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I think Martin just wanted to let off steam personally, he seems happy enough with Lewis and Heikki. If Massa or Raikkonen are out of jobs, they're both deserving of other drives, but I can't see Ferrari replacing both at this stage, unless Raikkonen is genuinely dis-interested with F1 at the moment. He was world champion with them though.

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Barrichello won, Hamilton 2nd, Raikkonen 3rd.......Button 7th, crucially scoring points when neither of the Red Bull's did.

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I wonder if Hamilton's chasing his pit crew round with a shotgun after the last pitstop??

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Martin Whitmarsh seems to think that two seconds isn't important, it's one of these rare occasions where i find myself agreeing with Eddie Jordan.

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Raikkonen looked amazingly happy on the podium didn't he...

Looked like he'd rather have been elsewhere.

Good win for Rubens, and I think Eddie was right about that terrible pitstop for Lewis

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Raikkonen seriously need an emotion injection, never liked him for this exact reason, he's like a robot, I reckon the car probably gets more excited than him.

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Good win from Rubens today, the way he turned the screw on the McLarens around the 1st pitstop was sublime. The 2nd stop was also some very good laps from him, aided by the McLaren team screwup.

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I'd say they would still have lost the place is the pitstop had been smooth, but not by anything like as much - would then have been a duel to the finish.

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don't think that is correct. Lewis was lost 6 seconds in the pit stop and was only 4 behind when he came out so he would have still been in the lead.

Martin Whitmarsh was just playing the team game and not blaming them.

The rumours about Alonso to Ferrari have been around since last year when the deal was meant to have been done. Kimi may go off to rallying instead

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Also to take into consideration is how much a mistake like this effected Lewis's driving...

I think that without the mistake then we simply can't say who would have won...

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I have to say what a boring race much like last year, watching cars race on different parts of the track isn't my idea of F1 and we have another 5 years of this track !

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I like the track as it's very technical, difficult to get right, but it's crap for spectators. Unless you're Spanish and Alonso's racing!

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Renault to reintroduce KERS by the Italian GP

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8222660.stm

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What the hell!!!!

Listening to F1 saturday practice (which is on in the other room and hasn't started yet)

Shumie to possibly return to Ferrari next year as they want to run a third car??? Oh yeah as if Williams is gonna agree to that :rolleyes:

Just out of interest what's the situation with constructors points if a team runs a third car?

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Interesting comment by the commentators, the built in camera on top on the cars is a HD camera..

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not all cars are running HD cameras. There was one running each race now that has increased to 4. One of the Toyotas and Kimi have it, not sure on the full list for this race.

The three car thing is Luca being stupid, he just thinks the fans want a grid of 10 Ferraris and 10 McLarens with nothing else. it won't happen as we have a full grid next year

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WOW...Well done to Force India's Giancarlo Fisichella on a fantastic pole position

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Indeed - I'm amazed at the "change" in the ranks as it where - this season, has really been amazing..

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Not a good race for hamilton (and one or two others) :rolleyes:

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A phrase rhyming with Clucking Bell springs to mind.

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In the end GRO, ALG, BUT and HAM are out with that incident, but it might also have mechanical afetr effects for KUB, RIA and a few others

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Not amused, Kimi in the lead, can't stand him, he's so monosyllabic, emotionless and boring.

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Rubens making some cracking moves, up to 12th now after his awful start.

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Not in the mood to watch the rest of the race.. Must be this banging headache I've got :(

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Webber gets a drive through for unsafe release from pit stop.

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Button, Hamilton and Grosjean to be investigated.

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Trulli wheeled into garage

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Wheel meet again.... Alonso has another wheel based pit disaster..

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I'm wheely sad about that, NOT

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Looking at the replay of the crash from various angles, i think it may have been Buttons fault as he didn't give Romain space on the corner and turned into him. Both drivers are currently blaming each other!

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Possible sour grapes from Nelson Piquet?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8229787.stm

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Superb result for Fisi and Force India, congratulations on your first podium :clap:

Personally i think Raikonnen should of been penalised for his first corner antics, he new exactly what he was doing going on the run off area to get a better angle/drive. Not a chance though!

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Grrrr :mad::mad::mad: I feel like swearing at this next headline (only problem is that I'd have to infract myself for doing so!!!!)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8229556.stm

Fisi is probably gonna move to Ferrari for the Italian GP :( That really does show what loyalty he has for his current team :(

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Loyalty to his current team, or loyalty to his country? Tough decision.

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Also i think Ferrari will pay Force India alot of money for his services which they probably need.

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But ferrari isn't his country :mad:

He's contracted to Force India, that should be where his loyalties lie..

