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Question, can you only use Tamiflu once in your life?

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Russ, they're probably trying to get tamiflu...

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If I get it, I won't be using Tamiflu. I've spoken to some of our senior pharmacists who said it probably only reduces the symptoms by a day so I'd rather build up my own immunity.

I wonder how many of the Tamiflu manufacturing management are receiving bonus' ;)

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Am I right in assuming those that are dying from this virus alone are suffering an adverse effect to it a bit (lamens terms) like an alergy? I know most have had underlying illness and Tamiflu would not really have made a difference unless they were actually on Tamiflu all the time so they never actually contract the disease?

So basically if you are going to have an adverse reaction to this virus you are going to whether you take Tamiflu or not?

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Thats what i've been led to believe Zing :shrug:

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It does make sense to me. I feel this distribution of Tamiflu is a calm the public measure making them think that they are actually getting treated when in all fairness I believe the only ones really getting treated are those who end up in the hands of the medical profession and who are seriously ill.

Afterall we have all been told there is no cure for the common cold which translates to no cure for a virus. :)

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What gets me is where all this panic is coming from..No one I know has it or is worrying about getting it..let alone phoning up about it. :erm:

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If I had flu I wouldn't want to stand by the phone and answer questions. We don't get tamiflu and have flu hotlines when it's the winter...

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At the beginning of August my Niece is traveling from Manchester to France by train which necessitates a short trip on foot between stations in London. She is insisting that she and her 3 children wear face masks and surgical gloves for the whole time she is in the Capital. Her husband is flatly refusing to wear his much to her annoyance.

If any one sees them please say Hi from Auntie Jo. :D

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Maggy this flu is acting differently than any other flu. Its the fastest spreading pandemic in a long long time. Its spreading during summer which is also rare. The flu virus can mutate and become worse very easily and the vaccine will not be ready before the weather turns and its possibly resurges. The resurge may not happen as it may not go anywhere.

I think apathy could be our downfall maybe not with this flu but if Birdflu mutates and passes between humans we could have very serious consequences of our apathy.

I am worried about where this flu could go . Its not ruining my life but I am concerned about the winter. If the danger wasnt real do you think the government would not have spent so much time and money into putting in place what they have done?

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Seasonal flu is not a pandemic and it tends not to be a new strain this is a new strain so there is no inherited immunity

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It's only spreading quickly because, as you said, it is a new strain and no-one is really immune to it. People get colds in summer, just less - and in any case, there is still the possibility it could be mistaken for other things.

H5Nx will never be as contagious as H1Nx because its site is lower in the respiratory tract (the lungs, not the throat) and so whilst the illness is more severe (which also means it is more likely to immobilise people, so that stops them spreading it) it is also less easy for people to cough and sneeze out the virus. So you have the severe, non-contagious strain and the non-severe, contagious strain...

not a lot you can do getting worked up about getting it... might as well just live normally and if you get it... you get it. It's not as though people get all scary about flu and norovirus normally.
And it isn't like governments to instil fear into the population to make them reliant on the government is it? Fact is the government and the media can overhype things...

No, it's endemic because it's in the community already - flu mutates all the time anyway, which is why you get it more than once. How badly you get it depends on the infective dose, your exposure to it and also how your immune system deals with it - fever, aches and stuff are all part of your immune response to deal with the virus.
I don't really think the masks do anything at all. Only for a short while and only if you actually have it, and then it stops you breathing out the virus.

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Not much use at all as a preventative measure as once they are damp, they don’t work and because of respiration they become damp fairly quickly and any virus would just seep in or out.

Even if you only wear them for a short while, if it has been contaminated, you could still infect yourself by handling the mask as you take it off and dispose of it.

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So I ask you how many people do YOU know who has swine fever?

How about a show of hands among us as to how many of us are acquainted with anyone who has it or has had it..and I mean actually KNOW they have have/had it?

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I don't know anyone with swine fever, but I know one with swine flu, and I also know there is an outbreak where my daughter works (ironically, for a private health insurance company). The symptoms are no worse than any other flu, as far as I know, but it does exist!

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I know a couple of people who've got it. And my business partner also works in a school (IT tech) where they had several pupils and staff of with it.

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My ex wifes sisters husband has had it and luckily her sister didnt catch it but thats the only person I know

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I work for my local trust in the IT department and they are pretty much wanting to pull us out of doing our work to do this, its not practical for an IT Engineer to do this, we have too much on and alot to support so an engineer needs to be available.

