Originally Posted by greeninferno (Post 35743002)

Can it be proven that paedophilia is more prevalent in one race over another?

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35743006)

Only if there is a high enough concentration of potential participants, that they can simply ask the person standing next to them.

When calculating numbers involved, it should be remembered that the gangs pass them around the country and therefore the actual number of sex offenders is MANY times the number actually convicted. Eg if 5 are convicted, it is possible that 100 others were also involved.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35743043)

Crime must be tackled wherever it's found, whoever's doing it, and whatever's behind it.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35743043)

You're providing speculation and expecting it to be treated with equal weight to hard evidence. Sorry, but that won't do.

The evidence is clear. As more and more of these rape gangs are uncovered, time and time again, the Asian/Pakistani community is found to be grossly over-represented amongst the perpetrators, in comparison with the proportion of such people of that background in the population as a whole.

Sorry if that slaughters your sacred cow, but frankly it's about time. Crime must be tackled wherever it's found, whoever's doing it, and whatever's behind it.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35743085)

:confused:
I was responding to the claim that a gang is highly likely to be of the same "race". I was pointing out the additional factor of finding someone that wanted to join in. In these cases they are often brothers and people who live or work in the same area. Not many "races" could do that and certainly not without the risk of approaching somebody who didn't want to join in and instead they reported it to the police.

I was also pointed out that for every Asian/Pakistani that is convicted there are many who are not. Those that are not convicted are not in any figures, therefore under-representing the true scale of the issue.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35743532)

Are we allowed to say?

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35743526)

Open door immigration policy claims another victim. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35757371)

Meanwhile back in Rotherham:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-31130750

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...ailures-report

Another massive failure 'on Labour's watch' to add to the appalling N. Staffs. scandal. They just love to bang on about how the NHS is safe in their hands and that child welfare is a top priority but these events paint a rather different picture. Truly shocking!

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35757371)

Meanwhile back in Rotherham:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-31130750

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...ailures-report

Another massive failure 'on Labour's watch' to add to the appalling N. Staffs. scandal. They just love to bang on about how the NHS is safe in their hands and that child welfare is a top priority but these events paint a rather different picture. Truly shocking!

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35757422)

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35757445)

Right, when the men are named let's see if there's common theme.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35757452)

The usual collection of Mohameds, Alis and Choudhurys in that list, I see.

The BBC radio newsreader read the Rotheram story through gritted teeth yesterday, and practically choked over the words "Pakistani heritage".

It is utterly ridiculous. Nobody should be untouchable.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35757452)

Nobody should be untouchable.

Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35757459)

Except, of course, those who shouldn't be touched and those who don't want to be touched.

Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 35757449)

Some names here, I don't know how reliable this news source is, but I get the impression the BBC are starting to swing back to the Left on their news reports:

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/...people-8587632

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35757489)

Those come as no shock then. I have a feeling the one from Newport (the above story) will have a similar ethnic name too.

Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 35757729)

I notice the link I gave has a link at the bottom to this story:

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/...harged-8463396

I guess the cases may be linked, he's not one of the 20 out of 31 that have appeared in court so far.





I wonder if those with liberal tendencies will eventually spot a trend;)

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35762576)

And curiously, the usual kinds of names again.

Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 35762803)

The dark web?

The trouble is that onions have many skins and although sites could be closed down many of the users remain anonymous.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35773235)

In the interests of balance and fairness, not to mention it's the first time I've ever seen anything like this reported in the media....

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...g-live-5564454

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35778688)

Oh look, another Asian sex gang in court.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35778688)

Oh look, another Asian sex gang in court.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ast-60-5717785

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35778695)

and your point is what?

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35778707)

The point made throughout this thread is that Asian gangs seem to be responsible for these crimes, out of all proportion to the size of the Asian population of this country.

That could be because police are victimising them and ignoring white rape gangs, or it could be that, for some reason, something in the Asian community makes it more likely that their men think forming a rape gang is an acceptable thing to do.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35778695)

and your point is what?

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35778714)

That goes down as the most stupid post I have read on this forum in many a month.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35778707)

The point made throughout this thread is that Asian gangs seem to be responsible for these crimes, out of all proportion to the size of the Asian population of this country.

That could be because police are victimising them and ignoring white rape gangs, or it could be that, for some reason, something in the Asian community makes it more likely that their men think forming a rape gang is an acceptable thing to do.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35778695)

and your point is what?

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35778695)

and your point is what?

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35778728)

V

.....clear to all but the most blind far left wingers. Time and time again gangs of Asian and non-British men are in court on sex offence charges. Unless there's a wide-scale conspiracy in the media to play down reports of white British male gangs doing the same thing there is CLEARLY a problem in the Asian community that is not being dealt with. The authorities seem far more interested in community cohesion than dealing with this issue.

