Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

December List update - December 2nd update.

Keep up-to-date on the latest news on upcoming channel launches and other important events across all platforms of Virgin TV network.

NOTE: I DO NOT WORK FOR VIRGIN MEDIA SO ALL THE INFORMATION ON THIS LIST IS STILL SUBJECT TO CHANGE

Colours on my list are as followed:

Media Boy = New Info just added.
Media Boy = Virgin Media News and links.
Media Boy = Other Media news/Things.

=== Coming up on Virgin's Digital TV ===
=== Freeviews on Virgin Media ===
Sep. 3rd. CBS Reality, Horror Channel, CBS Action, CBS Drama, CBS Reality +1 and Horror Channel +1 is having an freeview to all M+ and L packages on Virgin Channels 148, 149, 192, 197, 201 and 202 right now until December 31st 2013.
Oct. 25th. Premier Sports is having an freeview to all M, M+, L and XL packages on Virgin Channel 551 right now until (End date still to be confirmed).

=== December ===
10th. BBC Two HD to move from Virgin Channel 187 to Virgin Channel 161.
10th. BBC Three HD set to launch today on Virgin Channel 162*.
10th. BBC Four HD set to launch today on Virgin Channel 163*.
10th. BBC ALBA to move from Virgin Channel 188 to Virgin Channel 164.
10th. BBC News HD set to launch today on Virgin Channel 604*.
10th. CBBC HD set to launch today on Virgin Channel 710*.
10th. CBeebies HD set to launch today on Virgin Channel 711*.
16th. Media Boy to reveal 'Best of' 2013 winners only on Cable Forum.
17th. Media Boy to reveal the posters of all the 'Coming Soon to Virgin TV' thread today only on Cable Forum (Poll closes at midday on December 16th)

*Channel numbers thanks to DS Forum.

=== January 2014 ===
1st. Sky Movies Christmas to be rebrand as Sky Movies Drama and Romance on Virgin Channel 408.
1st. Sky Movies Christmas HD to be rebrand as Sky Movies Drama and Romance HD on Virgin Channel 438.
4th. Christmas 24 and Christmas 24 + will be rebranded as Movies 24 and Movies 24 + on Virgin Channels 419 and 420.
True Christmas will be rebranded as True Movies 1 on Virgin Channel 424 sometime this month.
Nick Jr. Christmas to be rebrand as Nick Jr. on Virgin Channel 715 sometime this month.

=== February 2014 ===
1st. Virgin Media to put some prices up from today.
27th. Local TV broadcaster Made in Leeds hope to launch today on Virgin Channel 159.

=== March 2014 ===
6th. Local TV broadcaster London Live hope to launch on Virgin Channel 159 today.

=== April 2014 ===
No News...

=== May 2014 ===
No News...

=== June 2014 ===
No News...

=== July 2014 ===
No News...

=== August 2014 ===
No News...

=== September 2014 ===
No News...

=== October 2014 ===
No News...

=== November 2014 ===
No News...

=== December 2014 ===
No News...

=== Not Confirmed as coming ===
-(UPDATED September 13th) Broadcastnow is reporting that Virgin Media are in new talks with Sky to carry 'Sky Atlantic SD' plus more.

=== Unknown dates ===
-News 18 will soon launch on Virgin Media.
-Sky to close Sky Arts 2 to launch Sky Bravo?
-The BBC will launch an BBC One +1 Channel.
-Local TV may launch on Virgin TV in some areas on Virgin Channel 159 (Starting in Late 2013).
-The BBC to axe BBC Radio 4 LW on Virgin Channel 911 ''in the long term''.
-The BBC hope to launch English regional variants of its existing BBC One HD service as well as Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland editions of BBC Two HD - but still need to be approved by the BBC Trust.

=== Channels ONLY in UPC Ireland areas ===
List last updated on October 1st 2013.

ONLY TV CHANNELS THAT ONLY BROADCAST IN THE UK WILL APPEAR ON THIS PART OF THE LIST OF MISSING CHANNELS NOT BROADCASTING IN VIRGIN MEDIA AREAS RIGHT NOW BUT IS BROADCASTING ON UPC IRELAND:

Documentaries:
-History HD
-Nat Geo Wild HD
-CI HD

News:
-Sky News HD

Movies:
-MGM HD

Sports:
-Sky Sports News HD

Lifestyle:
-Fashion TV

Kids:
-Disney Channel HD

Music:
-MTV Classic

Specialist:
-EWTN

Radio:
-UCB Ireland

©copyright 2013 Media Boy 2006 - 2013. An ''Keep it real and free'' Production.

=== Media Boy Extra info: ===
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See Virgin Media on ''twitter'' here - http://twitter.com/virginmedia
See Nialli's blog on Virgin Media High Definition & TiVo Services here - http://vmhd.blogspot.com/

==== Virgin Media's Deals with broadcasters ===
This part has now move to link called 'Own by'.

==== See you later ===
List last updated on December 2nd 2013.

Next update: TBC - unless:

A) If Virgin are set to launch more than TWO channels (TV or Radio) on Virgin TV.
B) If Virgin are set to move more than TWO channels (TV or Radio) about on Virgin TV.
C) If Virgin are set to close or repackage more then TWO channels (TV or Radio ) on Virgin TV.

Did I miss anything??? If I did tell me and it will appear on the next update.

©copyright 2013 Media Boy 2006 - 2013. An ''Keep it real and free'' Production.

