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I love how they are all so bitter and will go to sky. They should be thankful to Virgin that they allowed it to go on for so long.

You just can't work some people out!

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Masque are you called that because of the club?

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What club?

No its to kind of match the avatar.;)

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The numties think VM will be worried. No they will not it means there box is off the network. :clap:

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Which in turn will help stabilise the network as they disappear and the noise and load lessens and we the legitimate customers will then be the real winners.

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Ahh its where Barfly is held in Liverpool.

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My daughter has been there but not me.;)

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Got my notification tonight :D Bring it on, although I dunno if I'm getting new cards or if I got one with my new Samsung box, that still leaves the Scientific Atlanta though.

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Just had a random thought, you dont suppose a somebody who started a lot of random threads the other day is an illegal in the sense of cable TV do you?

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hmmm, yes one would think that the op was infact stealing cable services seeing as he hasn't even come back to defend himself:(

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Mine is white ( was asked when put in what I wanted mind you that was back in the days of cabletel) I hope you mean around the house(which is painted white of cause).If not sorry I "spoke".

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Article today suggesting that over 50% of the boxes in some areas of Edinburgh are dodgy.

Virgin ready to pull plug on the dodgy digital TV viewers


http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/to...lug.6291867.jp


MOD: Link given, so no need to quote the whole thing

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Every person i talk to that is in the know on this are telling me that there is very little chance of this new system being broken. Nagra 3 has been built from the ground up on a system that takes into account all of the knowledge that was gained in previous Card hacks and this new system has been running for 3 years now in various countries with no card hack.

I am so happy that all of this modified equipment will be off our network shortly and that means less noise and problems. With the additional work being carried out at this time on modem security we should soon have a network that is 99% safe from the noob who buys his kit at a computer fair or down the pub.

99% of the toe rags who come on this forum and brag every month or so have no real knowledge about the hacks that there equipment has been using. So when something like this comes along that makes there hacks unusable they are lost and have to wait for someone else to spoon-feed them the info.

The reality this time is that there is no hack for Nagra 3 so the noobs are not going to be spoon feed info and will have 2 choices in the end. Pay for it or watch a blank screen. Its as simple as that

Now you can bet your bottom dollar some so called hacker :rolleyes: will come on here and spout a load of bull excreta, however no amount of bull will give them there channels back and for that i thank VM .

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Couldn't agree more sir, well said.

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Only one way to get around it which I'm sure you're aware of. That seems to be turning into quite a cottage industry too.

Without that system, which involved paying a 3rd party, it's not likely to progress. Virgin's encryption isn't even the same Nagra 3 that is present elsewhere it's actually a custom version, different hardware and silicon in the cards so even a break of the standard version wouldn't necessary give a solution to VM's Nagra.

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Call me a cynic but this encryption is bound to be cracked eventually, there is always going to be some clever git that will release something that works.

I have heard rumours of a crack already but they are 'holding it back until all head ends are upgraded'. Personally I think they were talking rubbish but you never know...

PS. Yes I am a paying customer :p

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it will be cracked eventually its the nature of the beast its just a matter of howlong it takes. The longer the better obviously

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True, no security system is 100% secure.

But, while it is uncracked, even if temporarily, that means more money for VM, and hopefully fewer problems for other customers (fewer shoddy installs = less interference on the network)

Hopefully, it'll stay uncracked long enough for Nagravision 4 to be developed...

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I do agree :)

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True, however it's always possible that the eventual crack turns out to be impractical for domestic, non-specialist use. There may be a universal law that says nothing is 100% secure, but there is no similar law that guarantees the crack must be 100% child's play. ;)

Anyway, we shall see. In the meantime, ROFL at all the hax0rz clogging the internet begging for help to get their dodgy boxes working again. :rofl:

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It very much depends on how it's eventually cracked..

