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theone2k10 19-08-2014 13:50

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Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 35722963)
about 7 odd quid for us then. thats a bargain. is it only via paypal or can you via a direct debit each month??

you have the network dont you mate? Are all the old ppvs included? how many raws and smackdowns from what year?? any wcw nitros? sorry for the questions haha

Every wwe,wcw,ecw ppv are included. There are no recent episodes of raw or Smackdown if i remember correctly the newest one is 2008 lol.
They are adding more episodes.
WCW Nitro and thunder are starting to be added now in with the monday night wars.
I pay by paypal there is only credit card or paypal options i'd imagine direct debit may be something they'll introduce in the future.
No need to apologise mate i'm more than happy to help if i can.

Mad Max 19-08-2014 14:22

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Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35722898)
Just got a HBOGo shared account, just had to do a trade with someone in USA their hbo for my netflix.

No offence, but I don't know how you can be arsed with all that hassle mate, looks to me as if you must be glued to your TV set most of the time :D :p:

theone2k10 19-08-2014 14:39

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35722979)
No offence, but I don't know how you can be arsed with all that hassle mate, looks to me as if you must be glued to your TV set most of the time :D :p:

It's no hassle at all and a lot cheaper method than subscribing to uk tv providers at the moment.
Appletv has the apps already installed it's just a simple case of someone activating them from their comcast/direct tv account for you.

OLD BOY 20-08-2014 17:10

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I just want it all on TiVo!

theone2k10 21-08-2014 13:09

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Nowtv have started to add itv encore content to it's on demand library, signalling that itv encore will soon be broadcasting live on nowtv apparantly. http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2000903

nashmills 24-08-2014 20:04

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Is anyone able to get Netflix in HD via their tivo box? I'm sure I used to get HD when it first started but the best I get now is 480 SD.

harry_hitch 24-08-2014 23:37

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Originally Posted by nashmills (Post 35723957)
Is anyone able to get Netflix in HD via their tivo box? I'm sure I used to get HD when it first started but the best I get now is 480 SD.

I think it depends whether the program is able to be streamed in HD. If it is able to be streamed in HD and it is not reaching HD then I think too many people will be watching Netflix and the network will be too busy for it to be able to stream in it HD.

Happy to be corrected by those more intelligent than meself.

vincerooney 25-08-2014 11:21

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Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35723985)
I think it depends whether the program is able to be streamed in HD. If it is able to be streamed in HD and it is not reaching HD then I think too many people will be watching Netflix and the network will be too busy for it to be able to stream in it HD.

Happy to be corrected by those more intelligent than meself.

Sounds about right pal. Isn't there an extra charge for HD as well? Its 5.99 for one box and SD and 6.99 for multi boxes and HD? or is that completely wrong??

spiderplant 25-08-2014 11:40

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Originally Posted by nashmills (Post 35723957)
Is anyone able to get Netflix in HD via their tivo box? I'm sure I used to get HD when it first started but the best I get now is 480 SD.

It's likely to be caused by network congestion in your area. There's an ongoing programme of work to alleviate these local issues.

Do you get HD if you try outside peak hours?

theone2k10 25-08-2014 11:48

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Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 35724010)
Sounds about right pal. Isn't there an extra charge for HD as well? Its 5.99 for one box and SD and 6.99 for multi boxes and HD? or is that completely wrong??

I think those are the new prices vince £5.99 for sd, £6.99 for 2 devices at once and HD and £8.99 for upto 4 devices at once and HD.
I might be wrong though as i'm on £5.99 for hd and 2 devices at once until 2016 due to already having a sub when the new prices came into effect.

howardmicks 25-08-2014 12:38

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Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35723985)
I think it depends whether the program is able to be streamed in HD. If it is able to be streamed in HD and it is not reaching HD then I think too many people will be watching Netflix and the network will be too busy for it to be able to stream in it HD.

Happy to be corrected by those more intelligent than meself.

I have actually stopped watching Netflix thru my TiVo due to this problem find I get hd all time thru my ps3

nashmills 25-08-2014 17:20

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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35724014)
It's likely to be caused by network congestion in your area. There's an ongoing programme of work to alleviate these local issues.

Do you get HD if you try outside peak hours?

I have tried it at different times and it's still the same.

I get a much better picture on my Apple TV but I would like to enjoy the extra quality that Dolby Digital Plus audio brings to the TiVo.

I have a Chromecast which gives me DD+ audio and HD picture but to use it I have to unplug the Apple TV which is used for other things.

I assume the internal 10Mb modem can't cope?

ozsat 25-08-2014 17:54

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Working fine here - after a minute the definition is to "1080 Super HD"

I would get your signal levels for TiVo checked.
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Originally Posted by nashmills (Post 35723957)
Is anyone able to get Netflix in HD via their tivo box? I'm sure I used to get HD when it first started but the best I get now is 480 SD.