They should have a rule in place that drivers can NOT swap teams mid season and also a team should nominate 1 or 2 reserve drivers for the season..

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Depends which way you look at it, Ferarri are a national treasure in Italy, not just a motor manufacturer/F1 team(as you know:) ). For Fisi to be asked to drive for Ferarri at Monza is probably a greater honour for him that winning the world championship and the lottery in the same day.

Also, contractual constraints or not, i'm sure Force India aren't exactly going to lose out on this. They're struggling financially, so i'm sure VJ will use the (potential) move as a device to ease his financial worries.

Ban in-season driver moves or risk a team going out of existence? I'm not sure which way I feel on this. What happens in sports like football(I really have no idea)?

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In the absence of any real news on the no.2 driver at Ferrari there is a good "spoof" on the official Ferrari website.:)

http://www.ferrari.com/English/News/...ting_list.aspx

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Well he's gone and done it... He's joined Ferrari for the rest of the season.. and what do you know...Hedie's linked page on Ferrari.com has suddenly vanished

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8231165.stm

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Should have copied the page it had a driver, or three for each letter from A (Alonso) to V(Villenueve). D'oh Thanks Kymmy V Was Verstappen

Good luck to Fisi and to Liuzzi who is tipped fro the Force India drive.

Let hope Massa is back on the grid next year.

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Oh the joys of Googles cache :D

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looks like Liuzzi will get the Force India seat. Wonder how Fisi will do, when he is good he is great but he doesn't have his day of days very often.

With him and Kimi in the same team they can both have off days

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Fisi switches to Ferarri for rest of season:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8231165.stm

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I told my boss this and he cried :)

He runs our F1 dream team league, and there have been a few changes this season, but I have just accepted his auto swap rather than a free one, just as well really I'm on top and heading for £150 1st prize.

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I doubt if he'll ever get another drive after this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8239001.stm

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so far I haven't seen one quote from Piquet about this so until he speaks out I will keep an open mind.

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Strange though that a brazilian TV company were first to get the news...

As I said in a previous post whether he did it or not I think that sour grapes is a major factor in this story suddenly coming out..

And just the possibilities that NPjr could have done it will mean that a lot of the main teams in most motorsport events will not now want anything to do with him..

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as you said the reports came out from Brasil which would point to a certain someone put sometimes two and two can add up to five.

Lets wait and see, there are too many variables that make it almost impossible to calculate and communicate to the drivers anyway. He he had crashed differently too they could have just had waved yellows

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Badoer blames the media for being slow !

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78383

I'm sorry but if the car can win the race then it should not also be propping up the tail end of the field.

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Liuzzi confirmed at Force India this morning....Blimey a reserve driver getting first dibs at a race seat vacancy !!

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I think if anything the testing rules don't help and there should have been clauses in there to allow this. Badoer hasn't tested this year with the new car and that didn't help, if it had been 1-2 years ago I think he might have done better.

Will be interesting to see what happens at Force India now, Monza is a different track to Spa so they might not repeat the performance anyway

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I'm not saying Badoer should have been challenging Kimi, but he should at least have been challenging for points. He was never even close.

I think Fridays are a much underutilised resource. Given that the teams are all there with the kit , circuits providing marshalling and safety cover and paying spectators looking to see stuff why not let them run three cars on Friday with the third car being available for a pay driver in the case of teams looking for funding or a real test for rookie drivers in a representative environment. To limit track crowding teams could be limited to two cars on track at one time. Tweak the engine regs to give teams an allocation of engines for the year to be split between the drivers as necessary. That way the Friday drivers could always have the old engines............

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Not even sure any driver could have come into a car with little testing and in two races challanged for points.. You also have to remember that the Ferrari's at that time weren't known to be even competative and after Massa withdrew all development would have been switched over to Kimi.

But saying that Badoer was making stupid mistakes and I don't think it was timing that was an issue but instead his constistant off-road spins..

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Your teamate is always the benchmark. If the car is competitive you should both be at the front, if its not then you both be in the mire !. Lets see how Liuzzi does at Force India I seem to recall Sutil and Fisi were there or thereabouts,

According to Forix the 2009 comparison is.................

Advantage position: Giancarlo Fisichella 7 (58.3%), Adrian Sutil 5 (41.7%)
Advantage time: Giancarlo Fisichella 6 (50.0%), Adrian Sutil 6 (50.0%)

Thats pretty close

Using the same stats you can see why Bourdais was released...