Someone with a few mage-supa-computers could probably crack the daily/twice-daily key in probably before it expires.. But if you remember the Sky fiasco early in the life of sky digital it wasn't cracked but instead an ex-employee gave away the master key which meant a whole series of cards were bypassed untill they were changed..

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Even if its ever compromised I'm sure Kudelski will have some tricks up their sleeves to counter the hack very quickly and secure the encryption again by issuing a rom update. :)

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The thing is, even if a crack is found, it will be a hell of a lot easier for VM to change the encryption than this time round next time so the crack will be much short lived

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the only type of hack if you call it that is teh same as used ont eh sky system but i aint saying what it is as it is illegal but your not goign ot get many people on it as it involves having a tight group and one has to have a valid account

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Card Sharing has already been mentioned on the forum previously ;)

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well i dnt look back he he but it is still ilegal

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I'll be setting this up for someone soon, I've already set most stuff on his azbox up, I had no idea cardsharing was illegal :shocked: Just googled it and 5 people were arrested over it


On topic, Im glad VM have took action, I know someone at work who doesnt pay for it, Ive told him whats happening but hes not bothered, the way he sees it is hes had his monies worth

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I know of one or 2 people with chipped boxes too that stopped working late last month. The one I spoke to said he's now going to move to Sky. It will be interesting to see what the effect will have on where the cheats go, now they have to pay for it.

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There's very little available for the cheats atm, with most european sats now on Nagra3 or NDS and mainly foreign language using crackable encryptions (though most of them will soon be changing)

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I'm actually surprised by how many people in my area are already using foreign satellite, there's 5 houses in a row at the top of my road all with 80cm dishes pointed at one of the well known satellites that shows 3pm footy on a saturday, so I figure more people will join the likes of them and start cardsharing.

I really don't see that many people cardsharing on cable, what's the point satellite offers them so much more?

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trouble is pay tv is only really worth it if you are a sports freak...

If your not into sport (like me) then provided you are patient, it is cheaper to buy the dvd (once the price has dropped of course) than suscribe to the ever repetitive movie channels and all other stuff is available on freesat or freeview. Of course if you risk the pirate dvd option you can buy them even cheaper and before they air on movie channels anyway (we never bother because we find the quality is appalling!)

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you do not have to subscribe to movies and sports there is plenty of other stuff to watch for a fraction of the cost with the XL pack .

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I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass,and I'm all out of bubblegum :-)

thats a quote from john carpenters 'they live' where roddy piper walks into the bank lol

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The quote only works if you're wearing sunglasses I believe ;) :p:

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indeed ... but a classic line from a cult classic

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Pirate cable box makers are fighting back, with the ******** connector, which will allow you to get all channels again.

Admin Edit (Stuart): Do not give out information that could be used to help to steal cable services. Thank you.

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You mean "Pirate cable box makers are squeezing the last bit of revenue they can out of people". That just enables access to a public cardsharing server, and those things really don't last too long.

Once the n3 rollout is complete you'll see VM switch their attention to actively preventing cardsharing.

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:clap:

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Good.

:clap::clap::clap:

:D

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I thought it was from Duke Nuk'em 3D

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see my sig its been in it a while now ;)

Rowdy Roddy Piper lol

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I hope VM do turn to this after N3 why can't these dole heads get a job and pay for the services they recieve, instead of stealing them.

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:clap:

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The irritating thing is that you'd be surprised at how many people that steal services have jobs.

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Just so you know it's not just the unemployed that steal cable, most of my mates have had these boxes (at one time) and they all have jobs they just got the boxes because it was a cheap way to save money.

The local pub even had one he used to roll out on match days in the back room

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Why does cable need to rely on encryption, surely with a true return path cable companies should be able to tell paying customers from ones that are using dodgy boxes?

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Because these people have cloned cards.

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They cut the return paths on the boxes to stop them calling home, in any event how does one protect the signal without encryption?

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I badly phrased the question but you know what I mean. So without a return path I take it they have no access to VOD then?

