Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Unless you have an extra large door you have to pay a monthly fee for the V+ doorstop. It is capable of stopping more than one door at the same time though.:D

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

The names have never been banned, it's people asking/explaining how to use them which is not allowed..

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

sorry I was under the impression they were frowned upon as putting the names basically gives it away for people who want them

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

The more I visit this forum, the more I'm educated. Thanks, mate! :)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Do you think there will be people ringing up VM to tell them their boxes don't work now? There's got be some dumb enough people to do that!

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

heres an example for you.fault out the other day,sub reported loss of services,checked equipment menu and sub had analogue box still on account,now this is ELEVEN years after his area went digital...you do the math(as they say across the pond!!) ;)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

What an idiot! Do vm prosecute?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Probably quite a few, most sold on ebay were sold as replacement/self fit boxes and not illegal otherwise ebay would have stripped them off faster than the VM complaints...

It'll be interesting as to how many there actually are out there

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Had something like at a company I used to work for. Guy phoned up 'cos the computer he'd bought from a chap down the pub didn't work. It was actually a customised computer terminal that we'd supplied to DHSS benefit offices. The slot the floppy disc wouldn't go into was in fact an ID card reader. Took his contact info and passed it onto my opposite number at the DHSS. Oddly, the guy never called back. :shrug:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

all the ones virgin media etc didnt bother to pick up after accounts were closed. As I have said before modified official cable boxes the blame purely has to land at their own door . If they were picked up they wouldnt be modified. Starview dBox Eurovox etc are different but all modded boxes are their own fault

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Some 3rd boxes will have a life afterwords as the DVB-C units can be removed and a DVB-T or DVB-S unit can be installed.. So basically it's £100+ per unit then another £50+ for the DVB-S/DVB-T card for a freeview/freesat reciever that could have got at half the price ...

:LOL:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

yeah but a lot of people have been saving £30 a month for a number of years so £100 outlay 2 years saving £30 a month = £720 - the £50 for modding it to freesat = £570 in pocket

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

That though is a whole other argument as to why VM didn;t do this earlier ;)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

It's debatable whether they have really been 'saving' £30 per month. Many of the cable TV thieves wouldn't have paid for the extra channels anyway, if they hadn't been able to get them for nothing they wouldn't have subscribed to get them for a payment. That is the very same self-serving argument many of them used to justify their fraud - that VM was actually benefiting, because they were getting a basic sub rather than no sub at all.

I suspect the thought that they have 'saved' a few hundred quid will be cold comfort to the fraudsters and the thought of paying out £100 to mod their box to make it work with DVB-T or -S will cause a nice big lump to stick in their throats.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

ok not saved but had services to the value of

Of course they aint gonna mod their boxes I was just pointing out the savings on the cost of TV can be quite high.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

The dodgy boxes are even an "exclusive" in the Scottish Sun :)

http://www.thesun.co.uk/scotsol/home...e-cut-off.html

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

wow then hope they change our speeds as I'm still on 2mb despite them saying I'm on the 10mb package.

Great post

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Then you should go talk to tech support who can get you on 10Mbit

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Hehe :)

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I did quite a few times but the ****ers at tech support are saying that its 10mb and some others say it will change by next month.:angel:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Back on topic please

Can I also suggest the members watch their language as the swear filter is to catch mistakes and not to enable people to type what they will

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

just helped stop the sale of 2 boxes over of Hotukdeals, the same user saying it was an unflashed free to air cable box, so he wasnt doing anything wrong.

will the free to air channels be encrypted too?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

On VM digital there is no such thing as free channels, even the M package is a subscription package that you get free with the phone line. No card/official box then no channels

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Thats like saying if VM left a blunt kitchen knife on the pavement and someone picked it up, sharpened it and murdered someone then it would be VM's fault.

i admit that leaving boxes with customers was not a good idea but that isn't an open invitation to commit fraud.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

This was posted on another forum today :LOL:

Then he posted this

Keep the roll out going VM :clap: :clap:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

:dmonk: :LOL: :clap:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Here's another classic from the home of the cable thieves,

At least there starting to understand this is the end for them :LOL:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

who's 'dickie' and why are they giving him their bank details ?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

You may know him as Mr Branson. :)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

But this one is even funnier


:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

no it isnt what a stupid thing to say. Even without the possibilty of fraud the boxes should still be picked up as they have material value

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

ah now i understand :D what they are saying is if you pay for it you will "magically" get the channels you want ,:D

brain dead morons make me laugh :D

---------- Post added at 13:13 ---------- Previous post was at 13:11 ----------


some call an ambulance ...quick ...i just split my sides :D:D:D:D

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

have had a few customers in our store asking if its true and did we know anywhere they can buy new boxes from once it hits the tyneside area.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

The fact that I disagree with you isn't personal. I didn't call what you had to say stupid for example!, or threw my toys out of the pram by leaving a rude negative reputation comment.

The point you made was about fraud and that it is only VM's fault because they didn't pick the boxes up. I disagree with this and provided an example to try and explain why. I think the example works quite well actually.

The blunt kitchen knife = Vbox
Sharpened it = modded it illegally
Murdered someone with it = Committed fraud by stealing cable

Alright maybe it was a tad silly but surely you can see the point.

Shops leave goods on the shelves, does that mean its not my fault if I steal them as the shop has left them there for me to steal. I totally agree that not collecting these boxes was a mistake (as I said before) but you can't say that makes VM to blame for cable fraud.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

you are totally missing the point and doing it deliberately.

Items in shop are still in the shop they are not "leased" to a customer and not collected when the lease ends. VM and its predecessors know that these boxes they leave uncollected can be modified and used for illicit purposes. I actually owned a chipped analogue box so its not something new. VM and to an extend their staff are responsable for leaving these boxes in circulation

I will give you an example. I had V+ and a V box I called and said I no longer wanted V+ just leave the v box on my account. That was fine but they never picked up the V+ box. A few months later I called and asked then to switch the V+ box back on . I was told there was no record of this box ever being here. Now I could have simply got it modded if I wanted and VM wouldnt have a clue. It would have been there fault for leaving the box here which has a value even if its just stripped for the hard disk

I make no concession for stupidity If I wave my wallet around in a pub then leave it unattended on my table I accept its my fault for leaving it there if it goes missing( which is a damn site better analogy than yours in relation to the topic ;))

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

So your one of the fraudsters then. No wonder you take the stance you do.

Your analogy is better than mine. However it reaches the same conclusion for me.

If you get careless and leave your wallet lying around it doesn't make it your fault if someone steals it. Its the criminal who steals it who is at fault. That is how the law of the land works.

There is such a thing as honest people, for example I accidentally left my phone in the back of a taxi on a night out, the taxi driver handed it in to the police station the next day. Most people would have done the same.

VM are responsible for leaving the boxes in circulation, however that doesn't mean its their fault that people modd them and steal cable with them.

I kind of agree with you in the fact that if VM didn't leave boxes lying around then there wouldn't be any to modd. Much better to not create the potential for a problem in the first place, however to make a sweeping statement that cable fraud is only VM's fault is unfair. There is a saying that 'Opportunity makes a thief' so I do understand where you are coming from but it is the thieving itself that is the criminal act, not the leaving behind of legal boxes.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

If you are going to accuse someone maybe you should read what they actually wrote...

From Zing's post

'Now I could have simply got it modded if I wanted and VM wouldnt have a clue'

No where did he say he DID mod a box.

What would be the point - he's got sky+ HD same as me if I recall correctly.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

correct :)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

This was what i was referring to.

Dosen't analogue count???

