re: Operation Yewtree
 

Hopefully, she may learn to watch her utterances...

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Sadly I would imagine a significant number of the victims will be attention seekers or money grabbers which will only muddy the waters and take investigation time away from the real victims. :(

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Tend to agree. The man hours being devoted to this must be huge.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Two men have been arrested on suspicion of sexual offences as part of the police investigation into abuse by Jimmy Savile.

http://news.sky.com/story/1032569/tw...le-abuse-probe

I am shocked and wondering how many more are involved ?

re: Operation Yewtree
 

If it gets those who have committed a crime, that is good.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

It's always a good thing if people who've commited crimes get caught. However, somewhere along the line, a sensible judgement has to be made about what level of resources is appropriate and whether the manpower available for other, equally important but less newsworthy, criminal investigations is being compromised. I'm glad I don't have to make that judgement.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Update to my earlier post

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20889817

re: Operation Yewtree
 

It would appear that based on the above and other unconnected arrests made that a lot of potential victims are coming forward as the fear of their allegations being ridiculed and discounted is diminished

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Might save the police a bit of time :)

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Whilst I am keen to ensure that allinvolved are brought to justice, do we really need a running commentary when someone is arrested?

Invariably the names of those arrested leak out despite the fact that they could be innocent.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

As Lord McAlpine can sadly testify. It's right to pursue justice but that process shouldn't involve ruining the lives or careers of innocent people caught up in it.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

One of those arrested today is Jim Davidson....

Sky News

re: Operation Yewtree
 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ja...d-jimmy-savile

---------- Post added at 22:43 ---------- Previous post was at 22:25 ----------

Jim is vigorously denying the claims. http://www.channel4.com/news/jim-dav...s-abuse-claims

re: Operation Yewtree
 

I am 100% convinced that the leveson inquiry* should have recommended that any suspect arrested for sex offences should not be named until charged and that should be law .I know it would be hard to keep it quiet but stopping the media( including Twitter/facebook accounts) from naming people and wording it in such a way as to make the suspect appear guilty before they have even been charged must be done imo

*can't remember if it was recommended

re: Operation Yewtree
 

It is getting ridiculous the number of times that when reporting such arrests that JS is mentioned and a picture of him is even included, when the allegations have nothing to do with JS.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Agreed ,that is one thing i have noticed and in actual fact there have been very few arrests made that have a direct link to JS most have been unconnected

re: Operation Yewtree
 

This scenario has been a common factor in rape cases for years, If a women makes a complaint of rape her name is keep secret, however the mans name especially if he is a celebrity is nearly always leaked by the press. Then if he is then found to be innocent the mud has already been thrown and will have stuck.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Surely arrested for fraud by claiming to be a comedian?

re: Operation Yewtree
 

How does this information get into the public domain?

Who tells the press what is going on?

Most importantly, WHY?

re: Operation Yewtree
 

How do you think £

Look what has happened in the past

re: Operation Yewtree
 

I am confused now. Saville was a nonce operation Yewtree I thought was an investigation into nonces but now it appears it is covering sexual assault of adults to. It seems strange to me that anyone including the Police are bundling different offences into the same operation

JD was not arrested as a possible nonce the accusers are in their 20s

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Pretty standard. The hacking enquiry covers all variants of information being obtained or disclosed improperly.

I'd imagine this started with Saville and has now become a generic historical enquiry into sexual offences by celebrities.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

I think we are at a stage now when women with axes to grind are perhaps coming out the woodwork. JD is and always was a slapper putting it about I can imagine how some tarts from years ago might have issues with him.(Not saying this is the case of course) Rape must be pretty much impossible to prove 20 years down the line ?

re: Operation Yewtree
 

That's the problem. A lot of people will make claims, especially against famous people, and it would be a brave or foolish cop to dismiss the claims in the current climate.

Rape claims are always difficult to prosecute, in most cases it's down to one word against another, which is why conviction rates are so low.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Men can't "put it about" with women, unless there are women "putting it about".