ALL OF MY LINKS ARE UNDER THE LINE.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

Netflix are rumoured to be going after HBO content once the Sky deal ends.
As you say this could backfire on Sky , Sky are shooting themselves in the foot.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

There has certainly been a lot of speculation on here previously about Sky Atlantic coming, and I admit that I was one of them. This was based really on the presumption that the exclusivity to Sky customers on satellite would only last for about a year and that Sky wouldn't keep forking out so much money for the programmes on Sky Atlantic with such a small audience.

The fact that they have continued to have this expensive loss leader for so long is very surprising, particularly as they will have milked it for all it was worth over the first 12 months.

The current prediction about Sky Atlantic, however, is not just down to speculation. It is based on the positive media reports that Sky and Virgin have been in more constructive talks and both now have an air of realism about this. The two companies are co-operating much more now, as evidenced by the recent multi million fibre deal as an example, and Sky are really keen to get the new Sky Bravo channel onto the cable platform. Add the Liberty Global takeover and the Sky/BT spat to the mix, and the media reports that a deal was expected in the autumn all sounds very plausible to me.

You can all believe what you want, but if you prefer to listen to Sky Customer Services employees and vague 'insider' information which is probably not worth a dot, then knock yourself out! Whilst the media can be a little OTT at times and sometimes make too much of very little, I would rather go on information from media reports than from these other 'sources' which just seem to be leading everyone up the garden path.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

So what exactly are SKY doing to shoot themselves in the foot? HBO knew the deal they where getting into, and what SKY planned to do with their content, when they accepted SKY's £150 million offer.

I can understand HBO selling their content to Netflix, in an attempt to broaden the potential viewing audience of their programming, however are Netflix prepared to match or better the £30 million per year that SKY pay?

Also there has been another interesting turn of events in regards to HBO shows shown exclusively on SKY Atlantic. We all know that SKY love to advertise their channels and programming to death across all of their own branded channels. Whilst this might not have significantly driven up their own new customer numbers wanting access to SKY Atlantic, it's believed it has actually helped drive up the sales of HBO DVD boxsets released in the UK. Once I find the link I'll post it but there was an article that suggested Games Of Thrones and Boardwalk Empire reached number 1 in the DVD sales charts pertly due to SKY's advertising of the shows. HBO aren't going to get that kind of exposure having their shows tucked away on Netflix.

I have both Netflix and SKY so I'm not really fussed who shows the content. As long as I continue to get access then I'm satisfied.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

exactly it speculation only it not coming sooner people realise that the better

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

The following things will happen on the following dates on this thread:

-16th. Final list updates of my list will be posted.
-16th. Media Boy to reveal 'Best of' 2013 winners only on Cable Forum.
-17th. Media Boy to reveal the posters of all the 'Coming Soon to Virgin TV' thread today only on Cable Forum (Poll closes at midday on December 16th)

-Jan 6th. Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2014) Vol. 1 will launch.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

Good point.

It would be no exaggeration to suggest over the past 3 years there has been maybe 10 separate supposed launch dates for SKY Atlantic, on Virgin Media, posted here on Cable Forum from reputable sources including insiders and press speculation. Through out SKY have time and time again denied such rumors or stuck to their guns in terms of the channel being exclusive to their platform.

3 years after the channel launched it's still not on Virgin Media. That should tell everyone what they need to know about these supposed launch dates or positive negotiations. It should also show which source of information has been consistent and accurate through out, that's been SKY. There is simply no way this can be denied.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

Agreed.

I don't think it's coming either, all I'm saying is that I know as much about the situation as your customer service rep, which is to say I don't know anything about it, and neither does she. It would have been interesting to see what she'd said had you attempted to drill her down on the details, ie. her source, was this the official company line or her own thoughts, etc.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

absolutely correct chad mate like I been saying all along sky will not change there stance on withheld channels they not coming

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

No, Dave, it's based on media reports. This constant denial from you seems to indicate that you are positively willing the channel not to appear!

I know that you believe that Sky would lose viewers by permitting Sky Atlantic to be shown on Virgin, and maybe they would. However, they would simply address that by putting forward other tantalising offers and promotions. You are wrong if you believe that most people stick with Sky just because of Atlantic.

Just look at the other posts on here. So many people are digital TV tarts who just go chasing price offers. Clearly, the strategy works.

---------- Post added at 12:57 ---------- Previous post was at 12:53 ----------

That assumes that nothing ever changes, Chad. History shows that is not the case.

Sky will continue to deny everything until the channel launches. Just like Virgin do. Nothing strange about that.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

totally wrong ask MM ect I have called sky lots on here for withholding the channels and been wanting the channels for very long time but know they not coming did not say just SA they lose customers said all the withheld channels they lose customers as VM ect much better value

sky still say must people join sky because of SA even though the viewing figures prove that to be totally wrong as over 90% of sky customers don't watch it

ps sky are kings of withholding channels and will continue to be

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

Says he the man who consistently said like many others who were in denial that we would not get BT Sports and what about Netflix when that was rumoured to be coming to Virgin Media and lol and behold the same pessimistic doomsayers were out in force again.:waving::Yes::dig::tiptoe:

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

...And there lies the contradiction.

If media reports say that Sky and Virgin are in positive discussions and that a deal is imminent (as they were saying last September), what is it that you know to contradict this? I respect that it is your opinion, but you don't actually know.