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

yes a long time ago now if you can honestly say you have never watched a copied dvd and you have paid for every single mp3 you own and paid for every game you play I will respect your view . There certainly isnt many people on this forum totally honest 100% A few Admin and moderators openly download TV shows from the USA which is a breach of copyright

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Then you are STILL not reading it properly - OWNED - not OWN. Therefore not a fraudster.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Sorry Ex-fraudster

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

let him without sin cast the first stone. Now you can say what you want on here and neither me or you could prove it either way but you yourself know the truth and if your standing on sandy foundations and are in fact a hypocrite then at least you will know

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Its true, i am a hypocrite, not quite made it as far as cable fraud though.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Just noticed the Ebay scammers who are selling the dodgy boxes have added a cop out on there auctions.



They know there about to lose out so they have added that to stop them getting there knees done. :LOL:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

It just shows what sort of folk these scammers are. I hope they make massive losses on the stock they have left, however I suspect not unfortunately

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

What is needed is for VM to complete the roll out of the new system as fast as possible.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Have they made a start getting those people with dodgy modems yet?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Wasnt that done a few months back with encrypted configs?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

By the way, did anybody see the utterly stupid post on the VM newsgroups asking for help with a cloned modem?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Nope. Well if you look on other forums you can see that they are still in use

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

But no way near as many. ;)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Haha that's a fair point. ;)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Perhaps once N3 has rolled out they will look at killing the dodgy Modems

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

I hope so

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Lets hope. Next door have four of them.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

4!!!!!!!

sugar, i wouldn't like to live on the same street as that person no bandwidth!

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

RE: The Dodgy Boxes

The sooner they do Manchester, the better, the amount of people I know that have dodgy boxes irritates me. They wont be gloating soon...I hope

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

just looked on ebay for the common names nokia dbox2 currently £50 with 5 bids buy it now £119!!!!!

The title says 100% working 300 channels etc, i so want to post a note saying not for long hahahahaha

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

A guy at my local is bragging about being able to get hold of dodgy boxes, when I told him about this new roll-out he reckoned it only affects boxes where the card is dodgy, he reckons his method involved entering some sort of code in to the box and when VM switch the channels off you simply put in a new code - I'm assuming he's talking bobbins?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

[simplified explanation]

Yep, the code is dependant on the daily key, with the old system it was fairly easy to work out the key and even to predict the keys, with the new system no-one yet has worked out how to get the key..

So yes all you have to do is put in a new code, problem is that he won't have the new code..

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

He is talking about third party boxes such as the Eurovox which aren't modified Virgin Media set top boxes. The rollout will shut these off as they are changing the encryption and these encryption codes he's on about only work for the current encryption system. So yes he is talking a load of rubbish. :)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Definitely talking bobbins. ;)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Yeah i know it's a joke isn't it? My bandwith isn't really affected though tbh. But then again i only use it for mainly surfing the net and using this forum and the other one. I don't use XBOX live or anything. I sometimes download through itunes now and again but it aint too bad.

Next door aren't the sort of people you can report though.:mad:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

agreed ;)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Hahahahahahaha! rofl pmsl

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

This clip from this TV show has a lot to answer for :)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Or even

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h9ND9UDRkA

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

I just watched all three clips..marks out of ten...1st clip, 7, it needed more words
2nd clip, ok, give it a 7, but creepy, what is a young girl doing with an old pirate, jail bait
3rd clip, simpsons, 9 always funny

Of course, I'm worried that I won't ever get back those 6 minutes in my life I wasted watching those clip :)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

plus the time it took to type it out and the time you will spend checking on responses:D

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

lol true.

I'm a natural waster :)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

********* Close, Guildford

the wiring (between flats) is outside the flat walls, the stack of cable modems can be seen from the windows. No student has less than four modems, a fiver each from the local!

I will check google street view in a sec

[mod: address removed, if you believe they are obtaining services illegally then please contact VM]

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

:mad:We are Doomed :mad: They (the pirates) have a Political Party Now :shocked:

At the moment it is only music they are concentrating on but it is only a small step to Cable Theft :mad:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...._pirate_rights

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

We have contacted VM but nothing ..... You are right I shouldn't have given the address.... but it can be seen from Google street view. The whole street has been wired on the outside walls and you can see the stack of modems on the windows sills ...

