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toady 24-05-2012 17:43

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Originally Posted by DaMac (Post 35432393)
Me to i aint switching to TiVo till i can stream to the upstairs V HD box, end of.

Sounds like you won't be getting a TIVO for a very long while then

BenMcr 24-05-2012 17:43

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Originally Posted by DaMac (Post 35432393)
Me to i aint switching to TiVo till i can stream to the upstairs V HD box, end of.

That'll be a while then. Nothing has been confirmed to say the V HD box will be getting the TiVo interface and it won't do streaming without it

pengedragon 24-05-2012 17:48

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possibly missed at the bottom of the last page :)

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Originally Posted by pengedragon (Post 35432291)
couple of quick app questions if anyone can help

spotify - is it possible to shuffle a playlist on tivo ?

youtube - is it possible to see all my subscriptions on tivo ? when i log in it just seems to display whatever happened to have the last upload

cheers for any answers


passingbat 24-05-2012 18:01

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35432374)
However multiroom streaming was only introduced by TiVo last year and the US boxes actually only got in January of this year

I may be wrong, but prior to streaming, didn't they still have the ability to watch shows on one box on the other (by copying?) I imagine the process is not that different? I know copying is not really an option in the UK.

The thing is, we've had the boxes connected since last Novembe; I can delete shows from the beedroom box using the lounge box and visa versa. They knew they planned to have multiroom streaming from the get go, so rights issues really ought to be sorted. People buy Network connected TVs, Games consoles etc and to get the extra connected content, they have to connect it to the network, and they follow instructions on how to do it. Why should this extra Tivo functionality be any different?

And we know multi room streaming works on tivo, because the US ones have got it.

muppetman11 24-05-2012 18:12

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35432407)
People buy Network connected TVs, Games consoles etc and to get the extra connected content, they have to connect it to the network, and they follow instructions on how to do it. Why should this extra Tivo functionality be any different?

Because VM wants its customers to have a fault free perfect experience when using multiroom streaming , I've had a moan myself about how long multiroom streaming has took to arrive in the UK pay TV market , however thinking rationally about it you can see the issues. Many people don't want wiring going all over their homes which is probably the preferred method , wifi can be hit and miss which leaves Homeplug networking , it really is a minefield and also worth remembering no other pay TV provider currently has this feature available to date.

carlwaring 24-05-2012 18:20

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35432366)
You really think 18 months + is a reasonable time to sort it out :erm:

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35432387)
Ok so the tec problems are solved. Agree , that leaves "rights" as the only issue. So if it was thought of on 31st Dec 2011 ( Last year ;)) It is still nearly 5 months down the line :shocked:

Firstly, there's a huge difference between 18 months and 5 months. Secondly....

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Originally Posted by Lew (Post 35432365)
Do tell us more. You obviously have a great in-depth knowledge of TV rights negotiations so I'm sure you can enlighten us on how it should have been "sorted by now".

In five months, not 18 :)

passingbat 24-05-2012 18:41

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35432413)
worth remembering no other pay TV provider currently has this feature available to date.

All the more reason for VM to get their finger out and be the first. With Sky now having Fibre broadband, VM's former USP (cable BB) has gone and they quickly need a new one. Tivo is a valid USP for me, but I think for most Tivo users, it's a prefered box option, not an essential one.

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35432421)
Firstly, there's a huge difference between 18 months and 5 months. Secondly....

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Originally Posted by Lew http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/im...s/viewpost.gif
Do tell us more. You obviously have a great in-depth knowledge of TV rights negotiations so I'm sure you can enlighten us on how it should have been "sorted by now".
In five months, not 18 :)

No, as far as rights are concerned, multi room streaming was planned from the get go of VM's Tivo involvment, so those negotiations could have been started around 2.5 years ago.

Itshim 25-05-2012 11:42

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35432428)
All the more reason for VM to get their finger out and be the first. With Sky now having Fibre broadband, VM's former USP (cable BB) has gone and they quickly need a new one. Tivo is a valid USP for me, but I think for most Tivo users, it's a prefered box option, not an essential one.

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No, as far as rights are concerned, multi room streaming was planned from the get go of VM's Tivo involvment, so those negotiations could have been started around 2.5 years ago.

I Choose 5 months as the possibly least time it could be. Still it is a long time at that figure, really 5 months is short - only in the public sector - in the real world its crazy time :p:

Fred Fish 26-05-2012 10:31

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It is ages since I last visited this forum.

I have just been upgraded to a Tivo box and have a couple of questions.

I just tried to watch "pointless" from Friday via catch-up. The guide shows the catchup symbol but when I try to find it in the catchup list it isnt there. If you try to watch it via catchup on my V+ box (now upstairs) it is there. I realise that I can access it vis bbc iplayer but that is a bit cumbersome. Is it something I am doing wrong or do I just have to put up with it?

Secondly as I said I have had my V+ box moved upstairs but when I try to access any of the "+" features such as my recorded programs or pausing TV I get an error message. My instinct is that I need to contact Virgin direct, but any thoughts.

Many thanks for any input.

Cheers

John

spiderplant 26-05-2012 10:55

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Originally Posted by Fred Fish (Post 35433040)
I just tried to watch "pointless" from Friday via catch-up. The guide shows the catchup symbol but when I try to find it in the catchup list it isnt there. If you try to watch it via catchup on my V+ box (now upstairs) it is there. I realise that I can access it vis bbc iplayer but that is a bit cumbersome. Is it something I am doing wrong or do I just have to put up with it?

