :)
No doubt the usual reliable doomsayers will say entirely the opposite Andrew.;)

muppetman11 25-10-2016 18:51
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Wonder why it says stream selected recordings ? I thought the current TiVo allowed Multiroom streaming of all channels now.

Ddonald2016 25-10-2016 21:12
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
This was added info about v6 on tv anywhere but selected recordings will stream to phone

With a TiVo® box, your app lets you:

Control your TV – if your device is connected to the same home network as your Hub. You can easily scroll through the channels, see what’s on, then flick it to your main TV screen. Magic!
Manage your recordings – set up a Series Link+ from anywhere in the world when you’re connected to the internet


If you have a V6 box, you can also:

Watch some recordings on your mobile or tablet at home or download them to watch anywhere offline

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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35865640)
Wonder why it says stream selected recordings ? I thought the current TiVo allowed Multiroom streaming of all channels now.
This is about v6 box and the features the app will provide. So we will face some restrictions on what recordings we can download from v6 to tablet ( sky sports and movies maybe ) and steaming not allowed on 3G or 4g

When it comes to any sky movies if you can find them it's not easy it says "content not available when your away from your home network" I'm on my home network all else is fine apart from sky premium

When you go into what to watch and movies, there are movies just not sky movies and no Sky sports on demand to watch either

Also they claim "Sky Cinema and Sky Sports on your computer, iPad, iPhone and iPod touch and Android mobile or tablet

Access your subscribed Sky Cinema and Sky Sports channels wherever you have a data connection on 3G, 4G or Wi-Fi" well I tested it and 3G 4g doesn't work

pythagoras 25-10-2016 21:53
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35865485)
From what I can gather, the new VM box compares very well indeed with Sky Q and the price will be competitive. I don't know why some are talking this down when they have no evidence to back up their pessimism
What have you gathered? I hope its more than VM are advertising as they are only advertising Netflix and youtube in 4K, no other channels or content:
https://keepup.virginmedia.com/befirst

Lets hope its more than this or the Sky Q will stay and the Tivo boxes will be going back.

Ddonald2016 25-10-2016 22:04
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pythagoras (Post 35865685)
What have you gathered? I hope its more than VM are advertising as they are only advertising Netflix and youtube in 4K, no other channels or content:
https://keepup.virginmedia.com/befirst

Lets hope its more than this or the Sky Q will stay and the Tivo boxes will be going back.
I agree but the apps lack of sky movies and sky sports box sets and no access to any sly movies or sports is not a good sign

BenMcr 25-10-2016 22:15
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35865674)
Also they claim "Sky Cinema and Sky Sports on your computer, iPad, iPhone and iPod touch and Android mobile or tablet

Access your subscribed Sky Cinema and Sky Sports channels wherever you have a data connection on 3G, 4G or Wi-Fi" well I tested it and 3G 4g doesn't work
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35865689)
I agree but the apps lack of sky movies and sky sports box sets and no access to any sly movies or sports is not a good sign
Sky Cinema and Sky Sports have their own apps. The channels and On Demand content isn't available through the main TV Anywhere app

Ddonald2016 25-10-2016 22:34
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35865691)
Sky Cinema and Sky Sports have their own apps. The channels and On Demand content isn't available through the main TV Anywhere app
Yeah but I have just been told for the foreseeable we can't download any sky premium content from v6 to our boxes due to sky restrictions. So you got a favourite movie on your V6 you WONT be able to download the recordings to your tablet device unlike Sky Q and a manager I spoke to said the only confirmed 4K will be Netflix reduced to £7 for V6 customers, youtube 4K, some virgin movies in 4K between £6.99 and £9.99 for 2 day rental and are in talks with BT Sport but no sky content from any sky channel in 4K.

muppetman11 25-10-2016 23:50
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Sky don't have any UHD channels anyway , they have certain movies available On Demand , some box set On Demand and a few Football matches a week available through the red button.

If it wasn't for the Multiroom and flexibility side of Sky Q I certainly wouldn't pay for UHD alone.

pythagoras 26-10-2016 00:02
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35865718)
Sky don't have any UHD channels anyway , they have certain movies available On Demand , some box set On Demand and a few Football matches a week available through the red button.

