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SnoopZ 23-06-2015 09:03
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
After the latest updated post from Gabriel Aul it has left me more confused.

It looks like you can continue as an insider after 29/7 and keep getting updated Win 10 builds, so this looks like a way for people without a legit key to keep using Win 10.

My problem is i own a legit Win 8 key and from the post below it looks like i have to downgrade back to Win 8 to get the FREE Win 10 upgrade as staying as an insider i will lose that after 1 year, how does everyone else read it?

Quote:
“I want to continue as a Windows Insider!” If you want to continue as a Windows Insider past 7/29 there is nothing you need to do. You’re already opted in and receiving builds in the Fast or Slow ring depending upon your selection. This is prerelease software and is activated with a prerelease key. Each individual build will expire after a time, but you’ll continue to receive new builds so by the time an older prerelease build expires you’ll have received a new one. Since we’re continuing the Windows Insider Program you’ll be able to continue receiving builds and those builds will continue to be activated under the terms of the Windows Insider Program. We provide ISOs for these builds for recovery from any significant problems, but they are still pre-release software. As part of the program we’ll upgrade Insiders to what is for all intents and purposes the same build as what other customers will get on 7/29, but that will be just another build for Insiders, and those who stay in the program will simply get the next build after as well.

“I want to opt out of the Windows Insider Program on 7/29.” If you decide to opt-out of the program and upgrade to the 7/29 build you will be subject to exactly the same terms and conditions that govern the offer* that was extended to all Genuine Windows 7 and 8.1 customers. This is not a path to attain a license for Windows XP or Windows Vista systems. If your system upgraded from a Genuine Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 license it will remain activated, but if not, you will be required to roll back to your previous OS version or acquire a new Windows 10 license. If you do not roll back or acquire a new license the build will eventually expire.
http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwin...review-builds/

Stephen 23-06-2015 09:24
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
You only have to downgrade to your previous OS if you have XP or Vista. Win 7/8/8.1 will stay activated.

Well thats what I get from it.

SnoopZ 23-06-2015 09:26
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35784639)
You only have to downgrade to your previous OS if you have XP or Vista. Win 7/8/8.1 will stay activated.

Well thats what I get from it.
But if you clean installed Windows 10 preview like lots of insiders it won't know you had a legit copy of 7 or 8? This is where i am confused.

Quote:
If your system upgraded from a Genuine Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 license it will remain activated, but if not, you will be required to roll back to your previous OS version or acquire a new Windows 10 license.

johnhook 23-06-2015 11:44
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
It is quite simple if you want to continue to test after RTM then you can freely with your clean install

If you no longer want to test you have to have a valid windows key for 7 or 8

I am simply going to continue as an Insider I doubt the rollouts will be that often and past RTM I will switch to slow ring .

SnoopZ 23-06-2015 11:58
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhook (Post 35784658)
It is quite simple if you want to continue to test after RTM then you can freely with your clean install

If you no longer want to test you have to have a valid windows key for 7 or 8

I am simply going to continue as an Insider I doubt the rollouts will be that often and past RTM I will switch to slow ring .
Yes i can see that if you want to be a tester just stay in the Preview, but in doing so you will lose your FREE upgrade if you don't claim it in the first year, so what i can see we need to install 7 or 8 again at RTM so we don't lose it? Then we can rejoin the as a tester?

cimt 23-06-2015 12:03
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
To me that just sounds like they're telling XP and Vista users that they'll need to roll back.

SnoopZ 23-06-2015 12:08
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cimt (Post 35784666)
To me that just sounds like they're telling XP and Vista users that they'll need to roll back.
MS never give a clear message, so obviously they won't know my Windows 8 key if i did a clean install( as far as i know) so i think i will not take the risk of losing the FREE upgrade and clean install 8 when needed then join as an insider again possibly.

qasdfdsaq 23-06-2015 13:59
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35784672)
MS never give a clear message, so obviously they won't know my Windows 8 key if i did a clean install( as far as i know) so i think i will not take the risk of losing the FREE upgrade and clean install 8 when needed then join as an insider again possibly.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9395/w...-update-part-2

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You are a Windows Insider, and you want to stay in the program. After Windows 10 launches, the Insider program will continue. If you want to stay an insider after the launch, there is nothing to be done and you will continue to have an activated copy of Windows. However, from the post, there is one more point to add: “the Windows Insider Program is intended to be installed on Genuine Windows devices” so even though they are not checking, to be in full compliance, the device running the Insider preview of Windows 10 should be a licensed computer.

