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ahardie 06-01-2011 19:54
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35148327)
:

If the box is able to stream web content ( could VM be able to do a deal to get this applicable - the web versions of the channel E.G full web based i- player )

I hope so. I would think it was in VM's interest to give direct access to iplayer etc. through the tivo's modem as it would take strain off there on demand servers wouldn't it?

devilincarnate 06-01-2011 20:32
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ahardie (Post 35148345)
I hope so. I would think it was in VM's interest to give direct access to iplayer etc. through the tivo's modem as it would take strain off there on demand servers wouldn't it?
Yes that would be the best in my view is a they would be able to take link direct from the servers of E.G 4od, BBC i-player, ITV net player and others out there. To save the pressure on their OD servers.

zantarous 06-01-2011 21:16
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35148187)
It has... I have it ;)
If the device is only available to staff and those staff can't talk about it publicly then the device has not launched. Heck even prices for existing customer has yet to be announced.

Hugh 06-01-2011 21:51
Re: TiVo
 
Whoda thunk - marketeers stretching the truth........

Stuart 07-01-2011 03:26
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35148371)
Yes that would be the best in my view is a they would be able to take link direct from the servers of E.G 4od, BBC i-player, ITV net player and others out there. To save the pressure on their OD servers.
I can't see the likes of ITV and Channel 4 liking that. It's going to increase their bandwidth costs when VM already cache copies of the programming locally on their own od servers.

pauldavies83 07-01-2011 09:32
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35148562)
I can't see the likes of ITV and Channel 4 liking that. It's going to increase their bandwidth costs when VM already cache copies of the programming locally on their own od servers.
When it works :dozey:

Or they "have the rights" for it :(

muppetman11 07-01-2011 12:21
Re: TiVo
 
http://www.marketwire.com/press-rele...VO-1376603.htm

denise119 08-01-2011 20:26
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zantarous (Post 35148405)
Heck even prices for existing customer has yet to be announced.
Been trying to find out the existing customer prices myself recently as i'm out of contract 1st week in Feb and this TiVo box is the only thing that has prevented me switching to sky.

I asked @virginmedia on twitter for any info and got the following reply....

"No release date yet. Its £3 a month and there is a £40 install charge and £149 activation with it being a 1TB hard drive. PM"

So as good as £200 outlay to get started, i have to admit that i'm not prepared to pay such an amount after already paying out the same for a V+ box less than 12 months ago.

But before jumping over to sky i really would like to see confirmed pricing for us existing customers as i'm pretty sure the info posted on twitter could well be as reliable as the info given by customer services when you phone them (just pick a number and hope the customer is happy with it).

But until they announce when TiVo will be rolled out were not going to hear anything, and please don't claim roll out has started because that is simply not true as you cant roll out a product without releasing pricing information to the people you want to purchase it.

Yes some staff it appears do have the box up and running but at the end of the day your pretty much just beta testing it until their sure its good enough for us masses to get our hands on it.

Why can't virgin be straight with their customers and officially announce pricing instead of many people feeding us differing info?

If i end up leaving it will be a shame after all these years but i don't feel the need to show any loyalty to a company who are seemingly not prepared to do the same in return.

Stephen 08-01-2011 20:42
Re: TiVo
 
The pricing given by the twitter team is right.

The 500 staff are paying customers and they are the first to get it, and by doing that it's the start of the roll out. I can assure you they are not beta testers, there is a separate group of people that are in a testing team and will have had the boxes for a few months already. So that it was ready for the roll out to start.

Digital Fanatic 08-01-2011 20:48
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denise119 (Post 35149385)
Been trying to find out the existing customer prices myself recently as i'm out of contract 1st week in Feb and this TiVo box is the only thing that has prevented me switching to sky.

I asked @virginmedia on twitter for any info and got the following reply....

"No release date yet. Its £3 a month and there is a £40 install charge and £149 activation with it being a 1TB hard drive. PM"

So as good as £200 outlay to get started, i have to admit that i'm not prepared to pay such an amount after already paying out the same for a V+ box less than 12 months ago.

But before jumping over to sky i really would like to see confirmed pricing for us existing customers as i'm pretty sure the info posted on twitter could well be as reliable as the info given by customer services when you phone them (just pick a number and hope the customer is happy with it).

But until they announce when TiVo will be rolled out were not going to hear anything, and please don't claim roll out has started because that is simply not true as you cant roll out a product without releasing pricing information to the people you want to purchase it.

Yes some staff it appears do have the box up and running but at the end of the day your pretty much just beta testing it until their sure its good enough for us masses to get our hands on it.

Why can't virgin be straight with their customers and officially announce pricing instead of many people feeding us differing info?

If i end up leaving it will be a shame after all these years but i don't feel the need to show any loyalty to a company who are seemingly not prepared to do the same in return.
A pricing announcemnt is imminent, hang fire my friend.... The staff TiVos are also making sure the metadata is nice and mature, something you can't do with without a small rollout. ;)

roger skillin 08-01-2011 20:53
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denise119 (Post 35149385)

I asked @virginmedia on twitter for any info and got the following reply....

"No release date yet. Its £3 a month and there is a £40 install charge and £149 activation with it being a 1TB hard drive. PM"

.
What an odd bit of rubbish to put at the end of that twitter comment,
With it being a 1Tb drive, er that means nothing, the price of drives are cheap as chips, you can buy a 1TB drive for £40 and that's a ridiculous price £149 to activate it? you what? that's mental, now if they'd said £149 to purchase the box then that would make sense

Digital Fanatic 08-01-2011 20:55
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by roger skillin (Post 35149397)
What an odd bit of rubbish to put at the end of that twitter comment,
With it being a 1Tb drive, er that means nothing, the price of drives are cheap as chips, you can buy a 1TB drive for £40 and that's a ridiculous price £149 to activate it? you what? that's mental, now if they'd said £149 to purchase the box then that would make sense
The wording will be changed for that soon, I believe. It will be an "Upfront Rental Charge".

denise119 08-01-2011 21:03
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35149393)
The pricing given by the twitter team is right.
So why are virgin not publicly announcing this and putting an end to all the speculation so that we customers can make our decisions based on facts rather than guess work.