---------- Post added at 13:03 ---------- Previous post was at 13:02 ----------

It seems they never learn, Den, even when they are shown to be wrong, their negative outlook prevails.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

December 2013 update - December 2nd updates.

Keep up-to-date on what broadcasters own and do not own.

NOTE: The post will be updated every time Virgin Media signs no deal with broadcasters or when an new channels is set to launch from that broadcaster.

=== What is Media Boy on about??? ===

Here is what I mean when I post the following on Cable Forum:

Virgin Insiders - means just that.
'Do Not Post' order - means an Virgin insider has given me some info on things that set to happen but has told me not to reveal it right now.

==== Virgin Media's Deals with broadcasters ===
List last updated on December 2nd 2013.

Welcome to the all new look of this part of the list.

When deals with broadcasters run out Virgin Media need to sign new one to keep that Channel on Virgin TV.
Here is an list of channel that Virgin may get when they old deal runs out with that broadcaster:
Also Radio channels are broadcasting on Digital Radio via Freesat, Freeview, Freesat from Sky, Sky or UPC Ireland.

NOTE: Shopping Channels NOW ADDED to this list and only Broadcasts who has got some Channels broadcasting on Virgin Media right now appeared on this list. To start broadcasting soon = That channel has still to start broadcasting on UPC Ireland, Sky, Freesat or Freeview.

=== TV and Radio Channels: ===
=== Own by A+E Networks UK (A+E Networks/British Sky Broadcasting) ===
-CI HD (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).
-CI +1
-HISTORY HD (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).
-Lifetime +1
-Lifetime HD

=== Own by Active Channel Limited ===
-The Active Channel

=== Own by ARY Group ===
-ARY Qtv
-ARY Oneworld

=== Own by The BBC ===
-BBC Four HD (Channel soon to launch).
-BBC News HD (Channel soon to launch).
-BBC Three HD (Channel soon to launch).
-CBBC HD (Channel soon to launch).
-CBeebies HD (Channel soon to launch).

=== Own by British Sky Broadcasting ===
-Pick +1
-Sky1 +1
-Sky 3D
-Sky Atlantic
-Sky Atlantic +1
-Sky Atlantic HD
-Sky Bravo (Channel rumour to launch when Sky signed new broadcasting deal with Virgin Media - May replace Sky Arts 2).
-Sky News HD (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).
-SkyPoker.com
-Sky Sports F1 HD
-Sky Sports 3 HD
-Sky Sports 4 HD
-Sky Sports News HD (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).

=== Own by British Sky Broadcasting/Abu Dhabi Media Investment Corporation ===
-Sky News Arabia

=== Own by CBS Studios International/Chellomedia (Liberty Global) ===
-Reality TV

=== Own by Channel Four Television Corporation ===
-4Seven HD (Channel soon to start broadcasting.)

=== Own by CSC Media Group ===
-Bliss
-BuzMuzik
-Chart Show TV
-Chart Show TV Dance
-Flava
-Kix
-Kix Power
-POP
-Pop Girl
-Scuzz
-The Vault
-Tiny Pop +1

=== Own by Discovery Networks Western Europe ===
-TLC +2

=== Own by Disney-ABC Television Group ===
-Disney Channel HD (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).
-Disney Junior +
-Disney Junior HD
-Disney XD HD

=== Own by Eternal Word Television Network ===
-EWTN TV (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).
-EWTN Radio Europe

=== Own by Fox International Channels (21st Century Fox) ===
-Fox News Channel

=== Own by Global Music Television (Global Radio) ===
-Capital FM TV
-Heart FM TV

=== Own by Ideal Shopping Direct plc ===
-Create & Craft Extra
-Ideal Extra

=== Own by ITV Digital Channels Ltd (ITV plc) and JML Direct Ltd ===
-The Store

=== Own by MGM Channel (UK) Ltd (Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer/British Sky Broadcasting) ===
-MGM HD (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).

=== Own by Michel Adam Lisowski ===
-Fashion TV (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).

=== Own by Moving Movies Ltd. (CSC Media Group) ===
-True Drama
-True Movies 2

=== Own by NGC-UK Partnership (National Geographic Society/Fox International Channels [21st Century Fox]) ===
-Nat Wild HD (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).

=== Own by Nickelodeon UK (Viacom International Media Networks Europe/BSkyB) ===
-Nick Jr. +1

=== Own by Northern & Shell ===
-5Later (Soon to launch on Freeview).

=== Own by Paramount UK Partnership (Paramount British Pictures/British Sky Broadcasting) ===
-Comedy Central Extra +1

=== Own by Phoenix Television ===
-Phoenix CNE

=== Own by QVC (Liberty Interactive Corporation - Liberty Media) ===
-QVC Beauty
-QVC Extra
-QVC Style

=== Own by Raidió Teilifís Éireann ===
-RTÉ 2fm (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).
-RTÉ Ireland (Channel soon to launch for viewers in England, Scotland and Wales).
-RTÉ lyric fm (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).
-RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).

