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Hugh 05-11-2016 17:07

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35867822)
What has Fox News got to do with the price of fish ? Far as I am concerned that crooked devil is still under FBI Investigation (Again).

Because you said she would possibly be indicted, which was first said on Fox News (then retracted).

Mick 05-11-2016 17:14

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35867821)

Speaking of which, is completely irrelevant, to my point about The current President, spending time, in office and tax payers money, campaigning for Crooked Hillary.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35867823)
Because you said she would possibly be indicted, which was first said on Fox News (then retracted).

LOL - hence the term 'Possibly' and I haven't mentioned anywhere about Fox News, don't watch it, haven't watched it. The point is still irrelevant either way because she is still <-- important key word here, under FBI Investigation.

martyh 05-11-2016 17:27

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35867825)
Speaking of which, is completely irrelevant, to my point about The current President, spending time and tax payers money, campaigning for Crooked Hillary.

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LOL - hence the term 'Possibly' and I haven't mentioned anywhere about Fox News, don't watch it, haven't watched it. The point is still irrelevant either way because she is still <-- important key word here, under FBI Investigation.

Jeez talk about double standards :rolleyes: you get on your high horse when the current president uses tax payer money but when Trump does the same it's "irrelevant"

Mick 05-11-2016 17:37

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35867829)
Jeez talk about double standards :rolleyes: you get on your high horse when the current president uses tax payer money but when Trump does the same it's "irrelevant"

Jeez nothing - It is not double standards at all. If DJT is given a budget to travel, and to carry the Secret Service that protects him then, what is the issue? None at all.

The issue here is. The current serving President is spending time, a lot of time, I might add by the way and money, while in Office, campaigning for a candidate under FBI Investigation. Am I the only one who finds that troubling ? Or again are those rose tinted specs for Hillary, blindling folk again, seems to be the case. :rolleyes:

Mr K 05-11-2016 18:01

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Chill out Michael, mind the blood pressure! Seems you are looking for all the positives from one side and the negatives from the other.
President Trump will for a while be very amusing, but after a few months be a disaster for the world. Clinton has no more dirt on her than most other US presidents, maybe Obama excepted. Seems to go with the job. Some inconsequential emails not secure? We've probably all done something unintentionally wrong at work. Hardly the multitude of sexual allegations at Trumps door, and his tax avoidance.

martyh 05-11-2016 18:07

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35867831)
Jeez nothing - It is not double standards at all. If DJT is given a budget to travel, and to carry the Secret Service that protects him then, what is the issue? None at all.

The issue here is. The current serving President is spending time, a lot of time, I might add by the way and money, while in Office, campaigning for a candidate under FBI Investigation. Am I the only one who finds that troubling ? Or again are those rose tinted specs for Hillary, blindling folk again, seems to be the case. :rolleyes:

Obamas political party pay a large part of the bill for air force one during campaigning ,in the case of the Charlotte trip Clintons campaign will pay the full reimbursement fee ,Trump on the other hand continues to spend tax payer money needlessly because he insists on using his own personal jets instead of more practical planes .What this means for those that aren't Trump fanboys is that because Trumps plane seats so few the bulk of the passengers are secret service agents which means the secret pay for most of travel costs hence the tax payer is gifting Trump free travel ,incidentally the companies that run the planes that the secret service are paying for are owned by guess who .
Don't forget as well that Clinton is the wife of a former president so qualifies for secret service protection

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Am I the only one who finds that troubling
I find it very troubling that Trump is so cavalier with tax payer money ,thank you for raising the issue ,it should be noted that Trump has had secret service protection for half as long as Clinton but spent nearly the same amount of tax payer money

RizzyKing 05-11-2016 18:14

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Over 30,000 emails deleted after an investigation is underway is not what I'd call inconsequential in fairness and there does appear to have been wrongdoing on Clinton's part that she got out of easily because the FBI made a total balls up of the investigation. For me personally the emails are another example of Clinton's judgement and other events contribute to the serious doubts over her ability to use sound judgement and her response to bad judgement doesn't inspire confidence at all.

Now don't put me down as a trump supporter i cannot stand him personally or what he stands for and his judgement skills are not brilliant either nor his business acumen that he shouts about a fair bit. What americans have for choice in this election is pathetic and completely devisive on their society, whoever wins is going to be spending an awful lot of time just trying to unite america again and neither of these candidates convince me they can.

martyh 05-11-2016 18:22

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35867842)
Over 30,000 emails deleted after an investigation is underway is not what I'd call inconsequential in fairness and there does appear to have been wrongdoing on Clinton's part that she got out of easily because the FBI made a total balls up of the investigation. For me personally the emails are another example of Clinton's judgement and other events contribute to the serious doubts over her ability to use sound judgement and her response to bad judgement doesn't inspire confidence at all.

Now don't put me down as a trump supporter i cannot stand him personally or what he stands for and his judgement skills are not brilliant either nor his business acumen that he shouts about a fair bit. What americans have for choice in this election is pathetic and completely devisive on their society, whoever wins is going to be spending an awful lot of time just trying to unite america again and neither of these candidates convince me they can.

Isn't the fault of the American public though? as with our political leaders in this country if people were more engaged with politics then they would get a better quality of candidate

Mr K 05-11-2016 18:23

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FBI investigated and found there was nothing worth pursuing. The latest reinvestigation seems to be a political stunt. Incompetence at worst, not the criminal allegations against Trump. They are 2 rotten candidates for sure.