OLD BOY 25-08-2014 17:58

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Originally Posted by nashmills (Post 35723957)
Is anyone able to get Netflix in HD via their tivo box? I'm sure I used to get HD when it first started but the best I get now is 480 SD.

Yes, I'm very pleased with the performance of Netflix on my TiVo. Much better than the BBC I-player, although touch wood, this has been better lately. If I were you, I'd tell Customer Services about this problem. They might just be able to sort it.

passingbat 25-08-2014 18:23

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Originally Posted by nashmills (Post 35724107)
. I get a much better picture on my Apple TV but I would like to enjoy the extra quality that Dolby Digital Plus audio brings to the TiVo.

Apple TV should give standard 5.1 DD. Personally, I would be surprised if you could tell any significant difference between that and DD+.

The main reason that streaming services use DD+ is that they can lower the bit rate to get the same audio quality as regular DD (and, also, 7.1 is possible with DD+).

It is possible that the servers that Netflix use to feed the Apple TV's is sending the regular DD at a higher bitrate than they send DD+ to for other devices, as Netflix produce about 99 different encodes for any given title to accommodate different devices and resolutions.

nashmills 25-08-2014 22:05

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35724128)
Apple TV should give standard 5.1 DD. Personally, I would be surprised if you could tell any significant difference between that and DD+.

The main reason that streaming services use DD+ is that they can lower the bit rate to get the same audio quality as regular DD (and, also, 7.1 is possible with DD+).

It is possible that the servers that Netflix use to feed the Apple TV's is sending the regular DD at a higher bitrate than they send DD+ to for other devices, as Netflix produce about 99 different encodes for any given title to accommodate different devices and resolutions.

It does appear to sound better but maybe it's just different.

zantarous 26-08-2014 19:40

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It sounds better, DD+ is a much more efficient codec for streaming then DD and the bit rate can be a lot higher.

passingbat 27-08-2014 01:20

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Originally Posted by zantarous (Post 35724422)
It sounds better, DD+ is a much more efficient codec for streaming then DD and the bit rate can be a lot higher.

But that isn't what happens in reality; I think you will find that Netflix have reduced the audio bitrate (can't find the source I read for that ATM). That is, they've used the efficiency of the DD+ codec to reduce file size rather than improve audio quality.

And, as I said, the stream that Netflix use to feed the Apple TV could use an equivalent quality regular DD stream to the streams sent to DD+ devices. So just because the Apple TV gets DD rather than DD+, it does not follow that it doesn't sound as good.

zantarous 27-08-2014 15:38

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Reducing file size doesn't necessarily mean that the quality has been redunced, flac reduces file size but is bit for bit copy of the original, MPEG4 produces file sizes that are smaller then MPEG2 but the quality is far superior. I don't know if they are reducing the file size but the DD+ mixes through my AV amp sound better then the normal DD ones.

passingbat 27-08-2014 19:55

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Originally Posted by zantarous (Post 35724635)
the DD+ mixes through my AV amp sound better then the normal DD ones.

Using the same AV amp and speakers, are you able to compare the same Netflix title via an Apple TV giving 5.1 DD and another similar Netflix device that outputs 5.1 DD+? That is the only way to properly compare.

it would be interesting to know the result, because given that Netflix feed the Apple TV different streams to those used on other Netflix DD+ capable devices, I can see no reason why Netflix can't enable the same sound quality. Otherwise, I imagine there would be a lot disgruntled Apple TV users if Netflix audio quality for them was inferior to other Netflix devices.

zantarous 28-08-2014 19:45

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I have a 360 set up so I can use different regions and the Tivo for UK Netflix. The 360 only outputs DD and 720p, the sound output through the Tivo sounds better. Do they actually feed different streams? DD+ is backward compatible with DD, so if your device can't play DD+ it just plays back the DD track?

passingbat 29-08-2014 00:17

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Originally Posted by zantarous (Post 35724939)
I have a 360 set up so I can use different regions and the Tivo for UK Netflix. The 360 only outputs DD and 720p, the sound output through the Tivo sounds better. Do they actually feed different streams? DD+ is backward compatible with DD, so if your device can't play DD+ it just plays back the DD track?

This is an interesting discussion on this, starting with this post

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/184-vi...l#post26870889

And this article
http://gigaom.com/2012/12/18/netflix-encoding/

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DD+ is backward compatible with DD, so if your device can't play DD+ it just plays back the DD track
I've read conflicting things on whether this happens in practice; The Dolby website, when I read it a couple of years ago, suggested it was. But I've read in various places, when I was researching this, that if your AV amp can't decode DD+. then feeding it to the amp may result in stereo.

It was a concern to me, as my bedroom AV amp (my old Yammy RX-V1500) can't decode DD+. Fortunately, my WDTV Live SMP sends regular DD via optical out, so not a problem. I have another WDTV Live SMP in the lounge which sends DD+ via HDMI to a Yammy RX-1900, which can decode it.