The second scenario is that you have upgraded your Windows 7 or 8.1 computer to the pre-release Windows 10 build, but when the final build comes around you want to exit the program. As long as you started with a licensed Windows 7 or 8.1 PC, your PC will remain activated.

The final scenario is if you want to exit the Insider program, but you are running Windows 10 from a clean install. In this scenario, you will be required to roll back to the original operating system, and then do the Windows 10 upgrade in order to get activated. Once activated, you can do another clean install if necessary.

johnhook 23-06-2015 18:37
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35784663)
Yes i can see that if you want to be a tester just stay in the Preview, but in doing so you will lose your FREE upgrade if you don't claim it in the first year, so what i can see we need to install 7 or 8 again at RTM so we don't lose it? Then we can rejoin the as a tester?
if you stay as an Insider you keep the operating system for free.Its not the same as the free upgrade as they do not have to take on preview builds.

Your options are test windows for the duration or clean install 8 and upgrade that way. Or do both

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Quote:
Originally Posted by cimt (Post 35784666)
To me that just sounds like they're telling XP and Vista users that they'll need to roll back.
You will not be able to do an in place upgrade from either of them operating systems and the upgrade is not free for them anyway

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Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35784691)
Computers do not need a licence what they are saying there makes no sense

SnoopZ 23-06-2015 20:29
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhook (Post 35784743)
if you stay as an Insider you keep the operating system for free.Its not the same as the free upgrade as they do not have to take on preview builds.

Your options are test windows for the duration or clean install 8 and upgrade that way. Or do both

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You will not be able to do an in place upgrade from either of them operating systems and the upgrade is not free for them anyway

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Computers do not need a licence what they are saying there makes no sense
I will eventually clean install my Win8 Pro and get my legit key that way, then may become an insider again. :)

qasdfdsaq 24-06-2015 11:26
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhook (Post 35784743)
Computers do not need a licence what they are saying there makes no sense
Perhaps you should look up what "license" means.

johnhook 24-06-2015 12:08
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35784852)
Perhaps you should look up what "license" means.
lol I know what it means and from what I can see in the EULA of the insider preview there is nowhere in it that states the PC you install it on has to be licensed prior to installation. In fact it does make it clear that it is aimed at the expert who may well have test hardware for such instances.

Ken W 24-06-2015 12:22
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhook (Post 35784871)
lol I know what it means and from what I can see in the EULA of the insider preview there is nowhere in it that states the PC you install it on has to be licensed prior to installation. In fact it does make it clear that it is aimed at the expert who may well have test hardware for such instances.
What is means is the Windows 10 needs to be activate which ties Windows 10 installation to that pc.

qasdfdsaq 24-06-2015 13:09
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhook (Post 35784871)
lol I know what it means and from what I can see in the EULA of the insider preview there is nowhere in it that states the PC you install it on has to be licensed prior to installation. In fact it does make it clear that it is aimed at the expert who may well have test hardware for such instances.
Perhaps you need to work on your reading comprehension too. Nobody claimed it was written in the EULA. It was quite clearly referring to the fact Microsoft intended not licensed it to be used on only genuine Windows devices.

johnhook 24-06-2015 14:23
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35784890)
Perhaps you need to work on your reading comprehension too. Nobody claimed it was written in the EULA. It was quite clearly referring to the fact Microsoft intended not licensed it to be used on only genuine Windows devices.
Who says? if that was what M$ wanted it would be in the EULA I could have been running Nix on my hardware and it never seen Windows before M$ are and would be more than happy for me to install the Insider preview on it

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken W (Post 35784877)
What is means is the Windows 10 needs to be activate which ties Windows 10 installation to that pc.
Windows 10 insider preview certainly does not need to be activated to an existing installation. A key is provided with the insider preview downloads but it is never asked for and this will remain activated as long as I remain an Insider and opt in to test builds after RTM