A mere accusation, especially with this Operation Yewtree thing, is treated as "proof".

re: Operation Yewtree
 

how is that correct? any man with the gift of the gab and the looks could be sleeping with as many women as he wants and each woman might be faithful to him.Same as any woman with a good cleavage and nice bottom could with a dozen men. It would not follow that JD being a womanizer only slept with slappers

re: Operation Yewtree
 

CLEAVAGES AND BOTTOMS!!!!Ahem,,,be carefull.:naughty:

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Predator Savile ‘groomed the nation’ police chief says
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...#ixzz2HfvVsDQI

Jimmy Savile abused children at 14 hospitals across six decades - report
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...dren-hospitals

Report reveals Jimmy Savile assaulted children as young as 10
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...uiry-published

Jimmy Savile report: key findings
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...ort-key-points

Jimmy Savile report as it happened
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20983527

---------- Post added at 13:48 ---------- Previous post was at 13:48 ----------

theres soo many links on google, sorry if ive missed any.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Caroline Robinson (Saviles great niece) says that back in the days when he abused her, people often turned a blind eye. Surprisingly, she maintained that it is still going on today.

I have had a meeting with our company legal team this morning about something totally unconnected with this subject.

After the meeting I had a coffee with the woman who deals with children/family/abuse issues.

She told me some tales that, quite frankly, shocked me and confirmed what Caroline Robinson said on This Morning.

It appears that, however much we all like to think that we would do something about paedophilia if we came across it, many people simply can't believe what they are seeing and/or just can't cope with it and block it out of their minds.

Maybe that's why Savile was allowed to get away with it for so long?

re: Operation Yewtree
 

CBeebies, or should that be CBoobies (no pun intended)

re: Operation Yewtree
 

It was a repeat from 2001....

re: Operation Yewtree
 

I think there's been a little too much synthetic outrage over this little slip-up. Saville was a national icon, references to him are all over our popular culture. Unless the production notes for that episode of Tweenies specifically stated that it included Max doing a Saville impression, there would be no reason for the channel controller or anyone else connected with the process to see the need to vet the episode first. After all, it was made 11 years ago and has been repeated endlessly since then.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

I was watching Top of the Pops the story of '78 last night on BBC4 and the time and trouble the producers must have gone through to make sure that JS wasn't in any of the clips must have been enormous .People need to realise that erasing someone from history who was an everyday face back then and appeared in all sorts of programs ,news items,posters,and radio shows isn't that easy

re: Operation Yewtree
 

I've recently seen Savile on several repeats of old TOTP episodes being shown on a cable channel. I must say it doesn't make easy viewing...

re: Operation Yewtree
 

That isn't saying much. i never found saville easy to look at :)

re: Operation Yewtree
 

True, but it's really quite difficult watching him at work knowing what he was really up to.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

And let's be honest it's hardly likely any of the little children watching would've known who jimmy saville was let alone what crimes he's committed

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Operation Yewtree: Man, 65, arrested in London.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21333623

re: Operation Yewtree
 

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Typical of the BBC, reward failure with a big fat paycheck funded by the TV tax. :mad:


Then you wonder why i hate the BBC

re: Operation Yewtree
 

It beggars belief doesn't it. Grrr...

Not typical of just the BBC sadly either.

Question:

What happened to Sir David Nicholson who presided over the Staffordshire hospitals debacle in which many hundreds of people died and suffered so unnecessarily?

Answer:

a) He's running a whelk stall badly.
b) He's unemployed and living in poverty in a Stoke bedsit.
c) He's Chief Executive of the NHS on £270k pa plus bonuses.

Well what do you think???!!!! :rolleyes:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...shamed-of.html

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Sorry your i feel your wrong, its exactly what i expect of an organisation who thinks it is outside the laws everyone else has to abide by and can spend its free tax money how it wants even if WRONG.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Did anyone really expect anything else ,this sort of "reward for failure" policy is prevalent in all public sector posts .When was the last time anyone saw a high up public sector manager sacked for failing to do their job and end up stacking shelves at Tesco

re: Operation Yewtree
 

big turn of events. i dont remember hearing of this first time round.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Why do you say public sector, as if private sector is different?

In private sector, the reward for failure is massive (look at the banks), and opportunities are there for them to go elsewhere (if they need it, given the millions they get, they don't need to ever work).

It would make more sense to say that the culture in all jobs, is that senior staff are compensated excessively, and lower level staff are treated less well (though rewards in private sector for failure is greater). Doesn't matter if it is public or private sector.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

september 20011 was the 1st time he was accused,CPS let him go that time.new broom in charge now.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Pollard's BBC Review Evidence To Be Released


The BBC is braced for the release of evidence gathered by the Pollard inquiry into how the corporation handled the Jimmy Savile sex abuse scandal.