I don't mean any offence by this, but just because you say its right doesn't mean that by the time its officially confirmed it might not have gone up or down.

People don't have disposable income like they previously have had so plenty of prior notice would allow the customers who want TiVo and are prepared to pay the final price would have time to set aside the amount needed and would possibly help increase initial take up of the product.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen
The 500 staff are paying customers and they are the first to get it, and by doing that it's the start of the roll out. I can assure you they are not beta testers, there is a separate group of people that are in a testing team and will have had the boxes for a few months already. So that it was ready for the roll out to start.
Ok so beta testers was the wrong way to describe them as i know it would have been fully tested earlier.

But as much as staff are paying customers they don't pay anywhere near the amounts that we regular customers pay, its a position which comes with perks such as getting services faster than the rest of us.

But to claim something has already started to roll out just because staff members are able to get access to it is just misleading and completely wrong in my view (i only speak for myself though, others may well be happy to accept it).

For me the claims of the roll out already having started is on a level with all those broadband claims of upto a to speed. Its just virgin seemingly hiding behind small print the same as all major companies do.

I guess what i'm trying to say is that they should not be able to publicly claim roll out has started until it is actually available to the public.

But it can't currently be available to the public otherwise they would have confirmed the prices for all customers.

EDIT:

Just saw Digital Fanatic's post which appeared whilst i was writing my original reply, do you have any idea as to when this announcement is likely?

The reason for asking is that at the moment i am in a position where i can can my virgin services and have sky installed and the change would be pretty much seemless with no major loss of services for me. But if i continue to wait and hold out i'm going to end up with either a loss of services during a switch over or even worse from my point of view an overlap where i'll be paying both sky and virgin at the same time.

I'm not really worried about the actual price because at the end of the day i can either afford it or not, getting upset or trying to justify it by saying the price of hdd's are so cheap its a rip off etc will not get me anywhere. Its ultimately VM's product and they can charge whatever they like, i'd just be happy if i could make an informed decision.

gondalio 08-01-2011 21:08
Re: TiVo
 
My opinion is i think this is a stage of testing as there are functions currently on the box that arent working. I dont think it will be ready for a few months yet as the current box only has 2 tuners and i dont think they will be offering it to customers like that. Far from ready to be rolled out in my opinion The 3tuner version of the box wont be ready for abit yet. So to me i gather it could be a couple months and £199 for the box is about right as when they released the v+ it was the same price. So you might be better off waiting patiently. I have bee offered the box but i dont think im even going to get. Ive played around with the tivo and in all honesty i dont like it. Hate the design too as no display on front and also only 2 tuners.

Digital Fanatic 08-01-2011 21:14
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denise119 (Post 35149404)
So why are virgin not publicly announcing this and putting an end to all the speculation so that we customers can make our decisions based on facts rather than guess work.

I don't mean any offence by this, but just because you say its right doesn't mean that by the time its officially confirmed it might not have gone up or down.

People don't have disposable income like they previously have had so plenty of prior notice would allow the customers who want TiVo and are prepared to pay the final price would have time to set aside the amount needed and would possibly help increase initial take up of the product.



Ok so beta testers was the wrong way to describe them as i know it would have been fully tested earlier.

But as much as staff are paying customers they don't pay anywhere near the amounts that we regular customers pay, its a position which comes with perks such as getting services faster than the rest of us.

But to claim something has already started to roll out just because staff members are able to get access to it is just misleading and completely wrong in my view (i only speak for myself though, others may well be happy to accept it).

For me the claims of the roll out already having started is on a level with all those broadband claims of upto a to speed. Its just virgin seemingly hiding behind small print the same as all major companies do.

I guess what i'm trying to say is that they should not be able to publicly claim roll out has started until it is actually available to the public.

But it can't currently be available to the public otherwise they would have confirmed the prices for all customers.

EDIT:

Just saw Digital Fanatic's post which appeared whilst i was writing my original reply, do you have any idea as to when this announcement is likely?

The reason for asking is that at the moment i am in a position where i can can my virgin services and have sky installed and the change would be pretty much seemless with no major loss of services for me. But if i continue to wait and hold out i'm going to end up with either a loss of services during a switch over or even worse from my point of view an overlap where i'll be paying both sky and virgin at the same time.

I'm not really worried about the actual price because at the end of the day i can either afford it or not, getting upset or trying to justify it by saying the price of hdd's are so cheap its a rip off etc will not get me anywhere. Its ultimately VM's product and they can charge whatever they like, i'd just be happy if i could make an informed decision.
Expect to pay £150, plus £40 install and then anything less is a bonus!

:welcome: to the forum by the way :wavey:

denise119 08-01-2011 21:33
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35149409)
Expect to pay £150, plus £40 install and then anything less is a bonus!

:welcome: to the forum by the way :wavey:
Thanks for the reply and welcome :)

This is the problem for my personal case, i'm stuck at the moment with a SA V+ box which i absolutely hate due to it being extremely slow and intermittently buggy when accessing the on demand content.

Sadly i paid just short of £200 for this glorified door stop, and despite 2 engineers visits nothing has been found to be wrong with the box itself so apparently i'm stuck with it.

I asked to switch to a Samsung box as the engineer said they ran a little faster then my current one but was quoted another £150 to do so because they couldn't find fault with the current one.

So right now i'm not prepared to pay out another £190 + £3 per month for a TiVo service when i've recently paid a similar amount not to mention a monthly bill of around £120

I know i can get a sky+ box for free and the services will be about the same amount per month, but i've also hear that while the sky+ box is better than my current SA V+ the TiVo will be so much better than the sky+

So at the moment while you say think of anything under £190 to be a bonus, for me it could be that bonus that keeps me with VM.