Any X86 hardware would become licensed to the windows 10 insider preview for desktops

qasdfdsaq 24-06-2015 15:39
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhook (Post 35784919)
Who says? if that was what M$ wanted it would be in the EULA I could have been running Nix on my hardware and it never seen Windows before M$ are and would be more than happy for me to install the Insider preview on it
Microsoft says. It's quite clearly written in the article you're criticising despite evidently not actually reading it.

johnhook 24-06-2015 16:25
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35784948)
Microsoft says. It's quite clearly written in the article you're criticising despite evidently not actually reading it.
I do not really care what some guy says in a blog no matter who he is or who he works for. Now knowing what a license is and by agreeing to the EULA which does not state it has to be on a Genuine Windows Computer then I get a legal insider license

Also how many on the forum built their own machine? Now does that qualify prior to installing windows 7 or 8 is it not a genuine device? so if I built a machine with the intent of testing windows 10 I am not meant to use it? nonsense. M$ have been happy getting it tested by millions for free now a little over a month before RTM they are saying Oh some of you are not meant to be running it?

v0id 24-06-2015 18:26
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
All previous Windows previews had a shelf life, and would stop working a few months after RTM.

The same thing will probably happen for those who don't have a valid windows key for the upgrade.

Insiders shouldn't be using the preview as their main PC anyway, like it told you when you signed up to the Insider preview

johnhook 24-06-2015 19:44
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by v0id (Post 35784976)
All previous Windows previews had a shelf life, and would stop working a few months after RTM.

The same thing will probably happen for those who don't have a valid windows key for the upgrade.

Insiders shouldn't be using the preview as their main PC anyway, like it told you when you signed up to the Insider preview
Insiders on the preview will be updated to RTM and will continue to test preview builds after release. If they leave the program and still use windows 10 then they will need to upgrade from windows 7 or 8 that has all be laid out previously

They advise that it is a test environment and advise not to be used as main PC some builds have not been stable enough others are. 10130 is usable for 90% of what I do just can not watch movies on my tv without it skipping to the end 10 mins in then I just boot to windows 8.1 which I kept

Stephen 24-06-2015 22:29
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Insiders without genuine keys will only be able to keep a free and updated version of Windows 10 if they stay in the preview and continue to try out preview builds.

If you don't do that your Windows 10 will eventually cease to function.

Insiders that have genuine keys from Win 7/8 then they will get the RTM and any regular system updates after that, they won't have to keep testing new builds.

I see that as a good trade off For example I only use Windows via bootcamp to play games every so often and also to stream X1 games now. Its not my main OS so being able to keep it working for free is fine by me.

Stuart 24-06-2015 22:54
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhook (Post 35784743)
Computers do not need a licence what they are saying there makes no sense
Wrong. They do. When you get an OEM copy of Windows with a machine, the licence code is usually printed on a sticker somewhere on the machine.

johnhook 25-06-2015 10:00
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35785020)
Wrong. They do. When you get an OEM copy of Windows with a machine, the licence code is usually printed on a sticker somewhere on the machine.
What utter nonsense and from someone who knows better

Look on Ebuyer they sell machines with no OS are they licensed? no. Would M$ be bothered if you installed insider preview? no

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35785017)
Insiders without genuine keys will only be able to keep a free and updated version of Windows 10 if they stay in the preview and continue to try out preview builds.

If you don't do that your Windows 10 will eventually cease to function.

Insiders that have genuine keys from Win 7/8 then they will get the RTM and any regular system updates after that, they won't have to keep testing new builds.

I see that as a good trade off For example I only use Windows via bootcamp to play games every so often and also to stream X1 games now. Its not my main OS so being able to keep it working for free is fine by me.

exactly what I have said over and over :)

Stephen 25-06-2015 10:07
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
The machine IS licensed when an OS and software is provided!

That's what they are trying to tell you.

If you buy a PC with no OS then all you have are some parts in a box. So really to have windows you jave to have a license.

If you install insider preview you get a temp licence. So in order to keep that you need to buy a genuine copy or stay in the preview program.

Simple rrslly

johnhook 25-06-2015 10:13
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35785048)
The machine IS licensed when an OS and software is provided!

That's what they are trying to tell you.

If you buy a PC with no OS then all you have are some parts in a box. So really to have windows you jave to have a license

lol now you are talking to me like I am stupid.

