Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35152278)

And why is this a reason to bring back fox hunting?

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35152286)

It isn't but if you'd had the decency to bother reading the first post in the thread you'd know it wasn't me that said bring it back but a senior Tory and that my main interest in this subject is the urban fox menace.

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35152315)

I think a bigger problem is the urban dog menace, You have more people attacked by urban dogs than foxes. so my question would be should we start hunting them with packs of dogs ????.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35152329)

I believe the urban fox hunter's weapon of choice is a cricket bat.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35152282)

Perhaps we should change the thread header to "Ban sensationalist reporting, especially the over-use of capitalised words......":D

(although quite why her cat flap was in upper case escapes me....)

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35152315)

I think a bigger problem is the urban dog menace, You have more people attacked by urban dogs than foxes. so my question would be should we start hunting them with packs of dogs ????.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35152604)

shotguns that's the answer to the dog problem -and i can think of a few choice punishments for selfish dog owners who allow their dogs to run wild and crap on every square inch of grass in the uk :mad:

Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35152614)

Don't forget the cat owners. I think cat owners should be made to walk their pets on a leash (rather than let them roam the neighbours' gardens) and clean up after them, just like dog owners.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35152619)

There are no laws regarding cats and fouling. A cat holds a unique position in law in that the owner of the cat is not held to be responsible for the consequences of any trespass by the cat. It is an offence to put down poison or set snares for a cat.

Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35152614)

Don't forget the cat owners. I think cat owners should be made to walk their pets on a leash (rather than let them roam the neighbours' gardens) and clean up after them, just like dog owners.

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35152638)

You ever tried that?

Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35152645)

Are you kidding? I hate cats :)



Oh, great. So if you're lucky and your neighbour's cat tries to bury it you find a half-buried turd in your upturned flower beds. That must make it alright then...

Sorry, but I see no reason why people should be allowed to have their pets soil other people's gardens. Dogs or cats, doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35152645)

Are you kidding? I hate cats :)



Oh, great. So if you're lucky and your neighbour's cat tries to bury it you find a half-buried turd in your upturned flower beds. That must make it alright then...

Sorry, but I see no reason why people should be allowed to have their pets soil other people's gardens. Dogs or cats, doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35152656)

We all have to live alongside our neighbours and there are worse things to contend with than cats possibly ,maybe fouling your garden..Feeding foxes and badgers so they haunt your bins and get into your rubbish.Loud parties for hours when your partner is on shift work,Car alarms and house alarms and constant DIY with the largest loudest power tools in the world.Cutting the grass/DIY before 9 am on a Sunday morning..Noisy drunken teenagers hanging about the street until all hours

Oh yes I really cannot get bummed about a bit of cat poo that can be dug into the garden as a bit of compost.There are worse behaviours from one's neighbours to contend with.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35152683)

what about birds ,you gonna shoot them for crapping in your garden aswell

Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35152708)

Actually, I'm a very laid back person :)

The main annoyance where I live at present is the fact that my neighbours have 3 dogs that go on a barking frenzy at random moments during the day or night. I do not enjoy being woken up by 3 barking dogs next door.

These dogs will also on occasion find a way through the fence/hedge and crap on my lawn until my neighbour plugs the hole in the fence. I'm fine with this. The neighbours pick up any poo they spot in my garden, and fix any holes in the fence/hedge as they develop. A slight annoyance, but no problem.

The neighbours on the other side have cats. For some reason, they don't seem to use my garden as a toilet. I guess I'm lucky this time around.

In the past however, I've had the discomfort of living in a house that had a garden that seemed to function as a communal toilet for several neighbourhood cats. I couldn't have a meal in the garden because of the flies that were attracted to the copious amounts of cat dung dropped in it. It was no fun at all, and really made me wonder why it is somehow considered acceptable to allow your pet cat to crap wherever it likes when people get fined for not picking up after their dog. It really doesn't make much sense to me.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35152733)

I do sympathise ,but there isn't much you can do about the cats ,ultimately cats ,unless kept in the house all the time are wild animals ,dogs however are a different story ,just remember it's not the dogs fault so shoot the neigbour;)

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35152747)

Cat owners will get all sniffy and tell you that cats always bury their doodoo. Someone forgot to tell that to the cat that used to dump all over the patio at our first house.

We got through a fortune trying different cat deterrents until we found one that worked.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35152747)

We got through a fortune trying different cat deterrents until we found one that worked.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35156662)

Of course, the fox in that photo is almost certainly dead ... i.e. someone has killed it for your entertainment. ;)

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35166766)

Wow, it left a "gaping wound" on the end of her finger. This is worse than a Daily Heil story.

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35166778)

It left the wound on her arm, near her wrist. Most people don't have fingers that near their wrists.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35166807)

Yup, not a finger wound at all really....

