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Kymmy 26-07-2010 12:24
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Yep, hence the $100,00 fine and no action against the results..

You though ask f1 fans and 99% of them will say that yes it was a form of coded team orders, even the ferrari fans can't deny it ;) Look at the scripted responses from the drivers after the race..

Just remember that the fans bring in the revenue, make them lose interest and the sport suffers ;)

sherer 26-07-2010 12:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35062513)
Yep, hence the $100,00 fine and no action against the results..

You though ask f1 fans and 99% of them will say that yes it was a form of coded team orders, even the ferrari fans can't deny it ;) Look at the scripted responses from the drivers after the race..

Just remember that the fans bring in the revenue, make them lose interest and the sport suffers ;)
To be honest the fans don't bring in any money. All the money comes from race fees, advertising round the track and then money from the paddock club of celebs.

The fans pay money back to the cuircuit, most of which are half full this season. IF a circuit makes any money then 10% has to go back to FOM.

Well you and me and anyone who isn't dead can see this was team orders, but you can also see how they never actually told Massa to move over just told him the car behind was quicker. As such it will be a driver decision. I've seen this in other championships where team orders are banned and all the time it is a "driver decision" and not a team order.

Pierre 26-07-2010 12:47
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You have to be very naive if you think team orders don't go on with other teams.

Earlier this year when Button had a go at Hamilton and Hamilton got the lead back he was told to back off and not overtake.

Or should I say he was told to "conserve Fuel" ;)

Alonso, at this stage, has the strongest chance of winning the title and Massa will have to support him.

Let us not forget that Raikonnen had to play 2nd fiddle to Massa a couple of years ago when Massa was in the strongest position to win the title.

It's a team sport, and you can't get away from team orders. It's the way it has always been

Kymmy 26-07-2010 12:50
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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 35062528)
To be honest the fans don't bring in any money. All the money comes from race fees, advertising round the track and then money from the paddock club of celebs..
And do you actually believe that racing, sponsorship, advertising and even the celebs would turn up if there were no fans there?

The fan is the bottom line, the same in any sport or even the entertainment industry

sherer 26-07-2010 13:00
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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35062535)
And do you actually believe that racing, sponsorship, advertising and even the celebs would turn up if there were no fans there?

The fan is the bottom line, the same in any sport or even the entertainment industry
have you not watched Turkey and China. Both races have almost no fans at the track. In fact most of the time the market they are trying to get to buy their products aren't even in the countries they race in anyway.

Kymmy 26-07-2010 13:04
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Yep they race as there's still many, many, many more TV fans.. Just because the track is inaccessible the TV isn;t.. Remove though what the fans want and the fans walk whether it be from the track, TV, radio, mechandise.. As I said no fans no racing..

How much income is derived from football ticket sales compared with sponsorship, merchandising, TV rights..etc ;)

Stuart 26-07-2010 13:26
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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 35062545)
have you not watched Turkey and China. Both races have almost no fans at the track. In fact most of the time the market they are trying to get to buy their products aren't even in the countries they race in anyway.
The fact is that the sport exists to entertain and excite the fans. Regardless of whether they are physically present at the track, they still count. Advertisers/sponsors are not going to pay for advertising space on the cars, drivers or track if they don't think people are going to watch it. Where people watch it is not relevant.

The problem with team orders is racing is more exciting *if* drivers take some risks. If one driver is ordered to slow down (however indirectly), where is the excitement? If people want to see that, they might as well hang around their local road and watch the cars there. It'll be a lot cheaper and will be as exciting.

Flyboy 26-07-2010 13:37
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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 35062545)
have you not watched Turkey and China. Both races have almost no fans at the track. In fact most of the time the market they are trying to get to buy their products aren't even in the countries they race in anyway.
How many people watch Formula One on television, throughout the world?

sherer 26-07-2010 13:40
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millions of people watch throughout the world and team orders won't change that. Even after a row of boring races it doesn't affect the viewing figures much.

Passing has been made almost impossible in recent years and we still see good viewing figures

Flyboy 26-07-2010 13:46
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Nearly nine million people watched Jensen Button win his title back in October last year. This is because the competition was exciting. This year's British Grand Prix was watched by only four and half million (half of those who watched in October), because there was, comparatively, nothing exciting to watch.

Kymmy 26-07-2010 13:48
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I wonder what the world wide figures are??

Flyboy 26-07-2010 14:02
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I can't find anything on global figures, but here is two thousand and eight's viewing figures. I haven't checked to see which ones were the boring ones, but I do seem to remember that Australia was nothing more than a procession.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/f1-inform...ience-figures/

16 March 2008 Australian Grand Prix** 3,900,000
23 March 2008 Malaysian Grand Prix* (<2.81m)
06 April 2008 Bahrain Grand Prix 3,580,000
27 April 2008 Spanish Grand Prix 3,510,000
11 May 2008 Turkish Grand Prix* (<2.9m)
25 May 2008 Monaco Grand Prix 3,980,000
08 June 2008 Canadian Grand Prix 3,990,000
22 June 2008 French Grand Prix 3,350,000
4 July 2008 British Grand Prix 4,530,000
20 July 2008 German Grand Prix 3,190,000
3 August 2008 Hungarian Grand Prix 3,880,000
24 August 2008 European Grand Prix (<3m)
7 September 2008 Belgian Grand Prix 3,870,000
14 September 2008 Italian Grand Prix 3,550,000
28 September 2008 Singapore Grand Prix 3,950,000
12 October 2008 Japanese Grand Prix* (<3.25m)
19 October 2008 Chinese Grand Prix* (<3.47m)
2 November 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix 9,080,000)

*Did not rank among the top 30 programmes on ITV1 that week.
**’As live’ replay

I haven't checked to see which ones were the boring ones, but I do seem to remember that Australia was nothing more than a procession and there was a drop of almost one million viewers for the next race.