It's all overated to be honest, best fix rather than the tamiflu is to have a week off work, relax, chill and let your body deal with it naturally. The Tamiflu stuff can actually make you worse that actual Swine Flu.

It's all big scam to cover up the MP expenses scandle (I apologise if this has been mentioned, not read the whole thread just wanted to add my bit)

/rant over

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http://www.flubay.co.uk/

:D

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Excellent :) lol

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:rolleyes::D:D:D

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Well I've known a few who've had it but only cos I work in the NHS :D

Oh and my boss has it along with another colleague.

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Sales up 20% and they expect to be making cool billion franc profit in 2 years

http://tinyurl.com/m4688l

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I havn't got it or had it and don't know anyone that has had it though i have heard countless rumours of how it is sweeping through the town i live in. Way i look at it is you come into life with a set amount of time and when that time is up you pop off doesn't matter what does for you time is time and when it's up it's up. I have better things to do then constantly worry about what will kill me i am more interested in finding more ways to have fun with life :).

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http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=353 .

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I know of five kids that live very nearby to the shops that I work at who have had it. I'm surprised more people haven't had it by now, but I've read that to some people it's just like 'normal' flu and they will be fine with just paracetemol & water.

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The only time I'll start worrying is when they send carts round the streets with people shouting "Bring out your dead".

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Give us a call then!

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you touch your forehead and if it feels hotter than normal then you have a temperature also you would feel cold and clammy

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I thought Tamiflu was only any use if taken within 2 days of symptoms?

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it's not just tamiflu and treatment is given if the symptoms have been there for less than 7 days.

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I still think its probably best to get diagnosed, even if you opt for no treatment. That way you'll know you're free to speak to anyone without fearing of catching it again ;)

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This in no way is having a go at you or the other workers but they appear to be wasting stocks of Tamiflu by giving them to people who are outside the benefit range.

Taken from the Tamiflu website http://www.tamiflu.com/

What are they thinking? we might really need these stocks in the winter and they are wasting them now .I have not really been keeping up but what else do you do besides Tamiflu

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I think there will be more than enough stocks available ;) (call me a cynic but....)

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I'm not sure which treatments are available but it's not just tamiflu.

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But if they do waste it and over use it does that not increase the chances of a treatment resistant strain developing? perscribing any drug when it is of no benefit has to be neglectful do you not think?

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Relenza is the anti viral pregnant women can take

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Well one of my neighbours is being sent some tamiflu after calling the pandemic centre or whatever it is called and all he did was repeat the symptoms part of that leaflet that was sent out a while ago. Sorry but given how much we are spending on treatments i think it is completely stupid for anyone but a doctor to prescribe or distribute them and seems more like a pr gimmick to me then anything really usefull.

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Call me a cynic but

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ne-makers.html

Not a conflict of interest there at all. :rolleyes:

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This is incredible. One of the chavs near me just pronounced Hartlepool as 'Hartle Pool'. I'm loving this :)

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The DM's inside reporting into the SF centre is quite an interesting read...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...l-hotline.html

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It's still the Daily Mail though..to b read with emetic in hand...;)

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If no one ever died from so called normal flu then i might be a bit alarmed by swine flu but the fact is peope die every year from ordinary flu and while that toll might sadly rise with swine flu this is not the massive thing some in the media would like us to all worry about. I am getting heartily sick and tired of the way the media is hyping this all up it's as if they want a panic and have people worrying that the worst is going to happen.

Also getting tired of the seemingly growing number of people that seem to be relishing the idea that many many people could die from this because it would validate some obsurd conspiracy theory they have. I don't know how damaging swine flu might end up being but what it has shown us so far is that a lot of people in this world are of the worst kind not the best kind that we need more of for anything to get better.

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Derek posted that the other day - some of it is right but most of it is rubbish.

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Just been listening to Jeremy Vine, as I suspected they're handing out Tamiflu like it's candy. Virtually anyone and everyone that applies for it, is getting it.

Even tourists, and illegal immigrants visiting this country can get it - Free.

More money into the bottomless pit we call the NHS

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When the helpline was set up last week it was assumed we'd get people cheating the system in order to get treatment.

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Call me a cynic if you wish, but every time the media come up with one of these panic stories my first thought is "What are they trying to hide?"

These ridiculous PR & media-generated issues are often trying to divert attention from real issues that certain people would prefer that we ignored.

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I'm just waiting for the inevitable report into the use of Tamiflu and the helpline in a few months time coming out with a recommendation everyone is issued with ID cards to stop people picking up multiple batches of Tamiflu.

