Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35426076)

Most of my Atlantic viewing has been off

Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35426112)

I'm sure time shifted viewing is taken into account when it comes to viewing figures.

As for whether the xl package price would change if ESPN were to go I would point out that ESPN is much more than just three channels, it's Virgin's only way of competing on Sport with Sky. If they let free Premier League football leave their xl pack they'll quite simply lose customers.

---------- Post added at 20:33 ---------- Previous post was at 20:01 ----------

Sorry, I misread Anytime+ for Sky+.

Sky must have some way of providing on demand viewing figures-you'd think they'd probably want to do so, even if it was only to provide a base for negotiations over advertising revenue.

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35425054)

Sorry I'm a little puzzled. Does this mean Smallworld can't get access to ITV2 HD "due to the lock-out signed into the carriage agreement with the other operators"?

I thought Adam Crozier confirmed about 18 months ago that the deal with SKY for ITV2HD, ITV3HD and ITV4HD was a non-exclusive deal. Adam Crozier also stated:

"Building new revenue streams by exploiting our content across multiple platforms is a key part of the ITV transformation plan."

It seems strange that some lock-out deal would be in place between SKY and ITV unless a deal has recently been agreed with ITV and Virgin, but not yet announced. Similar to the SKY deal with ITV, which made SKY the exclusive satellite broadcaster of the channels, maybe Virgin are the exclusive cable carrier of the channels which locks out Smallworld.

Why would ITV and Virgin delay announcing such a deal? Who knows. But remember it wasn't too long ago that Virgin, Eurosport and the BBC deliberately held back announcing their deal to bring 2012 Olympics to Virgin Media customers by way of linear channels.

Personally I view the post from Smallworld a a positive that the missing ITV HD channels might actually be on their way to Virgin soon.

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35426164)

It's interesting that he goes on to say:

"I will be revisiting the ITV situation later in the year."

This suggests whatever is prohibiting at the moment won't be prohibiting him in 5 or 6 months time.

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35425932)

Only on the ex-Telewest side of the business. ex-ntl TV Email continues for those that have it (for now)

Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35425959)

Does anyone still use that? And if so, why? :eek:

Originally Posted by Rillington (Post 35426160)

David Durnford, Smallworld's MD, added that that cost of ITV2, 3 and 4 in HD is "prohibitive...due to the contract ITV has with Sky." He then speculated that this might be the reason that VM too said no for the same reason. One wold speculate that it is likely that VM is being asked the same amount of money and that VM has said no.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...1#post58094971

Isn't it such a shame that VM chooses not to be open like Mr Durnford chooses to be regarding answering people's enquiries about Smallworld which is why we are always speculating about everything concerning VM. Mr Durnford's openness and helpfulness is a credit to himself and how he chooses to run his company and this openness makes me sometimes which I could have Smallworld instead of VM even though Smallworld seems not to be currently offering any on demand services.

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35426164)

It's interesting that he goes on to say:

"I will be revisiting the ITV situation later in the year."

This suggests whatever is prohibiting at the moment won't be prohibiting him in 5 or 6 months time.

If, as he speculates, Virgin are being held back at the moment too then me might finally see the missing ITV HD channels in 2012.

It's a good thing this thread thrives on speculation :D

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35426164)

It's interesting that he goes on to say:

"I will be revisiting the ITV situation later in the year."

This suggests whatever is prohibiting at the moment won't be prohibiting him in 5 or 6 months time.

If, as he speculates, Virgin are being held back at the moment too then me might finally see the missing ITV HD channels in 2012.

It's a good thing this thread thrives on speculation :D

Originally Posted by LexDiamond (Post 35426290)

Unless off course Sky renew their deal (if there wad one to begin with)

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35426307)

Come on Lex of course there was some type of exclusive deal.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35426307)

Come on Lex of course there was some type of exclusive deal.

Originally Posted by LexDiamond (Post 35426312)

Maybe. If there was or wasn't, what is obvious is that Skys pricing structure allows them to pay much more than cable for these and other channels.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35426318)

Nothing to do with pricing structure Lex but more to do with Skys bottomless pockets.:)

Originally Posted by LexDiamond (Post 35426312)

Maybe. If there was or wasn't, what is obvious is that Skys pricing structure allows them to pay much more than cable for these and other channels.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35426372)

I suspect that Sky have contrived it so that channels are offered, but at an unrealistic price. That way they get exclusivity through the back door or rip third parties off (in the case of their own channels.)

Originally Posted by LexDiamond (Post 35426705)

That makes no sense. ITV would do what makes them the most money.