If you want pedantry then the License you receive when you buy an operating system is for the operating system and not machine it is running on. OEM operating systems are tied to the hardware retail operating systems are not you can move to another machine as long as the OS is removed from the other machine

A computer does not need a license the operating system does in most cases

qasdfdsaq 25-06-2015 10:29
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhook (Post 35784960)
I do not really care what some guy says in a blog no matter who he is or who he works for. Now knowing what a license is and by agreeing to the EULA which does not state it has to be on a Genuine Windows Computer then I get a legal insider license
Once again, I'd rather believe what Microsoft says on their official Windows 10 blog than your irreverant rantings on a non-Microsoft related forum.

johnhook 25-06-2015 10:30
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35785059)
Once again, I'd rather believe what Microsoft says on their official Windows 10 blog than your irreverant rantings on a non-Microsoft related forum.
Well that is fine but without an entry to the EULA then it simply is not binding in any case. Who is it I am not showing respect for btw? you or the Microsoft rep? And if you want to see disrespectful posts have a good long look back at some of yours

qasdfdsaq 25-06-2015 10:32
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Once again, nobody said it was binding.

johnhook 25-06-2015 10:32
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35785061)
Once again, nobody said it was binding.
in which case it is meaningless

qasdfdsaq 25-06-2015 17:30
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhook (Post 35785062)
in which case it is meaningless
It's people with that sort of attitude that drive Microsoft to change the rules and MAKE it binding, making life harder and more expensive for the rest of us.

johnhook 25-06-2015 18:27
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35785152)
It's people with that sort of attitude that drive Microsoft to change the rules and MAKE it binding, making life harder and more expensive for the rest of us.

Rubbish

Stuart 25-06-2015 20:06
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhook (Post 35785044)
What utter nonsense and from someone who knows better

Look on Ebuyer they sell machines with no OS are they licensed? no. Would M$ be bothered if you installed insider preview? no
Yeah, but I mentioned machines with an OEM copy of windows. As your average consumer is likely to buy.

It's also worth noting that while MS seem perfectly happy to keep people without valid Windows licences running essentially betas, they don't seem too happy about allowing them to exit the Insider Preview programme. The requirement to sign in with a Microsoft account might also trouble some (this can be disabled in Windows 10, but MS have said it is required for continued participation in the Insider programme.


Don't get me wrong, I am happy to use test versions of software (alpha, beta, RTM, whatever) and am currently typing this on Windows 10 build 10130. I am happy to try and fix whatever problems occur (not that I've had any I can specifically say Windows 10 caused), but not everyone is happy to do that.

johnhook 25-06-2015 21:13
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35785197)
Yeah, but I mentioned machines with an OEM copy of windows. As your average consumer is likely to buy.

It's also worth noting that while MS seem perfectly happy to keep people without valid Windows licences running essentially betas, they don't seem too happy about allowing them to exit the Insider Preview programme. The requirement to sign in with a Microsoft account might also trouble some (this can be disabled in Windows 10, but MS have said it is required for continued participation in the Insider programme.


Don't get me wrong, I am happy to use test versions of software (alpha, beta, RTM, whatever) and am currently typing this on Windows 10 build 10130. I am happy to try and fix whatever problems occur (not that I've had any I can specifically say Windows 10 caused), but not everyone is happy to do that.

Easy enough to make up an online persona though and for all intense and purpose it is still a free operating system and staying on the slow ring after RTM I doubt you will see many complete builds.

On a side note I find it strange there has not been a new Insider release in ages they are upto and possibly above 10147 now 148 for mobile devices wondering if the next we see is a RC early July

qasdfdsaq 25-06-2015 23:21
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhook (Post 35785174)
Rubbish
Yes, all you speak is rubbish.

While there's plenty of hard evidence to back up my case though, all you've got is the fact you're too ignorant to care.

The very fact you can't install Windows without a CD key now is in response to people with your sort of attitude abusing the grace period to run a free copy of windows. Sure, it's not technically illegal... Still ****es Microsoft enough that they've now banned it outright.

johnhook 26-06-2015 09:13
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35785238)
Yes, all you speak is rubbish.

While there's plenty of hard evidence to back up my case though, all you've got is the fact you're too ignorant to care.