Think I'm being racist? Ask my GF and her 2 daughters who are British-Indian or our son who is mixed-race (although with him being 10 months old he may offer little more than a gurgle or two) what they think about that.

Apologists for the Asian community or those desperate to be seen to be sticking up for them will point out that all those being charged with offences connected to Operation Yewtree are white males.

A valid observation of course but it falls on its face when you take in to account that their heydays were a period where if you were anything other than white Anglo-Saxon you were extremely unlikely to get anywhere near mainstream TV or broadcasting.

The same for Catholic priests - the vast, vast majority in our towns and communities would be white.

If you do a google for "sex gang in court" and go back say 5 pages tell me how many cases show up that don't involve Asian or non-British men. Again, this could be down to Google chosing to only select certain types of cases but I'd very much doubt that.

Unless you can offer a different and more straightforward alternative scenario there are extremely regular reports of 'street' gangs of men from certain ethnic backgrounds in court on sex charges where they repeatedly target vulnerable girls. Some try to say they only target white girls - that does seem to happen too but I make no comment on that as in the vast majority of these cases the the courts hide the details of the victims (as is the law) but I don't see that as being the overriding issue.

There is a clear and massive problem in Asian communities surrounding this and nobody seems willing to deal with it as time and time again we hear of these court cases. No amount of PC-ness can hide the common denominator in each of them. Some try to suggest it's always Pakistani men, others often try to throw in the word 'Muslim', I'm not that destructive. When I see a headline (and no I don't mean the Daily Mail, I'm more a Mirror reader) about a sex gang in court I'm always pretty certain I'll know the kind of names contained in the report.

Can you prove me wrong? As I've said several times please please do. I don't mean that in an arrogant or facetious way, I genuinely want to be proven wrong as doing so will reassure me our society doesn't really have the problem I believe is so apparent. To date I'm sorry to say nobody has succeeded in my request yet.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35778739)

If you'd bothered reading the thread you'd know what his point is.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35778774)

Unlike what others believe, I have read this thread.

I do not disagree that the Asian community has an issue that needs to be dealt with. Moreoever, they need to be seen to be dealing with it.

The point I am making is that the media have to be very careful in how this is reported. This reason why is this: I have very good friends who are Asian, Sikh specifically. They have put up with years of petty racism from various idiots they meet in their daily lives .. like the **** who shouted racist insults after 9/11 and 7/7 acusing them of being Muslim.

Imagine a headline in the Sun or Daily Mail: "Oh look, another Asian sex gang in court." This is exactly what these petty minded bigots want to hear. They wouldn't think too far beyond this sort of headline and would inevitably lead to more racial incidents.

In my opinion, this whole subject has to be handled very carefully (in the media) to avoid inflaming racial tensions. This is my point ..

---------- Post added at 13:12 ---------- Previous post was at 13:11 ----------



Thank you for this insight

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35778776)

You're welcome. Thanks for yours - it added precisely nothing. So you knew what Russ's point was but asked anyway?... ;)

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35778774)

Unlike what others believe, I have read this thread.

I do not disagree that the Asian community has an issue that needs to be dealt with. Moreoever, they need to be seen to be dealing with it.

The point I am making is that the media have to be very careful in how this is reported. This reason why is this: I have very good friends who are Asian, Sikh specifically. They have put up with years of petty racism from various idiots they meet in their daily lives .. like the **** who shouted racist insults after 9/11 and 7/7 acusing them of being Muslim.

Imagine a headline in the Sun or Daily Mail: "Oh look, another Asian sex gang in court." This is exactly what these petty minded bigots want to hear. They wouldn't think too far beyond this sort of headline and would inevitably lead to more racial incidents.

In my opinion, this whole subject has to be handled very carefully (in the media) to avoid inflaming racial tensions. This is my point ..

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35778781)

Handling it "very carefully" is exactly what South Yorkshire Police and the Rotherham authorities did for 20-odd years and look where that got them. Placing 'community cohesion' above the needs of vulnerable children is the most arse-backwards and ridiculous approach to take.

If the Asian communities feel these bad apples give them a bad name then surely they ought to be doing more about the problem from within. It's very straightforward.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35778782)

I am talking about the reporting of these events in the media

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35778783)

The media have a responsibility to tell us what is going on out there, plain and simple.

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35778728)

V

.....clear to all but the most blind far left wingers. Time and time again gangs of Asian and non-British men are in court on sex offence charges. Unless there's a wide-scale conspiracy in the media to play down reports of white British male gangs doing the same thing there is CLEARLY a problem in the Asian community that is not being dealt with. The authorities seem far more interested in community cohesion than dealing with this issue.

Think I'm being racist? Ask my GF and her 2 daughters who are British-Indian or our son who is mixed-race (although with him being 10 months old he may offer little more than a gurgle or two) what they think about that.

