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The Met Commissioner has resigned.

This makes me think, along with the recent scandals with Ali Dizaei, Martin Tiplady, Tarique Ghaffur and other scandals that there is something very, very wrong at the heart of the Metropolitan Police.

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Ok if you have not done anything wrong and are denying any allegations of wrong doing - why resign? ... Something not right at all here ... :erm:

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This story runs and runs. The scale of it far exceeds anything anyone was expecting. It does appear the main story is at Scotland Yard and the degree to which they favoured News International in the original investigation and to decide not to reopen the case in 2009. Another one resigns. Who else is next?

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The Murdoch's and then perhaps David Cameron.

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We're in danger of running out of superlatives to describe this story. Mind you, even Gene Hunt knew taking bungs was wrong ...

The fact that there are a seemingly significant number of coppers in the modern Met - not in Gene Hunt's caricature of the 70s or 80s but the real, modern police service - that are willing to take bribes to pass on confidential information to the Press is a side of this story that has escaped scrutiny so far, as we've all been busy putting the boot in to Rupert Murdoch.

But, as others have observed, there seems to be a storm coming. Respect to Stephenson for falling on his sword, unlike Brooks, who hung around like a bad smell a good while after it was obvious to everyone outside the News Corp boardroom that her position was untenable.

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LOL Boris Johnson just now on Sky news, "I am very glad, sorry I am very sad that Stephenson has gone"... LOL LOL LOL @ dear Boris ...

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Next up to the guillotine, Cameron.

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We called it a Firestorm but now its seems like the nuclear button has been pressed in this crisis.

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I have to say I am loving this. It seems we will have a lot of corruption dealt with in the police, especially those who work too closely with the media for personal gain, and a much healthier relationship should hopefully be put in it's place. There needs to be a relationship but it's meant to be the media helping the police in investigations and the police in turn providing deep background for the journalists reporting the cases. It's not meant to be an additional revenue stream for police by selling privates details of people's lives.

It looks like Murdoch will never wield the same degree of power he has had over successive governments. He could never swing an election but he certainly was a powerful, but expensive, campaigning tool for successive governments. He probably got quite a lot in return from Labour and the Tories over the years to the determent of UK citizens who do not own a media empire.

Hopefully we will also get a more effective PCC and a more responsible press as well. All the while it appears there will be a slew of people who have contributed to the police/media corruption - which really is a bigger deal than I think we have been stating - and the phone hacking removed from their posts. Maybe even seeing the inside of a prison cell.

I really hope there will be a better country at the end of all this awaiting us. One in which the media are held to the same standards they hold others too.

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Here, here.:clap:

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Hackgate - THE MOVIE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFufr...layer_embedded

Inspired casting :D

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Excellent little clip and this scandal makes the Profumo scandal seem like a tea party.

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Whoah. Another one gone.


I have to wonder whether it would be better for an outside force to conduct the current investigation, rather than the Met...

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Apologies for the link coming from the Daily Mail but this is quite a good article.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...-business.html

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A excellent idea.

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Who could do it?

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I have no idea, but I certainly don't trust the Met to carry out a full, proper, and impartial investigation.

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Seems that Tom Watson MP, one of the few heroes in this sorry saga, called for such a thing back in January...

Guardian story

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Denphone :D

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While honoured to have my name mentioned l feel there on others on this forum who are more qualified for the job.;):D;)

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Derek?

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He'd probably have them all lynched, but I nominate Arthurgray..

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Is that the option Vince Cable was discussing? :)

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And these are the headlines this morning and the question is what is going to happen next.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/ju...-david-cameron

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...g-scandal.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...g-scandal.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...s-Murdoch.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...r-2315405.html

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Want to place a bet on that, because i dont :LOL:


I can see Cameron being dragged screaming right into the middle of this whether he wants it or not.

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Whats the odds of James Murdoch being arrested today conveniently just a day before tomorrows hearing.