The very fact you can't install Windows without a CD key now is in response to people with your sort of attitude abusing the grace period to run a free copy of windows. Sure, it's not technically illegal... Still ****es Microsoft enough that they've now banned it outright.
what case?

What a load of rubbish. I own Windows 8 I bought it for 14.99 on release. I run Windows 10 on its own HDD perfectly legally as I have not breached any of the EULA

dunno what your problem is to be honest take a chill pill man

SnoopZ 26-06-2015 09:49
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Don't worry about it John the person in question always has a problem on this Forum.

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I wonder when we will see the next build? Maybe next week.

qasdfdsaq 26-06-2015 10:52
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhook (Post 35785260)
what case?

What a load of rubbish. I own Windows 8 I bought it for 14.99 on release. I run Windows 10 on its own HDD perfectly legally as I have not breached any of the EULA

dunno what your problem is to be honest take a chill pill man
Again, you fail at reading comprehension.

Don't call other people's posts rubbish if you can't even understand them.

johnhook 26-06-2015 11:36
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35785276)
Again, you fail at reading comprehension.

Don't call other people's posts rubbish if you can't even understand them.
I understand perfectly well.

Stephen 26-06-2015 17:13
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
No you clearly don't.

If you are running Win 10 on a seperate HDD. You will need to upgrade your 8.1 to 10 and erase the Win 10 HDD.

Or keep that copy of 10 in the preview program receiving new versions.

johnhook 26-06-2015 18:07
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35785362)
No you clearly don't.

If you are running Win 10 on a seperate HDD. You will need to upgrade your 8.1 to 10 and erase the Win 10 HDD.

Or keep that copy of 10 in the preview program receiving new versions.

I know I have said the same over and over have a read back.

Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhook (Post 35784990)
Insiders on the preview will be updated to RTM and will continue to test preview builds after release. If they leave the program and still use windows 10 then they will need to upgrade from windows 7 or 8 that has all be laid out previously

They advise that it is a test environment and advise not to be used as main PC some builds have not been stable enough others are. 10130 is usable for 90% of what I do just can not watch movies on my tv without it skipping to the end 10 mins in then I just boot to windows 8.1 which I kept


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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhook (Post 35784743)
if you stay as an Insider you keep the operating system for free.Its not the same as the free upgrade as they do not have to take on preview builds.

Your options are test windows for the duration or clean install 8 and upgrade that way. Or do both

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You will not be able to do an in place upgrade from either of them operating systems and the upgrade is not free for them anyway

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Computers do not need a licence what they are saying there makes no sense


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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhook (Post 35784658)
It is quite simple if you want to continue to test after RTM then you can freely with your clean install

If you no longer want to test you have to have a valid windows key for 7 or 8

I am simply going to continue as an Insider I doubt the rollouts will be that often and past RTM I will switch to slow ring .
There found them for you

Nothing I have said in this thread is wrong

Nowhere in the EULA is there a clause that says you have to have a licensed computer all we have is a blog post

A Operating system license is for the software not the computer a computer does not need a license some software does

A Clean direct install of the insider preview will continue to work after RTM on a basis of the user continuing to test the operating systems new builds

All correct I know my subject not sure about some of the rest of ya

heero_yuy 26-06-2015 18:26
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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2015/06/7.gif

johnhook 26-06-2015 18:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35785385)
Tell ya something I am useless at interpreting these things do not spend that long on forums and only use basic ones everywhere you know the : ) ; ) : D type things takes no time :)

qasdfdsaq 26-06-2015 18:45
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhook (Post 35785375)
Nothing I have said in this thread is wrong
This statement is wrong.

johnhook 26-06-2015 20:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35785387)
This statement is wrong.
wow I waited that long for that ?

Stephen 26-06-2015 22:19
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No your computer doesn't need to be licenced but by installing the OS whether its the preview or bought copy, you are licensing that computer and effectively agreeing to the T&Cs.

The EULA is you agreeing to abide their rules when you install their software. So in effect that then gives you permission to install and run that software.

Which means your PC then has a licence. When you buy Windows you are buying the software licence or key and whatever machine you install it on is then licensed to use that.

So in effect what you said is wrong.

johnhook 26-06-2015 22:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35785419)
No your computer doesn't need to be licenced but by installing the OS whether its the preview or bought copy, you are licensing that computer and effectively agreeing to the T&Cs.