I wish Sanders had run. On the face of it there's no chance a left wing politician could win in the US. However against Trump he might well have done by a larger margin than Clinton.

adzii_nufc 05-11-2016 18:45

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35867848)
FBI investigated and found there was nothing worth pursuing. The latest reinvestigation seems to be a political stunt. Incompetence at worst, not the criminal allegations against Trump. They are 2 rotten candidates for sure.

I wish Sanders had run. On the face of it there's no chance of a left wing politician could win in the US. However against Trump he might well have done by a larger margin than Clinton.

Yeah, via 5 immunity deals they got nothing in return for only to have one of those 5 get caught out by internet bandits, making the FBI look like Scooby Doo and gang. So in reality, there was really no investigation, Clinton was clear before the investigation had even started. IMO re-opening this isn't a political stunt, it's massive pressure on the idiot that botched it in the first place, James Comey. He's between a rock and a hard place, he is stuck in a no win scenario. He looks like an idiot for the failings the first time round and now he looks like an idiot for re-opening it.

I feel, if anyone gets indicted, caught or whatever, it'll be John Podesta and not Clinton. Clinton will take damage for it but I feel like it's all on Podesta.

It's easier to just watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amMsn3dfVU4

US Congressman Jim Jordan
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This is just one more thing to add to the list of things that are highly unusual about this case
Still I get the feeling if anyone is up to dodgy things and is caught out it'll be Podesta.

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Julian Assange is alive :erm:

https://www.rt.com/news/365405-assan...ll-transcript/

All this mention of Pizza has lead to some very dark suggestions around the web, I'm backing well away from it, no major sources dare touch it but there's plenty of crap ones running with it.

Damien 05-11-2016 18:51

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35867852)
I feel, if anyone gets indicted, caught or whatever, it'll be John Podesta and not Clinton. Clinton will take damage for it but I feel like it's all on Podesta.

Why Podesta? His e-mails aren't been investigated. Just leaked. Plus he wasn't with her at the state department so where would the criminal culpability come from?

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Julian Assange is alive :erm:

https://www.rt.com/news/365405-assan...ll-transcript/
Assange probably worried his brief spell back in the limelight is over. Not really going to take his denials of working with the Russians on RT as that credible.

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35867852)
All this mention of Pizza has lead to some very dark suggestions around the web, I'm backing well away from it, no major sources dare touch it but there's plenty of crap ones running with it.

That stuff is just loopy. It's full tin-foil hat crackpot stuff. The only sources touching it are the same ones who think the Royal Family are lizards. Infowars and Breitbait might though.

Mick 05-11-2016 18:57

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35867837)
Chill out Michael, mind the blood pressure! Seems you are looking for all the positives from one side and the negatives from the other.
President Trump will for a while be very amusing, but after a few months be a disaster for the world. Clinton has no more dirt on her than most other US presidents, maybe Obama excepted. Seems to go with the job. Some inconsequential emails not secure? We've probably all done something unintentionally wrong at work. Hardly the multitude of sexual allegations at Trumps door, and his tax avoidance.

Not just her emails the issue here, Wikileaks and Julian Assange say some of her hacked emails reveal that the same money, funding ISIS, has passed through the Clinton Foundation.

As for the Sexual Allegations aimed at Trump, that is all they are, and I found it highly suspicious that one after the other, all eleven of them cropped up within the space of a week or so, saying that he either kissed them or groped them. Those have been largely debunked and as Trump states, they were more than likely, made up by the DNC sleazy campaign, who have been caught out by the way, according to Project Veritas, trying to incite violence at previous Trump rallies, like the one in Chicago.

The Tax avoidance, he addressed in the debates and he has routinely openly admitted at his rallies, that he used the same loop holes, legally, that Hillary's donors used and she had 30 years to change those rules but she didn't because it would also affect her donors.

I wonder how many of those Celebrities coming out to endorse crooked Hillary, are using Tax havens to avoid paying full Tax ?

So crooked Hillary is a little bit hypocritical when it comes to Tax avoidance.

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-cap...ump-exploiting

Damien 05-11-2016 19:00

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35867864)
Not just her emails the issue here, Wikileaks and Julian Assange say some of her hacked emails reveal that the same money, funding ISIS, has passed through the Clinton Foundation.

He is going to have to have some pretty solid evidence to claim the Clinton Foundation are funding ISIS. Although it seems allegations against Clinton require a far lower bar to be considered true than those against Trump.

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As for the Sexual Allegations aimed at Trump, that is all they are, and I found it highly suspicious that one after the other, all eleven of them cropped up within the space of a week or so, saying that he either kissed them or groped them. Those have been largely debunked and as Trump states, they were more than likely, made up by the DNC sleazy campaign, who have been caught out by the way, according to Project Veritas, trying to incite violence at previous Trump rallies, like the one in Chicago.
Where have they been debunked?

adzii_nufc 05-11-2016 19:09

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When do we get the results show like we do for our own? Any idea's on the start time and how long it usually runs? Yearly physical intervention refresher from this Monday till Friday :td: and a follow up exam of course to make sure I still know what colour fire extinguisher's are.

Damien 05-11-2016 19:14

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35867867)
When do we get the results show like we do for our own? Any idea's on the start time and how long it usually runs? Yearly physical intervention refresher from this Monday till Friday :td:

Around 10pm/11pm shows will start. Results start to come in around 1am as I can best recall. It depends on how the election is going. In a blowout 4am could see the American networks project the winner but if it's closer it can take several more hours.