It can get a little confusing at times.

theone2k10 02-09-2014 16:53

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Nowtv now has chromecast support and has also added itv encore to it's entertainment pass package.
Source from DS.

muppetman11 03-09-2014 11:53

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Seems Netflix also wants Gotham info here

denphone 03-09-2014 12:35

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Its will be interesting to see how good this series is.

passingbat 03-09-2014 19:53

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Amazon Fire TV box launching in UK.

£79. But Prime members can get it for £49 if ordered by Monday. I've seen October reported as the ship date.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00KQEJBS...I3GYIW9BRSL6NV

Mr Smooth 03-09-2014 20:31

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35726310)
Amazon Fire TV box launching in UK.

£79. But Prime members can get it for £49 if ordered by Monday. I've seen October reported as the ship date.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00KQEJBS...I3GYIW9BRSL6NV

Even if you are are not a 'full' Prime member (ie Prime Instant) or not at all you can order the free Prime trial for 30 days and pre order it for £49 and then cancel if you want.

Mad Max 03-09-2014 20:55

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Originally Posted by Mr Smooth (Post 35726322)
Even if you are are not a 'full' Prime member (ie Prime Instant) or not at all you can order the free Prime trial for 30 days and pre order it for £49 and then cancel if you want.

You obviously need the little box to get the "Prime" service from Amazon, yes? So in other words you'd need to wait till October launch? If i'm missing something here please correct me, I'm pretty interested in this from Amazon, but have never looked into it before, I've used the free 30 day trial from Netflix, but obviously that was done through the Tivo, am I correct in saying that you cannot access Amazon's Prime in this way?

Thanks.

harry_hitch 03-09-2014 21:05

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35726328)
You obviously need the little box to get the "Prime" service from Amazon, yes? So in other words you'd need to wait till October launch? If i'm missing something here please correct me, I'm pretty interested in this from Amazon, but have never looked into it before, I've used the free 30 day trial from Netflix, but obviously that was done through the Tivo, am I correct in saying that you cannot access Amazon's Prime in this way?

Thanks.

afaik you can't get amazon via TIVO. When we can, I will seriously consider dumping the xl package (unless they bundle them all in together) in which case I will keep the lot!

passingbat 03-09-2014 21:06

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35726328)
You obviously need the little box to get the "Prime" service from Amazon, yes? So in other words you'd need to wait till October launch? If i'm missing something here please correct me, I'm pretty interested in this from Amazon, but have never looked into it before, I've used the free 30 day trial from Netflix, but obviously that was done through the Tivo, am I correct in saying that you cannot access Amazon's Prime in this way? Thanks.

Rumours have been numerous that Amazon Video will be added to Tivo, but they are purely rumours.

You can get Amazon video via a PC, some blueray Players, and I (think) some smart TVs. my old Sony 370 BR player gets it, but not with 5.1 audio.

Mr Smooth 03-09-2014 21:14

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35726328)
You obviously need the little box to get the "Prime" service from Amazon, yes? So in other words you'd need to wait till October launch? If i'm missing something here please correct me, I'm pretty interested in this from Amazon, but have never looked into it before, I've used the free 30 day trial from Netflix, but obviously that was done through the Tivo, am I correct in saying that you cannot access Amazon's Prime in this way?

Thanks.

Amazon Prime Instant (used to be Lovefilm) is the same as Netflix. You can use apps from Google, Apple, and also on some streaming players (Roku3), and also some Smart Tv's but its not as widespead as the Netflix app availability.

You can use it from browser as well (which again is the same as Netflix).

So no, you do not 'need' the box to access Prime.

The issue which actually gets resolved for me is that I want one box that does BOTH Netflix AND Amazon Prime Instant. I don't have a Smart TV, and although most things (Tivo, WD Live, etc) have Netflix they dont have the Amazon one. I have a WD TV Live which again has iplayer, Netflix and I can browse local video.

This box has everything I want, and for £49 its a bargain.

The slightly confusing thing is the difference between 'Prime' and 'Prime instant' subscription. Prime is a £79.99 per year subscription which includes Prime Instant and gives you free one day delivery. Prime Instant is a £5.99 a month subscription which just gives you the Streaming video service.

passingbat 03-09-2014 21:33

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Originally Posted by Mr Smooth (Post 35726338)
Amazon Prime Instant (used to be Lovefilm) is the same as Netflix. You can use apps from Google, Apple, and also on some streaming players (Roku3), and also some Smart Tv's but its not as widespead as the Netflix app availability. You can use it from browser as well (which again is the same as Netflix). So no, you do not 'need' the box to access Prime. The issue which actually gets resolved for me is that I want one box that does BOTH Netflix AND Amazon Prime Instant. I don't have a Smart TV, and although most things (Tivo, WD Live, etc) have Netflix they dont have the Amazon one. I have a WD TV Live which again has iplayer, Netflix and I can browse local video. This box has everything I want, and for £49 its a bargain. The slightly confusing thing is the difference between 'Prime' and 'Prime instant' subscription. Prime is a £79.99 per year subscription which includes Prime Instant and gives you free one day delivery. Prime Instant is a £5.99 a month subscription which just gives you the Streaming video service.