Dam right they will be criticised, why do the BBC still think they are above the law.

They should be brought to book and dealt with swiftly. However there supporters will rally round and claim this is a one off and they should be given leeway AGAIN. :rolleyes:

http://news.sky.com/story/1055396/po...to-be-released

On the BBC website

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21543322


Why does this not surprise me one bit.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

I've just read through the beeb link and have come to the conclusion that there is not a conclusion .It mentioned that the decision not to pursue the Newsnight report was 'flawed' but we already new that ,so i'm none the wiser ,anyone else wiser ?

re: Operation Yewtree
 

What do you expect from ANY organisation that has a guaranteed income. The people can NOT vote with their feet. Perhaps a political party could add scrap the license fee to its next manifesto.
If UKIP did my guess is it would draw in more votes from, perhaps "the I do not vote brigade "

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Never going to happen as the NON biased BBC :rolleyes: would crucify any party who attempted it by using there news and programing to prevent them from getting elected.

The BBC are NOT as non biased as there rose tinted sun glass wearing supporters would like us to believe.

what will happen over this is they will rewrite history in there favour to ensure there are not punished.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

I agree fully - mores the pity

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Based on what? They've tended to cover news stories involving themselves quite well, the Hutton inquiry and the Saville incidents all got quite a lot of attention and critics were given ample time. Remember the Newsnight where they spent half the episode grilling senior BBC staff and bring on critics of the organisation?

re: Operation Yewtree
 

To maintain any shred of credibility they had to do that didn't they?

I'm far more interested in what the Beeb hides or buries than what they finally 'admit' to when they have little or no other choice.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

I would like to see the items they have removed from the documents and not published.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21546823

I don't believe a word he said. As for the tuf time GOOD its your own bloody fault, the BBC should be dragged into the real word screaming and they should be held to account, something i feel will NEVER happen.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

"for legal reasons" covers just about anything ,including stuff they have no answers for or don't like where it will go .The only bits we will get to read is the bits they have answers to

re: Operation Yewtree
 

We don't know how much of that grilling was pre known and planned. I don't trust the BBC, i don't like the BBC, WHY because they just hold there hand out and are given tax payers money even if they don't perform and even now after this will be given money on a plate. I have been in BBC sites in Manchester and they are highly specified and lavish compered with company offices where the companies have to prove themselves and EARN there money or they go bust. The BBC can never go bust no matter how badly they perform because they raid the tax purse every year and the management at the BBC are WELL aware of that.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

I want to know what Paxman had to say ,because i bet he didn't hold back and apparently that was blacked out

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Some of it could be highly libellous, at a guess. It's never going to see the light of day because BBC documents don't have the sort of legal privilege required for them to be exempt from a libel action.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

So? A lot of museums can't go bust either because their supported by money from the public. The free market isn't the solution to all our problems. I don't think the fact that other companies have to EARN their money assures quality and we can look at the quality of the programming from those other channels, or countries like France that lack a public broadcaster, to see that the profit motive doesn't led to quality.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

The problem is i could tell you how much money the BBC engineers are willing to waste however confidentiality prevents me. I was gobsmacked to say the least.

Anyway lets see how long the BBC news covers this latest story compered with the other news outlets ?

According to Sky news the BBC have made it very difficult to find anything in the report

And again they have highlighted the fact that

http://news.sky.com/story/1055396/sa...dence-released

What annoys me the most is that the BBC will get away with this because Mp's and Governments will not want to have the BBC knifing them in the back at the next Election.:mad:

re: Operation Yewtree
 

I have to say that the documents shown on the news were highly redacted which gives no confidence that the entire truth is being revealed.The BBC cannot afford not to be highly transparent about the whole issue as they are a public institution reliant on public funding.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Is that the sound of knees jerking?

re: Operation Yewtree
 

at the same time as barn doors being closed?

re: Operation Yewtree
 

https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas

^ all you need to know ^

just a few tweets...

re: Operation Yewtree
 

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Its the BBC they will get away with it.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

:Yikes:

People in fandom have been alluding to 'stories' about John Nathan-Turner for years, I never imagined that's what they were ...

re: Operation Yewtree
 

http://order-order.com/2013/03/29/ro...ation-yewtree/

Looks like Rolf's being looked at now

re: Operation Yewtree
 

I was talking about Rolf the other day to my niece. and showed her the 2 little boys video he did.