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Who knows? But this interesting snippet can be be found in a Wiki on Rupert Murdock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch

David Cameron

In August 2008 British Conservative leader and future Prime Minister David Cameron accepted free flights to hold private talks and attend private parties with Murdoch on his yacht, the Rosehearty.[57] Cameron has declared in the Commons register of interests he accepted a private plane provided by Murdoch's son-in-law, public relations guru Matthew Freud; Cameron has not revealed his talks with Murdoch. The gift of travel in Freud's Gulfstream IV private jet was valued at around £30,000. Other guests attending the "social events" included the then EU trade commissioner Lord Mandelson, the Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska and co-chairman of NBC Universal Ben Silverman. The Conservatives have not disclosed what was discussed.[58]

In July 2011 it emerged that Cameron met key executives of Murdoch's News Corporation 26 times during the 14 months that Cameron had served as Prime Minister.[59] It was also reported that Murdoch had given Cameron a personal guarantee that there would be no risk attached to hiring the ex-editor of the News of the World Andy Coulson as the Conservative Party's communication director in 2007.[60] This was in spite of Coulson having resigned as editor over phone hacking by a reporter. Cameron chose to take Murdoch's advice, despite warnings from Nick Clegg, Lord Ashdown and The Guardian.[61] Coulson resigned his post in 2011 and was later arrested and questioned on allegations of further criminal activity at The News of the World.

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That's nothing new ... Much was made of it in the media at the time.

I do think Cameron's position is looking increasingly compromised though.

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...the-press.html

You wonder just how deep this corruption, and selling details to the media is corruption, goes in the police force?

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More damaging did other police forces in the world hold similar views interpol etc.

How much impact these views crippled investigations as they was deemed untrustworthy with sensitive information due fear of corruption.

I agree you do wonder how deep and far if the corruption actually just present in scotland yard alone or further spread throughout uk. If it that widespread can we trust an investigation to be impartual not bury it.

Infact can we trust polititians when we know many are in his pocket fear this more rooted than when the mafia bought politians/police years back in US/Italy.

I said further in these post what role has murdock been in deciding our governments policies from thatcher, blair, brown and now cameron.

Should there be investigation setup to look into for all these former and 1 current Prime Minister activities.

I cant believe Murdocks knew nothing of the hacking I can believe critical information or policy making was not done in these secret talks either that helped murdock to even more power.

I think the police issue despite serious is side show to the real damage which will rock the very foundations of this countries political power.

The cynic in me is brooks been arrested to keep her gob shut before she squeals and rats up her close allies. Can we trust the new investigation is just patsy to keep the baying public happy will just scratch the surface get couple big hitters then get wound up if it gets too close to unravalling the truth.

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That is true, however it will be viewed in a rather different context now!

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The Cameron/Coulson thing isn't a big issue for me. He is no longer in government and while it was a poor decision by Cameron to hire him in the first place that's not really too bad. It's not as if he hired him with criminal intent or will full knowledge of how involved he is now alleged to have been. He isn't the first nor will he be the last to make a poor choice in hiring someone.

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I don't think anything is definite yet. With new allegations and revelations seemingly emerging everyday, I wouldn't be surprised if something new will come to light. However, as it currently stands it is alleged that Cameron was ordered by Murdoch to employ Coulson, if that is true, then what else did Murdoch order Cameron to do and why did Cameron obey?

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l agree that his position as Prime Minister has to be questioned because of his poor judgemement especially under Andy Coulson.

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Coulson is a red herring. He worked for the News of the Screws a long time ago and left Cameron's employ long before the current scandal blew up. We have all made bad decisions from time to time. Not everything is a critical issue, no matter how often the leader of the Opposition might claim it is.

The far more worrying issue is Cameron's long term, and continuing friendship with that nasty piece of work Rebekah Brooks, and by extension the Murdochs themselves. Still worse is the prospect that the Commissioner of the Met had concerns about sharing operational information with the Prime Minister because of the PM's social connections.

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No its been my clear intent not be bring party politics into it because Labour can't be crowing because of their close alliances before with certain people but yes l still think there is a lot more to come out yet and more heads will yet roll l suspect and Cameron's not out of the woods by any chalk yet and it seems he still wants to be close to them socially as you have said and in my mind that is extremely unwise in the present climate and in the future climate.

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It is a bit disingenuous to assume that just because Coulson "resigned" from Number Ten, it disengages him from Cameron and this whole sorry mess. I know that is what the plan is, for everyone to resign with the hope that no one will notice, but I don't think that even the Great British Public are that naive.