The only downside with regard to Netflix is if you use a smart DNS service; you can't change DNS settings within the Amazon fire TV itself and would need to change them in your router, which would therefore need to be a separate one and the VM Super hub set to modem mode.

johnathome 03-09-2014 22:34

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35726310)
Amazon Fire TV box launching in UK.

£79. But Prime members can get it for £49 if ordered by Monday. I've seen October reported as the ship date.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00KQEJBS...I3GYIW9BRSL6NV

As far as i can see there aren't any UK TV Catchup services on it? When i cancel VM i need something for that as the upstairs TV is a dumb one.

Not interested, yet.

Mad Max 03-09-2014 22:42

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Thanks for all the replies guys, much appreciated.

muppetman11 03-09-2014 22:47

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Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 35726357)
As far as i can see there aren't any UK TV Catchup services on it? When i cancel VM i need something for that as the upstairs TV is a dumb one.

Not interested, yet.

Roku has 4oD , Demand 5 , ITV Player , BBC IPlayer , Netflix , Now TV , YouTube the only major one missing sadly is Amazon Instant

Mr Smooth 03-09-2014 22:55

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35726361)
Roku has 4oD , Demand 5 , ITV Player , BBC IPlayer , Netflix , Now TV , YouTube the only major one missing sadly is Amazon Instant

If only it did, then I would have no need for the Fire TV, and I would have bought one a long time ago.

The WD Live was ideal for Local streaming, Iplayer, and Netflix, with the TIVO doing all the rest (and netflix). Latest firmware knackered the Local streaming after using iplayer which pretty much sealed its fate for me. So Fire TV here I come!

steveh 04-09-2014 08:32

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Surprised they didn't get iPlayer, ITV player or 4oD for the launch, especially as it's only really Android with some modifications. Would have thought a lot of UK consumers would rule it out without those.

OLD BOY 04-09-2014 12:45

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35726328)
You obviously need the little box to get the "Prime" service from Amazon, yes? So in other words you'd need to wait till October launch? If i'm missing something here please correct me, I'm pretty interested in this from Amazon, but have never looked into it before, I've used the free 30 day trial from Netflix, but obviously that was done through the Tivo, am I correct in saying that you cannot access Amazon's Prime in this way?

Thanks.

Amazon Instant is not yet available via the Tivo although Amazon has been invited to enable the service by this means.

I have not seen any confirmation that Amazon are actively looking at this as an option, and I am now concerned that the arrival of their new box may dissuade them from going down this route.

Pity, I was looking forward to this. I don't want to use a range of alternative technologies to access more content, I want it all in one place!

Mad Max 04-09-2014 14:32

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35726418)
Amazon Instant is not yet available via the Tivo although Amazon has been invited to enable the service by this means.

I have not seen any confirmation that Amazon are actively looking at this as an option, and I am now concerned that the arrival of their new box may dissuade them from going down this route.

Pity, I was looking forward to this. I don't want to use a range of alternative technologies to access more content, I want it all in one place!


Agree with that 100%.

passingbat 04-09-2014 15:00

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35726418)
I don't want to use a range of alternative technologies to access more content, I want it all in one place!

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35726450)
Agree with that 100%.

As I think I may have jokingly said before, you need to talk VM into adding a DVD/Bluray player to the Tivo box :D

A bluray player is quite possibly the best option for just 'one extra box' alongside Tivo as I'm pretty sure you can get them with both Netflix and Amazon video. Many will allow you to change the DNS settings for use with Unblockus etc. They also have some catchup services (though those are covered by Tivo anyway). Some will also stream networked video via DLNA. And, of course, they will play any DVD/Bluray discs that you have.

The Amazon box is nice and small, but at full price, it is in the smart bluray price range which is capable of more.

muppetman11 04-09-2014 15:18

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You could also add the game consoles into that category granted they are more expensive but if your a gamer also they'll do all the things you mention.

I wouldn't hold my breath for a DVR which gives you access to all the streaming services , I've read whispers that YouView are in talks with the likes of Netflix and Amazon they already have access to all terrestrial catch up and Now TV movies (SD only at moment) however I can't see this happening overnight.

passingbat 04-09-2014 15:32

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35726457)
You could also add the game consoles into that category granted they are more expensive but if your a gamer also they'll do all the things you mention..

You're right MM.

I tend to not think of those because I don't use a games console and for someone who doesn't, the prices of such things are just not worth it when a sub £100 box will do everything less games.