That's a fault that is currently under investigation. Pointless and a few other shows aren't getting listed by TiVo even though they are available in iPlayer.

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Originally Posted by Fred Fish (Post 35433040)
Secondly as I said I have had my V+ box moved upstairs but when I try to access any of the "+" features such as my recorded programs or pausing TV I get an error message. My instinct is that I need to contact Virgin direct, but any thoughts.

Yes, you need to call the Faults department.

Fred Fish 26-05-2012 11:36

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Spiderplant - thanks for your reply, I guess it is just wait it out - I have set it to record so it is easier to access.

I will call the faults department - they were also supposed to up my broadband to 100mb but although there is a new modem I am still only getting just under 20mb download - according to speedtest.net (although the upload speed has increased).

Thanks again

Henkesghost 26-05-2012 23:30

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My on demand is gubbed, inconvienant but i'm pleasantly drunk:) why worry lol

denphone 27-05-2012 07:09

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Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35433361)
My on demand is gubbed, inconvienant but i'm pleasantly drunk:) why worry lol

Thats right Henke you can have your moan when you wake up in the morning.:D

Henkesghost 27-05-2012 13:16

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35433427)
Thats right Henke you can have your moan when you wake up in the morning.:D

:D ha ha u were right Den, engineer called for Tuesday, channels keep conking out on TiVo box, weak signal by all accounts:rolleyes:


MysticDen :-)

dazed&confused 28-05-2012 11:14

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Morning all
Got a strange problem with my Tivo remote......
Every now and again when I press the "Last channel" button the TV changes to
"My shows" ??
I know I'm getting clumsy in my old age, but the buttons are well apart.
Anybody else getting this ??

carlwaring 28-05-2012 12:11

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So, living up (or down? ;)) to your username then? :D

Have you checked the batteries lately? That's the only possible thing I can think of.

Not had that happen here ever.

Tricky Trevor 28-05-2012 17:01

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Originally Posted by dazed&confused (Post 35433767)
Morning all
Got a strange problem with my Tivo remote......
Every now and again when I press the "Last channel" button the TV changes to
"My shows" ??
I know I'm getting clumsy in my old age, but the buttons are well apart.
Anybody else getting this ??

I got that twice yesterday,I thought I was cracking up....very strange.:confused:

ntluser 28-05-2012 18:12

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I currently have all three services(tel, TV, broadband) and a V+ box. I also have an old CRT TV ( one of the few with component connectors) that allows HD.

I'm thinking about upgrading to Tivo and getting rid of the V+ box but don't like the "collections" offered.

Is it possible just to upgrade my current package to Tivo? If so what would it cost and which TV box would I get please?

Perhaps a recent convertee from V+ to Tivo could give me the benefit of their experience of the conversion process and comment on the quality of the service please.TIA.

BenMcr 29-05-2012 12:06

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Just to point out that TiVo only has HDMI as HD output

ntluser 29-05-2012 16:13

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35434178)
Just to point out that TiVo only has HDMI as HD output

Cheers, Ben. Thanks for that. Looks like I'll have to put that on hold until my current TV expires or someone comes up with a working HDMI-to-Component cable!!

Henkesghost 29-05-2012 20:53

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Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35433483)
:D ha ha u were right Den, engineer called for Tuesday, channels keep conking out on TiVo box, weak signal by all accounts:rolleyes:


MysticDen :-)



Update, spent 40 mins on phone as engineer didn't turn up. Got call last night to confirm that they were coming but waited the 3 hours today with no show. Was told when i called to enquire where the engineer was that they had cancelled it without telling me cos there was a fault in the area!!! :mad: They checked it out and confirmed that my fault was nothing to do with the area fault but policy was to cancel any engineer visits if there was a fault in the area. They checked my box and confirmed I still have a fault and will send out an engineer!! :mad: Had nothing but trouble since this "upgrade" Internet connection which is supposed to be faster is sporadic and tv channels missing, freezing etc etc etc:( Very unhappy with service.

denphone 29-05-2012 20:57

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Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35434366)
Update, spent 40 mins on phone as engineer didn't turn up. Got call last night to confirm that they were coming but waited the 3 hours today with no show. Was told when i called to enquire where the engineer was that they had cancelled it without telling me cos there was a fault in the area!!! :mad: They checked it out and confirmed that my fault was nothing to do with the area fault but policy was to cancel any engineer visits if there was a fault in the area. They checked my box and confirmed I still have a fault and will send out an engineer!! :mad: Had nothing but trouble since this "upgrade" Internet connection which is supposed to be faster is sporadic and tv channels missing, freezing etc etc etc:( Very unhappy with service.

l am really sorry to hear about your problems Henke and l do hope it is sorted out sooner rather then later for you.

jempalmer 29-05-2012 20:58

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That is unacceptable. When you next speak to them ask for a discount. Do not let them fob you off.

Henkesghost 29-05-2012 21:03

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35434368)
l am really sorry to hear about your problems Henke and l do hope it is sorted out sooner rather then later for you.

You are a lovely man who takes the time to think of others despite being on the verge of having Roberto Martinez as manager:shocked:

Thank you Den, they coming out Friday morning now, Mrs Ghost not chuffed, she doesn't work on a Friday and won't get a lie in:D

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Originally Posted by jempalmer (Post 35434369)
That is unacceptable. When you next speak to them ask for a discount. Do not let them fob you off.