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As you said, something new would have to come to light for this to seriously damage Cameron. This scandal does damage him a bit as all negative press accumulates to create a negative picture eventually, but I don't think it's much more than. It's akin to all the mini-scandals that enveloped Blair in the early years. Takes the shine off but never caused a serious problem for him.

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I missed this....

Like I said previously the biggest scandal here is not the relatively begin, albeit disgusting, phone hacking allegations but the suggestion that the police were routinely bribed for information, that the leaders of Met enjoyed a close relationship with the senior executives at News International even while they were under investigation, and that these led to the police to decide against a proper investigation twice because they feared it would harm their relationship with News International. That News Corp felt they could operate above the law, and actually did for a while, is the biggest scandal of it all and hopefully that will be outed and those involved punished with safeguards to ensure it can never happen again.

If it turns out the PM was also involved then that's even worse.

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You appear to be assigning things to me that I have not said ... Par for the course.

I'm not looking for disengagement, I'm appealing for context and proportionality. Not something that comes easily to party hacks, but a useful skill all the same.

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But that's suggesting that there is no more to learn, I suspect there is much more we haven't heard yet. I think Coulson has a lot more to say, as does Brooks. She did say that, over the next year, more things will become apparent and Coulson said, "there's a lot I'd like to say, but I can't....;" was that "just yet," or "ever?"

But has the public had their fill of these things? Cash for questions, staying in hotels, trips in private jets, cash for honours, cozy chats with news proprietors, expenses, paying off prostitutes, undisclosed gifts, funding from questionable sources etc., it all adds up and there is a breaking point.

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I suspect that's more to do with internal News International matters than the Cameron. As you say your depending on stuff 'we haven't heard of yet'. Let's at least wait until we have heard them before seriously speculating on the damage done.

If that were the case we would have reached breaking points years ago. Governments have their own breaking point eventually where the scandal becomes too much but the Conservatives are no where near that level yet. New Labour pretty much never reached that point - they were voted out because the economy and fatigue with the same administration for a decade more than scandal.

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But life would be very boring if we couldn't speculate, at least a little bit. :D

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Looks like John Yates is going to resign according to LBC news. It'll be interesting to hear what he has to say about all this.

The spotlight's certainly on the Met. for now but I don't suppose I'm the only one who detects more that a hint of hypocrisy and double standards on the part of some of our leading politicians whose morals and judgement has been found equally wanting but who didn't feel the need to resign or even apologise sincerely for what they got up to.

Keith Vaz questioned the veracity of Andy Hayman's evidence to the select committee the other day. I invite anyone who's interested to do a quick search on Mr Vaz and his past before taking his judgement on anything too seriously.

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John Yates has resigned as assistant police commissioner.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/blog...-live-coverage

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ng-crisis.html

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Maybe Jesus will also resign, he seems to be one of the very few who haven't yet.

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As important as it is for the relationship between politicians and the press to be as clean as it can and i have my doubts it will ever be really clean given the two party's one being power hungry and prepared to do what it takes to get power and the other being hungry for dirt to dish. For me the most important thing right now is to clear up the police once and for all because the relationship between the met and the press is very disturbing as we cannot kick the met out at an election.

I have no doubt there is much more to come on this and by the time it is all done and dusted ed "hero" milliband won't be shouting so loud as there are as many skeletons in labours closet in all this as the tories. Cameron made a mistake in hiring coulson not argument there but remember no one gets that level of job without checks being made and those must have come up clean because cameron is not that big an idiot to have taken him on knowing he failed those checks.

We have to be careful here though because we may well lose a lot in return for this cleanup, we have to keep a free press and one that is not hindered overly by legislation. We cannot also have a situation where police and politicians are petrified of being seen working with the press in case of whatever. Proper checks and balances need to be put in to protect all sides in this without any side losing more then they have too to prevent this state of affairs happening again.

A good start is to make sure media ownage is never slanted to the degree it has been and to make sure there is even balance in the media with no one group able to ever exert on anyone influence that is detrimental.