There were nine million viewers for Brazil, because of the tension being built with the battle between Hamilton and Massa; a jump of almost six million from the previous race and almost two million more than the previous year's final round. Pretty conclusive in proving that British viewers, at least, find excitment compelling viewing.

Hom3r 26-07-2010 14:41
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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 35062503)
this is the grey area in the rules. All the team did is tell the driver that Alonso was quicker. After that Massa who drivers for Ferrari and has a contract with them then chose to slow down and let Alonso through. You and I know this is team orders but at no point was he instructed to do so. All they will say is that it was a driver decision. We, and everyone else with an IQ that isn't less an 1 knows that is a load of rubbish but that is the loophole they use. All the championships that ban team orders use the same approach and i've seen it loads of times, even in F1, and they get away with it.

Yes but it was crystal clear to even deaf people, that they where telling him to the the spainard through, even more so the Rob said sorry.

In his post race interview his smile said "you know it was a team order".

Had it ben closer in the points and only a few races left, and the team had worded as a psoosible fault, I doubt it would have been queried.

sherer 26-07-2010 15:19
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35062621)
Yes but it was crystal clear to even deaf people, that they where telling him to the the spainard through, even more so the Rob said sorry.

In his post race interview his smile said "you know it was a team order".

Had it ben closer in the points and only a few races left, and the team had worded as a psoosible fault, I doubt it would have been queried.
yes we all know it was a team order but the fact is that order was never given just some information to Massa that Alonso was quicker. In all the championships where team orders are banned this is the line that is taken. They gave Massa some information and then the driver decided to let Alonso through.

Yes this is all discussed before the race and working for the team and wanting to stay with the team he knows full well what they are saying and what he has to do.

If they take action over this then there are plenty of other times this season the same thing has happened lower down the order or teams telling drivers to ease off, save fuel etc.

As long as they can use the line we didn't give a direct order I think they will get away with it

Kymmy 26-07-2010 15:22
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Saying something is one thing, saying something and getting an immediate repsonse from it with a subsequent apology from the person saying it is another. Also they haven;t got away with it.. They have been fined and it has been referred higher up than just the race stewards

I wonder if they'll perhaps consider banning two way comms soon and purely have it as one way (driver to pit) with perhaps just an acknoledgement signal in return

sherer 26-07-2010 15:36
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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35062663)
Saying something is one thing, saying something and getting an immediate repsonse from it with a subsequent apology from the person saying it is another. Also they haven;t got away with it.. They have been fined and it has been referred higher up than just the race stewards

I wonder if they'll perhaps consider banning two way comms soon and purely have it as one way (driver to pit) with perhaps just an acknoledgement signal in return
it's happened in plenty of other championships. I think all the WMSC will do is clarify the rule or remove it altogether. It's a team sport and they worked as a team to get the best result for the team. Yes I would rather they overtook each other on track but seeing as Red Bull have shown how that can work out I don't blame them.

Can't see them having one way radio as then the teams can't tell drivers about problems with the car or other dangers.

Kymmy 26-07-2010 15:41
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And how did they do it before radios... Oh they used the pit-board ;)

I see that Eddie has now put in his 2pence worth..

To me the whole point about watching the race is that you never know what's gonna happen. If they introduce team orders then you can predict a race when it's about half way through.. For example in this race Massa would have let Alfonso through a lot earlier then would have acted like a block to Vettel. It simple should not have happened, If Alofonso wanted to win then he should have driven like a winner.. Instead he drove like a 2nd placer who then spat out his dummy and was given a win that he shouldn't have had..

Totally spoiled the race for a lot of people

j52c 26-07-2010 15:50
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35062531)
You have to be very naive if you think team orders don't go on with other teams.

Earlier this year when Button had a go at Hamilton and Hamilton got the lead back he was told to back off and not overtake.

Or should I say he was told to "conserve Fuel" ;)

Alonso, at this stage, has the strongest chance of winning the title and Massa will have to support him.

Let us not forget that Raikonnen had to play 2nd fiddle to Massa a couple of years ago when Massa was in the strongest position to win the title.

It's a team sport, and you can't get away from team orders. It's the way it has always been
In the above race, Massa let Raikonnon pass him near the end and so giving the title to Raikonnon. If Massa had won that race then Hamilton would have been champion.

sherer 26-07-2010 16:10
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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35062681)
And how did they do it before radios... Oh they used the pit-board ;)

I see that Eddie has now put in his 2pence worth..

To me the whole point about watching the race is that you never know what's gonna happen. If they introduce team orders then you can predict a race when it's about half way through.. For example in this race Massa would have let Alfonso through a lot earlier then would have acted like a block to Vettel. It simple should not have happened, If Alofonso wanted to win then he should have driven like a winner.. Instead he drove like a 2nd placer who then spat out his dummy and was given a win that he shouldn't have had..

Totally spoiled the race for a lot of people
I think in the past it was all done in the team talk before the race but it still went on. Guess some of it could have been done on the pit board too.

To be honest in the past few years once the first stop was out of the way you could guess the order at the end too. In fact without this happening you would be hard press to remember anything from this race in a few weeks time.

Pierre 26-07-2010 17:36
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Originally Posted by j52c (Post 35062686)
In the above race, Massa let Raikonnon pass him near the end and so giving the title to Raikonnon. If Massa had won that race then Hamilton would have been champion.
Thanks for that insightful well thought out post....................