They gave me £13 which is ok but still shocking Customer Service

denphone 29-05-2012 21:06

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Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35434371)
You are a lovely man who takes the time to think of others despite being on the verge of having Roberto Martinez as manager:shocked:

Thank you Den, they coming out Friday morning now, Mrs Ghost not chuffed, she doesn't work on a Friday and won't get a lie in:D

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They gave me £13 which is ok but still shocking Customer Service

l look at it this way as there is always someone worse off then myself so l tend to looks at most things in a positive way in life.:D





Not sure Martinez is going to get the job now according to the latest rumours.

alwaysabear 29-05-2012 22:12

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Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35434366)
Update, spent 40 mins on phone as engineer didn't turn up. Got call last night to confirm that they were coming but waited the 3 hours today with no show. Was told when i called to enquire where the engineer was that they had cancelled it without telling me cos there was a fault in the area!!! :mad: They checked it out and confirmed that my fault was nothing to do with the area fault but policy was to cancel any engineer visits if there was a fault in the area. They checked my box and confirmed I still have a fault and will send out an engineer!! :mad: Had nothing but trouble since this "upgrade" Internet connection which is supposed to be faster is sporadic and tv channels missing, freezing etc etc etc:( Very unhappy with service.

Sorry to hear your having trouble since your upgrade M8.I hope it all gets sorted soon.

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35434376)
l look at it this way as there is always someone worse off then myself so l tend to looks at most things in a positive way in life.:D





Not sure Martinez is going to get the job now according to the latest rumours.

Looks like Brendan Rodgers is now in the frame. I do not envy anyone taking over at Anfield. He will not get much time to sort it out.

Chad 04-06-2012 23:52

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Does TiVo record suggestions in HD?

I've got 37 suggestions currently such as Mythbusters, The Ricky Gervais Show, Top Gear, Fringe, Bear Grylls, Man Vs. Food etc..... Not one of these shows is in HD. TiVo has recorded all of the suggestions from the SD versions of the channels. Strangely whenever it records a programme from BBC 1 or BBC 2 it records from the audio description version of the channels.

In the 8 or so months I've had TiVo I can't remember any of my suggestions being in HD. Has anyone else had this problem?

Lostlam 05-06-2012 00:16

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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35437025)
Does TiVo record suggestions in HD?

I've got 37 suggestions currently such as Mythbusters, The Ricky Gervais Show, Top Gear, Fringe, Bear Grylls, Man Vs. Food etc..... Not one of these shows is in HD. TiVo has recorded all of the suggestions from the SD versions of the channels. Strangely whenever it records a programme from BBC 1 or BBC 2 it records from the audio description version of the channels.

In the 8 or so months I've had TiVo I can't remember any of my suggestions being in HD. Has anyone else had this problem?

I have the exact same issue, but it has once recorded a HD version of Eastenders, but that's it. I am guessing, but I think it might be to do with storage space so each recording takes up less space compared to a HD recording. That seems to be the only explanation as it can't be to do with programming as it does on very few occasions record in HD.

Captain Pugwash 05-06-2012 00:22

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My thinking is that these are purely "suggestions" and so to save disk space they will be recorded in SD. If you want them in HD then I think you need to set a series link or wishlist (which needs to specify HD). Not 100% sure tho.

Chad 05-06-2012 00:48

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Originally Posted by Captain Pugwash (Post 35437035)
My thinking is that these are purely "suggestions" and so to save disk space they will be recorded in SD. If you want them in HD then I think you need to set a series link or wishlist (which needs to specify HD). Not 100% sure tho.

That's what I was thinking too however this shouldn't be a problem according to the Go Discover manual you get with your TiVo box.

"If there's space on your box, it'll automatically record your Suggestions for you. But don't worry, Suggestions won't replace the shows you've chosen to record. And they're always the first to be deleted to make room for specific recordings you've set up."

On the same page of the Go Discover Manual there's another statement which for me personally doesn't ring true.

"Your box learns what you like the most and makes Suggestions for you, But not just any old stuff - it suggest's programmes and movies based on your recordings and thumb ratings."

8 months in and I've still to have a movie suggested to me. If Virgin could implement the option to have suggestions recorded in HD, and for movies to be actually suggested, then I'd be a very happy TiVo user indeed.

OLD BOY 05-06-2012 14:33

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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35437051)
That's what I was thinking too however this shouldn't be a problem according to the Go Discover manual you get with your TiVo box.

"If there's space on your box, it'll automatically record your Suggestions for you. But don't worry, Suggestions won't replace the shows you've chosen to record. And they're always the first to be deleted to make room for specific recordings you've set up."

On the same page of the Go Discover Manual there's another statement which for me personally doesn't ring true.

"Your box learns what you like the most and makes Suggestions for you, But not just any old stuff - it suggest's programmes and movies based on your recordings and thumb ratings."

8 months in and I've still to have a movie suggested to me. If Virgin could implement the option to have suggestions recorded in HD, and for movies to be actually suggested, then I'd be a very happy TiVo user indeed.

Hi, Chad. Are you recording movies and/or giving the thumbs up ratings? I think you need to do this before it will record any movies.

Chad 05-06-2012 16:28

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35437228)
Hi, Chad. Are you recording movies and/or giving the thumbs up ratings? I think you need to do this before it will record any movies.