The EULA is you agreeing to abide their rules when you install their software. So in effect that then gives you permission to install and run that software.

Which means your PC then has a licence. When you buy Windows you are buying the software licence or key and whatever machine you install it on is then licensed to use that.

So in effect what you said is wrong.
hahahaha the PC is running software with a license the user has the license sometimes the software is tied to the machine sometimes it is not and can be transfered but can only be used once unless a VLE and as I have kept saying I have abided with the EULA so I am not wrong at all

SnoopZ 26-06-2015 23:05
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
We will just all have to agree to disagree. :)

Dave42 27-06-2015 13:19
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
video for build 10154

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph2VrYb0wek

SnoopZ 27-06-2015 17:02
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
I hope we get another build soon. :)

johnhook 27-06-2015 18:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35785485)
I hope we get another build soon. :)
Think the next one to us will be RC

qasdfdsaq 29-06-2015 10:12
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhook (Post 35785494)
Think the next one to us will be RC
This statement is wrong.

SnoopZ 29-06-2015 11:16
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Just been announced we can expect another build soon, builds dont usually get released on Mondays or Fridays so possibly next few days if the interwebs are to be believed.

Dave42 29-06-2015 12:49
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35785673)
Just been announced we can expect another build soon, builds dont usually get released on Mondays or Fridays so possibly next few days if the interwebs are to be believed.
but there has been quite a few builds on a Friday hopefully Gabe will press that button later today

johnhook 29-06-2015 13:35
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35785644)
This statement is wrong.
Yeah I stated I think did not profess to know. But hey if you wanna play childish games I am well up for it and trust me I will do your head in way before you do in mine

qasdfdsaq 29-06-2015 13:57
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhook (Post 35785691)
Yeah I stated I think did not profess to know. But hey if you wanna play childish games I am well up for it and trust me I will do your head in way before you do in mine
This statement is wrong.

Stuart 29-06-2015 16:41
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Guys ,do not argue with each other.

Paul 29-06-2015 17:50
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhook (Post 35785691)
But hey if you wanna play childish games I am well up for it and trust me I will do your head in way before you do in mine
... and I will stamp on both of you long before either of you gets that far. Act like adults please.

SnoopZ 29-06-2015 23:26
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35785673)
Just been announced we can expect another build soon, builds dont usually get released on Mondays or Fridays so possibly next few days if the interwebs are to be believed.
Build 10158 is now rolling out on the fast ring, so much for not on a Monday.

Dave42 29-06-2015 23:26
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
windows 10 build 10158 out now fast ring

http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwin...medium=twitter

Stop It 30-06-2015 07:50
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
No Insider Hub on this release by default. Expected but also shows how close we are to RTM.

Weird too as they want to keep the test system open so Insiders get new builds but making the feedback system optional?

SnoopZ 30-06-2015 08:13
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Got up early as not in work for a few weeks so i hope the upgrade goes smoothly and it has fixed my problems with build 10130.

Dave42 30-06-2015 08:45
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35785886)
Got up early as not in work for a few weeks so i hope the upgrade goes smoothly and it has fixed my problems with build 10130.
still cant see build 10158 here on fast ring too and MS account :(

SnoopZ 30-06-2015 09:10
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35785890)
still cant see build 10158 here on fast ring too and MS account :(
All installed ok here.

Did you do an upgrade from 10130 like i did?

Dave42 30-06-2015 09:27
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35785897)
All installed ok here.

Did you do an upgrade from 10130 like i did?
cant even see the update from 10130 on fast ring so installing 8.1 again :(

johnhook 30-06-2015 09:42
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Problem with 10158 straight away. Realtek audio not working at all good start.

---------- Post added at 09:42 ---------- Previous post was at 09:32 ----------

Win 8.1 drivers does not fix it either

SnoopZ 30-06-2015 09:57
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
This build has fixed my PIN account issue, i did have to do a reset though for the PIN,i can also now shutdown normally without that error window popping up.

Realtek audio works fine here John, i did an upgrade from 10130 if that made a diference, installed driver is 6.0.1.7535.