We should know ourselves early though.

For example if Clinton wins either both or one of Florida/NC and holds Pennsylvania? Then she has won. If Trump takes Pennsylvania then he might well be on to win (as long as he takes Florida and NC). If he takes Florida and NC but not Pennsylvania then we have to wait for the states further West.

adzii_nufc 05-11-2016 19:23

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35867868)
Around 10pm/11pm shows will start. Results start to come in around 1am as I can best recall. It depends on how the election is going. In a blowout 4am could see the American networks project the winner but if it's closer it can take several more hours.

We should know ourselves early though.

For example if Clinton wins either both or one of Florida/NC and holds Pennsylvania? Then she has won. If Trump takes Pennsylvania then he might well be on to win (as long as he takes Florida and NC). If he takes Florida and NC but not Pennsylvania then we have to wait for the states further West.

I could see this being the most watched in history, just to see if the mad hair-do can pull it off. :erm:

Mick 05-11-2016 19:45

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35867865)
He is going to have to have some pretty solid evidence to claim the Clinton Foundation are funding ISIS. Although it seems allegations against Clinton require a far lower bar to be considered true than those against Trump.

Well, may be because Trump hasn't been under two FBI Investigations Damien, thought that should be obvious. As for the evidence, Assange is basing his findings from Clintons hacked emails.

Look, I have said many times, Trump is no Angel, but he is the better option out of the two available.

I even said I supported Hillary until I learned how crooked and corrupt she was and I don't let biased media cloud my judgement on Trump like some do, because let's face it, the biased media aren't exactly covering all the negative press on her, they're more than happy to cover anything for Trump, he only has to fart in the wrong direction and they'd cover it.

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Originally Posted by Damien
Where have they been debunked?

Trump said they had in his last debate with HC. But no doubt the biased media would claim they haven't.

Well they haven't exactly been proven true have they? I could ask when were they proven ? Anyone can make an allegation, doesn't mean they are always true and given the nature of how all these suddenly came forward, it's just a little too suspicious.

Damien 05-11-2016 20:01

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35867880)
Well, may be because Trump hasn't been under two FBI Investigations Damien, thought that should be obvious. As for the evidence, Assange is basing his findings from Clintons hacked emails.

The FBI isn't investigating Clinton for funding ISIS and Assange isn't a detective.

Anyway I know what the basis of his claim is. It isn't that money went though the foundation but that she takes donations from the same people who allegedly fund ISIS. Saudi Arabia. Now I don't actually know the extent to which the Saudis fund ISIS, this stuff always seem layered between conspiracy and truth.

However whilst Clinton receiving donations from the Saudis is a valid criticism it's also one that applies to one Donald J Trump: http://www.redstate.com/kylefoley/20...-saudi-arabia/

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Trump said they had in his last debate with HC. But no doubt the biased media would claim they haven't.
So the source for them being debunked in Donald Trump himself? I think the biased media might want more proof than that.

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Well they haven't exactly been proven true have they? I could ask when were they proven ? Anyone can make an allegation, doesn't mean they are always true and given the nature of how all these suddenly came forward, it's just a little too suspicious.
You said they had been debunked. I accept they haven't been proven. I do know he has been caught saying he likes to grab women and they can't do anything about it though. I also know he said he would produce evidence of it being fake and didn't. I know he said he would sue the New York Times for the story before backing down.

None of which amounts to proof, a respect for the concept of innocent until proven guilty that should extent to Clinton as well, but certainly makes me question this claim of those allegations being debunked.

Mick 05-11-2016 20:20

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Well the evidence in the emails speaks for itself Damien, regarding HC.

Jimmy-J 06-11-2016 02:36

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Trump rushed off the stage / Possible firearm involved ?

https://mobile.twitter.com/CBSNews/s...238912/video/1

Mick 06-11-2016 03:10

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Saying on BBC that a guy trying to grab a cops gun or something at the rally, as his supporters are security screened before entry.

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About 25 seconds in you can hear the crowd distinctly say he, the protester, has a gun.


Jimmy-J 06-11-2016 04:39

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Photo of the protester

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2016/11/28.jpg

Mick 06-11-2016 07:11

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What was the Army doing there ?

I know there has been some intelligence to suggest their could be a Terrorist attack around Election day, but did not think they would do this at rallies, unless the threat is substantial.

Any way, that cop in that pic, the one in the middle to the left of the protester, looks like Jason Bourne (Matt Damon). What you think ?

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Oh dear, how embarrassing for Crooked Hillary. College Student calls out Hillary at her own, 'small' rally attended by Bernie Sanders and gets applauded and then removed by security.


Jimmy-J 06-11-2016 07:44

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Any way, that cop in that pic, the one in the middle to the left of the protester, looks like Jason Bourne (Matt Damon). What you think ?
lol yeah, kind of :D

Damien 06-11-2016 08:15

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No gun. He was about to lift a sign. Someone shouted 'gun' and all hell broke loose. The protester has been released.

martyh 06-11-2016 09:12

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35867919)
What was the Army doing there ?