=== Own by Real & Smooth Ltd (Global Radio) ===
-Real Radio Wales

=== Own by Scripps Networks Interactive ===
-Food Network +1

=== Own by Sony Pictures Television ===
-More>Movies
-More>Movies +1
-Movies 4 Men
-Movies 4 Men +1
-Sony Entertainment Television +1
-Sony Movie Channel
-Sony Movie Channel +1

=== Own by STAR TV (21st Century Fox) ===
-STAR Jalsha
-STAR Plus HD

=== Own by TIML Radio Limited ===
-Absolute 90s

=== Own by Travel Channel International Ltd. (Scripps Networks Interactive) ===
-Travel Channel + 1

=== Own by Turner Broadcasting System (Time Warner) ===
-Test line

=== Own by United Christian Broadcasters ===
-UCB TV
-UCB Bible
-UCB Gospel
-UCB Inspiration
-UCB Ireland (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).

=== Own by Universal Networks International ===
-E! HD
-E! +1 (Now testing on $ky).
-Universal Channel HD

=== Own by Viacom ===
-BET: Black Ent Tv +1

=== Own by Viacom International Media Networks (Europe) ===
-MTV CLASSIC (Broadcasts in UPC Ireland areas right now).
-MTV LIVE
-MTV +1

=== Own by Zee Entertainment Enterprises ===
-ZEE News

NOTE TO ALL: Virgin Media and UPC Ireland are now both own by Liberty Global.

=== Media Boy Extra info: ===
Liberty Global - http://www.lgi.com/
Media Boy Blog - For all things Virgin TV - http://mediaboyblog.blogspot.com/
See Virgin Media on ''twitter'' here - http://twitter.com/virginmedia
See Nialli's blog on Virgin Media High Definition & TiVo Services here - http://vmhd.blogspot.com/

=== Ask Media Boy ===
Last updated November 4th 2013.

Q: WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION ABOUT VIRGIN MEDIA FROM?
A: I get all my info from Virgin Media viewers, some Virgin Media workers (I called them Virgin Insiders) and Web Sites (NOTE: When I used web sites I will post an link to that web site).

Q: WHY HAVE YOU ADDED 'ONLY IN UPC IRELAND AREAS' WHEN THIS THREAD IS FOR VIRGIN MEDIA?
A: Virgin Media and UPC Ireland are now both own by Liberty Global.

Q: WHY AM I NOT GETTING ''HISTORY HD'' OR ''DISNEY CHANNEL HD'' FOR?
A: HISTORY HD and Disney Channel HD is only broadcasting in UPC Ireland areas right now.

==== See you later ===
List last updated on December 2nd 2013.

Next update: TBC.

Did I miss anything??? If I did tell me and it will appear on the next update.

©copyright 2013 Media Boy 2006 - 2013. An ''Keep it real and free'' Production.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

I agree however at this point I've yet to see anything that suggests the channel is actually coming.

The strange thing is people on here seem to fall for the same speculation over and over again. Making excuses and bending the truth to try and accommodate their own belief that the channel is coming even thought common sense should tell them not to.

I agree there has been a few articles in the press that would suggest SKY and Virgin are in talks for the channel, and have a better chance than ever in terms of agreeing a deal, however some of those articles are pushing 6 months old now.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

MB, it's a bit pointless to say that. Could you not tell us whether you are talking about new channels, new apps, etc because otherwise we have no idea what to expect.

If you could say something like 'I have been given a 'Do Not Post' order in respect of new channels to launch soon', you would not be giving anything away but at least we would know whether we could look forward to it!

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

well OB only ones that really know how talks are going is VM and sky management every thing else is pure speculation even you got to agree with that mate I say again I do really want to be proved wrong on this as want the channels much a anyone

I only negative about getting the sky channels know what sky is like for withholding them

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

Media boy have you heard anything about sky news channels being in HD. May be launching when BBC HD channels do ?

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

Well, on three months we would agree. The thing is, the media is much more credible than these 'insiders' - I don't even know if some of these actually exist or it's a figment of their imagination.

If people think that we cannot have a reasonable conversation on issues that have been the subject of media reports, then what on earth is this thread about?

As I said above, the likely cause of the delay in a launch is the Sky Bravo channel being tagged on to the end of those negotiations. These things take time and I wouldn't be surprised if this hasn't delayed the launch until early in the New Year.

People will complain that 'it was supposed to be autumn, so it can't be true' if these channels do not launch before Christmas, but the BT and Fox fiascos surely prove that channel launches often get delayed. This does not mean that the original information was incorrect though.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

No news on Sky News HD and Sky Sports News HD launching.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

So you regard media reports as 'pure speculation'? You would rather listen to imaginary 'insiders'? I think there's more evidence for the existence of fairies.

And no, I don't believe in them either!

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

Dam hopes with BBC news HD then sky might give us sky sport news and sky news HD gits.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

media get lots of things wrong OB and where do you get id rather listen to imaginary insides from

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

I'd like to change my statement to 5 months :D

http://www.cable.co.uk/news/virgin-m...eal-801606778/

Who knows what is happening with SKY Bravo. I first took part in a focus group for the channel back on the 1st July. The session I participated in was just giving a flavour of what the channel would be, the type of programs they planned to show, what programs we'd like to see and a list of 10 names to vote from. We voted and SKY Bravo was the unanimous decision for the name of the new proposed channel. I actually voted for SKY Energize because I was told it was going to be a male hybrid entertainment channel which would not only show American muscle shows for blokes but would also featured sport and fitness.

A month later SKY registered the name and said they'd get back for further research. Since then all things SKY Bravo have died a death. No mention at all. I keep on bringing it up with the guys who run the group but nothing is said. The only thing I've heard, from another member of the group is the channel might not launch or won't launch until the end of 2014.