If it wasn't for the Multiroom and flexibility side of Sky Q I certainly wouldn't pay for UHD alone.
This looks like a lot of 4K content to me:

Sky Q 4K content will include 124 live Premier League games, every Formula 1 race from 2017, 70 movies including Spectre and The Revenant, 30 hours of natural history and new dramas such as The Blacklist. Customers will be able to browse the 4K content via dedicated 'Ultra HD' sections.

And more to come.

Ddonald2016 26-10-2016 00:22
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pythagoras (Post 35865722)
This looks like a lot of 4K content to me:

Sky Q 4K content will include 124 live Premier League games, every Formula 1 race from 2017, 70 movies including Spectre and The Revenant, 30 hours of natural history and new dramas such as The Blacklist. Customers will be able to browse the 4K content via dedicated 'Ultra HD' sections.

And more to come.
Sadly all the above won't be coming to V6, according to tests there isn't a UHD section in the software at all but box is 4K ready

Derekb108 26-10-2016 00:38
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35865730)
Sadly all the above won't be coming to V6, according to tests there isn't a UHD section in the software at all but box is 4K ready
The V6 isn't out yet lets see what January brings...

Ddonald2016 26-10-2016 00:47
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Derekb108 (Post 35865732)
The V6 isn't out yet lets see what January brings...
Well the fact that all 4K sky channel material is sky exclusive till march 2018?that don't look good

Derekb108 26-10-2016 01:12
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35865733)
Well the fact that all 4K sky channel material is sky exclusive till march 2018?that don't look good
Thats what sky does, they don't have exclusivity over HD now, we knew this would happen with 4K would be exclusive....

Ddonald2016 26-10-2016 02:02
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Derekb108 (Post 35865738)
Thats what sky does, they don't have exclusivity over HD now, we knew this would happen with 4K would be exclusive....
Yeah it's true but what do we have or need a 4K box for

bubblegun 26-10-2016 05:10
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pythagoras (Post 35865722)
This looks like a lot of 4K content to me:

Sky Q 4K content will include 124 live Premier League games

Sky have 126 games this season from the English Premier League.

Which 2 games aren't going to be UHD? Does anyone know yet, or is this a typo?

pythagoras 26-10-2016 10:20
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35865749)
Yeah it's true but what do we have or need a 4K box for
Well, there is a lot of netflix and youtube 4K content.

spiderplant 26-10-2016 10:24
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Derekb108 (Post 35865732)
The V6 isn't out yet lets see what January brings...
What's all this talk of January? VM have been quite clear that it'll be out this year.

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/new-produ...os-v6-3640324/

Jong1 26-10-2016 10:35
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Are there any 4K capable TVs that don't have their own Netflix/YouTube app?

There was kind of a point with the original TIVo, as it had its own modem and broadband was slower, but now??

Ultimate.Conj 26-10-2016 10:42
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
I don't think so Jong. Even the 4K blu ray players have Netflix and You Tube aps to access the 4K content

denphone 26-10-2016 10:46
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35865780)
What's all this talk of January? VM have been quite clear that it'll be out this year.

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/new-produ...os-v6-3640324/
l would say mid to late November SP but alas its more then your jobs worth to reveal anything to us which l fully understand.:)

BenMcr 26-10-2016 11:16
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jong1 (Post 35865781)
Are there any 4K capable TVs that don't have their own Netflix/YouTube app?

There was kind of a point with the original TIVo, as it had its own modem and broadband was slower, but now??
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35865784)
I don't think so Jong. Even the 4K blu ray players have Netflix and You Tube aps to access the 4K content
TiVo's search will go across Netflix and other On Demand sources to find content.

So even if 4K TVs have Netflix and YouTube, then it's much easier to find content what you want via one interface.

muppetman11 26-10-2016 11:29
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Don't some of the smart devices already do that probably even some of the smart tvs. BT Youview 4K box already does it.

1andrew1 26-10-2016 11:29
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35865780)
What's all this talk of January? VM have been quite clear that it'll be out this year.

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/new-produ...os-v6-3640324/
That article does not state that the box will definitely out this year.
It confirms that the TV service will be rebranded as Virgin TV in 2016. The strapline to the article says "...should arrive later this year."

OLD BOY 26-10-2016 11:34
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35865780)
What's all this talk of January? VM have been quite clear that it'll be out this year.