I know typing here won't actually provide me with any answers by the way, its just nice to be able to vent some frustration once in a while :)

carbon60 08-01-2011 21:59
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gondalio (Post 35149406)
My opinion is i think this is a stage of testing as there are functions currently on the box that arent working. I dont think it will be ready for a few months yet as the current box only has 2 tuners and i dont think they will be offering it to customers like that. Far from ready to be rolled out in my opinion The 3tuner version of the box wont be ready for abit yet. So to me i gather it could be a couple months and £199 for the box is about right as when they released the v+ it was the same price. So you might be better off waiting patiently. I have bee offered the box but i dont think im even going to get. Ive played around with the tivo and in all honesty i dont like it. Hate the design too as no display on front and also only 2 tuners.
The third tuner will be fixed by a software update since the hardware is already there so there won't be two versions of the box.

I agree with you about having no display on the front - it's a feature I like about my SA box that Sky boxes don't seem to have.

Mr Fell 09-01-2011 09:52
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gondalio (Post 35149406)
My opinion is i think this is a stage of testing as there are functions currently on the box that arent working. I dont think it will be ready for a few months yet as the current box only has 2 tuners and i dont think they will be offering it to customers like that. Far from ready to be rolled out in my opinion The 3tuner version of the box wont be ready for abit yet. So to me i gather it could be a couple months and £199 for the box is about right as when they released the v+ it was the same price. So you might be better off waiting patiently. I have bee offered the box but i dont think im even going to get. Ive played around with the tivo and in all honesty i dont like it. Hate the design too as no display on front and also only 2 tuners.
Am looking foward to the new box being released but I dont want it to arrive not fully functional. I would rather wait and have all the bells and whistles in full working order !

zantarous 09-01-2011 12:41
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35149393)
The pricing given by the twitter team is right.

The 500 staff are paying customers and they are the first to get it, and by doing that it's the start of the roll out. I can assure you they are not beta testers, there is a separate group of people that are in a testing team and will have had the boxes for a few months already. So that it was ready for the roll out to start.
A product that has been rolled out but is still protected by a NDA?

howardmicks 09-01-2011 13:37
Re: TiVo
 
Starting to get bored with all this talk about tivo prices and how great it gonna be and when it will be released,Iam a a tv subscriber for vm because of the channels they show not because how good a set top box is.My main concern is what channels we are getting or losing or why are we not getting new ones(sky atlantic for example),Yes i will hopefully get tivo eventually but the prices being spread are totally overpriced and its looking more like sky are now going to be controlling what we watch more than vm i aint gonna spend silly money on a box that aint got the channels to back it and as for vod never watch and dont really care about it.Lets face it if you had to pay for it who would bother with it? I wouldnt,Think the next few months are going to be interesting,Just hope vm dont think that tivo is going to keep there customers and gain new ones its channels we want and new tech at the right price

caph 09-01-2011 16:43
Re: TiVo
 
Am I the only one here who is struggling with the 20 hour HD capacity of the V+ box? That's 3 films and a couple of MOTDs before it goes critical. I was fine on SD but I'm really struggling with HD.

As far as I'm concerned I'm upgrading as soon as possible purely to get the 1TB drive. Tivo will be nice, a UI update will be nice, YouTube will be fun initially, but they all pale in to insignificance compared to the 120 hours of HD capacity.

I'm sick of getting nagged to death because my latest MOTD recording has caused Eastenders to fail to record.

howardmicks 09-01-2011 17:20
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by caph (Post 35149781)
Am I the only one here who is struggling with the 20 hour HD capacity of the V+ box? That's 3 films and a couple of MOTDs before it goes critical. I was fine on SD but I'm really struggling with HD.

As far as I'm concerned I'm upgrading as soon as possible purely to get the 1TB drive. Tivo will be nice, a UI update will be nice, YouTube will be fun initially, but they all pale in to insignificance compared to the 120 hours of HD capacity.

I'm sick of getting nagged to death because my latest MOTD recording has caused Eastenders to fail to record.
I agree,But £190 for a 1tb drive is daylight robbery.

vanman 09-01-2011 17:28
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35149810)
I agree,But £190 for a 1tb drive is daylight robbery.
well as the v+box uses a Western Digital Caviar 160gb green
don't tell vm but swop it for

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002ZCXK0...SIN=B002ZCXK0I
and then
1) PRESS the HOME Button.
2) PRESS and HOLD PLAY button for about 5 secs. E-00 will appear in the display on front of V+box.
3) PRESS T.v Drive or V+ button. E-01 will appear.
4) PRESS CH - button 4 times. as you do Hdd1 - Hdd2 -Hdd3 - Hdd4 will appear.
Reformating your harddrive will start rFT will appear in the window.
the process with pressing the buttons needs to be done in quick time.
The process should take 5 -8 mins depending on how much information is stored on the harddrive.

trickytree 09-01-2011 17:45
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by caph (Post 35149781)
Am I the only one here who is struggling with the 20 hour HD capacity of the V+ box? That's 3 films and a couple of MOTDs before it goes critical. I was fine on SD but I'm really struggling with HD.

As far as I'm concerned I'm upgrading as soon as possible purely to get the 1TB drive. Tivo will be nice, a UI update will be nice, YouTube will be fun initially, but they all pale in to insignificance compared to the 120 hours of HD capacity.