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Tamiflu is costing us a bomb and it shouldn't be given out willy nilly like it is sorry but this is turning into a joke.

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There are already cases of Tamiflu resistant swine flu I can see it being useless sooner rather than later

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hello. For some reason I decided to pop in the newsagents on my way to work at the supermarket this evening, and do the online test.

I have been feeling depressed & unwell generally since the weekend; little coughs now & again, a few sneezes, but mainly aching joints & limbs, light-headed... past couple of days had hideous headache, & felt sick a lot. I hate being sick & will do anything to avoid it, so just tried to ignore it. Then today, I had explosions in the bathroom, from the other end. I didn't think much of this until just before I was due to go to work, and I looked in the loo and thought :confused: cos it was just so gross! That prompted me to do the test. I'd been thinking for a few days 'I think I've got the symptoms' but I really wasn't expecting to do the test for it to suddenly appear after a few questions - your reference no. is.. I kinda froze and freaked out a bit. I thought it would say take some paracetemol. :rolleyes:


I don't feel like I've got a cold. Though hubby says I do feel hot, & I feel cold.

I can't believe I'm posting this, but I'm hoping it might be useful to know what my symptoms were and how 'different' it is for each person.. :shrug:

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If you call up the helpline I guarantee you'll be authorised the antiviral treatment.

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hubby has literally just arrived with it ;)

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the symptoms are VERY similar to how i feel , sore throat which comes and goes , light headed , nausea , and general aching of the joints. I'm just passing this off as a bit of a bug as at least three or four of us at work have felt the same and most now feel fine , is this a warning ??? , just to add , one thing i don't seem to have is a temperature.

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If you've got a temperature too get on to the helpline.

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thanks , edited in after , no temperature :)

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I read this in New Scientist a few weeks ago...

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...-pandemic.html

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I think it's hard to tell if you have a temperature if you don't have a themometer - which seems to be a rare commodity, our chemist had sold out, even of the £6.99 ones! My temperature and the bathroom issue were the last two symptoms I got, and they both came on very suddenly yesterday - so please be very weary bulkylad & colleagues. :erm:

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Yes and the more its pumped out to people who do not need it or are outside the 2 day symptom range which the blooming call centre appears to be doing the soon the virus will become resistant to it

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It's just been clarified that anyone in England can get the treatment over the phone. Even those who don't live there or are just visiting for the day.

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I don't understand why?

(I don't know her age or health but) If you a healthy adult with no underlying health problems why do you need the anti-viral drug?????

It's confirmed that this strain of flu is no more dangerous than seasonal flu.

If you think you're coming down with the flu, go home, and on the way buy plenty of fruit, liquids, and beechams and tough it out.

If you are pregnant, elderly, have an underlying condition then fine get the drugs.

I don't understand why we giving out Tamiflu to normally healthy people. Are people paying prescription charges for this?? or is it free??

If it's free then it beggars belief.

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I meant anyone displaying the symptoms who is currently in England whether they live there or not.

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It is good for headlines though and I'd be amazed if there are not some pretty high level connections between the government and the companies currently enjoying the happy times supplying the NHS with Tamiflu.

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Fair enough,

My point is though, that even if you are displaying the symptoms you should not automatically qualify for the drug.

I'm sure alot of the callers would be fine sat at home in a duvet with a hot water bottle.

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So i have a question (or two)...

As a pregnant woman, why exactly am i "at risk"? Is it because my immune system is lowered, or because the 'virus' would spread to baby? Or both? :confused:

I mean, is it that i'm more likely to catch it than non pregnant people, or that it's more dangerous if i do?

Baby is due in December, and apparently we should be getting ready for it being much worse in winter - should i be considering a home birth, or is that ridiculous? :erm:

My thinking would be that it's surely better for me to have it whilst pregnant, than just after giving birth (which a link on here said 2 women have died from it just after giving birth) and baby getting it whilst newborn?

Anyway i'm not donning the face masks or anything, but i've not showed too much interest in this so far as i have tried not to get lured into the media scaremongering. However i do think it's likely i'm going to get it, with a 6 yr old back at school next month, and i have visions of the hospitals being full of contagious people when i go into labour :D

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Here you go Pia http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Pandemi...nantwomen.aspx

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..and another site, which has been updated recently to take in all the current thinking.

http://www.nct.org.uk/info-centre/information/view-117

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Thanks for the links :)

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Just read that link - genius idea to put a child with a temperature in a sling. That will keep them cool.....

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Lol i thought the same when i read that.