If it's SKY Bravo that's holding up the launch of SKY Atlantic on Virgin Media, it could be a while yet.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

I ever SKY Atlanic does launch then this forum will be dying. Oh with Oldboy and dave42 with the weekly back and forth on sky Atlanic being launch found this http://youtu.be/6mX-uKqdhdQ?t=2m10s this his how the forum sounds to me in fact most of the internet sounds like this :LOL:

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

From memory, Chad, I think there was a Broadcast Now report in September, but maybe it was a little earlier.

I don't think a delayed channel launch for Sky Bravo would necessarily delay the launch of the missing Sky channels as well. All they need is a signed contract.

As I said earlier, I have no idea what is going on in the background, but this is all taking longer than I expected. Having said that, it took ages to launch Netflix from when we received the heads up that it was coming, but that did involve technological issues as well.

I have also been wondering whether Sky wanted to milk Now TV for a few months before releasing these channels. Let's hope we get some positive news soon. It's not a case of if, but when now.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

I would say much of what's in the media is pure speculation , wasn't it the media who claimed Al Jazeera Sports would nab some of the UK premier league rights , wasn't Ronaldo on his way back to Old Trafford you catch my drift.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

For most people on here, the insiders are to be believed without question!

---------- Post added at 13:51 ---------- Previous post was at 13:49 ----------

Agreed, but there's the media and the media. Broadcast Now, for example, are a respected media organisation and I have no reason to doubt their reports on this.

Had I read this in the Daily Express, I would not have given it the time of day! They were still going on about the Princess Diana conspiracy earlier this year, day after day! You have to pick and choose what you are prepared to believe.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

And there is the problem, many people here will believe any old bull spun to them by so called insiders... when it's no more trustworthy than hearing it from some random bloke down the pub.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

Yes, the rumours from the 'TV viewers' always made me laugh.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

I was a believer until some really big howlers last year. The ITV HD channels not launching in September 2012, after a couple of months of strong speculation, was the one that finally made me jump off the rumor mill. That incident made me really weary of what gets posted here. Sure some stuff turns out to be true however I'm always suspicious of potential channel launches if no source or proof is provided, or it's all done on a nudge nudge wink wink basis. That's why if I hear something directly from a Virgin or SKY employee regarding channels I'm more inclined to believe them, even if they are bending the truth or don't know all the facts. At least they are employed by the relative companies and are likely to have more knowledge than some of the random posters who turn up here.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

No-one really knows who'll be prepared to pay for what tbh. I have both Sky and Virgin with Netflix and i can honestly say i've never watched anything on Sky Atlantic. I will next month ofcourse when game of thrones returns but to me Sky Atlantic just doesn't live up to its hype. It's not a bad channel by all means.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

The thing I've noticed since joining SKY is SKY themselves are no longer hyping the channel up as such. It's mainly people who don't have access to the channel that seem to hold it in high regard.

I'm a fan of Boardwalk Empire, Game of Thrones, The Borgias, The Following and Hello Ladies. I'm looking forward to Fleming and True Detective whilst my wife is looking forward to Penny Dreadful.

I don't actually watch SKY Atlantic live. I tend to record everything so I can skip the adverts, or watch the programs via SKY catch up. I can say in all honesty I watch more programming from SKY Atlantic than I do from channels like ITV or SKY Living.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

There is no doubt Sky Atlantic will arrive and sooner then the doomsayers think but if you look on Amazon you can pick the some of the series DVD's at a very reasonable price.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Game-Thrones...season+1+and+2

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Borgias-Seas...ds=the+borgias

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

Den you have been saying this for over a year now ;)

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

Or for £4.99 per month get access to SKY Atlantic via NOW TV. Much cheaper than paying between £20 and £30 a time on boxsets.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

Well it appears you've picked and chosen a pup...

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

When is Atlantic coming guys...................:devsmoke::D:D

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

Think HBO shows will end up on virgin, just because with sky losing sport to BT. They can keep shareholders happy by selling their programs to virgin and maybe talk talk and BT.
Also sky pays 30 mil a year but with other companies looking to buy as well then sky may have to spend double that a year to keep it.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

You just reminded me of a show that i have on my list of shows to watch lol , penny dreadful any idea when that starts mate?
I find myself also just recording stuff or using the catch up service more than ever on both sky and vm. Might sound daft but i record the same programmes on vm and sky just incase one buggers up lol.

---------- Post added at 14:46 ---------- Previous post was at 14:45 ----------

limited content though mate from what i've read.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

I can't stand watching 'live' TV, too many adverts.

Not sure when Penny Dreadful starts, my wife is the one to speak about that :D

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

That would be because she is right. Sky Movies get them around 12 months before Netflix on SOME MOVIES. The ones you have mentioned, Netflix get them 12 months before Sky Movies. However saying "VPN" does not change anything as she is only going by the UK Netflix.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

The dates I remember are:

Sometime in October 2012

9th of December 2012

1st August 2013

Sometime in December 2013 along with SKY 1+1, SKY News HD, SKY Sports F1 HD, SKY Sports 3 HD, SKY Sports 4 HD, SKY Sports News HD, Channel 4+1 HD, MGM HD, Sony Movie Channel, News 18, Universal HD, Disney Channel HD and Disney XD HD.