now I've got to tell her the bad news.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

better than having to explain the lyrics of Jake the Peg I suppose

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Well if Rolf turns out to be a nonce one of my fav childhood presenters I will be gutted

re: Operation Yewtree
 

I liked him too. he'd do all that puffing and panting and ask if you can guess what it was yet. and he'd ask if you wanted to play on his digidoo thing.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Why does it all seem so obvious when we finally hear these kinds of allegations?

re: Operation Yewtree
 

I know. it's as if they talked in code.
to be deciphered at a later date.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

The fact someone has been arrested for questioning does not make them guilty of anything.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Yup.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

I wrote a letter to the home secretary a couple of years ago about that. Never got any sort of reply

re: Operation Yewtree
 

It was probably stolen by illegal immigrants. :D

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Still living in fear my favourites will be the next ones arrested. Be a very sad day if the Chuckle Brothers are ever arrested.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

To me to you to me to you oh no

re: Operation Yewtree
 

the upshot of it all is that its all the old boy network. who knew who at cambridge university and nods and winks at various golf courses. and it was ever thus

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Erm, neither Rolf Harris or Jimmy Saville went to Cambridge (or Oxford), and I don't believe either of them played golf.....

re: Operation Yewtree
 

I've heard through the grapevine that a certain person - and I'm making no hints, suggestions or implications of who it is - had "inappropriate" moments with a fan a long time ago but a few years ago (and previous to Yewtree) wrote that person a letter expressing regret and shame for what what they did and offered unreserved apologies.

The victim supposedly allowed this person to believe that the letter was the end of the matter but when Yewtree kicked off they took it to the police who apparently looked at it as a confession-of-sorts.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

am not talking about them - am citing the people in authority who chose to turn blind eyes and cover the issues up

re: Operation Yewtree
 

But why would they cover up for those who hadn't gone to Oxbridge or played golf with them?

re: Operation Yewtree
 

I think it's all about 'reputation'. One of the reasons I think the Catholic Church has covered up so much of its abuse is to 'protect the reputation' as they probably feel the subsequent fall-out stemming from a worldwide loss of face outweighs the necessity to see the guilty parties brought to justice. Same with the BBC and probably a lot of other massive institutions.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Strewth!

Not really a world exclusive when pretty much everyone with a Facebook or twitter account has known for months by the amount of jokes and comments flying about.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

A mate works in the news department of a local radio station and has seen the details of some super injunctions of certain people and says there are a few more circulating...

re: Operation Yewtree
 

I stated before that the wobble board wielding weirdo was having his collar felt but my comments were largely derided

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Anybody else think it is unfair that people are named when they have simply been questioned and not even charged, yet alone convicted? Yes the alleged offences are serious. Yes by naming someone there is a probability that others may come forward. But, trial should be in court, not the media, and whatever we may say, mud sticks and once "outed" in public the stigma will remain, even if no further action is taken.

I'm not surprised therefore there are rumours of super-injunctions.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

I am confused - I have looked at this thread, and can't find any 'derision'...

Unless you count someone hoping that the due process of law is followed as 'being derided'?, such as Paul's post

re: Operation Yewtree
 

If there was any derision, was it possibly for the manner of your posting rather than its factual content?

re: Operation Yewtree
 

If what my mate says is correct there are a few more.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

As far as I'm concerned all parties both victims and abusers should have total anonymity until they appear in court.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

I can see that day coming fast, especially with all the muppets on facebook et al acting as judge jury & executioner on ppl whose names are released yet untried or unarrested etc etc

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Arrested is still not even charged. I agree with those who think suspects should be allowed anonymity until the court date or at the very least a charge has been made. Mud sticks if it was someone who is unlikely to have any security like a normal member of the public they would be subjected to all sorts of attacks even though they still may well be innocent

re: Operation Yewtree
 

I agree that both parties in any crime should be granted anonymity until their case is at least heard. As Tiz says, arrested is not the same as charged, or convicted. Even if they charge someone, it's no guarantee that person will be convicted.

I think that the Police can arrest a person if they can show there is reasonable suspicion that that person has committed a crime. I also think that the Police arrest someone to ensure that person is available for questioning and/or charging.

re: Operation Yewtree
 

Perhaps it's time for England and Wales to move to a similar situation that we have up here where you can only be arrested if there is sufficient evidence to charge and before that you can only be detained for a certain period of time before being arrested/charged or released.