Advantage position: Sébastien Bourdais 2 (22.2%), Sébastien Buemi 7 (77.8%)
Advantage time: Sébastien Bourdais 3 (33.3%), Sébastien Buemi 6 (66.7%)

Thats not so close

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Yeah but look at Lewis and Hieki when Lewis had the shortened chassis for the EU GP, I think that Ferrari has for the last few weeks concentrated purely on Kimi's car with development with the 2nd car at least a few races behind

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the trouble with that idea is it is quite a sensible one. The only problem with that is if the F1 teams are at a race then no matter what they say they will do setup work for the race. This was the problem last time they had third drivers and longer running on a Friday. No actual testing got done just race work. Monday after the GP might be a better idea

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I think thats what Moto GP do. I am sure they had a big test after the Brno round. An extra day for spectators then :)

It would seem to suit everybody.

Teams get actual testing
Small teams get possible revenue from pay drivers
New drivers get F1 mileage
Spectators get more access to F1
Circuits get more income

Who would loose out ?

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But F1 testing ban isn't about technical issues or spectators, it's purely about cutting the costs hence allowing more teams the capability to compete..

:rolleyes:

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I know it`s purely hypothetical but i wonder how Schumie would have gone on if he had have been the one in the driving seat, would he have faired any better than Badoer?

Probably not as bad but i doubt he would have been at the sharp end...

I personally think the testing ban should be left how it is now. If incidents like the Massa one occur then whatever team is affected just has to make the best out of the situation.
Looking forward to finding out what the driver situation will be for next year. Alonso to Ferrari is supposedly a done deal, so who will fill his seat? If Kimi goes, what/where will he drive? Who is going to snap up Kubica? What will be the Mclaren line up?
Can the new teams attract top drivers or will they just get last dibs..

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the thing is if they had a test at another circuit over the weekend, they could get income from people there to watch the F1 testing, they could then have a non championship F1 race for reserve \ GP2 drivers and the F1 drivers could meet the fans. PLus they could sell it to TV too and make more money.

To spend the amount the day for 18 races and 4 tests a year is a bit of a waste.

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Lets face it the teams want to test, the Badoer/Massa situation shows that new drivers need time in the seat. Doing the mileage when you are already at the circuit should be very cost effective.

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Liuzzi has to basically show Sutil up, and vice versa, to prove they're worthy F1 drivers. Sutil's been outclassed the last couple of races by Fisichella, and now Fisi's jumped from one of the best cars on the grid to one of the best cars on the grid with KERS. At Monza.

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End of the first session as Fisi is quicker than Kimi :D. No idea what "programmes" they were running but even so he is there or thereabouts.

Liuzzi is 1.2 off Sutil more to come I suspect.

Hoping for a good race, although it looks like the McLarens could disappear off into the distance.

Lets see...

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Fisi though has had regular racing, Liuzzi hasn't, it's a shame really

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Them Force India's are the only realistic challengers to the McLarens I reckon. Brawns are playing it safe at the moment, and Red Bull are just plain slow. Vettel's also got reduced running because of his limited engines. Toyota have problems riding the kerbs and need that sorted for their 2010 car, as it will not be competitive otherwise.

Incidentally, just watched the classic highlights of the 1988 Italian GP. Lesmo 1 and 2 are absolutely flat out.

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I suspect Luzzi will be at least five places up come Saturday afternoon. I think he has a natural ability.

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Current headline on the BBC site

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Murray Walker?? Practicing for a possible comeback to commentating??

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8251527.stm

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Sutil for the win. :D

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The Brawn's are genuinely quick. Check out the fuel loads, they were heavy cars in qually.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78575

Maybe time for Jenson to step upto the mark again !

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looking at those figures I think the one to watch is Kovalainen, he has a good grid position, KERS & fuel, by the looks of it.

It should be a very interesting race ...

<edit> looks like the 'mole' agrees

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/f1mole/20...ed-italia.html

:)

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Best race of the season yet imo, this is why i`m disappointed that the fueling equation is going to be scraped for next year, to me it adds several permitations and can make the race a lot less predictable.
Good Result for Button, looks like it`s just him and that teenager Barrichello slugging it out for the championship now which should make him fell a whole host better.
Really can`t see Kovalainen staying at Mclaren now, they have publicly backed him many many times but he just doesn`t deliver consistently enough to drive for a team like Mclaren, who to replace him with though?

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The Singapore Piquet "Crashgate" looks like it might have some mileage in it, this transcript from an FIA interview stinks :mad:. There might be an innocent explanation for refusing to answer questions but there is an old saying "no smoke without fire"

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78647

Plus another saying, innocent until proved guilty ;)

Hope this gets sorted out, I'm getting bored of trying to defend the sport I have followed for 25 years.....