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i bet camerons bum is twitching ;)

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Interesting pieces in the Guardian about what Nick clegg should do in regards to David Cameron and his government and what Michael White thinks.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-david-cameron

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/b...agement-skills


And one here from the Daily Fail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ng-crisis.html

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Labour MP Dennis Skinner branded Prime Minister Cameron "dodgy Dave" today as the escalating Establishment scandal cast a huge cloud over 10 Downing Street.
Mr Skinner declared: "It is getting closer and closer to the Prime Minister and the centre of government.
"We have Rupert Murdoch's key lieutenants resigning with Rebekah Brooks arrested and Coulson arrested.
"There's only dodgy Dave still at large."
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just saw the above exchange of views in parliament on sky news

the pm's reputation is going down the pan

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Yes please. Easiest job ever.

A simple reminder to all higher ranks that the same rules apply to all should do it.

If I accepted a gift from someone I was investigating I would be out a job. Just because they haven't been on the streets for many years doesn't exempt them from the rules.

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And Sir Hugh as your loyal assistant.:)



Thats right as no one whoever they are should be exempt from the rules as you cannot have one rule for them and one one role for us normal beings.

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So much so, he has cut his jolly to South Africa short.

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Oooohhh God, just had a scary thought....If "Dave" really was to go, that would mean that Clegg would be left in charge. It really doesn't bear thinking about. :eek:

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The reporter who started this whole thing by stating that hacking at NOTW went deeper than previously thought has been found dead. This death is not being treated as suspicious.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...rld-sean-hoare

RIP.

Not sure where this leaves the police with regards to Coulson. Presumably they would have wanted to call on him to give evidence.

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The PM is not on a 'jolly' he is on a government business trip to SA to engage in important trade deals between the two countries.

The Deputy PM doesn't take charge and or replace the role of an absent PM through either resignation or illness and or incapacitation.

From Wiki:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deputy_...United_Kingdom

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Good grief ! Whatever next.

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Not yet. Wait till someone sees a helicopter flew overhead at some point in the last week and it'll be another government murder/cover-up.

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Channel 4 promising big story tonight. 7pm Channel 4.

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Not be treated as suspicious by the police. The Internet on the other hand...

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[QUOTE=Mick;35275098]The PM is not on a 'jolly' he is on a government business trip to SA to engage in important trade deals between the two countries.



he's very conspicuous by his absence ;)

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Channel 4 lied.

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In the time it took me to take the kids to a seaside disco and bring them home again, the assistant commissioner has walked and the NOTW whistleblower has apparently topped himself. What did C4 lie about? There seem to be plenty of big stories about just now...

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Mean while in other shock news the moon is round :)

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That there was an exclusive. To be fair they didn't lie but the way they presented it 'Major Channel 4 exclusive' led me to believe they meant a story, it was a interview with one of targets of NOTW.

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Yet another good story from The New York Times on the matter:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/wo...actics.html?hp

Nothing immediately quotable from the article but it's about how they tried to pre-empt the scandal.

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Yeah right.

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Looks like the suns website has been hacked

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How?

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Ah ... I see it now. Wait for the homepage to finish loading.

Classic. :D

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http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/18/lul...h-death-story/


Ha ha :D

www.thesun.co.uk

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Hold on, it's almost 6am - where's denphone with the usual selection of links to headlines that we could always just find ourselves?! ;)

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Its alright Russ as l am a bit late this morning as l have been helping my elderly parents and did not get home till late.

And here is the Denphone news channel this morning exclusive to certain forum members for the first month.:);):)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...k-2315871.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ndon-home.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...sh-power-elite

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-daughter.html

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That aside, isn't it a bit early to make that decision. The last time a "not being treated as suspicious" death occurred, we now have a police officer up for manslaughter.

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I was merely making the point that the police should have learned from past experiences when jumping to conclusions.

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Doesn't seem to me that they've jumped to any conclusions. They've stated that:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14194623

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Agreed but I want it to stay at that level.Not go off at a tangent.Hence the reminder.

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LOL - Stephenson is being flogged to death at this committee meeting this lunch time in front of MP's at the moment, so much so that he has just said.. "When I took over as Prime Minister."

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Who would have thought that 'Millie Dowler' has brought down some High profile people.

If it hadn't been for them Hacking her phone and giving False hope, nobody would have really given a dam that MPs & Celebs had there phone hack (I didn't care about MPs Celeb's), but Millie was the tipping point.

Murdoch's being questioned 2:30

Brookes being questioned 3:30

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He is saying that he went to visit The Guardian to ask why they continued to report on it after assurances were given. Not reflecting well on him.

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I still can't stand that Keith Vaz is allowed to question anyone on links to dodgyness and corruption.