Actually, games is one thing that the Amazon Fire TV does that a BR player likely doesn't. Though not being a gamer, I'm not sure how they rate.

pengedragon 04-09-2014 16:45

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very happy with my ps3 under the tivo giving me netflix us, amazon prime, now tv and nba tv :)

steveh 04-09-2014 17:36

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Given that the forthcoming TiVo software release changes things a lot with the move away from Flash / Air to Haxe it wouldn't be worth it to release new apps right now so maybe there are new ones ahead. There is still apparently support for Flash but for more complex apps (e.g. non games) i assume it doesn't make sense to use it anymore.

Can't remember if this has been shared before here, but this is the developer presentation on the new TiVo software https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8Bp...ature=youtu.be. Includes running a cloud DVR version of the TiVo software on an Amazon Fire TV box.

Amazon have made it clear that they're after the cable companies and the main goals for the box of better search, greater openness and good performance were all a reaction to the weaknesses of current STBs. Reviews seem to suggest it hasn't quite got things right on the search and navigation yet though.

Mad Max 04-09-2014 22:28

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To be honest, as Old Boy says, all we want is to be able to access all the Netflix, Amazon, etc etc offers, through the Tivo, or whatever Virgin has available, people want it simple, they don't want to be adding all sorts of different boxes cluttering up their living room just so they can access some decent TV shows.

passingbat 04-09-2014 23:06

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35726560)
To be honest, as Old Boy says, all we want is to be able to access all the Netflix, Amazon, etc etc offers, through the Tivo, or whatever Virgin has available, people want it simple, they don't want to be adding all sorts of different boxes cluttering up their living room just so they can access some decent TV shows.

But if/until Amazon is added to Tivo, most people have a DVD player, so replacing that with a smart bluray player that does streaming video services, gives you all that you want and does not increase you current box count,

Mad Max 04-09-2014 23:21

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35726565)
But if/until Amazon is added to Tivo, most people have a DVD player, so replacing that with a smart bluray player that does streaming video services, gives you all that you want and does not increase you current box count,


Ok I see what you are saying, but isn't it the case that the blu-ray player needs to be connected to the internet? I have a blu-ray player which sits neatly just below my TV on a nice TV shelf, so how do I go about accessing the Netflix/Amazon services through the blu-ray player?

passingbat 05-09-2014 00:12

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35726568)
Ok I see what you are saying, but isn't it the case that the blu-ray player needs to be connected to the internet? I have a blu-ray player which sits neatly just below my TV on a nice TV shelf, so how do I go about accessing the Netflix/Amazon services through the blu-ray player?

Many smart bluray players are wifi enabled.

harry_hitch 05-09-2014 09:24

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35726568)
Ok I see what you are saying, but isn't it the case that the blu-ray player needs to be connected to the internet? I have a blu-ray player which sits neatly just below my TV on a nice TV shelf, so how do I go about accessing the Netflix/Amazon services through the blu-ray player?

Whilst my bluray came out before the smart bluray players, so I cant access any VOD content, but it is connected to the web via a ethernet cable into the superhub thingy so I can access all the BD Live stuff.

Mad Max 05-09-2014 11:03

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Thanks for the replies guys.

OLD BOY 05-09-2014 12:17

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35726456)
As I think I may have jokingly said before, you need to talk VM into adding a DVD/Bluray player to the Tivo box :D

A bluray player is quite possibly the best option for just 'one extra box' alongside Tivo as I'm pretty sure you can get them with both Netflix and Amazon video. Many will allow you to change the DNS settings for use with Unblockus etc. They also have some catchup services (though those are covered by Tivo anyway). Some will also stream networked video via DLNA. And, of course, they will play any DVD/Bluray discs that you have.

The Amazon box is nice and small, but at full price, it is in the smart bluray price range which is capable of more.

Thank you, passingbat, that is very helpful. I intend to replace my existing DVD Player/Recorder soon, so perhaps this is an option worth considering.

Dash: CF noob 05-09-2014 13:03

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Why not just get an XBMC box and be done with?

muppetman11 10-09-2014 16:05

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Free month Now TV entertainment pass today , info from Dash: CF noob

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35727842-post84.html

theone2k10 10-09-2014 17:44

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35727959)
Free month Now TV entertainment pass today , info from Dash: CF noob

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35727842-post84.html

Can't be used if you already have a voucher applied as i just discovered lol.

OLD BOY 11-09-2014 12:29

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Originally Posted by Dash: CF noob (Post 35726681)
Why not just get an XBMC box and be done with?

That looks a bit technical for me! I want to keep things simple so that even my wife can use it! Sorry, dear :erm:

muppetman11 11-09-2014 15:06

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Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35727985)
Can't be used if you already have a voucher applied as i just discovered lol.