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Lotus are back :)

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Breaking News

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8256295.stm

More to follow

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:hyper: Beat ya ..... :hyper:

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Damn you and your better fuel strategy ;)

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BMW secures swiss buyer.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8256739.stm

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I assume that the BMW pull out is total and that Sauber will need to source an engine ?

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So what does that mean for Lotus??

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As far as I understand Lotus has the definitive 13th slot. The FIA will seek the agreement of the teams to open the grid to a 14th team, in the current climate I think the teams will want to stick together. I hope we will see 14 teams on the grid next year but I am not sure that all the new entrants will make it, just a hunch. Hope I am wrong though.......

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Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious

Sorry I thought what does Lotus mean !!!

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28 cars on the track is gonna really strain qualifying...lots more impeding penalties I think :D

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Back in the day they had pre-qualifying (late 80's early 90's) Osella, Eurobrun, Onyx, Life, Minardi, Simtek, Zakspeed, Toleman, Ligier, Arrows, Brabham, Lotus, Renault, Williams, Ferrari, McLaren, Pacific etc. Probably exceeded 30 entrants at some events.

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20 teams and 39 entrants contested qualifying in total over the 1989 season. Prequalifying got that down to 30 cars for 26 gridslots. 28 will be pushing it for most of the pit garages, and I'd expect Monaco to be limited to maybe 26 cars, but considering NASCAR has 43 pit slots I'm sure they'll work out something to accomodate 2 extra cars if BMW-Sauber end up pushing an entry for 2010.

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28 cars on a grid shouldn't be a problem

Add a 4th qual session

1st - loss 4

2nd - loss another 4

3rd loss 10

4th final grid 10

I think it would be chaos at some tracks first corners :)

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new pit lane for Monaco is being planned, may have to increase that.

http://www.f1technical.net/articles/59

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Headline on BBC sport -

Very intresting!

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Bugger beat me to it.

No Renalut for the rest of the season then.

Bye Alonso

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Some details here on Renault.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8258987.stm

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...16131922.shtml

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Oh well he can concentrate on QPR now .... lol

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One wonders what other dirt is waiting to be dished out.

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My partner was a WRC tech for MLP and Pro-drive and they said that it was amazing the amount of fiddling going on in WRC, from fuel, weights and also even having duplicate FIA seals :rolleyes:

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Renault have been looking for an excuse to pull out of F1 and this has handed it to them on a plate. This is for all intents and purposes an admission of guilt, especially since they're not contesting the charges. The hearing on Monday should establish who was actually at fault where though. :)

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With the announcement today about Briatore and Symmonds it looks on balance, we now in the "no smoke without fire" territory. :mad:

More detail here;

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78580

and here.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78668

Lets say Renault nee Benetton have form ;) when it comes to exploiting the rules. They were the first to try and argue Launch Control was not traction control and then there was the pit lane refuelling accident with Jos Verstappen; the investigation found that the team had removed components from the standard FIA fuel rig which had a side effect of causing an incease fuel flow (Hence shorter pitstops)

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The speedier refueling was proved at the opening round of the 1994 season at Brazil. Schumacher's stop had the same amount of fuel as Senna's, but he ended up ahead.

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If you want you can the download the 15 documents being cited as evidence "according to the Daily Mail";).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/for...e-hearing.html

The benefit of discussing F1 on this forum is that there are just a few us who post regularly. The Autosport forum has at least five threads on the same topic one at 122 pages since August 30 and rising by the minute !

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Could the fact that this crash was allegedly staged have affected the outcome of the 2008 championship?

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:clap: at NPjr for having the courage to come out with this....

His F1 career is toast (probably was when he got sacked) and I can understand the pressure he wa in when he decided to agree to the incident but although that doesn't make him innocent it has brought to everyones attention the underhand actions by FB & PS.. They're the ones that need banning from all FIA events...

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Looks like NPjr was getting his own back for being dropped no courage involved only spite.

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Renault should be banned and stripped of all points this season

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And if memory serves me right, wasn't schumacher in a benetton each time he punted jacques and damon off the track at world championship deciding moments?

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Do you think about the actions you want before posting?

Considering the 3 people involved are no longer at Renault what would banning Renault do exactly except lose innocent people their jobs?

I'm not expecting any major action against Renault as the team as a whole did not plan the crash and so should not suffer any penalties.

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Didn't Mclaren get stripped of all point even though the guilt party had left?

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NPjr could have simply of gone to another type of racing and probably made a success.. Now he's officially labelled not only Renault as cheats but also himself.. I personally think it's taken a lot of courage to do what he's done as a coward would have slinked away, possibly blackmailed the team and raced elsewhere..