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/new-produ...os-v6-3640324/
Yes, sorry, that was my fault, spiderplant. Although I have been hoping for a pre-Christmas date, I thought it safer not to bank on it!

mike_gain 26-10-2016 11:35
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35865795)
Don't some of the smart devices already do that probably even some of the smart tvs. BT Youview 4K box already does it.
Pretty sure Roku boxes search across content providers.

Ultimate.Conj 26-10-2016 11:38
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35865792)
TiVo's search will go across Netflix and other On Demand sources to find content.

So even if 4K TVs have Netflix and YouTube, then it's much easier to find content what you want via one interface.
Ben, will the V6 have it's own dedicated internet source like the Tivo? Not sure if it's true, but is the Tivo's line 10meg?

I'm guessing for 4K content this will need to be increased for the V6?

1andrew1 26-10-2016 11:44
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mike_gain (Post 35865799)
Pretty sure Roku boxes search across content providers.
But Rokus in the UK don't provide live channels or recording ability so by definition it cannot search these unlike Tivo.

Jong1 26-10-2016 12:15
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimate.Conj (Post 35865801)
Ben, will the V6 have it's own dedicated internet source like the Tivo? Not sure if it's true, but is the Tivo's line 10meg?

I'm guessing for 4K content this will need to be increased for the V6?
It's been stated the new box does not have a modem. It uses your Superhub for broadband access.

mike_gain 26-10-2016 12:19
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35865803)
But Rokus in the UK don't provide live channels or recording ability so by definition it cannot search these unlike Tivo.
Sorry I thought the question was in relation to 4k content.

Ultimate.Conj 26-10-2016 12:19
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jong1 (Post 35865811)
It's been stated the new box does not have a modem. It uses your Superhub for broadband access.
Perfect, cheers for the info, Jong :)

Speed won't be a problem then, good times :angel:

Ddonald2016 26-10-2016 13:09
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Yeah but a 4K box where to access 4K we need to pay an additional sub, when sky well have a lot

1andrew1 26-10-2016 13:19
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35865821)
Yeah but a 4K box where to access 4K we need to pay an additional sub, when sky well have a lot
No one definitely knows the pricing or content yet so it's hard to compare the V6 and Sky Q.

spiderplant 26-10-2016 13:30
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35865796)
That article does not state that the box will definitely out this year.
It does, a bit further down.

"and has since said that the box will arrive in "late 2016.""

Joedm45 26-10-2016 13:43
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
To add to spiderplants comments, I've seen posts by the VM Facebook team telling customers the V6 will be released by the end of the year.

Make of that what you will

Ddonald2016 26-10-2016 13:44
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35865823)
No one definitely knows the pricing or content yet so it's hard to compare the V6 and Sky Q.
I have had it confirmed 3 times from 3 people, including a manager involved in the testing, there was a meeting last week sky will not give any 4k material at the current time, but in 2018 it might change, but our sky movies and sports keeps increasing

1andrew1 26-10-2016 13:51
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35865824)
It does, a bit further down.

"and has since said that the box will arrive in "late 2016.""
Sorry - did not see the second part of the article originally.

denphone 26-10-2016 14:12
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joedm45 (Post 35865825)
To add to spiderplants comments, I've seen posts by the VM Facebook team telling customers the V6 will be released by the end of the year.

Make of that what you will
If they work for Virgin Media they will be under NDA's agreements in their working contract so they would be very unwise to reveal anything about when it is going to be released.

1andrew1 26-10-2016 16:09
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35865832)
If they work for Virgin Media they will be under NDA's agreements in their working contract so they would be very unwise to reveal anything about when it is going to be released.
Yes, that's what I've been thinking too. Certainly heard no reports on here of anyone testing a V6 box!

Media Boy UK 26-10-2016 16:33
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35865832)
If they work for Virgin Media they will be under NDA's agreements in their working contract so they would be very unwise to reveal anything about when it is going to be released.

An new app is testing - Our Sources have seen it testing.