Originally Posted by nicko (Post 35426720)

But this is point, Sky would do an unrealistic deal with ITV to keep the channels off the other platforms.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35426722)

And its no different then them keeping Sky Atlantic and Sky Sports HD 3 and 4 in that they are using their monopolistic position and undue influence to control the pricing and availability of content through their own insidious means.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35426738)

Den unless I'm mistaken VM customers have access to around 17 Sky High Definition channels the exception being Sky Sports 3 and 4 HD which I've already stated I believe should be included for VM Sky Sports subscribers , the remaining two Sky Sports F1 HD and Sky Atlantic HD I see no problem with Sky keeping them exclusive after all every platform is entitled to some sort of USP. VM now also offer Sky Anytime content across their platform.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35426745)

Den every firm has exclusive products/channels/content etc , Sky has some of its HD channels whilst VM have TIVO , Film 4 HD and up until the VMTV channel sale Living HD.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35426748)

Whats the TiVo got to do with the availability of channels as Sky did have a chance to embrace the TiVo but due to their poor judgement failed to see the huge potential of the Tivo STB and they are the poorer for it but getting back to the point of exclusitivity l believe their channels because of their undue influence on the market should be made available to all platforms as a rule and in my opinion Film 4 HD should be available to Sky as part of this non exclusitivity and not just available to Virgin.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35426749)

So the upshot is , it's ok for some companies to have exclusive deals whilst others shouldn't be allowed :td:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35426749)

So the upshot is , it's ok for some companies to have exclusive deals whilst others shouldn't be allowed :td:

Originally Posted by LexDiamond (Post 35426751)

Den should ask S1 Tivo users

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35426753)

Oh thy servant bows in front of his master to do his bidding.;):D

Originally Posted by LexDiamond (Post 35426754)

Nice way to side step reality ;)

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35426756)

Not really because as l have explained to MM l don't believe in certain markets there should be any exclusitivity.:)

Originally Posted by LexDiamond (Post 35426751)

Den should ask S1 Tivo users

Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35426792)

About what? Sorry. Not sure what your point was. (Former S1 owner here :))

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35426827)

Does anyone know if Channel 4seven will be in HD from launch?

Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35426817)

..it's not like Virgin have allowed Sky to resell their broadband, is it.

Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35426812)

Maybe. The evidence for that is entirely circumstantial.

Originally Posted by LexDiamond (Post 35426885)

That is true. However it is no less circumstantial than some of the things said here regarding Sky.

An example that is not circumstantial is that VM owned channels were only in HD on VM before VM sold those channels.

Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35426857)

Not the best comparison you could have used :)

Originally Posted by LexDiamond (Post 35426885)

That is true. However it is no less circumstantial than some of the things said here regarding Sky.

An example that is not circumstantial is that VM owned channels were only in HD on VM before VM sold those channels.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35426889)

Its a very good attempt by you Lex but l am afraid you are clutching at straws somewhat in your attempt to show that Virgin are were witholding channels when they had VMTV as l suspect Sky tried to get the channel on the cheap.

Originally Posted by LexDiamond (Post 35426905)

Love the logic. When VM is selling Sky want it on the cheap and when Sky is selling VM have to pay too much :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35426910)

Come on Lex you know as well as l do that Sky have a unhealthy influence on the TV market but of course your biasedness towards Sky won't allow you to see that.:erm:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35426910)

Come on Lex you know as well as l do that Sky have a unhealthy influence on the TV market but of course your biasedness towards Sky won't allow you to see that.:erm:

Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35426920)

But Den you are equally biased, looking at the comments you make. ;)

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35426930)

l try to make fair and unbiased posts and l have criticised Virgin plenty of times in the past as well you know but one suspects some memory loss on the part of some Sky posters on that score methinks.:)

Originally Posted by LexDiamond (Post 35426934)

That doesn't explain yiur bias in recent posts.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35426939)

No not biasedness but fair points about Skys unhealthy influence on the TV market but obviously that seems to have touched a nerve with the sky fanboys.:)

Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35426888)

Go on then...

Originally Posted by DaMac (Post 35427140)

I can, VM's exclusive deal over FILM4 in HD, not that sky where exactly quaking in their boots over it but that shows that there are deals to be done if you really want to.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35426832)

Pretty sure it's SD only on all platforms Chad.

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35427820)

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35427820)

Media Boy's week off.

Back next Monday.

Originally Posted by nialli (Post 35427159)

We had Living HD before it became Sky Living too, but these are scraps really. Good as Film4 HD is (and it is probably the best single movie channel around, with superior HD PQ to the Sky ones) for Sky it's not ideal to have a great free movie channel in HD in competition with their revenue generating ones.

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35427862)

Oh, no! Who's going to keep us informed on the loads of new channels launching soon?