That's not the army ,the Police badge on the arm says so ;)

Hugh 06-11-2016 09:47

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35867922)
No gun. He was about to lift a sign. Someone shouted 'gun' and all hell broke loose. The protester has been released.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...ally/93385996/
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RENO, Nev. — The man who caused a commotion at a Donald Trump rally Saturday said he's a registered Republican who wanted only to show his displeasure with his party's nominee.

Members of the audience at the event for the GOP presidential nominee tackled Austyn Crites, 33, of Reno after someone yelled "gun" while others were trying to rip away his anti-Trump sign.

"I just went with sign that said 'Republicans Against Trump,’ " Crites said. "It’s a sign that you can find online. I held up the sign and initially people around me were just booing me telling me to get out of there. Then a couple of these guys tried grabbing the sign out of my hands."

Crites had no weapon. Secret Service agents later released a statement to that effect and let him go without charges.

Damien 06-11-2016 09:56

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They couldn't identify who shouted gun

Jimmy-J 06-11-2016 10:14

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Austyn Crites

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2016/11/27.jpg

http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/austyn...t-allegations/

Hugh 06-11-2016 10:16

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35867937)
They couldn't identify who shouted gun

Probably Hillary... ;)

Mr K 06-11-2016 10:23

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At that rally he was probably the only one who didn't have a gun ! Land of the free my backside, the guy got assaulted just for holding a placard. Sign of things to come if Trump wins.

blackthorn 06-11-2016 10:48

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I cant seem to get my head around how the voting system works over there compared to ours.
Do people have to register an affiliation to a party when they register to vote?

martyh 06-11-2016 10:49

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35867940)
At that rally he was probably the only one who didn't have a gun ! Land of the free my backside, the guy got assaulted just for holding a placard. Sign of things to come if Trump wins.

seems clear how little descent is tolerated at Trumps rallies

Mick 06-11-2016 11:58

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35867940)
At that rally he was probably the only one who didn't have a gun ! Land of the free my backside, the guy got assaulted just for holding a placard. Sign of things to come if Trump wins.

They go through screening, I already said that ! :dunce:

But I wouldn't expect anything less from you and your narrow-minded view just to distort the facts, after all, you're no better when you call people thick/stupid, who vote opposite to you! :dozey:

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35867951)
seems clear how little descent is tolerated at Trumps rallies

Only the same at Hillary rallies. People try grabbing signs from Protesters etc.

Hugh 06-11-2016 12:01

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35867961)
They go through screening, I already said that ! :dunce:

But I wouldn't expect anything less from you and your narrow-minded view just to distort the facts, after all, you're no better when you call people thick/stupid, who vote opposite to you! :dozey:

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Only the same at Hillary rallies. People try grabbing signs from Protesters etc.

One slight, but important, difference - she doesn't offer to pay legal fees if they beat up protestors, or say things at rallies like '“I’d like to punch him in the face, I’ll tell you.”'

Damien 06-11-2016 12:04

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Originally Posted by blackthorn (Post 35867949)
I cant seem to get my head around how the voting system works over there compared to ours.
Do people have to register an affiliation to a party when they register to vote?

No they don't. But they do need it in many states to vote in the primaries. So if you want to vote for the Democratic nominee then you have to register as a Democrat. Some states allow people to vote in either to Democratic or Republican contest at the time of voting though, so you don't need to declare an affiliation.

Don't forget America is highly politically. The Presidential race is the tip of a very big iceberg. They vote for all sorts of things down to local district representation.

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Deadspin have intercut the video of Obama dealing with the protestor at the rally the other day with Trump's version of what happened: http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/did...did-1788612955 :disturbd:

martyh 06-11-2016 12:11

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35867961)

Only the same at Hillary rallies. People try grabbing signs from Protesters etc.

It's a horrible hate filled campaign that does America a great disservice Trump is running for all the wrong reasons and Hillary is a career politician who admittedly knows how to play the political game but America needs and wants something different than the usual political games

Hom3r 06-11-2016 13:06

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35867919)
What was the Army doing there ?

I know there has been some intelligence to suggest their could be a Terrorist attack around Election day, but did not think they would do this at rallies, unless the threat is substantial.

Any way, that cop in that pic, the one in the middle to the left of the protester, looks like Jason Bourne (Matt Damon). What you think ?

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Oh dear, how embarrassing for Crooked Hillary. College Student calls out Hillary at her own, 'small' rally attended by Bernie Sanders and gets applauded and then removed by security.



There heavily armed cops.

IMHO it all show.


Plus Trump lied again, "Nothings going to stop us" as he came back after stopping over a man holding a sign :D


I'm despairing over Trump, Joey Essex would do a better job

Mr K 06-11-2016 13:29

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35867961)
They go through screening, I already said that ! :dunce:

But I wouldn't expect anything less from you and your narrow-minded view just to distort the facts, after all, you're no better when you call people thick/stupid, who vote opposite to you! :dozey:[COLOR="Silver"]
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Nice to see a good nights sleep has mellowed you Michael ! Trying to defend Trump and his red neck supporters must be causing sleepless nights ;)

None of us will get much sleep if he's elected. Looking at him last might, maybe even he is having second thoughts.

Hom3r 06-11-2016 14:53

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I'm despairing over Trump, Joey Essex would do a better job

Mick 06-11-2016 16:03

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35867983)
Nice to see a good nights sleep has mellowed you Michael ! Trying to defend Trump and his red neck supporters must be causing sleepless nights ;)

None of us will get much sleep if he's elected. Looking at him last might, maybe even he is having second thoughts.