We know the name of the app but it was given under an do not post order.

blue666666 26-10-2016 17:23
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
does sky have 4k channel yet sport in 4k is a red button, is the film the same way or is their a 4k channel?

muppetman11 26-10-2016 17:37
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Sky has no UHD channel , when the Premier league games are on they can be reached by the red button or via the Sport - Ultra HD menu. Sky Boxsets and Movies UHD content is only available from On Demand.

blue666666 26-10-2016 17:47
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
so any deal with sky then will be for On Demand.and red button for sport.so the v6 can.t launch with any 4k channels as there is none.

Ddonald2016 26-10-2016 18:55
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35865870)
Sky has no UHD channel , when the Premier league games are on they can be reached by the red button or via the Sport - Ultra HD menu. Sky Boxsets and Movies UHD content is only available from On Demand.
Correct but sky won't be making any 4K content available for on demand and also requests for sky cinema and sky sports app to include to download to device was rejected by sky

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35865853)
An new app is testing - Our Sources have seen it testing.

We know the name of the app but it was given under an do not post order.
If in Honest MB. I lost interest in Virgin, they will tell us nothing about the new box, no specs, features nothing but they want is to be interested with a picture

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Quote:
Originally Posted by blue666666 (Post 35865871)
so any deal with sky then will be for On Demand.and red button for sport.so the v6 can.t launch with any 4k channels as there is none.
Information from a trusted source says the 4K UHD sky content won't be added to virgin media on demand, but don't worry virgin have a wealth of 4K and unlike sky will cost extra

1. YouTube 4K maybe not on launch day ( also on sky)

2. Netflix but 4K will cost £7 a month V6 discount

3. Some Sky movies currently on sky on demand will appear for 2 days rental for £4.99

4. Virgin movies UHD between £6.99 and £9.99

That on top of any installation costs and any TiVo fee, think I'll stick with original TiVo. Also I can already get YouTube 4K via my TV and Netflix 4K

muppetman11 26-10-2016 19:32
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
This so called trusted source of yours hasn't really got a clue has he ,

YouTube is available on Sky however not in UHD so basically only the same as the current VM Tivo.

Sky Movies is a subscription service and as a such won't be available on a pay per view basis no matter what you've been told.

Why not wait until an official press release from Virgin Media.

pythagoras 26-10-2016 19:35
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
2 Attachment(s)
All fitted alongside my Tivo box and connected to an Oled TV. Took around an hour.

heero_yuy 26-10-2016 19:52
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pythagoras (Post 35865912)
All fitted alongside my Tivo box and connected to an Oled TV. Took around an hour.
That's a pretty packed shelf unit you've got there. :tu:

Mine's only got the VHD box, a Sony DVD recorder with HDD and a modulator. The SHUB1 is banished behind some drapes because of the disco lights.:D

denphone 26-10-2016 20:05
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35865911)
This so called trusted source of yours hasn't really got a clue has he ,

YouTube is available on Sky however not in UHD so basically only the same as the current VM Tivo.

Sky Movies is a subscription service and as a such won't be available on a pay per view basis no matter what you've been told.

Why not wait until an official press release from Virgin Media.
Indeed what source..;)

Ddonald2016 26-10-2016 20:56
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35865921)
Indeed what source..;)
Hi it's a senior tech guy working on the trials for new v6 at head office

Ddonald2016 26-10-2016 23:55
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Somebody online in the App Store made a good point, how is it tv anywhere is you need to find a wifi hotspot

Stephen 27-10-2016 07:59
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
You get WiFi pretty much everywhere now though.

jb66 27-10-2016 08:02
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35865995)
You get WiFi pretty much everywhere now though.
You really don't. Kids can't watch TV on a car trip

Stephen 27-10-2016 08:16
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Your need a ton of data to be able to do that which is one reason it was limited to WiFi.

jb66 27-10-2016 09:30
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
That's not Virgin medias concern

Ddonald2016 27-10-2016 10:08
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35865998)
Your need a ton of data to be able to do that which is one reason it was limited to WiFi.
But maybe give us customers the choice. Like on my phone I can choose to stream material in Low med and high quality and one that with v6 will be limited, download to tablet. But even for streaming we do get to choose

---------- Post added at 09:08 ---------- Previous post was at 09:08 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35866003)
That's not Virgin medias concern
Exactly virgin media needs to let customers decide

Stephen 27-10-2016 10:13
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Well when the app was first out in to testing you could use it over mobile data. It was blocked on final release.

muppetman11 27-10-2016 10:36
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35865997)
You really don't. Kids can't watch TV on a car trip
4G coverage in a moving car is patchy at best , better to download the show/movie so no Internet at all is needed.