Dave42 30-06-2015 12:25
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
still cant get new build :( thing I give up to 29th of July unless MS release the ISO's

Stop It 30-06-2015 12:35
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35785926)
still cant get new build :( thing I give up to 29th of July unless MS release the ISO's
This is the first build that requires your MS account linked to the computer that you're installing to.

Note, that isn't any MS account, but the one that you signed to the Insider program to begin with, so make sure you have that linked properly otherwise you wont get a build on July 29th either.

If that's in order, then er, yeah, wait for ISO I guess.

Dave42 30-06-2015 12:51
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stop It (Post 35785933)
This is the first build that requires your MS account linked to the computer that you're installing to.

Note, that isn't any MS account, but the one that you signed to the Insider program to begin with, so make sure you have that linked properly otherwise you wont get a build on July 29th either.

If that's in order, then er, yeah, wait for ISO I guess.
yes I know I'm using MS account still can get download in windows updates

SnoopZ 30-06-2015 12:54
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35785941)
yes I know I'm using MS account still can get download in windows updates
Have you checked you're still on the fast ring, try moving to it again?

Dave42 30-06-2015 12:57
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35785945)
Have you checked you're still on the fast ring, try moving to it again?
yep on fast ring reset that lots of times nothing works :(

SnoopZ 30-06-2015 13:25
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35785946)
yep on fast ring reset that lots of times nothing works :(
Can these unofficial ISOs help you?

http://winaero.com/blog/download-win...58-iso-images/

johnhook 30-06-2015 14:02
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35785904)
This build has fixed my PIN account issue, i did have to do a reset though for the PIN,i can also now shutdown normally without that error window popping up.

Realtek audio works fine here John, i did an upgrade from 10130 if that made a diference, installed driver is 6.0.1.7535.
I did an upgrade ive tried clean ive tried Asrock win 8.1 driver ive tried newest from Realtek. ALC892 chip. I can get stereo but the minute I change it to 5.1 it totally breaks

SnoopZ 30-06-2015 14:26
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhook (Post 35785953)
I did an upgrade ive tried clean ive tried Asrock win 8.1 driver ive tried newest from Realtek. ALC892 chip. I can get stereo but the minute I change it to 5.1 it totally breaks
I only use stereo here, so that explains why mine works.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhook (Post 35785953)
I did an upgrade ive tried clean ive tried Asrock win 8.1 driver ive tried newest from Realtek. ALC892 chip. I can get stereo but the minute I change it to 5.1 it totally breaks
This may not help you but saw it on another forum.

Quote:
Updated to 10158 from 10130. First problem found: no sound. Turned out to be solved by the procedure I learned here, sorry I can't remember who to thank - maybe @Winona? - i.e. right click audio, and try different settings in advanced properties. Funny thing is this build needed "CD quality", whereas 10130 was just fine with a higher quality setting.

johnhook 30-06-2015 14:59
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Just had a message saying driver enhancements are causing a problem with this device do you want to disable. Broke again lol

---------- Post added at 14:59 ---------- Previous post was at 14:31 ----------

got it working with a 2012 driver problem is Update will keep wanting change it

Dave42 30-06-2015 16:34
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35785951)
Can these unofficial ISOs help you?

http://winaero.com/blog/download-win...58-iso-images/
nope no en-gb available so pointless as cortana ect wont work I have now reinstalled 8.1

SnoopZ 30-06-2015 16:36
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35785975)
nope no en-gb available so pointless as cortana ect wont work I have now reinstalled 8.1
Maybe you can change the KEY to get it to install?

Loads of people appear to be having your issue so a fix may appear online soon when discovered.

johnhook 30-06-2015 18:25
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35785975)
nope no en-gb available so pointless as cortana ect wont work I have now reinstalled 8.1
lot of language packs in the UK version might be worth testing in a VM

---------- Post added at 18:25 ---------- Previous post was at 17:31 ----------

Not liking this build already. Downloaded application installers are delayed in opening noticeably slower than before. The broken audio for me and I really do not like Edge just far to restricted in what you can do with it at present

SnoopZ 30-06-2015 18:40
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Strange how the builds affect different folk as this is the best build for me so far.

Stop It 30-06-2015 19:04
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Well, took a few attempts to get the thing to actually engage the update, but downloading now.