I'm sick of getting nagged to death because my latest MOTD recording has caused Eastenders to fail to record.
MOTD is not in HD so you are only recording upscaled anyway. Space saving easy step 1 ;)

zantarous 09-01-2011 17:53
Re: TiVo
 
But upscalled at source is far better then upscalling SD via your STB so to save space you have to sacrifice quality.

howardmicks 09-01-2011 18:09
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35149813)
well as the v+box uses a Western Digital Caviar 160gb green
don't tell vm but swop it for

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002ZCXK0...SIN=B002ZCXK0I
and then
1) PRESS the HOME Button.
2) PRESS and HOLD PLAY button for about 5 secs. E-00 will appear in the display on front of V+box.
3) PRESS T.v Drive or V+ button. E-01 will appear.
4) PRESS CH - button 4 times. as you do Hdd1 - Hdd2 -Hdd3 - Hdd4 will appear.
Reformating your harddrive will start rFT will appear in the window.
the process with pressing the buttons needs to be done in quick time.
The process should take 5 -8 mins depending on how much information is stored on the harddrive.
cheers matey

Digital Fanatic 09-01-2011 18:53
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35149813)
well as the v+box uses a Western Digital Caviar 160gb green
don't tell vm but swop it for

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002ZCXK0...SIN=B002ZCXK0I
and then
1) PRESS the HOME Button.
2) PRESS and HOLD PLAY button for about 5 secs. E-00 will appear in the display on front of V+box.
3) PRESS T.v Drive or V+ button. E-01 will appear.
4) PRESS CH - button 4 times. as you do Hdd1 - Hdd2 -Hdd3 - Hdd4 will appear.
Reformating your harddrive will start rFT will appear in the window.
the process with pressing the buttons needs to be done in quick time.
The process should take 5 -8 mins depending on how much information is stored on the harddrive.
It's worth pointing out that doing this will break the VM T&C's of your service.

---------- Post added at 17:53 ---------- Previous post was at 17:52 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35149810)
I agree,But £190 for a 1tb drive is daylight robbery.
If it was just a 1TB, then yes. ;)

Stuart 09-01-2011 19:01
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35149813)
well as the v+box uses a Western Digital Caviar 160gb green
don't tell vm but swop it for

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002ZCXK0...SIN=B002ZCXK0I
and then
1) PRESS the HOME Button.
2) PRESS and HOLD PLAY button for about 5 secs. E-00 will appear in the display on front of V+box.
3) PRESS T.v Drive or V+ button. E-01 will appear.
4) PRESS CH - button 4 times. as you do Hdd1 - Hdd2 -Hdd3 - Hdd4 will appear.
Reformating your harddrive will start rFT will appear in the window.
the process with pressing the buttons needs to be done in quick time.
The process should take 5 -8 mins depending on how much information is stored on the harddrive.
And risk a hefty charge, together with possible termination of service if anything goes wrong with the service, and the engineer discovers that you have opened the box and broken one (or more) of the anti tamper checks they probably have in the box.

In short, I don't think it's worth the hassle (or the cost).

Peter_ 09-01-2011 19:07
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35149813)
well as the v+box uses a Western Digital Caviar 160gb green
don't tell vm but swop it for

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002ZCXK0...SIN=B002ZCXK0I
and then
1) PRESS the HOME Button.
2) PRESS and HOLD PLAY button for about 5 secs. E-00 will appear in the display on front of V+box.
3) PRESS T.v Drive or V+ button. E-01 will appear.
4) PRESS CH - button 4 times. as you do Hdd1 - Hdd2 -Hdd3 - Hdd4 will appear.
Reformating your harddrive will start rFT will appear in the window.
the process with pressing the buttons needs to be done in quick time.
The process should take 5 -8 mins depending on how much information is stored on the harddrive.
The very first time you called in with a fault that would be noticed and you would have your services terminated and yourself blacklisted.

Also what you advocate will probably not work with the Virginmedia software and viewing card.

vanman 09-01-2011 19:24
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35149875)
The very first time you called in with a fault that would be noticed and you would have your services terminated and yourself blacklisted.
if you have a fault yes i agree.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35149875)
Also what you advocate will probably not work with the Virginmedia software and viewing card.
yes it does work it just a hard drive there is no security key on it at all.

Stuart 09-01-2011 19:28
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35149881)
if you have a fault yes i agree.
Bearing in mind my own experience of VM, and the fact that this website even exists, I'd say When is more accurate than If.

howardmicks 09-01-2011 19:58
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35149868)
It's worth pointing out that doing this will break the VM T&C's of your service.

---------- Post added at 17:53 ---------- Previous post was at 17:52 ----------



If it was just a 1TB, then yes. ;)
I know what you mean,But if i went and bought a £1000 tv,I would want to have channels to watch.The way its going with vm at min great tech but losing channels and not getting the new ones,The price is putting me off tivo but the concern over channels is also a worry.I am very reluctent to pay the overpriced charge and now its looking like sky are calling the shots on vm getting or not getting channels to tie myself to another 12months contract is becoming a big risk.

Peter_ 09-01-2011 20:06
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35149881)
if you have a fault yes i agree.

yes it does work it just a hard drive there is no security key on it at all.
The hard drive you purchase may not have a security key on it but the one in the Virginmedia TiVo will have and it will also have all the software on it that will run the box and therefore if you remove it the box will not work and nor will you be able to transfer that information onto the new drive, why do you think the is a Smartcard in the box.

So a probable expensive mistake and a rather stupid thing to actually advocate doing to equipment they do not own.

howardmicks 09-01-2011 20:10
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35149896)
The hard drive you purchase may not have a security key on it but the one in the Virginmedia TiVo will have and it will also have all the software on it that will run the box and therefore if you remove it the box will not work and nor will you be able to transfer that information onto the new drive, why do you think the is a Smartcard in the box.

So a probable expensive mistake and a rather stupid thing to actually advocate doing to equipment they do not own.
The probable expensive mistake at the minute i think will be tivo,But i agree that its a big risk opening yer v+ box

vanman 09-01-2011 20:11
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35149896)
The hard drive you purchase may not have a security key on it but the one in the Virginmedia TiVo will have and it will also have all the software on it that will run the box and therefore if you remove it the box will not work and nor will you be able to transfer that information onto the new drive, why do you think the is a Smartcard in the box.