It seems Now TV is now being advertised as the Starter Bundle including the Entertainment Pass bundled with Sky Broadband for £12.50 + line rental at £15.40.

http://www.sky.com/shop/offers/now-tv/

theone2k10 11-09-2014 15:08

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35728179)
It seems Now TV is now being advertised as the Starter Bundle including the Entertainment Pass bundled with Sky Broadband for £12.50 + line rental at £15.40.

http://www.sky.com/shop/offers/now-tv/

I noticed that in a leaflet they posted out, personally i think it is a pretty good idea, you'll get people saying "well the pass is only £4.99 anyway" but i believe the pack Sky are offering includes their broadband so it balances itself out in a way.

podmac 16-09-2014 09:23

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im a long time netflix user. rather than any free trial will i just be able to simply log in to my account on the tivo?

pengedragon 16-09-2014 09:37

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Yes, although if you have any vouchers etc you can apply them to your account

theone2k10 17-09-2014 11:23

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9th post down seems to suggest that uk will be able to get WWE Network without the need of having Sky or vm etc.

http://www.wrestlingforum.com/wwe-ne...l#post39360130

Dash: CF noob 17-09-2014 12:34

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Roku 3 HD currently £69.99 till midnight on Amazon.

andy_m 17-09-2014 20:40

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Those of you using smart dns and bein sport or similar - I take it they have multi-screen Champions League?

love Virgin2013 18-09-2014 02:50

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I took up the free Netflix offer for 6 months many months ago but for some reason i am still getting it free.

i was one of the 1st to take it up but cant remember when the offer 1st started but i am sure it is well over 6 months ago.

so is this a fault at VM end?

the same thing happened with the free Spotify offer when that was on offer.

RobboEdin 18-09-2014 09:28

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..and you have checked that you're not being charged?

gizuk 18-09-2014 10:25

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Originally Posted by love Virgin2013 (Post 35729685)
I took up the free Netflix offer for 6 months many months ago but for some reason i am still getting it free.

i was one of the 1st to take it up but cant remember when the offer 1st started but i am sure it is well over 6 months ago.

so is this a fault at VM end?

the same thing happened with the free Spotify offer when that was on offer.

And you do know that it won't be included in your VM bill?

BenMcr 18-09-2014 10:28

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Netflix bills directly - it wouldn't be added to the VM account

love Virgin2013 19-09-2014 04:10

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Originally Posted by gizuk (Post 35729721)
And you do know that it won't be included in your VM bill?

Yes i know it wont but have checked on my Netflix account and it just says im on a special offer with a monthly cost of £0.00.

howardmicks 19-09-2014 07:03

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Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35729441)
9th post down seems to suggest that uk will be able to get WWE Network without the need of having Sky or vm etc.

http://www.wrestlingforum.com/wwe-ne...l#post39360130

Allways was the wwe network Is completely run by wwe,the deal with sky changes as from Sunday nights ppv to the new deal.all ppv's are box office ppv from them if you wish to watch from Sky or vm ;)

muppetman11 19-09-2014 10:47

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It seems Netflix is being put under pressure to block VPN access.

howardmicks 19-09-2014 12:18

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35730094)
It seems Netflix is being put under pressure to block VPN access.

Bleedin hope not,mine will be getting canx if it does

johnathome 19-09-2014 17:46

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35730094)
It seems Netflix is being put under pressure to block VPN access.

That's being driven by a 3rd rate streaming company in Australia. It seems a few hundred thousand Aussies are subscribing to Netflix instead of their overpriced offering.

They wouldn't be able to block it through VPN, the only way they could do it is the same way that Amazon does it with their Prime streaming service.

theone2k10 19-09-2014 19:23

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Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 35730213)
That's being driven by a 3rd rate streaming company in Australia. It seems a few hundred thousand Aussies are subscribing to Netflix instead of their overpriced offering.

They wouldn't be able to block it through VPN, the only way they could do it is the same way that Amazon does it with their Prime streaming service.

Even Amazon prime usa is easy to get in uk.
Hulu tried it and within a few hours there was a workaround.

johnathome 19-09-2014 23:06

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Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35730235)
Even Amazon prime usa is easy to get in uk.
Hulu tried it and within a few hours there was a workaround.

Don't you need a US billing address?

harry_hitch 19-09-2014 23:52

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35730094)
It seems Netflix is being put under pressure to block VPN access.

Can't say it would bother me. From the limited amount I know (and care to know) I imagine they would lose a lot of customers who are happy to pay for service, even if the means of watching the shows breaks the terms license agreements. (I am not judging, each to their own and all that.) Can't see them knocking a pretty large amount of income from all over the world on the head.

Will be interesting to see what would happen if they did though.

theone2k10 20-09-2014 00:13

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Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 35730298)
Don't you need a US billing address?