Will report any issues later. I have my PC connected to a HDTV via HDMI so use the Nvidia audio so shouldn't be affected by the Realtek thing but you never know.

SnoopZ 30-06-2015 19:23
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35785975)
nope no en-gb available so pointless as cortana ect wont work I have now reinstalled 8.1
Possibly an update problem,check the link.

http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/12...entry596907578

Dave42 30-06-2015 20:51
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35786036)
Possibly an update problem,check the link.

http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/12...entry596907578
yep I had them update requires restart errors that be why I could not get new build no matter what I did could not sort them errors

SnoopZ 30-06-2015 21:00
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35786058)
yep I had them update requires restart errors that be why I could not get new build no matter what I did could not sort them errors
Could it be something else on your PC that is stopping them installing?

Dave42 30-06-2015 21:30
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35786059)
Could it be something else on your PC that is stopping them installing?
found a en-gb esd just made a ISO so gonna install now

on build 10158 now install went find got all drivers installed now just programs to reinstall :)

SnoopZ 30-06-2015 22:50
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35786062)
found a en-gb esd just made a ISO so gonna install now

on build 10158 now install went find got all drivers installed now just programs to reinstall :)
Excellent, hope it works well for you like it did here.

Dave42 30-06-2015 23:09
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35786075)
Excellent, hope it works well for you like it did here.
some forums are saying build 10159 showing on fast now I have changed don't see it yet

SnoopZ 30-06-2015 23:18
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35786080)
some forums are saying build 10159 showing on fast now I have changed don't see it yet
That was quick! I won't get chance to install it until Thursday but will check in the morning if I have it.

This build has over 300 fixes.

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft...10-build-10159

Dave42 30-06-2015 23:23
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
it's official still don't see it though

http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwin...ther-pc-build/

SnoopZ 30-06-2015 23:25
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
If I get up early I may install, just hope I see it.

Dave42 30-06-2015 23:35
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35786086)
If I get up early I may install, just hope I see it.
me too after not seeing build 10158 :LOL:

SnoopZ 30-06-2015 23:42
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35786089)
me too after not seeing build 10158 :LOL:
Good luck I hope you see it this time! Lol

Stop It 01-07-2015 08:38
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Well, that's another install this afternoon then! heh.

SnoopZ 01-07-2015 08:42
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Tomorrow for me no time today.

Dave42 01-07-2015 08:49
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
build 10159 here working great so far :)

SnoopZ 01-07-2015 08:54
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Alot of reports saying it is buggy, sound issues for some people and apps that won't open.

Stuart 01-07-2015 10:46
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Upgraded last night, and am at work today, so haven't had a lot of time to test it.

The interface seems a little cleaner, and I haven't really noticed any bugs.

However, rather bizarrely, while I was able to activate Cortana when connected to the machine via Remote Desktop, when I tried to activate her while actually sitting at the PC, I was told Cortana was not available in my area. Same keyboard and language settings for both sessions.

One thing has been fixed. I use Infuse Pro media player to download and play media on my various i devices. Infuse can accept media in most formats via various means including downloading it from Windows (SMB) shares. Infuse was unable to connect to Windows 10 shares (just carried on showing the busy revolving circle for as long as you left it). Now, it can.

Stop It 01-07-2015 14:24
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stop It (Post 35786099)
Well, that's another install this afternoon then! heh.
Or not.

Turns out the error message I got last night was because the new build superseded the older one when I was updating it, causing fun.

I'm on 10159 and all is good.

Even my Killer Lan E2100 works again after earlier Windows 10 builds killed it. (I got it from eBay dirt cheap in my defence)

Lew 01-07-2015 19:44
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Finally got round to installing the preview on my Toshiba 8" tablet today. It's currently installing 10159 :)

johnhook 01-07-2015 22:55
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Another terrible build. Installers delayed starting same as 58 apps wont run. Seeing as it is only meant to be tidying up they are making more of a mess

SnoopZ 02-07-2015 09:49
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Stuck on 0% at the moment while downloading 10159! never had this problem before has anyone else?

Think i fixed it by restarting 'Windows Update' service

MalteseFalcon 02-07-2015 10:03
Re: [Update] Windows 10 Discussion
 
Think I will stick with this current build then. Hopefully I can avoid the 10159 update. If not, will just go back and install 10130 again.


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