Perhaps the Star isn't as bad as the Mail after all.... :D

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35166800)

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...011/02/115.jpg

ThisIsCornwall

Here is the Fail's version of the story - terrible writing (loved the picture of a fox, in case anyone didn't know what one looked like...)

If it bit her on the finger, that is one helluva elastoplast.....

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...011/02/116.jpg

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35166812)

What - the cooking fat?

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35166813)

. :shrug:

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35166778)

It left the wound on her arm, near her wrist. Most people don't have fingers that near their wrists.

Originally Posted by The Daily Mail

Doctors suggested maybe the fox had been struck by a car and was dazed, which is why it reacted.

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35166766)

Wow, it left a "gaping wound" on the end of her finger. This is worse than a Daily Heil story.

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35166923)

It looked like a finger from the picture. :shrug:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35167257)

Hmm! If a fox won't move after it's been honked at and it won't move for the car in the first place I'd say that it's become too attuned to humans.

On the other hand I don't think I'd have approached the animal just in case it was crazy with Rabies..:erm:

Originally Posted by Tuftus (Post 35167286)

...(Shameless quote from a James Bond Film...)

Originally Posted by staggie (Post 35264341)

we either ban all or allow both

Originally Posted by staggie (Post 35264362)

good keep em all banned if they bring one back bring em all back
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35264476)

Unusual view, imho - all or nothing...

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35264478)

My view is one view and that is to ban it.

Originally Posted by staggie (Post 35264605)

how about sheep worrying tho

Originally Posted by staggie (Post 35264338)

fair enough if we allow the upper class fox hunting them the working class dog fighting and badger baiting should be legal too

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 35264661)

But fox hunting could be regarded as just one means to control a pest. Dog fighting is simply there for entertainment. If foxes weren't so "cute" and linked with folk tails would we have cared so much? That the creatures can get into the coop and simply kill every bird present when at most it needs one.

My aunt in law's views of badgers isn't printable. She's a dairy farmer firmly in the belief of the link between TB and the little black and white furries.

Originally Posted by staggie (Post 35264803)

so why not just hire a specialist wjho is an expert witha rifle to shoot em
fox hunting is entertainment also

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35264820)

because that would be too easy and make far too much sense;) about the same as building a chicken coup that a fox can't get into ,that is the lamest justification for fox hunting i have ever heard

Originally Posted by staggie (Post 35264824)

be cheaper than maintaining all the horse n dogs too

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35264830)

couldn't give two monkeys about that they pay for themselves anyway in other sports that don't involve ripping animals apart .All the pre ban hype about the countryside going bankrupt because of the ban has proved groundless

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35264857)

I did say for sport.... Yes some animals may kill needlessly but humans are the only ones who not only organise it for entertainment but also have contests based on killing needlessly..

Originally Posted by staggie (Post 35264362)

good keep em all banned if they bring one back bring em all back
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35265096)

What about boxing or MMA? - lots of blood spilt in those activities.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35265155)

Strange then, that the Medical Associations of Great Britain, Canada, and Australia have called for a ban on boxing, and, according to the BMA, over 80% of professional boxers have serious brain scarring on MRI scans.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35265161)

But the Medical associations would say that Hugh and lets remember there is a risk in most sports and even in our normal day life.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35265165)

Thank you for that non-sequitur.....

Bloody doctors, who do they think they are, trying to stop people being killed and suffering long-term brain damage - what do they know? (oh yes, they are medical professionals, and do not have a vested interest).

There is a difference between the risk of being punched in everyday life, and the certainty in boxing......

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35265155)

Strange then, that the Medical Associations of Great Britain, Canada, and Australia have called for a ban on boxing, and, according to the BMA, over 80% of professional boxers have serious brain scarring on MRI scans.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35265190)

Are they afforded a choice, or is it the only way they can earn money?

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35265190)

Are they afforded a choice, or is it the only way they can earn money?

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35265214)

You obviously have never lived in Govan.......

(no horses, though...)

If you remember, I am against fox-hunting, but also against hypocrisy - how people can care more about vermin, but think it is ok for people to try to beat each other to death, causes me some confusion....

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35265218)

Many people do not see foxes as vermin.:)

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35265096)

What about boxing or MMA? - lots of blood spilt in those activities.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35265241)

Whereas for some of us, cats...... :mad:

Decline in song birds

Predation of wildlife by cats

Apart from having your garden rotavated and turned into a cat's latrine.:mad::mad:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35265241)

Whereas for some of us, cats...... :mad:

Decline in song birds

Predation of wildlife by cats

Apart from having your garden rotavated and turned into a cat's latrine.:mad::mad:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35265232)

Way to go not focusing on the actual point of the statement....:erm:

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35265499)

What was the point of the statement then? Because it seemed to me that it was focusing specifically on what you appear to see as people's overreaction to the protection of what you consider to be vermin.

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35265522)

You say foxywoxy as if you don't care :(

Originally Posted by staggie (Post 35265237)

more people get killed horse riding than boxing every year and its well regulated