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Hahaha I knew someone would post the LazyTown video link

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

wow u are a bit TOUGH r u not - u a perfect angel - u never gone through a red light - been given too much change in a shop and kept it ? spose not u could be that honest joe we all hear about . chill out a bit m8 while u can .

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

A bad anaology. Being given too much change is quite different from purposely going out of your way to obtain services that you're not entitled to. The first is not your fault, the second most definitely is.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Your logic is only exceeded by your literacy. ;)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

If you keep bunking off school to play on the internet, you'll never learn to spell.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

"if your place is somewhere over the rainbow - then thats where you destined " not really a quote but absolutely perfect for you doris !!!!!:td:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

/sigh

Did you have a point to make, or are you simply here to play troll games?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Is that along the same lines as VM doing their bit to help criminals turn over a new leaf..

Admit it though you're just worried that your chipped box will soon stop working ;)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Could this be the same truey who is a member of card-sharing and cable-hack forum, and was asking on yet another forum what REV the card was, do you think?

Is it you, Alan?;)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

If I'm over changed or undercharged I will go back and try to correct affairs, probably on the same basis if I were overcharged. If I'm told not to worry then that's fine and that is often the response. I try to ensure correct charging before completing the payment. I'd regard that as normal behaviour and theft as abnormal.

As for red lights, I don't think anyone here would want to admit to an offence in an open forum.

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

I used to regulary do 150Mph ;) Oh, that's not an offence though :p:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Skydiving?

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Only if you're head-down....;)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Nope, testing on a high speed oval ;)

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

I was about to say "that requires some serious cahoonas".

Then I realised who you were......... :angel:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Does your iq match your age or are you just a sad indication of the decline in English education standards. :rolleyes:
You can bet i will get ripped apart for this post :LOL:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

k bruv innit :rolleyes:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

I'm reading some of this "text chat" typing, and I can feel my iq reducing :)

A sign of the times

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Latest update is from Derby :)

Quote from the darkside

Well done VM keep it up :tu:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

i don't see the problem with your post, maybe it's because we are both an age that was expected to speak proper like lol!!, but i have to admit that this text speak really gets on my .... and if someone sends me a text message like it i don't reply to it.

it's just lazyness :(

Rant over!! but well done Sirius far saying what most of us are thinking :angel:

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

sometimes though saying what you think here isnt a good idea lol I find myself having to just leave it

Re: Virgin media possibly getting serious on dodgy boxes?
 

Looks like they must have knocked the boxes off in my area as I have never seen so many Virgin Media employees as I have in the past week.

There are the construction crew digging up the street, canvasers going around the doors and general installers......it's crazy I see more of the Virgin Media employees than I do of my own family :dozey:

Dodgy box!!
 

:mad:

Was round a friends today, i didn't realise he had a dodgy cable box till he said. I told him "You do know they are being switched off soon don't you, and you will have to pay for it?"

He said it went down on wednesday and so did a load of others but he put a dongle in the back and it's back up and working!

It's a digibox branded box. The thing is our area was switched over on Wednesday but we haven't got our new cards yet. I told him about nagra 3 but he already knew all about it and he said that he's got a work round from a mate.:confused:

I thought nagra 3 was so far unhacked?

I'm confused, our area has gone over yet he's still using a chipped box?

Re: Dodgy box!!
 

In denial. Like most chipped box users. Once the new cards are in place it will be useless.

Re: Dodgy box!!
 

Nagra 3 is unhacked, quite simply if you haven't got the new card then your area isn;t switched over yet. What would have happened is probably a key change.. Once the encryption changes a simple dongle won't work..

Anyway there is a thread concerning the new cards and another for dodgy boxes, will move this thread into that one

Threads now merged