Yeah I first realised about 8 weeks ago that TiVo had never recommended a film for me. I don't have SKY Movies but I do record a lot of films from Film 4 and the various terrestrial channels.

I posted on Virgins Help and Support forum about 7 weeks ago but never really got a definitive answer. It seems to be a common problem:

http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...ht/true#M52214

People have suggested using Wishlists but that isn't the point. Virgin suggest TiVo will recommend movies but it simply doesn't, or very rarely does. TiVo has suggested some really good TV programmes, which I've enjoyed watching. I just want it to do the same for movies too.

andy_m 05-06-2012 17:45

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I wonder if there are some rights issues muddying the waters somewhere in the background?

denphone 05-06-2012 17:47

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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35437292)
I wonder if there are some rights issues muddying the waters somewhere in the background?

Yes you could be right as this rights issues seems to be complicating quite a few things in my opinion.

andy_m 05-06-2012 18:09

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The only other thing I can think of is that you never have three tuners free for a clear couple of hours at the same time as a film is broadcast which matches your interests. Have you looked at the suggestions made in the "browse" menu to see if there are movies suggested, but just not recorded, or just in suggestions in "myshows"?

Chad 05-06-2012 20:06

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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35437303)
The only other thing I can think of is that you never have three tuners free for a clear couple of hours at the same time as a film is broadcast which matches your interests. Have you looked at the suggestions made in the "browse" menu to see if there are movies suggested, but just not recorded, or just in suggestions in "myshows"?

I do get movies suggested in the menu bar, but often these are movies I've already rated myself when the film was on terrestrial TV. Other films that are recommended are on Filmflex rather than terrestrial TV, which is not what I'm looking for.

I understand what your saying about 3 tuners not being free. I've had TiVo for around 8 months and it would be an incredible coincidence that every time it's found a film that matches my taste, it couldn't record it due to a lack of tuners.

There is loads of films on the XL package today that TiVo should really have picked up from my recommendations. For example:

Close Encounters Of The Third Kind - Watch
The Prestige - BBC Two
American Gangster - ITV4
Ocean's Twelve - Watch
The Bourne Identity - Universal
Platoon - TCM

andy_m 05-06-2012 20:44

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Go to browse TV and look in the suggestion folder there, rather than the menu bar-do any of those films appear there? If so then it should be easy to work out why they're not recording.

As far as I can work out, what's displayed in the menu bar has more to do with the show that's currently highlighted in the menu below it than your preferences.

Chad 05-06-2012 21:40

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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35437363)
Go to browse TV and look in the suggestion folder there, rather than the menu bar-do any of those films appear there? If so then it should be easy to work out why they're not recording.

As far as I can work out, what's displayed in the menu bar has more to do with the show that's currently highlighted in the menu below it than your preferences.

Okay I've checked. I have the following listed:

The Walking Dead
The Ricky Gervais Show
Bunces Boxing Hour
An Idiot Abroad
Unsolved History
Mythbusters
Wonders Of The Solar System
Ringside
Harry Hills TV Burp
The Simpsons

In terms of what's being suggested, it's a good effort from TiVo. I would watch these programmes. No movies featured in my list though.

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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35437025)
Does TiVo record suggestions in HD?

I've got 37 suggestions currently such as Mythbusters, The Ricky Gervais Show, Top Gear, Fringe, Bear Grylls, Man Vs. Food etc..... Not one of these shows is in HD. TiVo has recorded all of the suggestions from the SD versions of the channels. Strangely whenever it records a programme from BBC 1 or BBC 2 it records from the audio description version of the channels.

In the 8 or so months I've had TiVo I can't remember any of my suggestions being in HD. Has anyone else had this problem?

@Andy M

As above pretty much the majority of films I've gave ratings too have been on the HD variants of the channels i.e. Film 4HD, BBC HD, Channel 4HD etc...
I wonder if, for some reason, this is having an effect on movies not being automatically recorded as a suggestion. Just a thought really.

andy_m 05-06-2012 22:08

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Right well I'm struggling as to why no movies then-I agree it seems unlikely you wouldn't have any in 8 months because of tuner clashes. My other thought is that when you highlight a show it tells you which category it belongs to, whilst movies seem more interested in who's in them rather than what they're about, so possibly a Meta data issue-ie it isn't specific enough with the way it tags movies so if it knows you like movies the only way it would be handle that is record every movie, or none. I'm guessing now, and my understanding of how it works might be wrong.

I have the same issue with hd, but have had some recorded-a need for extra space is the only cross over I can think of.

Chad 05-06-2012 22:38

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Glad for your time and interest in the matter Andy.

I would have thought identifying movies would have been fairly easy for TiVo. Movies just like TV shows have categories, sub-categories and a list of actors. Maybe because the info listed on movies can be very in depth, especially actor info, it takes the TiVo box longer to figure out which actors and actresses and genres I like and dislike.

It would be great to hear from someone at Virgin to confirm what the issue is.

dazed&confused 06-06-2012 16:43

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Couple of points.

Any idea why the films on Sky anytime don't have subtitles, although they were there when screened on Sky movies ?

Also I've been recording Harrys Law on Universal +1, but the last recording was totally pixilated, also missed the last 2 shows in the previous series for the same reason. Universal is fine, and plus 1 comes back after a reboot.

BenMcr 06-06-2012 16:49

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Originally Posted by dazed&confused (Post 35437665)
Any idea why the films on Sky anytime don't have subtitles, although they were there when screened on Sky movies ?