Kind of just use your login to log in to amazon.com you'll be offered a free 30 day prime trial take it it'll ask to confirm your card and zipcode for this say if your postcode was something like dy100xp you'd use the new york zip code of 10001 and so on. The zipcode you need will be the numbers in your postcode basically, then it will accept your card and you can start watching straight away.
That's how i did it anyway.

harry_hitch 22-09-2014 11:36

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Not sure if this article will interest anyone, I found that it did not really go to into enough detail regarding the headline, but the headline is an interesting proposition none the less. Unless they offer all the extras you get from dvds/blurays, I will stick mainly to blurays.

http://www.empireonline.com/features...aming-services

johnathome 22-09-2014 15:35

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Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35730660)
Not sure if this article will interest anyone, I found that it did not really go to into enough detail regarding the headline, but the headline is an interesting proposition none the less. Unless they offer all the extras you get from dvds/blurays, I will stick mainly to blurays.

http://www.empireonline.com/features...aming-services

I'd imagine if subscribers lost the ability to use a VPN then the people currently using it would collapse by quite a few million.

But 'binge watching' for me is the way to go. i did 12 eps of 24 on the trot the other day. it just seems so old fashioned to wait a week between each episode, and annoying.

zantarous 22-09-2014 19:21

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Remember this request is coming from a 3rd party supplier not the content owners. The way Netflix bosses seem to act in public makes me think they would be more then capable of telling this VoD supplier where to go.

Quickest solution would be is set up a service in Australia but I hear it is very hard to do anything down there with how monopolistic it is there with video and TV rights.

passingbat 22-09-2014 19:52

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Originally Posted by zantarous (Post 35730727)
Quickest solution would be is set up a service in Australia but I hear it is very hard to do anything down there with how monopolistic it is there with video and TV rights.

The rumors are that Netflix will launch in Australia next year.

http://www.zdnet.com/au/village-road...ia-7000030954/

muppetman11 23-09-2014 19:09

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PlayStation TV to launch November 14th in UK

theone2k10 25-09-2014 11:00

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Taken from wrestling talk website full credit to them.

According to Apple TV the WWE Network with a 6 month commitment will cost £39. 99 when it launches October 1st working out at £6. 66 and the pricing should stay the same across all platforms like your PS4 and XB1.

https://appsto.re/gb/pG84G.i

denphone 25-09-2014 11:38

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Its a total waste as we all know WWE is a total fix at the end of the day.

muppetman11 25-09-2014 11:49

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35731058)
Its a total waste as we all know WWE is a total fix at the end of the day.

Agreed Den they'd have to pay me £39.99 to watch it.:D

harry_hitch 25-09-2014 13:54

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35731058)
Its a total waste as we all know WWE is a total fix at the end of the day.

It is fixed Den, but if people enjoy it, surely it is up them. It's a form of entertainment people choose to watch.

It's cheaper than Sky Movies package, and we all know that the good guy is going save the day and most likely get the girl in movies.

denphone 25-09-2014 14:10

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Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35731078)
It is fixed Den, but if people enjoy it, surely it is up them. It's a form of entertainment people choose to watch.

It's cheaper than Sky Movies package, and we all know that the good guy is going save the day and most likely get the girl in movies.

l am sure many do enjoy it Harry and its peoples own personal choice but its certainly not for me as l prefer to spend our money on something with more substance.:)

theone2k10 25-09-2014 14:22

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35731058)
Its a total waste as we all know WWE is a total fix at the end of the day.

Ofcourse it's fixed but the way the product has been going lately i won't be renewing my sub anyway, i only use it to watch the old attitude era stuff and historic events such as the first wrestlemania.
Everyone has their own preference in entertainment if we all had the same it'd be a boring existance.

Mad Max 25-09-2014 15:33

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working out at £6. 66
........:devsmoke:

OLD BOY 26-09-2014 12:33

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35731058)
Its a total waste as we all know WWE is a total fix at the end of the day.

Someone told me the other day that '24' was just a story and everyone knew what was going to happen before it was filmed.

I just don't believe it. :erm:;):D

andy_m 26-09-2014 12:59

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35731237)
Someone told me the other day that '24' was just a story and everyone knew what was going to happen before it was filmed.

I just don't believe it. :erm:;):D

Do you really think this is the same thing? Sport fans pay Sky a fortune for Sky Sports - it's genuinely disgusting that some of this money is spent on scripted entertainment. I'm not saying it doesn't have its place - its popularity is clear and for that reason alone I've stayed out of the discussion about it on here so far, but equating it with a fictional drama series really really misses the point imo.

theone2k10 26-09-2014 13:34

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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35731243)
Do you really think this is the same thing? Sport fans pay Sky a fortune for Sky Sports - it's genuinely disgusting that some of this money is spent on scripted entertainment. I'm not saying it doesn't have its place - its popularity is clear and for that reason alone I've stayed out of the discussion about it on here so far, but equating it with a fictional drama series really really misses the point imo.

Why shouldn't fans of WWE get to watch the product? They pay their fair share for Skysports.
I think it's disgusting that license fee is being spent on crap like strictly come dancing but there are people that enjoy watching it so be it.

andy_m 26-09-2014 14:47

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Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35731249)
Why shouldn't fans of WWE get to watch the product? They pay their fair share for Skysports.
I think it's disgusting that license fee is being spent on crap like strictly come dancing but there are people that enjoy watching it so be it.