I work nights, so my sleeping patterns are non-existent, none of your concern or business really and it's Mick btw.

He is not having seconds thoughts, shows how much you know and you have the audacity, to suggest other people are thick or stupid ?

You won't get much sleep with crooked Hillary, with her posturing with Russia and bad judgement regarding her polices on Syria and Libya, the World really would be in trouble with her as President, that's if she don't get indicted and impeached first.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35867963)
One slight, but important, difference - she doesn't offer to pay legal fees if they beat up protestors, or say things at rallies like '“I’d like to punch him in the face, I’ll tell you.”'

Bit like Vice President, Joe Biden, saying he'd like to take Donald behind the gym...

Also... Just a little reminder about the DNC being caught on tape inciting violence at Trump rallies. Neither candidate can take the moral high ground here and neither can you.

Damien 06-11-2016 19:03

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Hispanic voters look set to break records: https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...bb4_story.html

Someone on Politico also said that Trump has stopped internal polling which would be weird. If he loses the books about the campaign will be amazing. Especially if it's true that he won't accept negative polling.

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Why the election is close: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/07/up...in-common.html

Mr K 06-11-2016 20:14

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35868014)
I work nights, so my sleeping patterns are non-existent, none of your concern or business really and it's Mick btw.

He is not having seconds thoughts, shows how much you know and you have the audacity, to suggest other people are thick or stupid ?

Ah nights, that explains a lot.

Trump certainly seemed to have second thoughts after someone shouted 'gun' last night. He had to off the stage to change his trousers (as would we all !) Maybe he'll now consider the repercussions of stirring up so much hatred from all quarters.

As for thick/stupid - don't recall being that blunt, but it's difficult to understand how anyone with any sense right or left, could vote for him. It seems a lot of the more informed/credible Republicans can't. Damiens link does suggest his support is coming from the less educated vote.

adzii_nufc 06-11-2016 20:37

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One gunman's actions don't speak for many.

Obama has had at least four legitimate attempts on his life that we know about.
From Racists, to Jesus Christ himself. Whether people actually like it or not, he's running a campaign and utilizing freedom of speech, if people take offence to that then they have that right. They don't have the right to produce a firearm and attempt to shoot him though regardless of what he's said. He shouldn't re-consider anything, it's his right as well as the rest of the countries. You get to do the shooting with a ballot paper not a firearm. Luckily there's no actual weapon but still.

martyh 06-11-2016 20:42

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35868094)
One gunman's actions don't speak for many.

Obama has had at least four legitimate attempts on his life that we know about.
From Racists, to Jesus Christ himself. Whether people actually like it or not, he's running a campaign and utilizing freedom of speech, if people take offence to that then they have that right. They don't have the right to produce a firearm and attempt to shoot him though regardless of what he's said. He shouldn't re-consider anything, it's his right as well as the rest of the countries. You get to do the shooting with a ballot paper not a firearm.

Quite right too ,

I did mention a while back that assassination or attempted assassination seems to be the prefered method for Americans to register their disapproval of their president :)

Damien 06-11-2016 20:45

Re: US Election 2016
 
There wasn't a gunman. It was a conventional protest and someone else shouted, either mistakenly or with malice intent, that he had a gun and then confusion reigned until the protester was released and it was confirmed there was no gun.

Trump should consider his language because he dehumanises people, angers his base and borders on inciting violence but he shouldn't consider it because of any threat against him. In the latter case the fault lies with the person threatening violence.

adzii_nufc 06-11-2016 20:49

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35868099)
There wasn't a gunman. It was a conventional protest and someone else shouted, either mistakenly or with malice intent, that he had a gun and then confusion reigned until the protester was released and it was confirmed there was no gun.

Trump should consider his language because he dehumanises people, angers his base and borders on inciting violence but he shouldn't consider it because of any threat against him. In the latter case the fault lies with the person threatening violence.

This, some of the things he says are absurd and many times borderline ridiculous. But we all come to accept that as his freedom and right. It's then 'our' (Not in this case obviously) right to vote for or against that. I dislike Clinton and I'm not very fond of Trump but shooting either of them is despicable and literally perverting the course of democracy. You don't just take a life, you take the rights of millions of people a chance of a fair vote.

martyh 06-11-2016 20:50

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35868099)
There wasn't a gunman. It was a conventional protest and someone else shouted, either mistakenly or with malice intent, that he had a gun and then confusion reigned until the protester was released and it was confirmed there was no gun.

Trump should consider his language because he dehumanises people, angers his base and borders on inciting violence but he shouldn't consider it because of any threat against him. In the latter case the fault lies with the person threatening violence.

We know ,it's just with Trump being Trump he better get used to threats of violence against him because going on past history that's how Americans deal with unpopular presidents

Mick 06-11-2016 20:50

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35868090)
Ah nights, that explains a lot.

Trump certainly seemed to have second thoughts after someone shouted 'gun' last night. He had to off the stage to change his trousers (as would we all !) Maybe he'll now consider the repercussions of stirring up so much hatred from all quarters.

As for thick/stupid - don't recall being that blunt, but it's difficult to understand how anyone with any sense right or left, could vote for him. It seems a lot of the more informed/credible Republicans can't. Damiens link does suggest his support is coming from the less educated vote.