Difference in technology - none of the VoD on Virgin has subtitles apart from iPlayer (due that being via the app rather than the VoD system)

dazed&confused 06-06-2012 16:51

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Thanks Ben
getting a bit mutton these days, so can't pick out a lot of the accents
:confused:

Risco 06-06-2012 20:23

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When is the next code drop?

Henkesghost 06-06-2012 21:11

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Originally Posted by Risco (Post 35437745)
When is the next code drop?

Don't know mate, but rumour on Digital Spy was that reminders will launch in the next one, hope so.

denphone 06-06-2012 21:15

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Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35437761)
Don't know mate, but rumour on Digital Spy was that reminders will launch in the next one, hope so.

l think that code drop is a few months away yet Henke from what my sources are telling me.:)

paultrademark 06-06-2012 23:54

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September I reckon

heavyside 07-06-2012 07:24

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Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35437761)
Don't know mate, but rumour on Digital Spy was that reminders will launch in the next one, hope so.

It's no longer rumour. VM have confirmed that reminders will be back with the next major software update. It was posted on the VM site and somewhere back in this very thread. Call me old-fashioned but it's something I miss and still use on my bedroom V+ box.

naeskydish 07-06-2012 11:37

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Most years I have taken up the full sky premier package which includes all the movies and keep it for a few months recording movies to watch at my leisure after I cancel the package.

That worked fine with my V HD + Box, but not with TIVO which advised I could not watch any of the movies recorded as I was not subscribed. Fair doos, but I was dissapointed that I hadn't checked this out before hand. I then reduced my TIVO box from 75% full down to 45%

I could instead have watched more movies under Sky anytime than I did. This for me is another example on how my viewing habits have changed since have having Tivo. I'll adapt but I still l think Tivo is a great improvement to what I had.

carlwaring 07-06-2012 11:53

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Originally Posted by naeskydish (Post 35437900)
Most years I have taken up the full sky premier package which includes all the movies and keep it for a few months recording movies to watch at my leisure after I cancel the package.

That worked fine with my V HD + Box, but not with TIVO which advised I could not watch any of the movies recorded as I was not subscribed.

Actually, I think you'll find that it works that way on the V+ too now :( It was changed some time ago, AIUI, at the insistence of Sky.

BenMcr 07-06-2012 12:02

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Indeed, changed last November

mhatter67 07-06-2012 21:50

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Anybody else getting new planned express series links recordings scheduled even though the series that you're watching is over( set new episodes only). In my case it is the series Alcatraz on Watch, it finished this Tuesday and it is showing me new recording in 2 weeks time?

Henkesghost 07-06-2012 21:54

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Originally Posted by mhatter67 (Post 35438126)
Anybody else getting new planned express series links recordings scheduled even though the series that you're watching is over( set new episodes only). In my case it is the series Alcatraz on Watch, it finished this Tuesday and it is showing me new recording in 2 weeks time?

Yep, got it with Modern Family, again link was New episodes only but it set up recordings despite series being finished.

Arthurgray50@blu 07-06-2012 22:09

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My TiVo has been driving me mad for the past couple of days, there's been a message on my box saying ' call 150, there is no signal going to the box'.

We have contacted VM, but there general comment is, it will go right in a minute, or reboot, or its the weather.

Each we have switched over to Skysat, and the picture has been perfect, again today same thing phased and freezing pictures, same message, contacted VM and the attitude was crap, engineer is coming on Saturday to repair. Discount £1.50 what a joke.

It cannot be the weather VM have said, but surely they have these giant dishes that transmit the pictures down the cable for us. Any ideas what could be wrong - crackly picture then goes totally.

carlwaring 07-06-2012 23:10

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Originally Posted by mhatter67 (Post 35438126)
Anybody else getting new planned express series links recordings scheduled even though the series that you're watching is over( set new episodes only). In my case it is the series Alcatraz on Watch, it finished this Tuesday and it is showing me new recording in 2 weeks time?

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Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35438128)
Yep, got it with Modern Family, again link was New episodes only but it set up recordings despite series being finished.

This is not a fault. The problem is that the episodes in question will have generic data and so Tivo doesn't know whether it's a new or old episode. Nearer the time it should fill-in with more accurate data and will then follow the rule set.

mhatter67 08-06-2012 01:03

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35438168)
This is not a fault. The problem is that the episodes in question will have generic data and so Tivo doesn't know whether it's a new or old episode. Nearer the time it should fill-in with more accurate data and will then follow the rule set.

Had an episode of the Middle did not follow this rule set, series finished but upcoming episode this past Monday morning was set to record by series link, recorded it and you guessed it it was a repeat:confused:

Mad Max 08-06-2012 01:35

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The only thing i don't really like about the TiVo is the pishy peanut remote control, it's a disaster! One of the worst remote controls i've ever had, imo it's awkward to use and just doesn't "sit right" when you handle it, so come on Virgin, give us something decent to operate what really is a cracking set top box.

jempalmer 08-06-2012 01:53

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35438212)
The only thing i don't really like about the TiVo is the pishy peanut remote control, it's a disaster! One of the worst remote controls i've ever had, imo it's awkward to use and just doesn't "sit right" when you handle it, so come on Virgin, give us something decent to operate what really is a cracking set top box.

Re. Tivo remote. It has a tendency to fall off the arm of your chair/settee. It could do with a flatter bottom (underside). Google tivo qwerty remote.

denphone 08-06-2012 07:05

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Two apps added to TiVo app section.