Stephenson is having a bit of a disaster, his assurances that the rank and file Met were behind him were laughable, still fair play for ignoring Vaz's attempt to make a political comment regarding budget cuts.

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Question from Vaz to Stephenson:- How many former NotW employees currently work for the MET?

Stephenson: 10 - They work in the DPA (Department for public affairs)

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That's a rather large amount of former News international staff working for the MET..

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It's amazed me the Met has a PR dept with more than 50 people in it. Policing isn't a business FGS!!

A couple of people to put out press releases would do the job.

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Is the BBC feed screwed up for anyone else? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14193124

Just jumped from John Yates back to Paul Stephenson?

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I think we got quite a look into the workings of the MET today and it wasn't very good and doesn't show them in a good light. Hope they can sort this out because right now i have more faith in the keystone cops to sort things out then i have in the MET. I think it is time for an outside police force to take this over because as long as it is handled by the MET i don't think people will be completely happy or believe that everything that should will come out.

Sad state of affairs when you have such big doubts in a police force in this country.

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Vaz is just at the head of a committee which now seems very determined to apply standards of judgement and powers of hindsight to the police which many of their peers have failed miserably to live up to over the years whether it be in terms of the systematic abuse of expenses, cash for honours/questions or the sort of lies/spin which led us into the war in Iraq. Frankly their hypocrisy and opportunism make me sick!

As for the number of press related staff they employ, given its size, unique role and the extreme demands of today's news media it doesn't surprise me but I'd like to know how many similar staff other large forces employ?

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To lighten the mood a little in this section spitting image had Mr Murdoch sussed out more then 20 years ago.:D:D:D

http://www.democraticunderground.com...ess=385x599128

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It was out of a staff of 45. They were talking about the press department.

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Finally they got something out of this. There continued to be payments to Clive Goodman and Glen Mulcaire. Not amazingly new info though.

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Who attacked who?.. i looked away :(

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Someone tried to attack Murdoch, his wife stepped in and slapped the moron, think Murdoch was unharmed. What an idiot. Just detracts from the session and the focus on the illegality.

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Murdoch custard pie'd in the face perhaps. White substance involved.

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How do you sneak a plate of anything into the room?

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Hearing to reconvene without press or public - no word on whether the camera's will be allowed.

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Yes I know. I was asking, in response to Derek's point:

how many such staff would be employed in the press dept. of other large forces?

Anyway, given what looks like a paint attack on the Murdoch's, I wonder who's going to chair the soon to be announced enquiry into security measures at select committees.

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Attacker known as comedian Jonnie Marbles.

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He tweeted before he did it:

"It is a far better thing that I do now than I have ever done before #splat"

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Indeed.. this incident will probably be the main focus of the hearing, on the news..

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That probably sums up, better than anything anyone else could say, just what a sad loser this guy is.

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I haven't heard all of the session but has anyone else noticed the relative absence of smug, snide remarks on the part of the committee members questioning the Murdochs? It's all a bit different from the approach taken with various police personnel. I wonder why that is?...

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What a complete idiot.

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Different committee. It also seems they didn't want to appear to be conducting a witch hunt or to attack and miss the Murdochs.

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Rubbish. Tom Watson was the only member who had probing, proper questions and when it came back to him he was cut of by the chair as he was chasing down another promising line in Inquiry while other members were left to babble about if News Corp ever paid people in gift vouchers ffs.

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Yes, Vaz chairs the Home Affairs Select Committee which has been characterised by some very unnecessary comments. Anyway, so it's nothing at all to do with MPs feeling able to behave like silly children when dealing with senior police officials and other less influencial figures than the Murdochs then?

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Not sure what the above refers to :confused:

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Tom Watson was the only person there asking the real questions - After 3 hours and a custard pie disturbance - we are none the wiser.

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Definitely a absolute nutter for doing that and even though l despise the Murdoch's there is no excuse for that type of behavior.

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Perhaps our glorious leaders quite like us being none the wiser about what's been going on for years and their failure to act until they were forced to.

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Its seems that Neil Wallis was a formal adviser to Andy Coulson for the Conservatives before the election thus this is increasingly bringing David Cameron deeper into the crisis.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/blog...kah-brooks-mps

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14193124

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...king-live.html