I'm talking about the year after when Hamilton won the title, the roles were reversed in Ferrari and Massa was given the nod to go against Hamilton, and Kimi who was world champion effectively became the no.2 driver.

Massa was seconds from winning it too.

He's had his shot at the title and he'll probably get another shot too, but He should just get on with it and support Alonso this year. The team have made it clear that's who they're backing

Flyboy 26-07-2010 17:54
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35062621)
Yes but it was crystal clear to even deaf people, that they where telling him to the the spainard through, even more so the Rob said sorry.

In his post race interview his smile said "you know it was a team order".

Had it ben closer in the points and only a few races left, and the team had worded as a psoosible fault, I doubt it would have been queried.
But orders such as that would only be given if the lead car had no chance of winning the race. Massa had every chance of doing so.

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35062663)
Saying something is one thing, saying something and getting an immediate repsonse from it with a subsequent apology from the person saying it is another. Also they haven;t got away with it.. They have been fined and it has been referred higher up than just the race stewards

I wonder if they'll perhaps consider banning two way comms soon and purely have it as one way (driver to pit) with perhaps just an acknoledgement signal in return
I am in two minds about the possibility of disqualification on this. Yes, it would be justified, but it would have a detrimental effect on the championship standings, in regards to Hamilton's and Button's campaign.

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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 35062676)
it's happened in plenty of other championships. I think all the WMSC will do is clarify the rule or remove it altogether. It's a team sport and they worked as a team to get the best result for the team. Yes I would rather they overtook each other on track but seeing as Red Bull have shown how that can work out I don't blame them.

Can't see them having one way radio as then the teams can't tell drivers about problems with the car or other dangers.
This is not a team sport, in the same sense as a football match. The team aspect is a much loser concept. It is similar to the GB Olympic team. None of them would relinquish a place, in order for the team to earn more medals. Their positions are respected by others.

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35062681)
And how did they do it before radios... Oh they used the pit-board ;)

I see that Eddie has now put in his 2pence worth..

To me the whole point about watching the race is that you never know what's gonna happen. If they introduce team orders then you can predict a race when it's about half way through.. For example in this race Massa would have let Alfonso through a lot earlier then would have acted like a block to Vettel. It simple should not have happened, If Alofonso wanted to win then he should have driven like a winner.. Instead he drove like a 2nd placer who then spat out his dummy and was given a win that he shouldn't have had..

Totally spoiled the race for a lot of people
When Vettel showed the promise of catching the Ferraris, I was looking forward to a battle royal for first place. I was predicting several changes of leadership before the end.

I was watching with Flyboy9, even he understood the meaning of "OK...so....Fernando is faster than you....can you confirm you understood that message?"

Pierre 26-07-2010 18:57
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35062748)
But orders such as that would only be given if the lead car had no chance of winning the race. Massa had every chance of doing so.
And had Massa won Ferrari would have been no better off in terms of the drivers championship (which is the title everyone wants, no one remembers the constructors winners, just the driver and the car he was driving).

Ferrari now have a competitive car, and with only 8 races left they have decided to back Alonso. I see nothing wrong with that.

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I am in two minds about the possibility of disqualification on this. Yes, it would be justified, but it would have a detrimental effect on the championship standings, in regards to Hamilton's and Button's campaign
It wouldn't be justifed, all F1 teams bend, and sometimes blatently break, rules.

It's the rule that needs to be removed.

Nearly all teams have No.1 & No.2 drivers. Even if they say they don't..............ask Mark Webber.................

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This is not a team sport, in the same sense as a football match. [/quote]
No but it is in the same sense as say a cycling team, were the team are there to support their main rider.

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It is similar to the GB Olympic team. None of them would relinquish a place, in order for the team to earn more medals. Their positions are respected by others.
It's nothing of the sort Team GB is made up of Indvidual competitors and team event competitors competing in a multi-event tournament.

Kymmy 26-07-2010 19:00
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A slap in the face to Massa and really a way of telling him that he won;t be allowed to win a race... Is there any point in him driving??

Pierre 26-07-2010 19:07
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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35062799)
A slap in the face to Massa and really a way of telling him that he won;t be allowed to win a race... Is there any point in him driving??
Yes, driving for the team that pays his wages and supporting the driver that the team have backed to have the best shot at the title.

The same way Irvine did for Schumacher, Barachello did for Schumacher, Massa did for Raikonnen and Raikonnen did for Massa.

Flyboy 26-07-2010 19:11
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35062798)

It's nothing of the sort Team GB is made up of Indvidual competitors and team event competitors competing in a multi-event tournament.
Which kind of proves the point. That describes, very well, the team concept in Formula One.

Kymmy 26-07-2010 19:12
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Oh I don't deny that, but in the end it is simply against the rules.. and rightly so ;)

Anyone read the top gear thread as they did a great report (iplayer link last 10 minutes)on Senna showing some fantastic driving in the 80's which was when I got interested in F1.. In those days team orders might have been used but it never shown, these days the racing is that clinical that team orders do impact the enjoyment of the race which is probably why they are banned :)

On other subject last night on BBC2 there was a documentary on the 1955 LeMans crash (iplayer link) and tonight there's Richard Hammond talking to Stirling Moss (11pm-ish) they've both probably been on before but still great watching.

Hom3r 26-07-2010 19:20
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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35062663)
I wonder if they'll perhaps consider banning two way comms soon and purely have it as one way (driver to pit) with perhaps just an acknoledgement signal in return
They shold perhaps look at only using it for essentail messages.