Living the dream.

Aviva Athletics

Henkesghost 08-06-2012 07:49

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Originally Posted by jempalmer (Post 35438216)
Re. Tivo remote. It has a tendency to fall off the arm of your chair/settee. It could do with a flatter bottom (underside). Google tivo qwerty remote.

Sounds like my mrs :(

carlwaring 08-06-2012 09:35

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Originally Posted by mhatter67 (Post 35438208)
Had an episode of the Middle did not follow this rule set, series finished but upcoming episode this past Monday morning was set to record by series link, recorded it and you guessed it it was a repeat:confused:

Yes. Like I said. Whatever you have the SL set to, episodes with generic data will always be recorded.

Perfect Choice 08-06-2012 10:45

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35438253)
Yes. Like I said. Whatever you have the SL set to, episodes with generic data will always be recorded.

Agreed which is a weakness of Tivo, never had this issue with V+ but Tivo schedules recording based in programme content I believe so even when set for “new only” on recordings, it will record a programme when there is only generic information available.

My son records a programme (Wipeout USA I think) for which there is only 1 new episode per week, but there are 3 lots of repeats per week as well and Tivo records every one despite “new Only” being selected. So every week we have to delete the repeats after they have been recorded or go into “Planned Recordings” and delete the scheduled future recordings.

A real nuisance I have to say and something Tivo and its programme content providers need to eliminate. I would propose an option for users to select “do not record if generic content programme information available” is added to Tivo recording settings and could be invoked for an individual series link to deal with the odd case like this.

I believe VM did do some work last year in reducing instances like this since they were certainly much more common from my perspective. However I now only have the 1 instance of repeat recordings I do not want as detailed above. I think there is a web site still available where you could actually log instances such as this, has been done in my case but problem still remains for me.

RobboEdin 08-06-2012 11:12

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Originally Posted by jempalmer (Post 35438216)
Re. Tivo remote. It has a tendency to fall off the arm of your chair/settee. It could do with a flatter bottom (underside). Google tivo qwerty remote.

It has quite a flat top. Try putting it buttons down on the arm of your chair.

carlwaring 08-06-2012 11:32

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Originally Posted by Perfect Choice (Post 35438289)
Agreed which is a weakness of Tivo, never had this issue with V+

That would be because the V+ only ever recorded exactly what you told it to and didn't have the intelligence that Tivo does. An intelligence which, I admit, is only as good as the meta-data it uses. That said, would you rather it record an episode and it be a repeat or not record it and miss a new episode? :)
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Originally Posted by Perfect Choice (Post 35438289)
A real nuisance I have to say and something Tivo and its programme content providers need to eliminate.

Oh I agree completely. But then I don't think the problem will ever be completely eliminated. I accept that no technology is perfect and some user-interaction will always be required.

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Originally Posted by Perfect Choice (Post 35438289)
I would propose an option for users to select “do not record if generic content programme information available” is added to Tivo recording settings and could be invoked for an individual series link to deal with the odd case like this.

No thanks or, unless it gets updated before broadcast, my Tivo would not record "A Town Called Eureka" next Wednesday as it currently only has generic data and yet I know it is a new episode.

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Originally Posted by Perfect Choice (Post 35438289)
I think there is a web site still available where you could actually log instances such as this, has been done in my case but problem still remains for me.

There is now an email address for this; TivoGuideErrorsATvirginmedia.co.uk

Perfect Choice 08-06-2012 12:31

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35438330)

No thanks or, unless it gets updated before broadcast, my Tivo would not record "A Town Called Eureka" next Wednesday as it currently only has generic data and yet I know it is a new episode.

The idea was a user option to activitate per series link not global so if you know your series link needs to record everything to capture a new episode then don't invoke it.

This whole issue comes down to Tivo trying to be too intelligent, sometimes the basic functions of V+ is all that users require and V+ never recorded repeats.

BenMcr 08-06-2012 12:36

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It's not about being clever or not, it's about the concept of what a PVR is

For TiVo it's about the content i.e. you want to record 'Eureka' not 'Whatever is on Channel 4 at 8pm on a Wednesday'

For the V+ it's the other way around for the most part - when you set something to record you are doing it based on the time/date more than what the show is

carlwaring 08-06-2012 13:07

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Originally Posted by Perfect Choice (Post 35438376)
The idea was a user option to activitate per series link not global so if you know your series link needs to record everything to capture a new episode then don't invoke it.

Okay. Fair enough. However, isn't it preferable that it records when it shouldn't as opposed to not recording when it should? :confused: So that option isn't really needed.

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This whole issue comes down to Tivo trying to be too intelligent, sometimes the basic functions of V+ is all that users require and V+ never recorded repeats.
And sometimes didn't record new either. So like I said, technology isn't perfect :)

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35438380)
For TiVo it's about the content i.e. you want to record 'Eureka' not 'Whatever is on Channel 4 at 8pm on a Wednesday'

Nearly. It's on SyFy at 9pm ;)

Perfect Choice 08-06-2012 15:04

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35438380)
It's not about being clever or not, it's about the concept of what a PVR is

For TiVo it's about the content i.e. you want to record 'Eureka' not 'Whatever is on Channel 4 at 8pm on a Wednesday'

For the V+ it's the other way around for the most part - when you set something to record you are doing it based on the time/date more than what the show is

Understand the principle of content based searching and would be happy with that approach if TiVo did it properly. Content based services are subject to the quality of the content source and that is clearly lacking thus reason why generic content seems to appear on some programmes and we get this mess. The issue is Tivo works on assuming a “perfect source of information” which is not reality and it handles the lack of specific programme content information poorly.

