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the rock is on raw next monday for his birthay party car't wait.

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He is not exactly Electrifying in the Movies though is he.

Raw start at 2am tonight or is it a special?

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Sure its 2am

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Watched WWE Extreme Rules live ; first ever PPV I've bought, and it was worth the money. Few shockers in there too, didn't see Kofi winning at all.
Anyone else's thoughts?

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I Thought it was easily better than WrestleMania.

Apart from the obvious R-truth intervention there was some shockers in the cage match. Moments that have you on the edge of your seat.

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Randy Orton heel-turn anyone?

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Hooray, Sky Sports 1 and 2 being wasted to magazine shows while SD! gets delayed by live tennis that doesn't even seem as if its over ran.

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i don't think they will do. the ladies love him.
its like with cena they won't change him.

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I'm enjoying Smackdown much more now and it does seem to include a lot more action and entertaining matches. Orton vs Christian was awesome! Its brilliant to see those two in the ring together or maybe its just the technical wrestling involved because Orton vs Sheamus was boring as all Sheamus seems to do is barge about mowing orton down.

People like Orton and Christian together can put on a great show! Keep it up :D

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i want to see sincara vs mysterio that would be awsome but i think it should be a wrestle mania it would be that good

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yer that be good to see that. but them to are both good people so unless they were to change 1 of them

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i dont think they could change either of them but do you remember the hogen vs ultimate warrior match that was epic and this would be to at the next wm

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Sin Cara would need to up his game massively to get anywhere near Wrestlemania. He's greener than grass right now and not even someone like Mysterio could carry him. They moved him from Raw, which is live to Smackdown purely because it's recorded and they could edit out all his botches.

In his first 3 Raw appearances he botched his entrances where he springboards over the top rope so badly that they gave him a reinforced trampoline just get him over properly.

To be honest I'm not yet impressed by him, he's smaller and less talented than Rey which is not a good place to be. Vince obviously sees him as Rey's replacement but to get taken seriously at the company's top PPV he needs a massive improvement.

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Sin cara in my opinion is on a whole level above Rey. He is faster and much more exciting than Rey who has grown extremely stale with his boring routine week in week out. But thats how the game works for these guys. They wow the audience for a year then its old news and they are back of the line.

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Ho Ho Ho Ho.....wait....you're serious?! Cara does nothing Rey hasn't been doing for 20 years. His timing is awful, botches moves and the only thing he has over Rey is his youth. Cara may be talented but is a clone of Rey.

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Sad News For WWE Fans Because WWE Legend Macho Man Randy Savage Has died aged 56 in a car crash. For More info go on www.wwe.com

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Already being discussed at http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...l#post35241517

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sad loss randy savage was one of the all time greats

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heard he crashed his car into a tree. his wife was in the car as well but she just had some cuts on her. i reckon wwe will do something on raw for him

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Over the Limit 3/5

Pretty poor main event with Cena and The Miz, wasn't even half as good as his previous 'I Quit' Matches (Not to mention The Miz said I Quit numerous times in the match)

Randy Orton and Christian stole the show for me with surely a match of the year contender.

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I thought the miz and cena match was brill. Not seen a match like that in ages thanks to the pg.same how it ended wanted miz to win. I lol so much when king thow cole into his colemind and it broke that was well funny.

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WWE released Michael Tarver and Jacob Novak over the weekend, PWInsider.com has confirmed

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is raw going 2 be 3hours every week?

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What time is smackdown on tonight? On virgin it saids 22:00 wwe late night smackdown then at 00:00 it saids wwe late night smackdown both on ss3

---------- Post added at 20:34 ---------- Previous post was at 19:36 ----------

Also it saids at 01:00 wwe raw but only on til 02:00
how does that work out raw never on for 1 hour plus raw was on for 3 hours this week. Virgin are crap at doing the tv guide

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i cant belive president Obama was break dancing in the ring with Booker T

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Chavo Guerrero released

From wwe.com

World Wrestling Entertainment has come to terms on the release of WWE SmackDown Superstar Chavo Guerrero as of today, June 25, 2011. We wish Guerrero the best in all future endeavors.

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CM Punk on raw this week... wow, just wow.

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That was the greatest promo I'd heard in more than 10 years, it was just like in the Attitude era. Shame it was a shoot though, although I'm sure he came close to it a lot.

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Randy Savage cause of death revealed

Former WWF wrestler 'Macho Man' Randy Savage died of heart disease, according to the medical examiner's official autopsy report.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/...-revealed.html

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has cmpunk still not signed a new contract?

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Nope.

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Just caught up with Raw (apart from last night's), and you're right, that was easily one of the best promos, certainly the best one I've seen since I started watching WWE again.

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What were the ice creams they used to do? Never heard of them untill last raw. Did they used to sell them over here?

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MiTB tonight, going to be awesome.

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It sure is. Any news yet if cmpunk will re-sign?

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Marking out so hard right now, this is awesome.

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How can vince get fired he owns wwe?

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Just a storyline mate. Vince is on a break and CM punk is still under contract. Its just being played off very well.