Jon T 26-07-2010 19:23
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Telling someone that they've got to slow down to let the slower driver past. It ruins the race, it's against the spirit of racing........infact, it's not racing. It becomes a carefully managed stage show, akin to WWE.


Alonso has firmly expressed his true colours with this, Crashgate at Renault, The spying saga at McLaren, and now this. He's a arrogant <insert expleetive> that acts like a spoilt brat.

Renault - makes out that he had no part in his team mates crash

McLaren - Ron called his bluff, Alonso though he could get what he wanted by threatening the team. Now that backfired on him slightly didn't it.

Ferrari - Let's face it, not the cleanest team on the planet, with a history of willingness to forget all about one driver in favour of another, must have looked a dream ticket for Alonso, they make good bed fellows for each other

Pierre 26-07-2010 19:27
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35062807)
Which kind of proves the point. That describes, very well, the team concept in Formula One.
No, it doesn't, the olympic analogy would be like ferrari having a racing team, a sprinter, a rowing team, a long jumper, a power lifter and a basketball team, all wearing ferrari shirts but all competing in completely different sporting events.

In F1 you have a team of mechanics, designers, and drivers all working for the same goal. to win the drivers championship (yes there is the constructors title but that's not the No.1 goal.)

Jon T 26-07-2010 19:46
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35062813)
They shold perhaps look at only using it for essentail messages.
or perhaps get rid of the encryption and make it a totally open system, that way anything that is said is audible to all and available for scrutiny by all.

j52c 26-07-2010 20:24
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35062798)
And had Massa won Ferrari would have been no better off in terms of the drivers championship (which is the title everyone wants, no one remembers the constructors winners, just the driver and the car he was driving).
I think it is the Constructor Title that the teams wish to have the most because of all the money they get if they do win, Ferrari get more than anyone else if they win, that has been known for a long time. the lower down in the Constructors Title you are the less you get that is why the small teams want to at least get some points. I don't think the team get anything if one of their drivers win the championship, except they may have more comapines wishing to offer sponsership money.

Pierre 26-07-2010 20:54
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Originally Posted by j52c (Post 35062847)
I think it is the Constructor Title that the teams wish to have the most because of all the money they get if they do win, Ferrari get more than anyone else if they win, that has been known for a long time. the lower down in the Constructors Title you are the less you get that is why the small teams want to at least get some points. I don't think the team get anything if one of their drivers win the championship, except they may have more comapines wishing to offer sponsership money.
Nobody remembers who won the constructors title, yes they get money and they get first pit on the pit lane but it's the winning driver that gets all the publicity.

When Hamilton won the championship, Ferrari won the constructors title. I don't recall seeing loads of pictures, or adverts, sponorships about ferrari, massa and raikonnen that year.

It was all Hamilton.

Cobbydaler 26-07-2010 22:04
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Luca di Montezemolo condemns 'hypocrisy':

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8856761.stm

Matth 27-07-2010 00:17
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Ferrari are 100% to blame for the rule being there anyway, as it was them that broke the "gentleman's agreement" of team orders in 2002, with a place swap which was not championship critical. When one driver is way back, with no or only a very slim chance, then everyone watching understood and agreed when called on to relinquish a place to the driver with more chance.

And doesn't trouble follow Alonso around?

Flyboy 27-07-2010 01:53
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It certainly does. He was right at the centre of Ferrarigate.

Kymmy 01-08-2010 14:44
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The usual boring Hungary F1 GP isn;t so boring after all....

:D

Hom3r 01-08-2010 15:58
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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35065730)
The usual boring Hungary F1 GP isn;t so boring after all....

:D
Other than Hamilton or Button to win the Drivers championship, Webber is my next favourite.

Should Schuey bet a ban in the next race, for that very very danger move on Barrichello

Kymmy 01-08-2010 16:25
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For that move he really should be seriously dealt with, he could have very easily created a serious accident.

Schumacher should have stayed retired, he was already know for dirty tricks but now he's having to rely on them more and more

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Rubens has asked for the publics' opinions on his twitter account whether he or schumacher was in the right. Let's give him out support :)

http://twitter.com/rubarrichello

Peter_ 01-08-2010 16:30
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I think that Schumacher is trying to kill someone before he retires just for the notoriety it will bring him, he should be banned from all remaining races this season which might make him retire for good.:mad:

Kymmy 01-08-2010 17:53
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10 place grid penalty for Schummi in the next race, also $50k fines for Renault and Mercedes for unsafe release in the pit lane (Kubica crashing into Sutil and Rosberg with a loose wheel)

sherer 01-08-2010 19:05
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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35065824)
10 place grid penalty for Schummi in the next race, also $50k fines for Renault and Mercedes for unsafe release in the pit lane (Kubica crashing into Sutil and Rosberg with a loose wheel)
this is something I was thinking about before this race. The cars are now so safe that I think this has really affected driving standards. With less risk drivers now seem to use their cars as weopons to drive others off the road and i'm not sure a 10 place drop is enough of a punishment

Hom3r 01-08-2010 19:33
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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35065824)
10 place grid penalty for Schummi in the next race, also $50k fines for Renault and Mercedes for unsafe release in the pit lane (Kubica crashing into Sutil and Rosberg with a loose wheel)

I think Renault were unfairly punished, the lollypop man was reacting to a tyre bouncing down the track.

Kymmy 02-08-2010 14:06
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Fantastic quote on SkyTV Germany

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubens
"I like a fair fight. But that wasn't fair here, If Michael wants to go to heaven - in the event that he is going to heaven - then I don't really care. But I don't want to go before him."