I am actually looking forward to content based searching which is really of use i.e. when Tivo has access to content based sources rather than channels. On the subject of movies for example, I remember a demo of the Tivo Premier in the USA search for movies across all its sources namely Netflex as well as channel sources, so searching for content from any source.

Happy when Tivo gets there, but still waiting and content access to films is just one area I feel Tivo is looking like it is getting left behind with TV/Xbox/PS3 having film access sources and then I also have to watch those iPad users travelling back on the train from London watching their programmes taken from their Sky box. Catch-up please Tivo!

denphone 08-06-2012 15:17

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The Music Search app is now in Apps & Games.

BenMcr 08-06-2012 15:18

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Should also be in the 'Music On Demand' menu too

carlwaring 08-06-2012 15:21

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Originally Posted by Perfect Choice (Post 35438450)
The issue is Tivo works on assuming a “perfect source of information” ...

Nonsense. Tivo isn't "assuming" anything. Remember GIGO?

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which is not reality and it handles the lack of specific programme content information poorly.
How else could it handle it? :confused:

"Is this a 'new' episode? No idea. I'd better record it anyway, just in case."

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me :)

LexDiamond 08-06-2012 15:28

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Originally Posted by Perfect Choice (Post 35438450)
Understand the principle of content based searching and would be happy with that approach if TiVo did it properly. Content based services are subject to the quality of the content source and that is clearly lacking thus reason why generic content seems to appear on some programmes and we get this mess. The issue is Tivo works on assuming a “perfect source of information” which is not reality and it handles the lack of specific programme content information poorly.

I am actually looking forward to content based searching which is really of use i.e. when Tivo has access to content based sources rather than channels. On the subject of movies for example, I remember a demo of the Tivo Premier in the USA search for movies across all its sources namely Netflex as well as channel sources, so searching for content from any source.

Happy when Tivo gets there, but still waiting and content access to films is just one area I feel Tivo is looking like it is getting left behind with TV/Xbox/PS3 having film access sources and then I also have to watch those iPad users travelling back on the train from London watching their programmes taken from their Sky box. Catch-up please Tivo!

What programmes do Sky users get on their iPads?

zantarous 08-06-2012 15:38

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Originally Posted by Perfect Choice (Post 35438289)
Agreed which is a weakness of Tivo, never had this issue with V+ but Tivo schedules recording based in programme content I believe so even when set for “new only” on recordings, it will record a programme when there is only generic information available.

No but unless things have changed a lot in the last year the V+ series links were rubbish. They would miss episodes, couldn't cope very well with time changes, some times would stop halfway through a series. Some long dormant links would suddenly start recording repeats but totally ignore new episodes.

At least with TiVo you have a much better chance at getting your shows recorded, it ain't perfect but IMO way better then what we had before.

trickytree 08-06-2012 15:56

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Originally Posted by LexDiamond (Post 35438476)
What programmes do Sky users get on their iPads?

Just Sky Go/Anytime which blows anything Virgin have like that out of the water

Itshim 08-06-2012 16:31

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Have had a couple of phantom "records"

The one I recall was last week the boss likes Royal pains on Universal .

It came up as being recorded & as a new episode. It was neither,because it simply was not on. A quick check on web site & its was not on at all. Why TiVo thought is a mystery .

zantarous 08-06-2012 17:04

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Tried out the new music app and thought it was pretty nice and well laid out and far quicker the. Search on a V+ box.

denphone 08-06-2012 17:06

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Yes l tried it as well and l have to admit l was well impressed.:tu:

spiderplant 08-06-2012 17:18

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35438463)
Should also be in the 'Music On Demand' menu too

Not yet! But is it on red button on channel 300.

Perfect Choice 08-06-2012 17:52

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35438468)
Nonsense. Tivo isn't "assuming" anything. Remember GIGO?


How else could it handle it? :confused:

"Is this a 'new' episode? No idea. I'd better record it anyway, just in case."

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me :)

Change “assuming” to “dependant” then if that makes you feel better.

Sounds perfectly unreasonable to me. Content based only programming needs accurate data and Tivo is still to getting that from its content service provider.
If you want to regard something a reasonable which does not work properly then that is up to you, strange!

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Originally Posted by zantarous (Post 35438486)
No but unless things have changed a lot in the last year the V+ series links were rubbish. They would miss episodes, couldn't cope very well with time changes, some times would stop halfway through a series. Some long dormant links would suddenly start recording repeats but totally ignore new episodes.

At least with TiVo you have a much better chance at getting your shows recorded, it ain't perfect but IMO way better then what we had before.

Accepted zantarous, forget the shortfalls of V+ since was an early adopter of Tivo. Time change issue still applies to Tivo though.