Or maybe it's your lack of total understanding why people are voting for Trump. Hence the movement against the establishment, people aren't necessarily voting Trump because they like him, I can relate to the fact that many many people don't want another four years of failed Obama policies, you know, Obamacare, the absolute stupidity with their approach to Libya and Syria which thanks to them has given us the biggest Migration crisis in history, sorry I don't want more failed policies, which is what they/we would get with crooked Hillary.

But the news just keeps getting worse for Crooked Hillary with reports today that she directed her maid to print out Classified emails, you know someone who does NOT have clearance to handle them.

http://nypost.com/2016/11/06/clinton...ied-materials/

And if that was bad...

Wikileaks reveals today that...the Clinton Foundation paid for Crooked Hillary's daughters wedding (Chelsea) and life for a decade....

Quote:

Former Clinton Foundation executive Doug Band accused Chelsea Clinton of using the private charity’s resources for her “wedding and life for a decade,” according to a new email published by WikiLeaks in its Podesta emails series.
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/w...-cash-wedding/

And people want an idiot, like her in the seat of one of the most powerful leaders of the World. Right, okay then. :erm:

Damien 06-11-2016 20:56

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35868101)
We know ,it's just with Trump being Trump he better get used to threats of violence against him because going on past history that's how Americans deal with unpopular presidents

American's increasing polarisation is a concern although I think all Presidents have some nutters after them as you say.

adzii_nufc 06-11-2016 20:58

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35868104)
American's increasing polarisation is a concern although I think all Presidents have some nutters after them as you say.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...day-Jesus.html

Mick 06-11-2016 21:01

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35868101)
We know ,it's just with Trump being Trump he better get used to threats of violence against him because going on past history that's how Americans deal with unpopular presidents

I thought it was the Crazy, lone wolf theory which did that ?

As already stated, to you or someone else, who said this, JFK was not an unpopular President at the time of his assassination. 70% Approval rating.

But I seriously hope people are not justifying death or murder of a leader just because they despise them so much, I despise the Clintons for what they have done to the American people (and in most part the World) but I would absolutely condemn any form of malicious violent act towards them. We should move away from this line of discussion IMO.

martyh 06-11-2016 21:09

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35868106)
I thought it was the Crazy, lone wolf theory which did that ?

As already stated, to you or someone else, who said this, JFK was not an unpopular President at the time of his assassination. 70% Approval rating.

But I seriously hope people are not justifying death or murder of a leader just because they despise them so much, I despise the Clintons for what they have done to the American people (and in most part the World) but I would absolutely condemn any form of malicious violent act towards them. We should move away from this line of discussion IMO.

Nobodies justifying anything ,merely commenting on American history and JFK was deeply unpopular to someone cos they shot him .Clinton and Trump are unpopular ,the most unpopular candidates in history apparently so it's very likely that threats will be made to both

Damien 06-11-2016 21:18

Re: US Election 2016
 
Looks like the FBI are going to reveal something about the e-mails today...two days before the election

---------- Post added at 20:18 ---------- Previous post was at 20:17 ----------

The FBI director has informed congress that there was nothing in the e-mails that change their decision back in July. No more FBI investigation.

Hom3r 06-11-2016 21:23

Re: US Election 2016
 
From what I've understood is, what the FBI have done is highly unusual and some say illegal, this close to votong day.

Damien 06-11-2016 21:25

Re: US Election 2016
 
I think the FBI would have wanted to find something given the significance of the announcement last Friday. Idiotic.

---------- Post added at 20:25 ---------- Previous post was at 20:24 ----------

Here is the story: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/06/po...d-conclusions/

adzii_nufc 06-11-2016 21:31

Re: US Election 2016
 
So the only charge they could have ever brought against Clinton disappeared with 'Ipleadthefifth' Combetta then, which wouldn't have been about anything in the emails but rather the instruction to tamper or destroy evidence under investigation. Comey botched that then found nothing here. I don't think he's between a rock and a hard place anymore, he's buried. Given that they found nothing in the E-mails they did have the first time round and the Combetta thing being unrelated to the actual contents then it seems daft now to have chased this one.

Barring something not boring from Wikileaks, we'll get a fair voting night without the BS.

Osem 06-11-2016 21:35

Re: US Election 2016
 
... and yet people still think our electoral system is rubbish. :D

Damien 06-11-2016 21:35

Re: US Election 2016
 
Corney just loves the attention maybe. Seems to have timed this for maximum attention.

adzii_nufc 06-11-2016 21:36

Re: US Election 2016
 
Maybe his future employers are watching. :dunce:

Damien 06-11-2016 21:38

Re: US Election 2016
 
This is probably too late. It might help Clinton a bit but it's far too late. Early voting already accounts for 1/3rd of the electorate and we'll never know if there has any bounce at all from the investigation ending.

adzii_nufc 06-11-2016 21:40

Re: US Election 2016
 
I've been watching /r/Conspiracy, following their incredibly hilariously disturbing election posts, they're crying fix and claim they've all been robbed. Lizard people have won :D

If anyone's wondering, that's where that pretty messed up and absurd Pizza party stuff led me.

Damien 06-11-2016 21:41

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35868126)
I've been watching /r/Conspiracy, following their incredibly hilariously disturbing election posts, they're crying fix and claim they've all been robbed. Lizard people have won :D

Mmm I haven't checked /r/The_Donald in a while.

adzii_nufc 06-11-2016 21:43

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35868127)
Mmm I haven't checked /r/The_Donald in a while.