So a probable expensive mistake and a rather stupid thing to actually advocate doing to equipment they do not own.
this may be so but i was not talking about the tivo .
i was referring to the v+box.

Peter_ 09-01-2011 20:12
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35149900)
this may be so but i was not talking about the tivo .
i was referring to the v+box.
It will be the same with the V+ box as the software will be on the hard drive.

vanman 09-01-2011 20:15
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35149896)
why do you think the is a Smartcard in the box.
we both know that the Smart Card Just decrypts the channels

mersey70 09-01-2011 20:20
Re: Tivo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35107449)
That link is expired (as noted above) and I suspect that the prices that bought Tivo units themselves, rather than rented them as part of a Cable or Satellite subscription.

Bear in mind that as well as being offered with other services, Tivo do offer their own service that you buy the box for. They charge a subscription to those who purchase the boxes.
I think the prices for the kit in the US are pretty low for the spec of the kit and of course they own it and it will have ongoing functionality for cable customers who might eventually stop subscribing. They seem get money back through (compared to VM) relatively high monthly subs. I suppose it has to be funded somehow.

I know Tivo don't charge a monthly fee in Australia but the kit is pretty expensive, over £300 and (i think) it is only compatible with DTT non subscription services, maybe it's aimed at customers who don't want monthly subs although they can buy OD content.

I don't think the cost of the kit and subs that VM will charge are prohibitive for existing higher tier subscribers. I just don't think the masses will flock to it, especially lower tier customers who may well have a ceiling on costs and most customers (3/4) currently don't even have V+.

vanman 09-01-2011 20:21
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35149902)
It will be the same with the V+ box as the software will be on the hard drive.
no it not the software is actually a firmware.
built in to the mother board.
thats how vm can deactivate the v+side of the box

Peter_ 09-01-2011 20:30
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35149909)
no it not the software is actually a firmware.
built in to the mother board
It is still ill advised advice to give anyone about customising equipment that does not belong to them now if it was a SKY box then fine does as you like as you purchased the equipment, and you do know how much people can be billed for damaged or lost equipment which far exceeds the price of any hard drive so it could end up being very expensive.

mhatter67 09-01-2011 20:37
Re: TiVo
 
Odd question but could you use the dedicated internet connection for tivo to update the firmware on your BluRay player, I mean quickly plugging the internet feed into the bluray player?

vanman 09-01-2011 20:54
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35149914)
It is still ill advised advice to give anyone about customising equipment that does not belong to them now if it was a SKY box then fine does as you like as you purchased the equipment, and you do know how much people can be billed for damaged or lost equipment which far exceeds the price of any hard drive so it could end up being very expensive.
i am not telling them to do it.
i said it can be done

---------- Post added at 19:54 ---------- Previous post was at 19:50 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by mlayzell (Post 35149919)
Odd question but could you use the dedicated internet connection for tivo to update the firmware on your BluRay player, I mean quickly plugging the internet feed into the bluray player?
no you will not be able to use it as a modem or router

zantarous 09-01-2011 21:06
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35149902)
It will be the same with the V+ box as the software will be on the hard drive.
I thought you worked in tech support? Even the intern will know that is not where the software is installed? upgrading the HDD will not have anything to do with the smartcard or circumventing any security.

Peter_ 09-01-2011 21:56
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zantarous (Post 35149932)
I thought you worked in tech support? Even the intern will know that is not where the software is installed? upgrading the HDD will not have anything to do with the smartcard or circumventing any security.
Primarily Broadband with a bit of cross training thrown in and most broadband agents dislike the FMC side as you do not have to think for yourself.

We just get told to follow a flow for the FMC side and not to think.

ess1 10-01-2011 11:15
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35149893)
I know what you mean,But if i went and bought a £1000 tv,I would want to have channels to watch.The way its going with vm at min great tech but losing channels and not getting the new ones,The price is putting me off tivo but the concern over channels is also a worry.I am very reluctent to pay the overpriced charge and now its looking like sky are calling the shots on vm getting or not getting channels to tie myself to another 12months contract is becoming a big risk.
I agree. I returned to Sky some 18 months ago and will probably remain, in spite of the superiority of Tivo. Sky will, I believe, be increasingly loathe to allow VM access to further channels as a means of combatting the undoubted success of Tivo.

Further, I have not had any problems with skybox in both my periods with sky. Unlike the many posters here and on VM's forum.

richard1960 10-01-2011 11:38
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ess1 (Post 35150099)
I agree. I returned to Sky some 18 months ago and will probably remain, in spite of the superiority of Tivo. Sky will, I believe, be increasingly loathe to allow VM access to further channels as a means of combatting the undoubted success of Tivo.

Further, I have not had any problems with skybox in both my periods with sky. Unlike the many posters here and on VM's forum.
I respectfully suggest you try the satellite section of D/S there are many people on there complaining about their sky hardware just as you would expect complaints about cable hardware on a cable forum! there are also many people like myself who have never had any problems with cable boxes at all.

ess1 10-01-2011 11:46
Re: TiVo
 
richard1960,
Thanks for prompt reply. I take your point.
Is D/S a Sky forum?

Media Boy UK 10-01-2011 11:50
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ess1 (Post 35150112)
richard1960,
Thanks for prompt reply. I take your point.
Is D/S a Sky forum?
It like the poor man Cable Forum

It got forums for Sky, Freeview, Freesat, Virgin Media plus more.

Rattus 10-01-2011 14:27
Re: TiVo
 
The problem with the upfront fee model is that it really puts people off who can't commit for long periods of time.

I want to move house this year, so in many ways would be stupid to pay 200 quid for an item i might only use for 6 months. This of course is also a problem with these 18 month contracts that seem to have appeared out of no where. Particularly when there is 0 possibility of where i move to having cable as it'll be in the country. Which is a shame as i really am a big fan of virgin, having been a happy customer with them from the telewest days.