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Originally Posted by trickytree (Post 35438502)
Just Sky Go/Anytime which blows anything Virgin have like that out of the water

Agreed for now. Tivo doesn't have anything yet, we are still waiting for it. Sky have been smart here getting "off-line" viewing going for people who want to watch "on the go" or in my example, find something to do for a 2 hour train journey which is what I would welcome. Tivo is promising more when it arrives i.e. streaming between multiple TIVOs but we are still waiting despite the code update many months ago, which provided the enabler for this.

zantarous 08-06-2012 18:03

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I was just having a look at next weeks Eureka and even though it has a generic synopsis its is still tagged with it being Season 5 episode 5 so would still be treated as a new episode.

passingbat 08-06-2012 18:09

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Originally Posted by Perfect Choice (Post 35438552)
Agreed for now. Tivo doesn't have anything yet, we are still waiting for it. Sky have been smart here getting "off-line" viewing going for people who want to watch "on the go" or in my example, find something to do for a 2 hour train journey which is what I would welcome. Tivo is promising more when it arrives i.e. streaming between multiple TIVOs but we are still waiting despite the code update many months ago, which provided the enabler for this.

You may have got these things quicker if VM/Tivo hadn't spent their time and money working on redundant, out of date, legacy features, such as reminders?

Just my opinion.

Perfect Choice 08-06-2012 18:10

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Now that is another issue!

Would prefer smaller feature enhancement updates rather than 1 major update which seems to be the way things are heading.

denphone 08-06-2012 18:13

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35438580)
You may have got these things quicker if VM/Tivo hadn't spent their time and money working on redundant, out of date, legacy features, such as reminders?

Just my opinion.

Oh dear PB.:sniper::D

passingbat 08-06-2012 19:02

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35438587)
Oh dear PB.:sniper::D

I tried to resist. Honest! ;):D

carlwaring 08-06-2012 19:06

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Originally Posted by Perfect Choice (Post 35438552)
Sounds perfectly unreasonable to me. Content based only programming needs accurate data and Tivo is still to getting that from its content service provider.

If you want to regard something a reasonable which does not work properly then that is up to you, strange!

99% of my SL's work as expected 99% of the time.

To expect perfection from anything is strange.

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Originally Posted by zantarous (Post 35438570)
I was just having a look at next weeks Eureka and even though it has a generic synopsis its is still tagged with it being Season 5 episode 5 so would still be treated as a new episode.

Fair enough. Didn't look too closely :) My point still stands, though. Better to record it and not need it than need it and not record it.

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35438580)
You may have got these things quicker if VM/Tivo hadn't spent their time and money working on redundant, out of date, legacy features, such as reminders?

Quite :p:

spiderplant 08-06-2012 19:56

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35438542)
Its on my 'Music On Demand' menu SP.

Typical VM, delivering early :rolleyes: ;)

mhatter67 08-06-2012 19:59

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One thing sticking up for TiVo though, I have my first WishList set search find a film i wanted to record and set it up in my programme schedule! :)

devilincarnate 08-06-2012 20:18

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35438630)

To expect perfection from anything is strange.

I'm perfect but very strange:erm:

carlwaring 08-06-2012 20:50

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:disturbd:

Perfect Choice 08-06-2012 20:53

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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35438630)
99% of my SL's work as expected 99% of the time.

To expect perfection from anything is strange.[COLOR="Silver"]

Never said perfection, but to put up with an annoying Tivo shortfall is foolish IMHO, you really don't have to feel obliged to defend Tivo in every aspect!

Right now, Tivo is starting to feel "behind the curve" on innovation(see other comments earlier), time to catch up VM or am I starting to talk myself into wanting a Sky+ box!

Perfect Choice 08-06-2012 22:54

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Just used new music app, must say I like it so one up for VM then! Now what VM really need to do now is to have a link to buy music online but that would require a browser interface on Tivo!

carlwaring 08-06-2012 23:10

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Originally Posted by Perfect Choice (Post 35438694)
you really don't have to feel obliged to defend Tivo in every aspect!

So when you said...
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Originally Posted by Perfect Choice (Post 35438289)
A real nuisance I have to say and something Tivo and its programme content providers need to eliminate.

And I replied...
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Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35438330)
Oh I agree completely.

How is that "defending Tivo"? :confused::rolleyes:

I was merely stating that if you expect perfection, especially in technology, then you are going to be disappointed.

Nowhere did I state that Tivo could not be better.

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Right now, Tivo is starting to feel "behind the curve" on innovation (see other comments earlier), time to catch up VM or am I starting to talk myself into wanting a Sky+ box!
Well if you want to go back to something as "dumb" as Sky+ or V+ then no-one's stopping you. Personally, I'm happy with my superior, if not perfect, Tivo.

Telly_ 08-06-2012 23:18

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So the TiVo reminders were "coming in the next code drop" back in February its now June have they arrived yet?

BenMcr 08-06-2012 23:19

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No because the next major code drop hasn't happened yet

Telly_ 08-06-2012 23:44

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35438755)
No because the next major code drop hasn't happened yet

Oh ok, will it happen before February 2013?

BenMcr 08-06-2012 23:55

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Yup

Telly_ 09-06-2012 00:18

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Originally Posted by Telly Bear (Post 35438767)
Oh ok, will it happen before February 2013?

Wellthats great news for TiVo users, they were told about it in February 2012 and it will land before February 2013.

Will it be released before July 2012 ends?

carlwaring 09-06-2012 00:36

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Do you really have nothing else to worry about? I wish I had your life :)

paultrademark 09-06-2012 00:39

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I reckon it will be September

Telly_ 09-06-2012 00:45

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Originally Posted by paultrademark (Post 35438783)
I reckon it will be September

Yeah seems like a reasonable length of time for testing then running a beta then full release. I would say September is a good call. Although anything sooner will be great for TiVo users.


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