Kymmy 08-08-2010 09:28
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A CF thread to look at ;)
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/30...one-these.html

dan dority 08-08-2010 10:09
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f1 has been brilliant this year.
i like button and hamilton to do well but i want alonso to win the championship this year and wouldnt mind shummacher getting a few more points.
i hope the beebs coverage goes hd soon.

Jon T 08-08-2010 10:45
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Originally Posted by dan dority (Post 35069410)
f1 has been brilliant this year.
i like button and hamilton to do well but i want alonso to win the championship this year and wouldnt mind shummacher getting a few more points.
i hope the beebs coverage goes hd soon.
If Alonso wins the championship I might throw something through my TV, he's the most un-deserving, arrogant prat that's ever had the chance of winning the world championship. Hamilton, Button or Webber to win it, Vettel at a push.

As for HD coverage, Grand Prix are filmed by local TV production companies, most of which (all?) don't use HD equipment.

dan dority 08-08-2010 10:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon T (Post 35069427)
If Alonso wins the championship I might throw something through my TV, he's the most un-deserving, arrogant prat that's ever had the chance of winning the world championship. Hamilton, Button or Webber to win it, Vettel at a push.

As for HD coverage, Grand Prix are filmed by local TV production companies, most of which (all?) don't use HD equipment.
i like him he seems a bit of a Dick Dastardly type .

maybe next year well see a few hd races.

sherer 08-08-2010 18:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon T (Post 35069427)
If Alonso wins the championship I might throw something through my TV, he's the most un-deserving, arrogant prat that's ever had the chance of winning the world championship. Hamilton, Button or Webber to win it, Vettel at a push.

As for HD coverage, Grand Prix are filmed by local TV production companies, most of which (all?) don't use HD equipment.
ALL the races apart from Japan are filmed by FOM now. They have some HD onboard cameras but an upgrade is needed to some of the other kit to go HD. With most of the companies around the world that take F1 being 4:3 and not even 16:9 F1 won't go HD until the current kit reaches it's replacement cycling in a few years time

Jon T 08-08-2010 19:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sherer (Post 35069737)
ALL the races apart from Japan are filmed by FOM now. They have some HD onboard cameras but an upgrade is needed to some of the other kit to go HD. With most of the companies around the world that take F1 being 4:3 and not even 16:9 F1 won't go HD until the current kit reaches it's replacement cycling in a few years time
Useful info, cheers, :)

Hom3r 08-08-2010 20:05
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Bernies not letting the moths out of his wallet them.

Flyboy 08-08-2010 22:01
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I have a theory on why Schmacher is behaving the way he is. I think that he wants to be banned, so that he can save face. He has not been performing to the promised level, or what was expected of him and he might be worried about being dropped. However, if he is banned, he won't need to be dropped, he will have the excuse of, "hey, I was a bad boy and got banned, cool huh?"

NoKnowledge 26-08-2010 17:42
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Quote:
Michael Schumacher has personally apologised to Rubens Barrichello....The apology, which came via a text message....
Nice personal touch from Michael

Quote:
Somebody said to him that I was under the impression he had pushed me on to the wall, and he said it wasn't the case and he apologised for that.
So he didn't apologise for the incident just correcting on the way it happened. Nice one Michael.

BBC Sport

Peter_ 26-08-2010 18:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NoKnowledge (Post 35080009)
Nice personal touch from Michael

So he didn't apologise for the incident just correcting on the way it happened. Nice one Michael.

BBC Sport
Schumacher is a dangerous man who is now looking for notoriety as he knows his driving years are now far behind him, and if to gain that notoriety means killing or injuring a fellow driver I believe he will do it, he needs to step away from racing before something really serious happens.

Kymmy 26-08-2010 18:34
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Times/TV for Belgium is as follows

Quote:
Belgian Grand Prix


Spa-Francorchamps, 27-29 August 2010

Fri 27 Aug: Practice 1 0900-1030; Practice 2 1300-1430

Sat 28 Aug: Practice 3 1000-1100; Qualifying 1300

Sun 29 Aug: Race 1300

sherer 26-08-2010 22:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35080049)
Schumacher is a dangerous man who is now looking for notoriety as he knows his driving years are now far behind him, and if to gain that notoriety means killing or injuring a fellow driver I believe he will do it, he needs to step away from racing before something really serious happens.
it was just Schuey being Schuey and nothing he hasn't done in the past so he is unlikely to change.

the current Merc car wasn't design for him and works in a totally different way to how he likes a car to work. Think this shows the main problem with F1, that even a driver as good as MS can't drive around a problem in a car but can only be on the limit when the aero works how he wants.

Next year with new tyres and a car designed for him we will see if he still has it or not