Would be nice to have a choice, either upfront rental charge, or increased monthly rental charge. Otherwise i doubt i'll bother by the time it actually arrives.

davidthornton 11-01-2011 13:09
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rattus (Post 35150190)
The problem with the upfront fee model is that it really puts people off who can't commit for long periods of time.

I want to move house this year, so in many ways would be stupid to pay 200 quid for an item i might only use for 6 months. This of course is also a problem with these 18 month contracts that seem to have appeared out of no where. Particularly when there is 0 possibility of where i move to having cable as it'll be in the country. Which is a shame as i really am a big fan of virgin, having been a happy customer with them from the telewest days.

Would be nice to have a choice, either upfront rental charge, or increased monthly rental charge. Otherwise i doubt i'll bother by the time it actually arrives.
If you're going to be moving in 6 months, and probably to an area where you have no possibility of subscribing to Virgin Media, it doesn't really seem to me that it is in either your or Virgin Media's interest to make any significant changes to your subscription. Why bother for just 6 months? :cool:

TheNorm 11-01-2011 13:31
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by davidthornton (Post 35150566)
If you're going to be moving in 6 months, ...
Just beacause Rattus wants to move doesn't mean he will. My wife and I waited two years for a family to vacate a house after they accepted our offer to buy. In the end we moved somewhere else, but that is a different story.

Peter_ 11-01-2011 13:35
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 35150579)
Just beacause Rattus wants to move doesn't mean he will. My wife and I waited two years for a family to vacate a house after they accepted our offer to buy. In the end we moved somewhere else, but that is a different story.
But he is unlikely to sign an 18 month contract as you never know and no one wants to have to pay an early disconnection fee.

Rattus 11-01-2011 13:35
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by davidthornton (Post 35150566)
If you're going to be moving in 6 months, and probably to an area where you have no possibility of subscribing to Virgin Media, it doesn't really seem to me that it is in either your or Virgin Media's interest to make any significant changes to your subscription. Why bother for just 6 months? :cool:
Wanting to move and actually moving are very different in the market as it stands ;)

And yes a long new contract is probably more important that the £150 quid connection charge. A tv service is a fixed service (well for cable at least) you can't take it with you the way you can a mobile phone or indeed sky. Which makes me question the idea of long contracts. I can see why VM would want to tie you down though. However finding out how much it costs to cancel is difficult as no one wants to answer that question usually when you phone up.

ottoni 11-01-2011 14:52
Re: TiVo
 
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


JUST BEEN TOLD ON THE PHONE VIA CUSTOMER SERVICES THAT THE TIVO WILL BECOME AVAILABLE SOMETIME IN MAY!!!!!!! I'm not kidding you, everyone it seems is hearing a different date!:dozey::dozey:

Peter_ 11-01-2011 15:19
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ottoni (Post 35150648)
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


JUST BEEN TOLD ON THE PHONE VIA CUSTOMER SERVICES THAT THE TIVO WILL BECOME AVAILABLE SOMETIME IN MAY!!!!!!! I'm not kidding you, everyone it seems is hearing a different date!:dozey::dozey:
I will check that myself when in work tomorrow but do not hold your breath.:)

ottoni 11-01-2011 15:24
Re: TiVo
 
All these different dates are doing my head in!

vanman 11-01-2011 15:39
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rattus (Post 35150586)
Wanting to move and actually moving are very different in the market as it stands ;)

And yes a long new contract is probably more important that the £150 quid connection charge. A tv service is a fixed service (well for cable at least) you can't take it with you the way you can a mobile phone or indeed sky. Which makes me question the idea of long contracts. I can see why VM would want to tie you down though. However finding out how much it costs to cancel is difficult as no one wants to answer that question usually when you phone up.
but if you take up a new contract and move.
take your V.M equipment with you and if V.M can't supply you where you have moved to .
the contract is void as you have not broken it .

Peter_ 11-01-2011 15:49
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35150698)
but if you take up a new contract and move.
take your V.M equipment with you and if V.M can't supply you where you have moved to .
the contract is void as you have not broken it .
He would be charged an Early Disconnection Charge as his contract would not be void.

vanman 11-01-2011 16:04
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35150706)
He would be charged an Early Disconnection Charge as his contract would not be void.
how so if V.M can not supply it's there fault not his.
he has not Disconnection he wants the sevice but V.M cant supply it.

Peter_ 11-01-2011 16:07
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35150722)
how so if V.M can not supply it's there fault not his.
he has not Disconnection he wants the sevice but V.M cant supply it.
If you sign a contract for an address that can be provisioned and during the contract period you decide to move to an unprovisioned address then yes you would be liable for an Early Disconnection Charge, it is not a question of Virginmedia being unable to supply services to your new address as you are under contract.

I expect if Ben sees this post he will confirm it.

BenMcr 11-01-2011 16:16
Re: TiVo
 
You are indeed correct. Any contract is for the address you are at, there is never any guarantee of forward transfer. This is in the terms:

http://shop.virginmedia.com/the-lega...ices.html#home

If you move to another address during any minimum period paragraph J2 will apply, unless you continue to receive Virgin Media Ltd and/or Virgin Media Entertainment services at your new address (in which case paragraph K3 will apply).

J2 covers the Early Disconnection Fees

vanman 11-01-2011 16:20
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Our and/or Virgin Media Entertainment's obligation to provide the services is also subject to survey. If a survey shows that the services cannot be installed or connected at your home, or if a non-standard installation is required, we may cancel any installation date we have given you and terminate these agreements. You will be notified of this as soon as possible after the survey. Neither Virgin Media Ltd nor Virgin Media Entertainment shall be under any liability whatsoever to you for any failure to provide the services in these circumstances but will refund you for any payments you have already made to Virgin Media Payments for installation or the services.