Call me a doubting Thomas but am I the only one that see's a clear pattern here? :p:

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

The Fibre deal was with VM Business and probably not linked to VM Consumer though. The speculation that thay are talking more is probably due to the fact that Tom Mockridge was CEO of News Corp and is now CEO of VM.

There are actual discussions going on according to investment houses but not regarding SA its more around current deals and content on mobile devices I am led to believe. I too would like SA but this is what I have heard.

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Boxsets last for many years and they are your own to watch when you want to.

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Methinks you have been learning lessons from thy devoted master and defender of the faith.:D

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:shocked: :D

I've not signed up for a new deal with SKY yet. If Virgin come up with their own 50% off for 12 months deal in the next 2 weeks then I'd certainly consider it. It has happened a few times this year already:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10...rice-sale.html

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Vote now on you best channel launch of 2013!!!

SD or +1 Channels: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...launch-so.html

HD Channels: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...launch-so.html

Voting list closes on December 15th at 3pm.

Note to all - If the new BBC HD Channels launch on December 10th an extra poll for the HD Channels will launch with the winner of Round 2 of the HD Channel poll sometime on December 16th for an day.

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Oh dear the sands of time are running out for you my good friend.:D;)

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An HBO subscription in the US is typically an extra $15-$20 on your cable bill for 7 (advert-free) channels plus the HBO-Go on-demand streaming service. They have long-established deals with cable companies and I can't see them making anywhere near as much by getting in with Netflix.

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They get my vote , we also enjoy The Tunnel and Blue Bloods.
Totally agree and I've said the same many times , HBO will stick with the traditional pay TV operators in my opinion.

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That's my feeling too. If SKY offer them £150 million, or more, for another 5 year deal I think HBO will take it. Of course you never know, BT might swoop in for the content to start their own version of SKY Atlantic. The SKY basic channels aren't on BT so BT might get innovative in regards to their entertainment portfolio.

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it's not wish people would realise that

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They did say "every movie" though lol. But full credit to them when i asked about skys broadband they did the check and asked what i was getting with virgin , i told them 60mbs. They then said to me "keep it at the moment you'll only get 5mb with us." i have to admit i did appreciate their honesty on that.

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It's going to be very interesting to see what happens.

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OLD BOY may not have any real evidence of SA coming, but I think he gets the award for phrase of the day :D

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I regard media reports as pure speculation. I believe company statements, stating something has actually happened. The reason there is so much rubbish in the media is that they have pages or air time to fill.

I am grateful to everyone who knows insiders and who take the time to inform us on here, I generally thank them when I have read it. I take all info with a pinch of salt though.

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Yes, but we can all predict what has actually happened...!

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Pure fiction - I have queried this report from September and no one including the original poster who notified of this report offered a reply. I have logged in to Broadcast and cannot find any trace of the report from that month, in fact the last one was in June or July. I canonly presume the original poster made it up to glorify themself.

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This is the earlier one - haven't found the later one yet but I'm sure I've read it. I'll keep looking. http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/b...057814.article

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And yet you continually stated your own info was true and based on solid foundations. People constantly challenged you because you appeared to be perpetuating a rumour/speculating, based on insider info from other posters and a couple of media reports.

It now turns out you had no solid info and just spread another rumour based on insider info. The insider may well think they were told correct info, and passed said info on in good faith, but it was still a rumour to start off with.

Ironic really.

FYI, I have no problem with anyone posting info from insiders they may or may not know. I am happy to read the info. Whether I believe it or not is another matter.

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Clearly you decided not to highlight the part where I said "I believe company statements"

If a company makes a statement about something that has actually launched, what makes you think they/anyone are predicting anything?

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Harry, I think that basing posts on media reports is far better than posting garbage from 'Virgin Media insiders', most of whom are either fictional or planting false stories. Why do you believe that someone taking a view on media reports is perpetuating rumours?? A media report of this nature is not a rumour.

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Harry, I really think you've lost your sense of humour. Read your post and my reply again. Maybe you'll see the funny side next time around. ;)

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l love Harry as he cannot resist the temptation of this thread.:waving:

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I love his body. Is that really him in the picture?

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The market is changing quickly Chad and Sky will have to adapt quickly to keep at bay increasingly large and nimble opponents who are increasingly parking their tanks on most of Sky's lawns.

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:waving::Yes::(

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Whoooosh, i was having a laugh, lighten up bud........:p:

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LOL, I can see the humour in this post. I had to spend ages convincing the missus to let me use her photo though, but she finally gave in.....:erm::)

Gonna draw a line under the previous posts though, I have nothing else to say other than I treat media reports as speculation, I appreciate you may choose to think otherwise.

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They may have the tanks Den but unfortunatly they do not have the money (or are unwilling to spend it!) on the ammunition for these tanks,until they do Virgin Media Customers will have to make do with what they have.....:D

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Here is the full article:

"The prospect of Sky Atlantic becoming available to Virgin Media’s 3.8 million TV subscribers has moved closer after it emerged that talks between the two companies have reopened.

The channel had a high-profile launch in February 2011, but the UK’s two biggest pay-TV operators never really got close to agreeing a cable carriage deal at the time.

Sources have indicated that the operators have now reopened negotiations and, although a deal is not imminent, they are significantly closer to agreeing a price for Sky Atlantic than they were two years ago.

One source said a “degree of realism” had entered the talks.