I'm not saying they can't watch the product - they have every right to do so. But it's scripted entertainment, not sport. It can't be sport if there is no competitive element, and the competitive element in this instance is removed by it being scripted. So it has no place taking money from sports subscribers as far as I'm concerned. More to the point, WWE fans shouldn't have to pay a sports subscription to watch it! Put it on an entertainment channel and be honest about what it is.

I also have issues with the licence fee and the BBC in general.

passingbat 26-09-2014 14:55

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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35731260)
I also have issues with the licence fee and the BBC in general.

But no problem with the fact that when you buy certain products, you're paying more than you need to because part of the cost is funding ITV Shows? ;)

theone2k10 26-09-2014 14:55

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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35731260)
I'm not saying they can't watch the product - they have every right to do so. But it's scripted entertainment, not sport. It can't be sport if there is no competitive element, and the competitive element in this instance is removed by it being scripted. So it has no place taking money from sports subscribers as far as I'm concerned. More to the point, WWE fans shouldn't have to pay a sports subscription to watch it! Put it on an entertainment channel and be honest about what it is.

I also have issues with the licence fee and the BBC in general.

It's called sports entertainment i do agree with you however that it would be better placed on channels such as Sky1.
However it is most likely Skys doing that it is on Skysports, look at the US for example RAW is on the USA network which is a entertainment channel and Smackdown is on SYFY.

Stop It 26-09-2014 15:46

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Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35731263)
It's called sports entertainment i do agree with you however that it would be better placed on channels such as Sky1. However it is most likely Skys doing that it is on Skysports, look at the US for example RAW is on the USA network which is a entertainment channel and Smackdown is on SYFY.

Exactly this.

Long ago, WWF (As it was then) was mainly shown on Sky One, but over time moved towards Sky Sports, with Sky One taking the 2nd tier stuff mainly.

Of course it's a fix, all pro wrestling is, but it's also fun and while I no longer watch it, I have fond memories of the likes of the Undertaker & Co.

At the end of the day Sky put the "top tier" Raw/Smackdown on Sky Sports to drive people towards the premium channels to gain more revenue, not the other way around, so complaining about it being on Sky Sports is counter intuitive. I bet if WWE wasn't on Sky Sports then the revenue lost would be greater than what they pay for the rights so would end up with Sky having a lower budget for other sports.

Still, the WWE having their own streaming solution may jeopardise this, which would show that wrestling fans will pay a premium for the content they want and I'm sure the UK WWE Network will be quite successful.

muppetman11 26-09-2014 16:02

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YouView BBC connected red button and Netflix ?

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It is understood YouView’s next new features will be the addition within weeks of support for Netflix, the film and television subscription service, and for the BBC interactive Red Button. It had been hoped that the extra BBC services would be in place in time for this summer’s big events, such as the World Cup and Glastonbury, but the project hit delays.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...the-cloud.html

andy_m 26-09-2014 17:04

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35731262)
But no problem with the fact that when you buy certain products, you're paying more than you need to because part of the cost is funding ITV Shows? ;)

Go on, show me where I've said that.

ozsat 26-09-2014 17:27

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If yout watch WWE then is no pretence that what you are watching is sport.

Their documentaries have made it clear that the title win can be determined a year in advance and story lines are produced with that in mind.

It is scripted storylines - just like Coronation Street / EastEnders - and 90% of all tv.

If you want to talk about 'fixing' then football, cricket and horse racing spings to mind - so of those events pretend to be undetermind in advance!

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35731058)
Its a total waste as we all know WWE is a total fix at the end of the day.


Mad Max 26-09-2014 17:30

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If you want to talk about 'fixing' then football, cricket and horse racing spings to mind!
I don't think that you can judge the above sports against WWE imo.

ozsat 26-09-2014 17:35

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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35731260)
I'm not saying they can't watch the product - they have every right to do so. But it's scripted entertainment, not sport. It can't be sport if there is no competitive element, and the competitive element in this instance is removed by it being scripted. So it has no place taking money from sports subscribers as far as I'm concerned. More to the point, WWE fans shouldn't have to pay a sports subscription to watch it! Put it on an entertainment channel and be honest about what it is.

I also have issues with the licence fee and the BBC in general.

Sky put it on Sports channels.

In the US it is NOT on sports channels - SyFy and USA Network show them.

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35731293)
I don't think that you can judge the above sports against WWE imo.

You said it was fixed - that implies it pretends to be real.

If you watch it you will see it makes it clear it is a show.

Sky confuse things by putting it on Sky Sports - which I expect it does as it can charge a premium for it.

passingbat 26-09-2014 18:01

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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35731289)
Go on, show me where I've said that.

As far as I know you haven't.

But your post seemed to suggest that you are against being forced to pay the licence fee to fund BBC content, but didn't mention ITV, which is an equally forced way; just not as directly obvious. I just questioned why you didn't mention ITV.


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