Kymmy 27-08-2010 12:09
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Results of first practice in the rain
Quote:
1 spain Fernando Alonso 8 Ferrari 2:00.797
2 great britain Lewis Hamilton 2 McLaren-Mercedes 2:01.567
3 poland Robert Kubica 11 Renault 2:02.081
4 germany Sebastian Vettel 5 Red Bull-Renault 2:02.450
5 germany Adrian Sutil 14 Force India-Mercedes 2:02.646
6 great britain Jenson Button 1 McLaren-Mercedes 2:02.913
7 australia Mark Webber 6 Red Bull-Renault 2:02.926
8 japan Kamui Kobayashi 23 BMW Sauber-Ferrari 2:03.401
9 brazil Rubens Barrichello 9 Williams-Cosworth 2:03.424
10 germany Michael Schumacher 3 Mercedes GP 2:03.489
11 brazil Felipe Massa 7 Ferrari 2:03.601
12 germany Nico Hulkenberg 10 Williams-Cosworth 2:03.649
13 germany Nico Rosberg 4 Mercedes GP 2:03.654
14 spain Pedro de la Rosa 22 BMW Sauber-Ferrari 2:03.851
15 italy Vitantonio Liuzzi 15 Force India-Mercedes 2:04.145
16 spain Jaime Alguersuari 17 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 2:04.250
17 russia Vitaly Petrov 12 Renault 2:04.690
18 switzerland Sebastien Buemi 16 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 2:05.680
19 germany Timo Glock 24 Virgin-Cosworth 2:05.697
20 brazil Lucas di Grassi 25 Virgin-Cosworth 2:06.695
21 italy Jarno Trulli 18 Lotus-Cosworth 2:07.189
22 brazil Bruno Senna 21 Hispania-Cosworth 2:07.737
23 finland Heikki Kovalainen 19 Lotus-Cosworth 2:07.955
24 japan Sakon Yamamoto 20 Hispania-Cosworth 2:10.507

Kymmy 27-08-2010 15:43
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2nd practice times
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1 spain Fernando Alonso 8 Ferrari 1:49.032
2 germany Adrian Sutil 14 Force India-Mercedes 1:49.157
3 great britain Lewis Hamilton 2 McLaren-Mercedes 1:49.248
4 poland Robert Kubica 11 Renault 1:49.282
5 brazil Felipe Massa 7 Ferrari 1:49.588
6 germany Sebastian Vettel 5 Red Bull-Renault 1:49.689
7 great britain Jenson Button 1 McLaren-Mercedes 1:49.755
8 spain Pedro de la Rosa 22 BMW Sauber-Ferrari 1:50.081
9 brazil Rubens Barrichello 9 Williams-Cosworth 1:50.128
10 japan Kamui Kobayashi 23 BMW Sauber-Ferrari 1:50.200
11 russia Vitaly Petrov 12 Renault 1:50.251
12 germany Michael Schumacher 3 Mercedes GP 1:50.341
13 germany Nico Rosberg 4 Mercedes GP 1:50.382
14 spain Jaime Alguersuari 17 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:50.682
15 germany Nico Hulkenberg 10 Williams-Cosworth 1:50.831
16 italy Vitantonio Liuzzi 15 Force India-Mercedes 1:51.520
17 switzerland Sebastien Buemi 16 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:51.523
18 australia Mark Webber 6 Red Bull-Renault 1:51.636
19 finland Heikki Kovalainen 19 Lotus-Cosworth 1:53.480
20 italy Jarno Trulli 18 Lotus-Cosworth 1:53.639
21 brazil Lucas di Grassi 25 Virgin-Cosworth 1:54.325
22 brazil Bruno Senna 21 Hispania-Cosworth 1:55.751
23 japan Sakon Yamamoto 20 Hispania-Cosworth 1:56.039
24 germany Timo Glock 24 Virgin-Cosworth 2:03.179

Kymmy 28-08-2010 14:05
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Final Practice times though rain soon fell at the end just as cars were on their soft tyres
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1 australia Mark Webber 6 Red Bull-Renault 1:46.106
2 great britain Lewis Hamilton 2 McLaren-Mercedes 1:46.223
3 germany Sebastian Vettel 5 Red Bull-Renault 1:46.396
4 great britain Jenson Button 1 McLaren-Mercedes 1:46.397
5 poland Robert Kubica 11 Renault 1:46.492
6 spain Fernando Alonso 8 Ferrari 1:46.627
7 brazil Felipe Massa 7 Ferrari 1:46.962
8 germany Adrian Sutil 14 Force India-Mercedes 1:47.064
9 germany Nico Hulkenberg 10 Williams-Cosworth 1:47.160
10 japan Kamui Kobayashi 23 BMW Sauber-Ferrari 1:47.296
11 spain Pedro de la Rosa 22 BMW Sauber-Ferrari 1:47.388
12 russia Vitaly Petrov 12 Renault 1:47.406
13 brazil Rubens Barrichello 9 Williams-Cosworth 1:47.512
14 germany Michael Schumacher 3 Mercedes GP 1:47.695
15 germany Nico Rosberg 4 Mercedes GP 1:47.837
16 switzerland Sebastien Buemi 16 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:47.905
17 spain Jaime Alguersuari 17 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:47.981
18 italy Vitantonio Liuzzi 15 Force India-Mercedes 1:48.692
19 italy Jarno Trulli 18 Lotus-Cosworth 1:50.600
20 brazil Bruno Senna 21 Hispania-Cosworth 1:51.133
21 finland Heikki Kovalainen 19 Lotus-Cosworth 1:51.384
22 brazil Lucas di Grassi 25 Virgin-Cosworth 1:51.517
23 germany Timo Glock 24 Virgin-Cosworth 1:51.669
24 japan Sakon Yamamoto 20 Hispania-Cosworth 1:52.001


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Not a good start for Rosberg and Petrov. Rosberg needed a gearbox change after last practice so will endure a 5 place drop on the grid and Petrov overcooked a corner in the second minute of the first qualifying session so it's been red flagged at 18:02 left on the clock whilst they remove his car.

Of course Schummy has a 10 place drop for his dangerous Ruben's move

Hom3r 28-08-2010 15:20
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The toy thrower is 10th :D

Kymmy 28-08-2010 15:25
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Yep, just in front of the cheat who was 11th and is now 21st :D

j52c 28-08-2010 18:54
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Going to be interesting if Alonso catches up to Massa, will Massa have to let him pass or will he ignore the order.