I just did

Quote:

HILLARY CLINTON IS CURRENTLY UNDER MULTIPLE INVESTIGATIONS BY THE FBI AND THEY BELIEVE THEY HAVE AN AVALANCHE OF EVIDENCE THAT WILL LEAD TO INDICTMENT. DO NOT FORGET THIS R/ALL. (self.The_Donald)

submitted 4 hours ago
That timestamp :D, This guy isn't going to be popular.

/r/Conspiracy is way too extreme, a load of people putting together nonsense then screaming fix when it gets undone.

Arthurgray50@blu 06-11-2016 21:44

Re: US Election 2016
 
http://news.sky.com/story/fbi-no-evi...mails-10648486

Just seen on Sky News. See, it was probably a fit up up by the Republican Chief. To try and reck the election

Damien 06-11-2016 21:45

Re: US Election 2016
 
This might help anybody who was wavering between voting and Clinton or not? So hard the judge the impact, no more polls to measure this now.

Mick 06-11-2016 21:47

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35868120)
So the only charge they could have ever brought against Clinton disappeared with 'Ipleadthefifth' Combetta then, which wouldn't have been about anything in the emails but rather the instruction to tamper or destroy evidence under investigation. Comey botched that then found nothing here. I don't think he's between a rock and a hard place anymore, he's buried. Given that they found nothing in the E-mails they did have the first time round and the Combetta thing being unrelated to the actual contents then it seems daft now to have chased this one.

Barring something not boring from Wikileaks, we'll get a fair voting night without the BS.

Damage is done i'm afraid and those emails from Wikileaks contradict the FBI stance. Comey has been leant on from above, it's so obvious.

Damien 06-11-2016 21:50

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35868132)
Damage is done i'm afraid and those emails from Wikileaks contradict the FBI stance. Comey has been leant on from above, it's so obvious.

No they don't :confused:

Wikileaks = The campaign manager's e-mails.
FBI investigation = Her state department e-mails.

Mr K 06-11-2016 21:55

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35868117)
I think the FBI would have wanted to find something given the significance of the announcement last Friday. Idiotic.

---------- Post added at 20:25 ---------- Previous post was at 20:24 ----------

Here is the story: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/06/po...d-conclusions/

Congrats Damien you seem to have broken this before any other news outlet in the UK. I'll be tuning into CF on election night , as they bring the breaking news first !

Damien 06-11-2016 22:03

Re: US Election 2016
 
There was to be at least some chance he writes another letter tomorrow?

Mr Banana 06-11-2016 22:06

Re: US Election 2016
 
What did Trump say again - this is bigger than watergate?

Mr K 06-11-2016 22:12

Re: US Election 2016
 
40 million have already have voted, who investigates the FBI ?

Damien 06-11-2016 22:15

Re: US Election 2016
 
This might end up being quite bad. So many people have voted. The ramifications for the FBI won't end here.

Mick 06-11-2016 22:17

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35868139)
What did Trump say again - this is bigger than watergate?

I call it ObviousCoverUpGate.

Mr K 06-11-2016 22:25

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35868144)
I call it ObviousCoverUpGate.

And the moon landings Mick, were they real ??

Mr Banana 06-11-2016 22:34

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35868144)
I call it ObviousCoverUpGate.

Is that what Trump is telling the brainwashed to say?

---------- Post added at 21:34 ---------- Previous post was at 21:28 ----------

Wonder if Trump has some sort of problem which makes him see things differently to everyone else?

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/05/po...ama-protester/

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-lyin...45b#.il0tdxfw4

Osem 06-11-2016 22:49

Re: US Election 2016
 
I wonder what the US electorate would have made of JFK's* antics had wikileaks been around at the time. Mind you he was charming and looked good in a sharp suit...

* and a fair few other presidents

Mick 06-11-2016 23:07

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35868147)
Is that what Trump is telling the brainwashed to say?

Brainwashed LOL that's so funny.

---------- Post added at 22:07 ---------- Previous post was at 22:06 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35868146)
And the moon landings Mick, were they real ??

:notopic:

Damien 06-11-2016 23:09

Re: US Election 2016
 
Apparently these e-mails were duplicates of the ones they've already investigated (i.e they had them from Clinton's server).

Ramrod 06-11-2016 23:24

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35868090)
Maybe he'll now consider the repercussions of stirring up so much hatred from all quarters.

So it's his fault that someone tried to shoot him?

Damien 06-11-2016 23:28

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35868158)
So it's his fault that someone tried to shoot him?

No one tried to shoot him. The guy was a protestor. Someone else shouted out 'gun' and then the confusion happened.

Maggy 07-11-2016 00:30

Re: US Election 2016
 
I can't help wondering about how the next election in 4 years can top this one...

Mick 07-11-2016 01:00

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35868155)
Apparently these e-mails were duplicates of the ones they've already investigated (i.e they had them from Clinton's server).

Still, when did this news story break? 3 hours ago. Interesting how the top trending stuff on Facebook at the moment has Barack Obama, Clinton Foundation and Julian Assange, all at 1 Million people discussing this. Oh the Irony. :rofl:

adzii_nufc 07-11-2016 02:15

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35868152)
I wonder what the US electorate would have made of JFK's* antics had wikileaks been around at the time. Mind you he was charming and looked good in a sharp suit...