Oops; this is VM we're talking about. You could probably have the next few years off! ;):D

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35427864)

Come on PB surely you are not that pessimistic.:)

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35427865)

HD BOY is coming back for a week:confused: Shock

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35427870)

l think thats highly unlikely but you could always give him a call on your phone as l hear you two were bosom buddies.;):D

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35427864)

Come on PB surely you are not that pessimistic.:)

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35427843)

Have a good one:D

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35427865)

HD BOY is coming back for a week:confused: Shock

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35427892)

I will not!!!

I am not going away on holiday. I am just busy this week due to someone I know dies last night.

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35427899)

Sorry MB did not mean to cause offence as I thought that you were having a week away:(:(

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35427892)

I will not!!!

I am not going away on holiday. I am just busy this week due to someone I know dies last night.

Back next Monday.

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35427862)

Oops; this is VM we're talking about. You could probably have the next few years off! ;):D

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35428335)

London 2012 Olympics coverage

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/18071080

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35428338)

l for one am looking forward to it all.

Originally Posted by jempalmer (Post 35428357)

I'm going to be watching an awful lot of movies :)

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35428356)

I am going to the USA to avoid it !:dozey:

Originally Posted by toby53 (Post 35428398)

We are off to France but where ever you are it will be on the telly

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35428784)

BBC new look digital network.

BBC given go-ahead for BBC One HD in Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland plus launch of BBC Two HD. Also to move all Kids shows to CBBC and CBeebies.

But BBC HD will close and BBC Asian Network will close overnight.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...ens-shows-bbc1

Originally Posted by toady (Post 35428799)

"The BBC Red Button interactive service has "substantial costs" and as a result the number of video streams on satellite and cable TV will be cut from nine to just one. The news multi-screen service will be shut."

This doesn't sound like good news

Originally Posted by toady (Post 35428799)

"The BBC Red Button interactive service has "substantial costs" and as a result the number of video streams on satellite and cable TV will be cut from nine to just one. The news multi-screen service will be shut."

This doesn't sound like good news

Originally Posted by jempalmer (Post 35428811)

Hope VM didn't invest too much in developing red button for Tivo then. Money down the drain?

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35428810)

The BBC should have to survive in the real commercial world because as we know that all of us have to pay the licence fee but yet we are getting less and less for it.

Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35428818)

The thing is den i think the BBC licence fee is extremly good value at £145.50 a year for a variety of content channels,and all its radio stations,i cannot agree it should survive in the commercial world as it would be charging similar prices to skys mate.!

Local BBC radio is having to cut its broadcasting of county cricket matches next year because of the licence fee freeze asnd having to cut back,just like Mr Murdoch wanted.:mad:

But i digress rant over.:mad:

Originally Posted by toady (Post 35428799)

"The BBC Red Button interactive service has "substantial costs" and as a result the number of video streams on satellite and cable TV will be cut from nine to just one. The news multi-screen service will be shut."

This doesn't sound like good news

Originally Posted by jempalmer (Post 35428811)

Hope VM didn't invest too much in developing red button for Tivo then. Money down the drain?

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35428822)

l do understand your point of view Richard but if the BBC keep cutting back one suspects we will get a third rate service and in some areas that is already happening.

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35428824)

Nope, TiVo Red Button can access internet video streams, the reduction is in the linear channel ones i.e. the ones on the V boxes

So if anything TiVo red button will become much better than all the others due to the extra content it can access

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35428824)

Nope, TiVo Red Button can access internet video streams, the reduction is in the linear channel ones i.e. the ones on the V boxes

So if anything TiVo red button will become much better than all the others due to the extra content it can access

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35428857)

Ben I am sure you are following the company line & I hope you are correct. The track record on delivery makes be think I will be long gone before it arrives :p:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35428859)

Come on Itshim thats pessimism of the highest order as hopefully it should arrive in the next few months one would hope.:)

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35428859)

Come on Itshim thats pessimism of the highest order as hopefully it should arrive in the next few months one would hope.:)

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35428863)

Den how long as that been the party line :confused:
The red button was "coming soon" at the launch was it not :erm: .
Ok its on the screen -its a red button Jim, but not as we know it:cool:

Originally Posted by Mobes (Post 35428868)

To be specific it needs to be here by Monday 25th June @ 12pm as it's the first day of Wimbledon and Virgin have said multiscreen options on TIVO would be available for that!

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35428738)

Total Channels down by two.

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35428943)

Diva and Sky Living Loves. Gone but not forgiven.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35428810)

The BBC should have to survive in the real commercial world because as we know that all of us have to pay the licence fee but yet we are getting less and less for it.

Originally Posted by gba93 (Post 35428986)

Won't miss them myself

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35428857)

Ben I am sure you are following the company line...