Looks like Red Bull are using a different front wing, it doesn't appear to be as near to the ground now, even when the car is stood, me thinks that is why the front wing passed the FIA inspection today.

rogerdraig 29-08-2010 17:22
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hmm rain

Kymmy 29-08-2010 17:33
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Great race, lots of excitment and a great win by Lewis.

Result =

1st Lewis H
2nd Mark W
3rd Robert K
Booby prize goes to Vettel and best attacking move goes to Rubens on Alfonso :D

mr_bo 29-08-2010 20:36
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Shame about Jenson, he did well to get to p2 only to be nerfed off, could of kept his championship alive but I fear it's over for him now. Also pleased Webber outraced Vettel.

alferret 30-08-2010 12:37
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Vettle's new business venture.

http://sniffpetrol.com/2010/08/30/1809/

sherer 30-08-2010 21:22
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wonder how many people will say vettel should retire now ? We get these comments about MS but Vettel has had two crashes this year and made a few errors last year too

mr_bo 01-09-2010 14:47
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The Flexi-wing controversy continues..

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/0...el-hit-button/

When you watch the onboard from Vettel you can clearly see the wing deflect on the left side as he dips out of Button's wake, surely must unsettle the car?

Kymmy 01-09-2010 20:39
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New proposed US F1 circuit looks good..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8961713.stm

hedgie 03-09-2010 10:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_bo (Post 35083604)
The Flexi-wing controversy continues..

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/0...el-hit-button/

When you watch the onboard from Vettel you can clearly see the wing deflect on the left side as he dips out of Button's wake, surely must unsettle the car?
James's site is one of my top links for F1 news, that's a really good read. I would also reccomend any afficianado's check out SCARBSF1 as well. There are some really good technical threads on there including a detailed explanation of how Ferrari got their F2007 to lower the front wing by upto 20mm;)

Be prepared for in depth tech talk, especially on the ignition retard and exhaust gas diffuser issues. :)

Cheers

mr_bo 03-09-2010 10:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hedgie (Post 35084603)
James's site is one of my top links for F1 news, that's a really good read. I would also reccomend any afficianado's check out SCARBSF1 as well. There are some really good technical threads on there including a detailed explanation of how Ferrari got their F2007 to lower the front wing by upto 20mm;)

Be prepared for in depth tech talk, especially on the ignition retard and exhaust gas diffuser issues. :)

Cheers
That'll be Vettel...:p:

alferret 07-09-2010 12:10
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The first tentative steps taken by an F1 car around the Korean GP circuit, Red Bull car, driven by Karun Chandhok.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD5jHiTK_pA

alferret 08-09-2010 15:05
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2011 season race calendar.

13/03 Bahrain - 27/03 Aust - 10/04 Malaysia - 17/4 China - 08/05 Turkey - 22/05 Spain - 29/05 Monaco - 12/06 Canada - 26/06 Europe - 10/07 Britain - 24/07 Germany - 31/07 Hungary - 28/08 Belgium - 11/09 Italy - 25/09 Singapore - 09/10 Japan - 16/10 Korea - 30/10 India - 13/11 Abu Dhabi - 27/11 Brazil.

No 13th team for the grid either.
Quote:
An FIA statement read as follows: ”Following the press release of 19 March 2010 calling for expressions of interest to participate in the 2011 and 2012 seasons of the FIA Formula One World Championship, a number of interested parties expressed their interest. It was considered that none of the candidates met the requirements to be granted an entry into the Championship.
“Consequently, the allocation of the 13th team will not be granted.”
http://adamcooperf1.com/2010/09/08/f...slot-for-2011/

mr_bo 08-09-2010 18:24
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Ferrari escape further punishment

alferret 08-09-2010 18:25
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Ferrari seem to have escaped any further punishment.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8964502.stm

Beaten to it ;)

Hom3r 08-09-2010 19:44
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Well FIA does stand for Ferrari International Assistance.

NoKnowledge 08-09-2010 22:08
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I wonder what the entry requirements were?

Hom3r 08-09-2010 22:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NoKnowledge (Post 35088069)
I wonder what the entry requirements were?
Pay Bernie a truck load of cash :D

Jon T 08-09-2010 22:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_bo (Post 35087929)
Ferrari escape further punishment
I haven't replied to this yet because I wouldn't be allowed to put what i wanted to put earlier.

So basically, it works like this: Every team other that Ferrari obey the rules and get punished if they break them. When Ferarri break the rules, that rule then get's put forward as a candidate to be got rid of, as it's obviously an inpedement to Ferarri, which obviously just isn't on at all.

Ferrari = Arrogant team which get's away with everything

Alonso = Arrogant driver who get's away with everything

What a perfect marriage!

alferret 08-09-2010 22:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon T (Post 35088095)
I haven't replied to this yet because I wouldn't be allowed to put what i wanted to put earlier.

So basically, it works like this: Every team other that Ferrari obey the rules and get punished if they break them. When Ferarri break the rules, that rule then get's put forward as a candidate to be got rid of, as it's obviously an inpedement to Ferarri, which obviously just isn't on at all.

Ferrari = Arrogant team which get's away with everything

Alonso = Arrogant driver who get's away with everything

What a perfect marriage!
Yup

sherer 09-09-2010 10:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon T (Post 35088095)
I haven't replied to this yet because I wouldn't be allowed to put what i wanted to put earlier.

So basically, it works like this: Every team other that Ferrari obey the rules and get punished if they break them. When Ferarri break the rules, that rule then get's put forward as a candidate to be got rid of, as it's obviously an inpedement to Ferarri, which obviously just isn't on at all.