Sky Atlantic launched with a number of flagship series from US premium broadcaster HBO, including Boardwalk Empire and The Sopranos, after BSkyB struck an output deal with the Time Warner-owned network.

It was designed as an exclusive home for premium content, including shows such as AMC’s Mad Men and Showtime’s House Of Lies, and was conceived as a way to attract and hold on to subscribers who were less interested in sport and movie content.

Dramas The Following and Game Of Thrones now regularly deliver consolidated audiences of more than 1 million.

The channel had a reach of around 11.1 million viewers in the first three months of 2013, according to Barb research, a year-on-year increase of 1.3 million.

This puts it level with channels such as Fox and Discovery.

It is thought that Sky could be persuaded that an additional 4 million potential viewers for Sky Atlantic would be a positive move, boosting ratings for its Mary Beard to explore life of Caligula for BBC2 content, which is often accused of rating poorly relative to its quality.

Carriage negotiations for Sky’s other channels on Virgin Media are due to be renewed this month, at which time a deal for Sky Atlantic is likely to be discussed.

Virgin Media could also be looking to replace ESPN, which will close this summer, in its premium XL package.

It will want to ensure it keeps churn low for its top bundle and has not yet struck a deal for BT’s forthcoming sport channels.

A move for a high-profile channel such as Sky Atlantic could help it retain customers.

The cable operator’s outgoing chief executive Neil Berkett has previously said that Sky had initially asked for an “unrealistic price for the product”."

There is a few things in the article that makes me question its accuracy. The lack of a genuine source being mentioned in the article, just vague references to a "source" or "sources". Secondly the use of some non specific statements and phrases like "it is thought that" or "a deal for Sky Atlantic is likely to be discussed". Finally the article does acknowledge that "a deal is not imminent" and whilst I can understand the point about opening the channel up to a potential 4 million viewers, the channel has been opened up to everyone in the UK with broadband by way of a NOW TV box.

Personally I think the article is more speculation than fact however others will see what they want to see.

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totally agree still not one bit of evidence it coming not one bit

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Is that not the June one Chad?

We're looking for the 'quoted' September one.

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Either way its not coming anytine soon.

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Oh I missed one of the supposed SKY Atlantic launch dates out, the 14th of September 2013:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35...-post1420.html

C'mon people, even Stevie Wonder can see what's happening here. It's all baloney.

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Lol probably more than that too.

I was told July 2014 a few months ago, so let's go for that one!!

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To be honest I really had a feeling the channel would launch sometime in the next few months. However since then a family friend who works for SKY in Livingston told me SKY Atlantic will be used to push the sales of NOW TV over Christmas and into 2014. In short SKY are not finished milking it just yet.

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I mentioned channel 4hd +1 based on this article http://recombu.com/digital/news/chan...es_M11991.html

other channels were given to me by sources so their dates were wrong so what? It doesn't mean the channels aren't coming. Admittadly i do have doubts about Sky Atlantic but i have no reason to doubt the other channels coming to vm or bt either.
The channels will come when they come as far as i'm aware only the bbchd ones are launching this month no others will launch until 2014. Ofcourse that could all still change your guess is as good as mine so stop pah pahing posts what people post , some of us do actually relay information we get from sources. Not our fault if the info was wrong is it?

Anyway Sky movies drama/romance has changed to Sky movies Christmas. So merry Christmas.

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It's coming February 30th 2014.

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We'll see just like i been told vm doesn't have Netflix by Sky :erm:

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When I called Virgin last December to cancel my contract due to the price increases I told the rep I was joining SKY. He then spent the next 5 minutes telling me all the things SKY couldn't offer rather than focusing on what Virgin could offer me to stay. He made a few mistakes along the way about the services from SKY, but I don't think he was lying to me. I think he thought he was telling me the truth probably based on limited knowledge or old information. SKY reps should stick to talking about SKY products and Virgin reps should stick to talking about Virgin products. As soon as they try to talk about each others products, they tend to get it wrong. Problem is people like to push them on rival products which forces them to make a comment.

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Both are as bad as each other mate tbf. When my contracts are up neither will be getting my money for tv , vm will for broadband but that's all i'll be keeping. For me personally Netflix , Hulu (with a vpn) and crackle suite me fine along with various tv network sites such as bbc , cw , fox etc.

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It shows as a source they may not be reliable, which in turn makes people doubt the information and future information provided by the source.

I was just highlighting that information from sources regarding the launch of SKY Atlantic, not necessarily your sources, have been wrong time and time and time and time and time and time again. If that doesn't deserve a pah pah I don't know what does.

Nothing personal but who knows what to believe on here these days. Too many things been exposed as hoaxes, lies and misinformation over the past year or so. I just like a little bit of proof before taking things on here seriously.

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Sounds good to me. At least we have something to agree on.

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i normally agree with most things you post :D it's like you said it shows sources can't always be relied on and people shouldn't take things posted in this thread as guaranteed to happen. This is why now if i post something from a source i'll put something like "sky 4 is rumoured to be launching in second quarter of 2013" lol.

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Media Boy,
Does this mean that BBC will be broadcasting local news (ie Midlands today) HD?

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No. Proposals for that will be sent to the BBC Trust in January.

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I don't think anyone blames posters when their information is wrong. I think that in the case of the SA rumours it was the absolute certainty of two posters in particular (we all know who they are) who absolutely would not entertain any doubts but flatly refused, over and over again to provide any provenance to their claims.