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Yeah, you need a return path for VOD... when IPTV is launched, then it will be even harder as you will need a return path to get broadcast channels, not just VOD.

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Will the older boxes do IPTV?? If not then I doubt whether VM will phase out the old boxes any time soon..

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no, the older boxes wont AFAIK... I'd of thought it would be a staged rollout and phaseout the older boxes, a bit like analogue to digital upgrades were done. so may take some time! :)

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Will the current V+ and V HD boxes do it or is it purely the up and coming Tivo based boxes?? If the latter only then it's gonna be a long time before VM phase them out.. Look how long it took them to get to Nagra3 and also to phase out analogue

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V-HD boxes are ipTV ready, the current V+ (SA) (not sure about Samsung) isn't AFAIK. It will probably take a while to upgrade everyone before they can switch off the old broadcast system.

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Because it's still a broadcast technology, not unicast.

The cable that comes into your house is shared, it's not a direct 1-to-1 connection, you take a tap off the same cable as your neighbours. So anything sent to you, is also sent to people in same neighbourhood who share the same cable.

This means that even if the platform was upgraded to a switched video system, where channels are only sent on request people with dodgy boxes could still watch channels that others within the same area have tuned to.

Even now with VOD, if you have a dodgy box you can tune to the VOD streams that are being used in your area and watch them. It's not that useful with VOD because you're reliant on someone watching what you want to watch when you want to watch it, but if all linear TV was delivered in the same way using SDV then you'd find the boxes were quickly upgraded to be able to view whatever channels are currently being sent to the area.

There has to be some sort of encryption on the wire to stop people taking advantage of that, you can only stop the boxes from using the return path to request channels, you can't stop them listening in on the cable for any that are being sent down it.

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Thanks thats a very good explanation and one that makes perfect sense.

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:LOL:

http://www.dylanmessaging.com/messag...S392-UN1X-IAZG

I think N3 is getting to them

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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YAY new cards arrived this morning M23 area. :D:D:cool:
Going to wind up the idiots at work now :p::D

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Mine has just arrived as well. M41/32

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Bonus - mine should be there too when I get home then.

I know of 3 unhappy people now :D

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Well the couple that wind me up the most are still in denial. They are convinced the VM wouldn't cut their own throats and lose so many free loaders ... or 'potential customers' as they describe themselves .... before the end of the World Cup.

They smugly inform me that this new secure encryption rumour is just a diabolical scam by VM and that the new cards have already been cracked. Their contact for dodgy boxes has promised them a fix for any missing channels as soon as his brother-in-law's mate gets a couple of minutes to knock out some of his revised magic cards. :D

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Mine turned up this morning M22 area. time for all the free loaders to go Bye Bye

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Well, I turned over the TV t'other day and got the message about improving my TV and installing a new card.

This is Bromley, BTW.

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This was posted on the local free paper that goes to all of Barnsley ( page 5 top corner )

http://issuu.com/cronweb/docs/week20...t%2Flayout.xml

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I know someone who said he was going to buy a chipped box a month ago. I told him he might get a month or 2 out of it at the most. Like an idiot - he still went and spent £100 on it with promises that 'it will never go off' Have we any <snigger> smileys?

Anyway - It's a good job there are pictures of the boxes on the letter as the 2nd Sammy box hasn't even got a serial number that even vaguely matches the one on the letter :-/

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got mine today as well - M32

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Not an official smilie but feel free to use one of mine. https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2010/06/8.gif

Though personally I find that a Mutley Snigger hits the spot with me. https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/05/66.gif

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When you pull the card out the number displayed on the screen should match the one on the letter. Did it not?

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Got mine today, took less than 1 min to sort out :D

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Spiderplant - Yes it did. Classic case of NRTFM on my part :D

@Milko - same here M32. All done.