* and a fair few other presidents

Still he should be remembered as the man that denied the CIA of their utterly horrendous idea of killing their own citizens to start a war. If that was public knowledge at the time he'd have been untouchable and the CIA would've been burnt to the ground. Its now a theory that he paid with his life for that decision. My thoughts are I don't believe LHO killed him or LHO did pull the trigger but never acted alone, I'm completely uncertain on what actually happened and what to believe. Its probably the only conspiracy out there with theories that could later be true.

Jimmy-J 07-11-2016 03:16

Re: US Election 2016
 
Another batch of emails released from Wikileaks.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails...6#searchresult

Damien 07-11-2016 06:55

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35868168)
Still, when did this news story break? 3 hours ago. Interesting how the top trending stuff on Facebook at the moment has Barack Obama, Clinton Foundation and Julian Assange, all at 1 Million people discussing this. Oh the Irony. :rofl:

Facebook trends are personalised. What people will see is somewhat dependent on their friends list, pages they liked etc.

Mick 07-11-2016 07:24

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35868188)
Facebook trends are personalised. What people will see is somewhat dependent on their friends list, pages they liked etc.

Doesn't remove the fact that they are top trending and the new FBI investigation update, wasn't at the time of my earlier post. Shows what people are mostly talking about. Although since my post last night, Comey is now showing 1 Million 'talking about this'.

Damien 07-11-2016 07:44

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35868190)
Doesn't remove the fact that they are top trending and the new FBI investigation update, wasn't at the time of my earlier post. Shows what people are mostly talking about. Although since my post last night, Comey is now showing 1 Million 'talking about this'.

Yes but it also means other users will be seeing different things. Facebook is a bubble, it does not reflect wider society. If I was to go by my social network feed then Clinton would win in a blowout, Remain would have won and Ed Miliband would be Prime Minister.

Mick 07-11-2016 08:10

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35868192)
Yes but it also means other users will be seeing different things. Facebook is a bubble, it does not reflect wider society. If I was to go by my social network feed then Clinton would win in a blowout, Remain would have won and Ed Miliband would be Prime Minister.

I never said anything about 'winning' Damien, it's about what is being talked about the most across the Facebook platform.

This is from Facebook itself:

Quote:

Trending shows you a list of topics and hashtags that have recently spiked in popularity on Facebook. This list is personalized based on a number of factors, including Pages you've liked, your location and what's trending across Facebook.
So it does trend what is across the whole of Facebook. Not just redundant to what I like or my friends.

Damien 07-11-2016 08:16

Re: US Election 2016
 
It literally says just above then it you had in bold that it's personalised. For example I am just seeing sports stuff this morning.

Mr Banana 07-11-2016 10:48

Re: US Election 2016
 
What Obama said when a trump supporter turned up and what Trump claims Obama did

Watch the videos but its pretty clear Trump is a liar

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-disgrace.html

Mick 07-11-2016 10:55

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35868228)
What Obama said when a trump supporter turned up and what Trump claims Obama did

Watch the videos but its pretty clear Trump is a liar

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-disgrace.html

:zzz:

Mr Banana 07-11-2016 11:04

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35868232)
:zzz:

Come on Mick, watch the videos, did Trump lie or not?

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/...protester.html

Mick 07-11-2016 12:36

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35868237)
Come on Mick, watch the videos, did Trump lie or not?

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/...protester.html

You're about 3 days behind the times hence why I fell asleep :zzz:

He did, he got that fundamentally wrong and I put that down to him not actually watching it and or interpreting it right either that or the campaign team have and they have not read the situation right either and fed him duff information.

Vast majority of Trump supporters, are anti-Obama, so he's feeding them a narrative, telling them what they want to hear. I don't think it would have fitted in with their agenda, Trump praising Obama. Trump wins supporters, I guess by dissing the current serving President and Hillary, which let's face it, the pair do not have a good track records while in Office.

tweetiepooh 07-11-2016 12:59

Re: US Election 2016
 
I hate negative campaigning and would be more reluctant to vote for anyone who spent their time denigrating their opponents that stating what they want to positively do. Other agree and is likely one reason our local MP retained his seat with increased majority.
Would be fun if the American public went out and voted for one of the "others" en-mass. Just to see the look on the faces of both Trump and Clinton when neither get in.

vincerooney 07-11-2016 13:21

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35867738)
Bill Clinton ???

Hilary has stated that she will use Bill Clintons expertise for domestic policies... I like to kid myself it means he'll basically be running the ship and i can pretend its 1996 all over again and its all been a horrible dream and im not now 31 years old.

ianch99 07-11-2016 18:02

Re: US Election 2016
 
Interesting perspective on Trump and his appeal:

Myth, Reality and America’s Fascist Alt-Right

papa smurf 07-11-2016 19:20

Re: US Election 2016
 
i don't like the crazy lady i think she's a wrong un .

Hom3r 07-11-2016 19:22

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35868160)
No one tried to shoot him. The guy was a protestor. Someone else shouted out 'gun' and then the confusion happened.

It's not that hard to confuse a Trump support.:D

I mean some idiot who was buying a gun said "Hillary is a Satanist, and worships Satan."

And this guy was allowed to buy a gun :shocked:

heero_yuy 07-11-2016 19:22

Re: US Election 2016
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35868358)
i don't like the crazy lady i think she's a wrong un .

Well they're both deranged to some extent. On balance I'd rather have the president talking to the Ruskies rather than lobbing missiles at them.:erm:


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