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Very dodgy advise, and surprising considering the organisation behind the site is the National Childbirth Trust.

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"GPs fear swine flu misdiagnosis"

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I'm starting to get tired of this media horse**** about the helpline.

We do NOT diagnose people as having swine flu or any kind of condition.

We ask a series of questions and judging from the answers that callers give, our systems decide if they would benefit from antiviral treatment. Nothing more.

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Lol did they seriously just put tonsillitis in with meningitis when talking about serious illnesses? :eek:

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it depends how you react to it some people it can be a nasty infection but you are right not quite same league lol

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I get it really bad, now and again, and i know it's no walk in the park, but honestly :D

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Apparently a 13 year old boy from Bristol was sent home from school with a temperature/aches and they rang for help and was told it was suspected SF and got Tamiflu for him but he still had temperature and stuff, and his mum insisted it wasn't SF and took him to hospital... turns out he had a kidney infection and spent 6 days in hospital and could have died.

This paranoia about SF is meaning stuff is getting misdiagnosed - it's not the fault of the web or the people in the call centres but so many things but sf can have those symptoms and they're presuming it is and giving antivirals... Maybe they should actually be following up these suspected cases with GPs or something to make sure it isn't like meningitis, or something. Someone will die soon - thankfully it wasn't that kid because his mum had enough sense to make sure he got looked at properly.

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I think the swine flu call centre should be advisory only and not in anyway sending out medication it should be a case of call give what symptoms you have if any and then be advised whether you should contact your local surgery. Sorry Russ i am not questioning you or others at the centre but i don't believe this is the best way to effectively treat swine flu or the handing out of tamiflu as people will lie and for these poor sods in that call centre they have no way to tell yet will get slammed in the media it isn't fair to them or to people that may have it.

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I don't think most people need tamiflu anyway. It's only a mild illness, in most cases, and you don't normally have antivirals with normal flu.

Plus the side-effects and potential resistance of flu to tamiflu mean really we shouldn't be using it normally.

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It may not be the best way but I don't like the alternatives that I have been able to come up with.

Have all the people who are thought to have Swine Flu going into the GP surgeries or A & E?....... Even if I ignore the risks to other member of the general public of having people suffering with SW coming into a surgery or hospital, what about the staff and Doctors they could infect and put out of action?

Have the GPs visit all the identified cases in their own homes? ......I doubt many practices have the spare GP capacity to cope with the increased home visits that would entail.

Have Doctors answering the phones...How would my GP cope with the increase of calls and would I be willing, or in any position, to wait to see him whilst he dealt with all the calls.

Even if we had enough Doctors to staff special centers how would a Doctor know that he was being told the truth when the symptoms of the SF are so widely known and the Doctor would have to err on the safe side? I don't imagine that they would have to follow a script so just how long would each phone consultation have to be to cover all bases? I doubt whether we would be able to have less Doctors answering the phones than the numbers of non-medically trained people being currently used.

I accept that there will be cases that are wrongly identified as Swine Flu, and I do think that certain at risk groups should be seen by a Doctor, but I understood that the scripts the centers use do attempt to identify these people and refer them to their Doctors.

What other ways could so many people be dealt with? I hope that the current effects of the flu continues to be relatively mild for most people but that could change at any time and at least this way we have something in place that can be honed to cope over the next few months.

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Do flu cases *really* need diagnosing in most cases though? I mean, most people just go to bed and look after themselves. I have when I've had it in the past.

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But that's the whole point of the phone in centers. The staff do not make a diagnosis they only ask a set of questions, the answers to which dictate whether or not, the medically accepted treatment, Tamiflu, should be released. Whether you agree that Tamiflu is effective or necessary is irrelevant. It is the currently accepted way of dealing with the illness. You are neither forced to contact a center nor are you expected to take any antiviral medication if you feel it is the wrong way to cope with your illness.

My son is still recovering. He is a fit, healthy 28 year old who rarely even has a head cold. He tried to ride it out, but was so poorly he eventually gave in and used the online National Pandemic Flu Service. He has stated to use the tamiflu and is at last improving. <big sigh of relief>

Did he actually need to take the tamiflu? I don't know but the next alternative would have been to ask his GP to make a home visit and he was relieved not have to do so.

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Makes you wonder if there's something of a placebo effect going on with the treatment. I'm not saying it's ineffective (far from it) but if people think it's "the cure" then they might convince themselves that they're improving.