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G71 done too. I accidentally knocked my hdmi cable out when I was changing the cards. By the time I had got it back in the process was complete :)

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I wish they would hurry up as the World Cup is getting ever closer and I want as many illegal boxes as possible to go down by then.:D:D:D

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:clap:

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Surely it would be more fun if VM waited and turned them off the day before it all starts, they could all run around like a flids trying to sort something out. :D

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It is less than 3 weeks so it will be funny as area by area it goes down until the final few are like cornered rats on a sinking ship.

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Diplomatic but probably the best attitude since they stand to gain a lot of customers and there's no point alienating future income sources.

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Well if they have the connection it is easier to get them on board as a paying customer with a direct debit and a legit box.:D

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The next quarter results is going to be very interesting

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The world cup is on terrestrial TV, all they would have to do is plug in an aerial or even plug in the VM box that I bet the majority of illegal box users have to receive the basic VM package.

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Service techs are going to be really busy with all these old pace boxes coming out cupboards for the 1st time in years :D

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I wish they'd come and replace the Pace 1000 I've got too while they were at it :(

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I thought all Pace 1000's (and 2000s) were supposed to have been swapped out by now anyway?

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Do you mean I have the only Pace 2000 left in the country?

Do you think Virgin would swap it out for me and place it in their technology museum? LOL

Would be happy to swap for a V+HD or V HD!!! LOL

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Ring up with a fault and see what they say, you might get an engineer visit.

Do as above or call up about an upgrade to a V+.

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They aren't installed any more, but some of the old ones just keep on going.

The first three versions of the Pace 4001 are the only ones being actively removed from the field, but there are still a few of those left too.

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Not so it seems :confused:

I phoned up not long ago when we were it seemed dead (no channels after resets at all), they just sent a 'hit' and that was that.

I phoned up about a V+ the other day after seeing the ads, they wanted £75 for a 'box swap' because I've got no need for a 2nd STB and wasn't prepared to pay an extra £5 odd a month for it

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Does your STB have any issues at all such as the need to constantly reboot it, if so ring up and see about getting a technician visit, he possibly will replace the box.

The V+ comment was aimed at the other poster, but they are brilliant.

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I've an ordinary Samsung STB still..I too have nowhere to stick a spare STB and so won't pay the exorbitant installation fee as a consequence..Why pay £5 for something I can't use?

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What model is the Samsung and is it grey or silver.

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It's silver and it is a SMT-2110C if that makes any sense.

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That is the latest V box that we supply apart from the V+ and the new HD box so you are up to date with the latest equipment.:)

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Still not a V+ though..:(

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If your pace 1000 still works don't worry about it

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I want a V+ of course.Who doesn't?

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As long as the elastic band is in one piece it will be fine.:D:D:D

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I've got a Pace Di4000-N which was a replacement for a previous Pace DiTV2000 box which gave up the ghost a couple of years ago. The Pace Di4000-N is also showing signs of age and has intermittent problems. At the moment I'm trying to decide whether to report it as a fault or upgrade to a V+ box and ask for a replacement V box for a second room at the same time.

If I report a fault, what box am I likely to get as a replacement? If it's going to be another Pace Di4000-N then maybe I'll go the upgrade route sooner rather than later and save on having to have two engineer appointments. If it's going to be a V+ box anyway, then my strategy will be to hold off until I have a HD TV and upgrade then.

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Can't you guys get the VHD for like quite a reasonable price?

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If you report it as a fault you are most likely to get a Samsung SMT-2100C or SMT-2110C both of which are decent boxes. The fault technician can also upgrade you to V+ there and then providing they have some on the van if you decide last minute to change. :)

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It all depends on area. There are still many ex-Telewest areas where pace4000 is still the main box issued.

The pace4000 gets a lot of bad press but statistically is a more reliable box. Some of these boxes have lasted more than 10 years, I don't think any samsung would last 10 years! However the samsung is a nicer box to use and does look nicer.

Report the box as faulty if it is playing up, then ask the engineer for an upgrade to VHD for £50. Then you are guaranteed the cisco box plus some extra HD channels for no extra monthly fee.