Ddonald2016 27-10-2016 11:05
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35866017)
4G coverage in a moving car is patchy at best , better to download the show/movie so no Internet at all is needed.
unfortunately but they say you can download selected content from your recordings

---------- Post added at 10:05 ---------- Previous post was at 10:03 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35866012)
Well when the app was first out in to testing you could use it over mobile data. It was blocked on final release.
Hi but if certain recordings from some channels are not allowed to download and we not near wifi what do we do. I think it should be called Tv WIFI

Skie 29-10-2016 17:58
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35865995)
You get WiFi pretty much everywhere now though.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35865998)
Your need a ton of data to be able to do that which is one reason it was limited to WiFi.
Shame that the ubiquitous wifi hotspots that are popping up everywhere are completely pathetic when it comes to actual bandwidth. O2 seem to have hotspots in nearly every pub chain and high street store but 20k/sec down and less up means I'd be better streaming on a potato.

4G is here, 3's 3G has been fast for a long time, so why they don't allow it over data like even the iPlayer does makes no sense. It's probably cost saving so they don't have to support more bitrates, but it makes the app useless.

Ddonald2016 29-10-2016 23:34
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skie (Post 35866470)
Shame that the ubiquitous wifi hotspots that are popping up everywhere are completely pathetic when it comes to actual bandwidth. O2 seem to have hotspots in nearly every pub chain and high street store but 20k/sec down and less up means I'd be better streaming on a potato.

4G is here, 3's 3G has been fast for a long time, so why they don't allow it over data like even the iPlayer does makes no sense. It's probably cost saving so they don't have to support more bitrates, but it makes the app useless.
I agree it ****es me off that with virgin media we live in a age where we can get different data levels and not use them. Now we can download recordings to a tablet on new v6 but there are content restrictions on what we can send to our tablet WOW

passingbat 30-10-2016 10:01
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35866519)
I agree it ****es me off that with virgin media we live in a age where we can get different data levels and not use them. Now we can download recordings to a tablet on new v6 but there are content restrictions on what we can send to our tablet WOW

That restriction will most likely have come from the content providers, not VM.

Ddonald2016 30-10-2016 12:07
Re: Virgin Media V6 - Powered by TiVo(new STB)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35866549)
That restriction will most likely have come from the content providers, not VM.
It's amazing how non of those channels have issues on sky just virgin media

passingbat 30-10-2016 12:36
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It's amazing how non of those channels have issues on sky just virgin media

Do you know which channels Sky can do and the V6 won't be able to do?


MRS had a problem with that, but by all accounts, that has now been sorted apart from a vey few channels.


I can imagine that streaming to tablets could worry content providers more than MRS (which shouldn't have concerned them at all)

Ddonald2016 30-10-2016 13:06
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Do you know which channels Sky can do and the V6 won't be able to do?


MRS had a problem with that, but by all accounts, that has now been sorted apart from a vey few channels.


I can imagine that streaming to tablets could worry content providers more than MRS (which shouldn't have concerned them at all)
Well for defo no sky premium channels will be allowed to download to any tablets. MRS to years to sort but this is now to allow us to take recordings on the go

passingbat 30-10-2016 14:02
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Well for defo no sky premium channels will be allowed to download to any tablets.
So VM's main rival is denying access to some of their content via tablets. Shocker! ;)

GrimUpNorth 30-10-2016 14:05
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It's amazing how non of those channels have issues on sky just virgin media
Well you can't stream H2 on Sky but can on VM to name but 1 (and it's only in SD on Sky).

Cheers

Grim

muppetman11 30-10-2016 14:33
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Well you can't stream H2 on Sky but can on VM to name but 1 (and it's only in SD on Sky).

Cheers

Grim
You can't stream H2 on Sky Go when out and about yet but it can be Streamed around the home within the Sky Q app.

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Basically Sky Q allows streaming of your TV channels around the home and watching of recordings in the home , there is however many channels still not available via Sky Go out of home and not all channels allow downloading of recordings.

Over time I'd expect both of these on Sky and VM to become fewer and fewer.


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