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Well the media will always find the negative angle, the flu service was a good idea because it hs have relieved the pressure on the health services and local GP's surgeries, it stopped NHS direct being swamped with calls, and in theory it may have stopped the spread by both offering advice and stopping people leaving their house.

People may lie, but most probably will not, and it saves a trip to the doctor. Imagine if a doctor had to examine everyone with suspected swine flu! That would certainly be the cause of complaints about ineffectiveness and accusations of not being prepared.

In the end the Flu Service has proven well placed to deal with large numbers of Swine Flu victims and the cost was a theoritcal loss of some tamiflu to people who lied. So not perfect but was there a better alternative?

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Yeah i am all for the call centre offering advice and suchlike just not sending out any medication more so to just anyone that is in this country at a given time. We are paying for this tamiflu and although i don't know for sure i would hazard a guess it is expensive to buy in other countries so this system we have right now is ripe for some organised manipulation.

We have the media to blame for a lot of the hysteria surrounding swine flu and most people that get it will have slightly worse symptoms then seasonal flu but it won't be a big deal according to most of the doctors and specialists i have seen on the tv so do we really need to be dishing out anti virals left and right.

I am sure the system could be streamlined so that those people with underlying problems could be prioritised by their local surgerys if they feel they have it involving a home visit from a gp to confirm diagnosis and prescption of tamiflu. That wouldn't have to involve much risk to the gp as didn't the government make a big thing about the masks and other things they had stockpiled to issue to health care staff.

This whole thing for me is more of the labour policy of "there's no problem you can't make better by throwing money at it" and i have big reservations about that and the pandering that is going on to certain people who if they see plauge on the tele will have it not long after. I think we need to get this in perspective stop getting alarmed by some of the media rubbish and wait and see how it affects each and everyone of us if and when we get it, and then make a decision on what to do rather then implement these large expensive programs that right now have questionable benefit.

I speak as someone in a high risk group if i get swine flu and even knowing that i can't help feeling that the reaction is completely ott.

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Hi, Bit of an update on myself.
Had a stinking cold and a bloody awful chest 4 weeks ago or so, braved it out until last Tuesday and `phoned the doctors on weds morning.
Was seen by the doctor 20 mins later in isolation in the staff coffee room, given 1500 mgms of Amoxicillin for the week.
Went back on Tuesday of this week and was given another weeks worth of Amoxicillin and a weeks worth of Erythromycin. So, I`m taking 3500 mgms of antibiotics a day now for the next week and i`ve been told that i probably had swine flu to start with but, because i was not treated for it, its now turned into Pneumonia! Bloody smart, feel better than i did a week ago but can`t afford to take time off of work as i don`t get paid for sick leave.

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What about 10,000s people dying daily for famine, cholera, malaria....

We are used for that so it seems no problem for us...but i feel something is wrong with people so nervous from swine flu, mad cows and so blind concerning the real problems.

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Probably because we tend to focus on our own neighbourhood/country, and there are not 10s of thousands dying daily in the UK from those things.

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Yep if it isn't in front of us we don't see it the old "out of sight out of mind" sort of thing.

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Yes, i agree with you but i cannot accept this fact as a good reason. But ok, investing into swine vaccine is much better investment than for example investing in to nuclear weapons....

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No one said it's a good reason, but it is the reason. Human Nature to be able to distance yourself from suffering far away, people who are not your concern. If you felt the depth of pain and worry you would feel if this was happening next door then imagine how unbearable your life would be.

Logically how can anyone go on when people are literally dying from a lack of food and water? Surely the correct response is for all of us to drop what we doing and go help. We don't though.

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Just when you think that maybe we aren't all doomed and going to die in a horrible coughing, snottery mess things change.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...89-people.html

Eeek!

More responsible and well researched journalism from the Daily Mail.

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My mum, having breast cancer has been sent a letter about the SF vaccine, and telling her to get all people in her house vaccinated.

So I'm gonna get it.

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I had mine done yesterday and apart from being a bit sore it was a doddle, get it done if you have the option.;)

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Really cannot be bothered anymore with these super germ stories if i am going to die i will die end of not going to waste a minute of my time worrying what is going to do me in.

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I couldn't agree more Rizzy.... When your time's up, your time's up.

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So if modern medicine can save your life you would rather die ???

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Yes.

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If i could live with diminished or no quality of life but technically be alive i would certainly prefer to be left too it to die. If you mean if i caught a disease and there was a cure then my time wouldn't be up would it :). All this worrying some people are doing at the minute about this bug and that bug that might kill them are wasting time that could be much better spent enjoying the life they have.