BenMcr 11-01-2011 16:23
Re: TiVo
 
Yup, that applies to the agreement for the address you applying for services which is counted as a seperate legal agreement, not at an address where services are already active

So if you had asked for a TiVo box at the house move, paid for the box and then it was found the services couldn't be installed, you would be refunded the any fees paid for TiVo

However you would still be liable for any charges or EDFs that are due for your existing services

Digital Fanatic 11-01-2011 16:54
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ottoni (Post 35150648)
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


JUST BEEN TOLD ON THE PHONE VIA CUSTOMER SERVICES THAT THE TIVO WILL BECOME AVAILABLE SOMETIME IN MAY!!!!!!! I'm not kidding you, everyone it seems is hearing a different date!:dozey::dozey:
I don't think this is true, ottoni.

an announcement is close ;)

denphone 11-01-2011 17:03
Re: TiVo
 
Utterly shocking if we have to wait till May.

vanman 11-01-2011 17:10
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35150738)
Yup, that applies to the agreement for the address you applying for services which is counted as a seperate legal agreement, not at an address where services are already active

So if you had asked for a TiVo box at the house move, paid for the box and then it was found the services couldn't be installed, you would be refunded the any fees paid for TiVo

However you would still be liable for any charges or EDFs that are due for your existing services
apart from this
http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...-p/75244#M4156
Quote:
BenMcr
Whiz Kid
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/01/77.jpg

Re: Moving Home
on 09-06-2010 22:53
If you take Virgin National ADSL services your current contract is waived and you start a 12 month contract with the ADSL service

BenMcr 11-01-2011 17:11
Re: TiVo
 
Because you are continuing with Virgin Media services, which is covered by the clause I linked to earlier

Peter_ 11-01-2011 17:13
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35150763)
apart from this
Also remember that you cannot take cable tv services to an ADSL area so again you fall foul of the Early Disconnection Charges.

vanman 11-01-2011 17:16
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35150766)
Also remember that you cannot take cable tv services to an ADSL area so again you fall foul of the Early Disconnection Charges.
but if you read the O.P on this http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...-p/75244#M4156

ben seem's to say no you dont

BenMcr 11-01-2011 17:16
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35150766)
Also remember that you cannot take cable tv services to an ADSL area so again you fall foul of the Early Disconnection Charges.
No you won't - because you are taking what available Virgin Media services are there

If you dropped TV in contract when moving to another address where you could still get TV, then a TV EDF would apply

vanman 11-01-2011 17:21
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35150771)
Which is what I said above.;)
no its not
Quote:
No you won't - because you are taking what available Virgin Media services are there

Peter_ 11-01-2011 17:23
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35150769)
No you won't - because you are taking what available Virgin Media services are there

If you dropped TV in contract when moving to another address where you could still get TV, then a TV EDF would apply
You will not get Cable TV services in a ADSL area which is what we are talking about.;)

---------- Post added at 16:23 ---------- Previous post was at 16:22 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35150772)
no its not
Yes it is, you cannot take any Vbox into an ADSL area as it will not work.

BenMcr 11-01-2011 17:24
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35150776)
You will not get Cable TV services in a ADSL area which is what we are talking about.;)

---------- Post added at 16:23 ---------- Previous post was at 16:22 ----------



Yes it is, you cannot take any Vbox into an ADSL area as it will not work.
If you move from cable to National ADSL within contract then you do not pay any EDFs for the cable services.

Peter_ 11-01-2011 17:26
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35150779)
If you move from cable to National ADSL within contract then you do not pay any EDFs for the cable services.
What about TV services in particular the 18 month TiVo contract.

vanman 11-01-2011 17:28
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35150776)
You will not get Cable TV services in a ADSL area which is what we are talking about.;)

---------- Post added at 16:23 ---------- Previous post was at 16:22 ----------



Yes it is, you cannot take any Vbox into an ADSL area as it will not work.
but you are moving and you already have a box
if you take the V.M ADSL contract .your current contract is waived and you start a 12 month contract with the ADSL service . as ben says here http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...-p/75244#M4156

BenMcr 11-01-2011 17:29
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35150782)
What about TV services in particular the 18 month TiVo contract.
Any EDFs

BenMcr 11-01-2011 17:30
Re: TiVo
 
http://shop.virginmedia.com/existing...l#arrangements

What about my contract?
Don't worry about your old contract. You can simply start a new one when you get your National services.

Peter_ 11-01-2011 17:31
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35150786)
Any EDFs
If you are in contract with say at least 12 months to go on a Cable TV contract and you move out to an area without a Cable connection will you be charged a EDF because the TV services are unavailable in that location.

Stephen 11-01-2011 17:32
Re: TiVo
 
Can we please get back on to the topic of TiVo.

BenMcr 11-01-2011 17:32
Re: TiVo
 
As long as you take Virgin National ADSL Service, no you will not be charged any EDFs for any services you had at the cabled address.

Not sure how much clearer I can say that!

Peter_ 11-01-2011 17:34
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35150792)
As long as you take Virgin National ADSL Service, no you will not be charged any EDFs for any services you had at the cabled address.

Not sure how much clearer I can say that!
Thank you Ben for the clarification.:)

ottoni 11-01-2011 17:46
Re: TiVo
 
You know what I flogged loads of stuff on ebay to get enough cash together for this box, because ordinarily I just wouldn't have the odd £200 hanging around to spend! But that gets me thinking is it really worth it, and will I be really impressed and sit back after the install is done and think ,you know what that is worth every penny
My brother in law says he thinks its pointless buying it from release because it will become free at some point. I doubt that the v+HD box still attracts an install and monthly fee.

vanman 11-01-2011 17:51
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ottoni (Post 35150801)
My brother in law says he thinks its pointless buying it from release because it will become free at some point. I doubt that the v+HD box still attracts an install and monthly fee.
after 4 years the v+box was still being charged for.
in aug 09 they still wanted £75 was paying £15 per month for it for 3 years.
on old 20mb vip pack

Rattus 12-01-2011 16:56
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35150792)
As long as you take Virgin National ADSL Service, no you will not be charged any EDFs for any services you had at the cabled address.