I seem to remember one responding to a simple request of something along the lines of 'why do you think that?' with the retort: 'I'm not going down that path...' as if requesting some kind of validation was in some way weird or abnormal. :rolleyes::D

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All this talk about 1 channel that doesn't do well with ratings! Anyone with a Samsung smart TV can use Unblock-us to access HBO Nordic. All HBO content including movies and other content from differnt studios in HD quality, advert free and only about £8 a month. I tried it last month but have decided to stick with Netflix for now. When using HBO Nordic it was apparent Sky Atlantic with its crap filler content is so overrated. If anyone's interested Currys have a Samsung smart TV on offer at £199, down from £350. Only 27" though but it does do 1080p.

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I tend to agree. SKY Atlantic only draws an average audience of about 600,000 per day which is 5.7% of SKY's TV customer base. If those viewing stats transferred over to Virgins TV customer base the channel would only draw between 200,000 to 250,000 viewers. Not worth Virgin pursuing unless they can get it for a knock down price, which we know SKY won't do.

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exactly VM wont pay over top and sky wont lower price it not coming people need to realise that

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Chad, I'm not bigging up SA here. I've never seen the channel, but I've seen a lot of its content (don't ask). But to me 5.7% of a platforms customer base in today's multi-channel environment seems very good. Are you able to provide similar figures for say, Sky 1 so we can compare?

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I'm shocked anyone expects high viewing figures its night time schedule with the likes of Boardwalk Empire , Banshee , Game of thrones , Ray Donovan etc are hardly family friendly shows and that's without factoring in the channels only on Sky and Now TV.

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and that way it will stay MM

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According to BARB, over the past 6 months SKY 1 draws on average 2.5 million daily viewers. SKY 1 however is on SKY, Virgin Media, Talk Talk, Smallworld Cable, Wight Fibre and UPC in Ireland.

SKY Living draws an average of 1.4 million. SKY Living is also available across most platforms.

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I suppose your right. It's not a family orientated channel, it's mainly for adults who want to enjoy high end drama. I must admit if I was 20 years younger, SKY Atlantic would probably never be on in my house. Too busy watching football, The Simpsons and trying to chase girls :D

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Ahh, many thanks. It's a pity we don't have comparable figures, but on the face of it, I'd say that 5.7% of viewers was pretty high, not record breaking, but a strong performer.

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Well, most of them are based on fact, although this depends on which part of the media you are following! I place more trust in the 'respectable' media than I do in 'tv viewers' and 'insiders'.

Basically, about 99% of posts on here are speculation anyway, so what makes this so different?

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But the media don't reveal their sources if the information is given in confidence.

As far as the other matters here are concerned, there was a later piece, I think I read it in the Daily or Sunday Telegraph, which was more positive. It was this article that led to my optimistic posts. The fact that Sky wanted VM to carry Sky Bravo and were even holding up its launch until the negotiations were over I saw as one positive sign.

In fact, it was a whole raft of information that, when put together, appeared to suggest an autumn launch, but with the possibility of drift due to Sky Bravo and Now TV. As I have said before, time will tell if this all comes about.

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Based on what evidence, Dave? At least I've quoted media sources, which are a lot more reliable than personal opinions and rumours.

This is just your personal opinion. I respect that, but I am a little surprised that you are quite so adamant, particularly as you have repeatedly said 'but I hope I'm wrong, I really do'.

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That's interesting. How were they able to get over Sky's exclusivity deal with HBO? Maybe VM should link into Google TV by way of an app!

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Blinkbox has had HBO content in the UK for the past 16 months:

http://www.screendaily.com/news/dist...045313.article

Blinkbox and Google TV have the pay to stream rights for the shows. Both charge £1.89 per episode. Pretty expensive. Google TV are charging £18.49 to stream the whole first season of Game of Thrones.

Re: Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6.
 

I see. Still, VM could add these shows to the on demand system on a PPV basis. It would be better than nothing until something else transpires.

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based on the fact of sky's actions OB sky do nothing cheap just look at the rip off price for sky sports on now tv ect the evidence is for all to see OB and sky have never lowered prices

also see square eyes post here

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=2644371100807363751&postID=217443 5365691156756

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I agree. It could get costly however if you get drawn into a show.

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It would if you watched them back to back, but if you watch one episode a week of Boardwalk Empire, that's about £7.56 per month. I could make savings from my current VM package to pay for that.

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This is the problem, and why you have been challenged so much; you were posting 'positive signs' and 'appeared to suggest' as if they were certainties and you said that Atlantic was definitely coming when you had nothing to substantiate that.

No one minds if you post an opinion that is based on 'positive signs'; it's asserting that it is more than that, that causes people to challenge you.

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But you can't prophesy the future simply by looking at the past, Dave. Things may stay the same for a long period, and suddenly there's a step change. The tectonic plates are moving and it's only a matter of time before the big change comes. You have not quoted any actual evidence for what you think may happen, only what's happened in the past.

This old world doesn't stay the same for long, and as time goes on, things seem to change more rapidly. The more ways there are to view the programmes on Sky Atlantic, the less likely it is that continuing to deny Virgin Media access makes any sense. They may as well make money out of it. That is what really motivates Sky.

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I remain pretty damn sure that it's coming, just as Dave is convinced that it's not! I think people are making too much of this issue. This is a speculative thread, after all. Nothing's that positive until it's confirmed, and it's confirmed when it arrives.