Ferrari = Arrogant team which get's away with everything

Alonso = Arrogant driver who get's away with everything

What a perfect marriage!
All the teams have been doing the same thing ever since the rule was in place. Either a driver has a slow in or out lap, or the pit stop takes a second too long or a whole host of other stuff that goes on to switch positions. All the teams do it and have been since 2002 so to single out Ferrari for doing what the others did would be wrong.

Common sense has prevailed and the rule is due to be looked at and probably removed at the next meeting anyway. To punish a team over a rule you are about to remove would also be stupid.

Kymmy 09-09-2010 10:45
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They didn't single out Ferrari, instead Ferrari singled out themselves with that rediculous radio traffic :rolleyes:

sherer 09-09-2010 11:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35088347)
They didn't single out Ferrari, instead Ferrari singled out themselves with that rediculous radio traffic :rolleyes:
all Ferrari were guilty of was making it too obvious. They still did the same as all the other teams have been doing and so the right result came out of the hearing.

Kymmy 09-09-2010 11:06
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Nope, they were guilty of the offence, perhaps like many other teams, unlike the other teams they were just stupid enough to get caught by their own public actions

Damien 12-09-2010 15:18
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If Button lost speed because of Alonso then isn't it unfair that Alonso takes over?

Kymmy 13-09-2010 10:33
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Didn't get a chance to watch much of the Monza race.. I did though see Lewis go out (nice to see a driver hold up his hands and say "Yep, my fault")

News for next year is that Lotus has ended their contract with Cosworth and will run Renault engines next year, will be interesting to see how competitive they become after the switch especially if they keep Jano and Hieki as drivers

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8993100.stm

sherer 13-09-2010 11:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35090020)
If Button lost speed because of Alonso then isn't it unfair that Alonso takes over?
Not sure what you are talking about there. When did Button lose speed because of Alonso ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35090378)
Didn't get a chance to watch much of the Monza race.. I did though see Lewis go out (nice to see a driver hold up his hands and say "Yep, my fault")

News for next year is that Lotus has ended their contract with Cosworth and will run Renault engines next year, will be interesting to see how competitive they become after the switch especially if they keep Jano and Hieki as drivers

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8993100.stm
Also Lotus will be called Team Lotus next year using the old name they entered under F1 before. This season they are Lotus Racing

Aragorn 13-09-2010 12:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sherer (Post 35090413)
Not sure what you are talking about there. When did Button lose speed because of Alonso ?



Also Lotus will be called Team Lotus next year using the old name they entered under F1 before. This season they are Lotus Racing
Iirc, Button and Alonso had a minor touching at the first corner at which Button lost part of his diffuser (?), resulting in a loss of downforce.

Kymmy 13-09-2010 12:54
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Was suprised to see Vettel lasting so long on the option tires...

sherer 13-09-2010 13:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aragorn (Post 35090450)
Iirc, Button and Alonso had a minor touching at the first corner at which Button lost part of his diffuser (?), resulting in a loss of downforce.
Alsonso lost part of his nose as well. Seeing as Button stayed in the lead until the first round of pit stops and both seemed to be evenly matched I don't think it was much of an issue.

I think Button just went too far on the downforce setup and should have taken a bit of rear wing out just not as much as the others

Cobbydaler 20-09-2010 17:17
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Not seen this posted anywhere yet:

Formula 1 sponsors form alliance

Unsurprisingly, Bernie thinks they're "silly"...

Stuart 20-09-2010 17:25
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Is it me, or is it increasingly obvious that the main thing holding F1 back is Bernie Ecclestone?

Kymmy 20-09-2010 17:30
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Most say there's two people holding back F1.. One of them is Bernie, the other used to be Max Mosely but is now Jean Todt

Hom3r 20-09-2010 19:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35094921)
Is it me, or is it increasingly obvious that the main thing holding F1 back is Bernie Ecclestone?

Bernie should have retired ages ago.

Flyboy 22-09-2010 12:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobbydaler (Post 35094918)
Not seen this posted anywhere yet:

Formula 1 sponsors form alliance

Unsurprisingly, Bernie thinks they're "silly"...
Well, I think I agree with Bernie of this one. They are sponsors, if they don't agree with the strategy then they don't sponsor the sport. The sport does not need more super-corporate influence on it, it needs less.

Kymmy 22-09-2010 12:41
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But without sponsorship would the sport exist in it's popular format ;)

It's like TV, how long do you think that ITV/C4/C5 could survive without adverts... so surely the advertisment companies should have some say in the sport.. What is needed is a happy compromise

sherer 22-09-2010 12:53
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the advertisers pay for exposure. Does that mean Embassy should have some say in changing the rules of snooker as they sponsor that ?

The advertisers are in the sport for exposure, as soon as that has run it's course they will pull out. Why should they have any say, they are fuly aware of what sport they are in when they pay to sponsor a car.

Flyboy 22-09-2010 12:54
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I am pretty sure that there would a lot of other sponsors willing to replace them.

Kymmy 22-09-2010 12:58
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They're not talking about race rule changes, they're talking about decisions that effect their brands..

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35096033)
I am pretty sure that there would a lot of other sponsors willing to replace them.
Not sure there is atm..

sherer 22-09-2010 13:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35096036)
They're not talking about race rule changes, they're talking about decisions that effect their brands..



Not sure there is atm..
what decisions would those be though ?

Or should the cars go slower so they can be seen better ?

Kymmy 22-09-2010 14:21
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There's a lot more to sponsorship details than just the livery of the cars within a race :rolleyes:


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