Not sure how much clearer I can say that!
So just to clarify as i've been trying to find this out for ages, as a VIP50 customer, if i was to take whatever Tivo deal is offered with a new 18 month contract (if that is required) and i then moved to the country in say 10 months, but i took VM adsl at the new address i would not have any early disconnection charges for my current cable TV/Phone?

I've been a customer for about 7 years now, and will be gutted when i lose my cable internet but sometimes compromises need to be made, and apparently a field for the horse is more important than my cable internet :(

BenMcr 12-01-2011 16:59
Re: TiVo
 
As this is TiVo related (sort of) I hope I don't get told off for answering ;)

Based on the way the policy works at the moment that's correct. I can't see it changing for TiVo but I'll check once full details are released

winkle 12-01-2011 17:18
Re: TiVo
 
Will the TiVo box have the channel logo's for each channel? that would look smart

Digital Fanatic 12-01-2011 17:26
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by winkle (Post 35151304)
Will the TiVo box have the channel logo's for each channel? that would look smart
Yes. The VM promo shows this too I believe.

HDFootyMan 12-01-2011 22:31
Re: TiVo
 
No iPlayer app for Tivo?
http://virgintivo.blogspot.com/2011/...in-medias.html

ahardie 12-01-2011 22:38
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDFootyMan (Post 35151453)
Presumably you would still be able to get the normal BBC catch up?

HDFootyMan 12-01-2011 22:47
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ahardie (Post 35151458)
Presumably you would still be able to get the normal BBC catch up?
Via the Catch-Up EPG, yeah.

But no app like we have on existing Cable STBs, not unless Virgin show the Beeb some ££££.

ahardie 12-01-2011 23:25
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDFootyMan (Post 35151470)
Via the Catch-Up EPG, yeah.

But no app like we have on existing Cable STBs, not unless Virgin show the Beeb some ££££.
But the normal interface is better isn't it? There is a Digital Spy article about it here which seems to suggest it has greater implications for Sky.

whizzard 12-01-2011 23:55
Re: TiVo
 
Who's not to say they haven't already developed the app of course.

HDFootyMan 13-01-2011 00:02
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by whizzard (Post 35151539)
Who's not to say they haven't already developed the app of course.
They haven't:
http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2011/...ayer-versions/

Quote:
The move would impact platforms such as Virgin Media and its recently launched TiVo box. There is currently no BBC iPlayer app, instead the assets are made available through the main TiVo interface over DVB-C as opposed to IP. Although Virgin has been working with the BBC for some time there are concerns that the consumer experience may alter as the quality of the IP delivery is not as good as through DVB-C. The existing Liberate/TV Navigator version of the iPlayer was developed between the operator and the BBC.


---------- Post added at 22:59 ---------- Previous post was at 22:57 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by ahardie (Post 35151509)
But the normal interface is better isn't it? There is a Digital Spy article about it here which seems to suggest it has greater implications for Sky.
Well....no. The existing app allows you to access stuff like Series Catch-Up, allowing you to view content beyond the previous 7 days for selected shows.

---------- Post added at 23:02 ---------- Previous post was at 22:59 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by ahardie (Post 35151509)
But the normal interface is better isn't it? There is a Digital Spy article about it here which seems to suggest it has greater implications for Sky.
Yep, YouView as well.

I guess this probably puts the final nail in any real chances of iPlayer on my WDTV Live or Xbox 360. :td:

Rattus 13-01-2011 11:06
Re: TiVo
 
Personally i hate the current implementation of iplayer on my tvdrive, i'd much prefer it to be moved into the standard UI like itv, 4 and 5 use. Why we have to go to the slow and ponderous, hard to navigate red button type interface now i don't know, but i'll be glad to see the back of that.

And assuming the tivo UI is much faster than the current SA box, why would you want to use a custom UI for one channel.

BenMcr 13-01-2011 11:18
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rattus (Post 35151655)
Personally i hate the current implementation of iplayer on my tvdrive, i'd much prefer it to be moved into the standard UI like itv, 4 and 5 use. Why we have to go to the slow and ponderous, hard to navigate red button type interface now i don't know, but i'll be glad to see the back of that.
You can access iPlayer content via the normal UI

pauldavies83 13-01-2011 11:37
Re: TiVo
 
BBC in backing "their" YouView platform shocker

Hardly a surprise I'd say

ShadowTD 13-01-2011 12:01
Re: TiVo
 
I must admit, I'd thought that the appearance of an iPlayer icon in the apps section would launch the current iPlayer 'big screen' interface and use the IP version over the modem. This would mean a significantly expanded selection compared to what's on the DVB-C 'on-demand' version.

But congratulations BBC. You've successfully rode a wave of positive feeling from consumers and manufacturers with iPlayer, justifiably making it a part of the TV-watching landscape. Now you're trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory - good effort! :clap:

Rattus 13-01-2011 16:26
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35151664)
You can access iPlayer content via the normal UI
Do you mean on the tivo or current boxes?

At present on my tvdrive i go to catch up, channels, bbc and end up with the custom UI, as opposed to another menu V+ style menu.. Is there another way of accessing this?

BenMcr 13-01-2011 16:28
Re: TiVo
 
If you do All Days then you don't end up in the iPlayer - but then the BBC stuff is mixed in with the other channels.

Also if you are looking for BBC HD content then go into the 'HD Catch Up' menu

Rattus 13-01-2011 16:42
Re: TiVo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35151810)
If you do All Days then you don't end up in the iPlayer - but then the BBC stuff is mixed in with the other channels.

Also if you are looking for BBC HD content then go into the 'HD Catch Up' menu
Ah cheers, i shall try that. I knew about the HD menu but never tried the all days menu. I recon if you know the day something was on this will probably still be way quicker than the iplayer UI, even with other channels mixed in.


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