Apologists for the Asian community or those desperate to be seen to be sticking up for them will point out that all those being charged with offences connected to Operation Yewtree are white males.

A valid observation of course but it falls on its face when you take in to account that their heydays were a period where if you were anything other than white Anglo-Saxon you were extremely unlikely to get anywhere near mainstream TV or broadcasting.

The same for Catholic priests - the vast, vast majority in our towns and communities would be white.

If you do a google for "sex gang in court" and go back say 5 pages tell me how many cases show up that don't involve Asian or non-British men. Again, this could be down to Google chosing to only select certain types of cases but I'd very much doubt that.

Unless you can offer a different and more straightforward alternative scenario there are extremely regular reports of 'street' gangs of men from certain ethnic backgrounds in court on sex charges where they repeatedly target vulnerable girls. Some try to say they only target white girls - that does seem to happen too but I make no comment on that as in the vast majority of these cases the the courts hide the details of the victims (as is the law) but I don't see that as being the overriding issue.

There is a clear and massive problem in Asian communities surrounding this and nobody seems willing to deal with it as time and time again we hear of these court cases. No amount of PC-ness can hide the common denominator in each of them. Some try to suggest it's always Pakistani men, others often try to throw in the word 'Muslim', I'm not that destructive. When I see a headline (and no I don't mean the Daily Mail, I'm more a Mirror reader) about a sex gang in court I'm always pretty certain I'll know the kind of names contained in the report.

Can you prove me wrong? As I've said several times please please do. I don't mean that in an arrogant or facetious way, I genuinely want to be proven wrong as doing so will reassure me our society doesn't really have the problem I believe is so apparent. To date I'm sorry to say nobody has succeeded in my request yet.

Originally Posted by greeninferno (Post 35778807)

Is there any way someone could find this out?

The proportion of sex cases involving the nationalities/religions involved?

Freedom Of Information maybe?

Because the word "asian" is essentially meaningless.

Originally Posted by greeninferno (Post 35778807)

Is there any way someone could find this out?

The proportion of sex cases involving the nationalities/religions involved?

Freedom Of Information maybe?

Because the word "asian" is essentially meaningless.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35778785)

There is no such thing as "plain and simple" media reporting.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35778778)

Let's agree to differ on this

Originally Posted by greeninferno (Post 35778807)

Is there any way someone could find this out?

The proportion of sex cases involving the nationalities/religions involved?

Freedom Of Information maybe?

Because the word "asian" is essentially meaningless.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35781301)

Ooh look.

Amother misrepresentation, no doubt.

Five charged after Oxford child sex raids
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-33001256

Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35781332)

White, Black, Yellow etc., Paedophiles are Paedophiles.

Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35781332)

White, Black, Yellow etc., Paedophiles are Paedophiles.

Back to April's article in the Daily Smell.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-Internet.html

These mothers were white!

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35781358)

The thread title says "Child grooming gang".

Nevertheless there are other big differences. That set of people was more a case of individuals with a shared interest than a gang They lived miles apart eg Sussex, Hampshire, Wiltshire, Humberside. They had to communicate using the "dark web". It was not an attitude that was so endemic in their culture that they could simply ask the person next to them.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35781358)

The thread title says "Child grooming gang".

Nevertheless there are other big differences. That set of people was more a case of individuals with a shared interest than a gang They lived miles apart eg Sussex, Hampshire, Wiltshire, Humberside. They had to communicate using the "dark web". It was not an attitude that was so endemic in their culture that they could simply ask the person next to them.

Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35781332)

White, Black, Yellow etc., Paedophiles are Paedophiles.

Back to April's article in the Daily Smell.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-Internet.html

These mothers were white!

Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35781398)

Another interesting article:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...n-7729068.html

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35784866)

Originally Posted by greeninferno (Post 35786141)

The scale of this story is absolutely preposterous

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35786149)

Preposterous, as in you don't believe it or it's scary and unbelievable?

Remember in these sorts of cases the girls were trafficked around. In one instance one girl was trafficked to 20 men in one night.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35786158)

Whilst apprehending the traffickers, eventually, is to be applauded, I would like to see those who were negligent in allowing this to happen to carry the can as well. Sadly they'll have "retired" or "been moved" or it "won't be in the public interest" The ususal excuses for not prosecuting establishment figures.:mad:

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35786149)

Preposterous, as in you don't believe it or it's scary and unbelievable?

Remember in these sorts of cases the girls were trafficked around. In one instance one girl was trafficked to 20 men in one night.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35790708)

Another one in Norfolk.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-33674221

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35790708)

Another one in Norfolk.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35790708)

Another one in Norfolk.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-33674221

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35790365)

Maybe it's a similar sort of grooming and conditioning which turns ordinary people into suicide bombers and ISIS maniacs.