Although Triple H will be taking over properly and this is the start of the transition.

They recently said there was far too much talk of Wrestling being scripted and whilst that is the case they wanted it to seem more real and believable thus introducing the CM Punk storyline.

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Thanks for that. The storylines are being played really well. I really thought cmpunk had gone.

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I'm interested in seeing how the rest unfolds. At the moment the storyline revolves around twitter comments by both Cena and Punk (Still in script)

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yer me 2 car't wait for next weeks raw. I new cena wound't get fired as he 1 of the most popular superstars. The ppv match with cena and punk has to be 1 of the best match in ages. Will the wwe belt go to the winner of miz vs reg next week?

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Theoretically Vince could get fired as chief of the board. His family are only the highest shareholders in WWE if at a future date someone managed to get more shares in the business than his family then theoretically would be possible.

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It's all a work of course and it's more than likely their way of introducing HHH in to a more corporate role behind the scenes. He and Steph will take over when Vince finally does retire and this is probably WWE's way of slowly getting it over to the fans.

I'll say one thing though, HHH looked massive in that suit.

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He holds 59% of the shares, and has 88% of the voting power.
There's no way he can actually be ousted as he can simply vote against any motion to do so.

That said this was a kayfabe ousting to symbolise what's going on behind the scenes. HHH has been slowly taking over more responsibility in the back for a while now, this was the public passing of the torch so Vince can stay off screen and just run things at the top.

Rumour has it Sin Cara is gone for good as well. His injury at MITB was to cover him getting a wellness violation and picking up a 30 day suspension, but rumour has it he's being let go completely.

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maybe not at the moment but as i said who knows what the future may hold.

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He's been given numerous chances but is still failing to impress. He's improved slightly but still botches too many moves. The word is he was traded to Smackdown to keep him off live TV so his errors could be edited out. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't return and because WWE built him up so much I can see TNA snapping him up after his no-compete clause expires.

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The thing is a lot of his botches are due to others not him.

His first match the botched entrance was because the trampoline was in the wrong place.
The botch with Primo on the top rope was because Primo slipped, Sin Cara did well I felt to sell it as a counter.

The Over the limit botches against Chavo were mostly due to Chavo. The La Mistica botch for instance was entirely Chavo's fault.

Honestly though, he's wrestling in a completely different style, in a mask that gives him a fraction of the visibility he had in his old one. It's no wonder he's taken a while to settle in.

WWE messed up big style by not throwing him in FCW for a while to learn the WWE style. He's also not helped by the fact that the majority of the WWE roster is green as hell and shouldn't really be on TV either. His match against Christian showed how well he could do against a more experienced guy.

But then I still can't blame them letting him go, because at this point he's a lesser version of Rey Mysterio, if they didn't have Rey I'd keep him for the kids, but they have Rey, so, they don't really need him, especially as his style is one that leads to botches due to people not being trained in a luchador style so really can't handle matches with him.

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When you learn to be a wrestler at that level one of the most important things they teach is how to adapt to botches, positioning errors, how to carry a gaff-prone or injured opponent etc. Granted some of the errors have not been his fault but he has shown little ability in adapting to each situation.

I agree with FCW though. I know someone who used to be signed there and she said this is the sort of thing they iron out pretty quickly.

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There's not much he can do to adapt to most of them though This for instance, Chavo's left arm comes up and blocks off the spin killing the momentum and Sin Cara is absolutely helpless in doing anything to recover from that, seeing as he's up side down and being held onto. This is a move he's done for absolutely years with no issues in Mexico so it's not like he's not used to doing it. Conversely it's a move that no one in the WWE has experience with, yet when it goes bad Sin Cara gets the blame.

It's botches like that that everyone looks at and goes "Sin Cara, he's so bad!" when in reality it's not his fault and there's nothing he can do about it.

She said? Don't get me started on the Diva's division! Lets bring out 14 Divas for a 7 on 7 tag team match, have it be over in 2minutes with no tags! The faster WWE either disbands the Diva's division or starts bringing through women that can ACTUALLY wrestle (Kelly Kelly can't even run the ropes) rather than just look good the better. As of now a Diva's match = time to put the kettle on. Although it'll probably be over before your cuppas even brewed.

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TheDon u dont think the Diva Division is for their wrestling ability do u seeing that a large percentage of the WWE fan base are men.

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It should be both.
It never used to be this bad. (or maybe it was but we used to get bra and panty matches to make up for it...)

The Diva champion not even being able to run the ropes is ridiculous (and she's not even that hot).

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That's just one case out of many. Cara has had plenty of time to adapt to WWE's style and he's done very little of it since he's been there. He gets a bad name because he causes most of the botches and is too rigid in his style.


Yes, she said. Men and women get the same training in FCW.

The divas' division isn't all bad...just mostly. Beth Phoenix, Nattie Neidhart, Kharma and Gail Kim can all work but it can't all revolve around them. They need to employ more female wrestlers and less (or even no) fitness models.

I respected your opinion until that point..

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I could link to plenty of his other botches that weren't his fault. I've yet to see one that was entirely down to him.

It's not like the rest of WWE is botch free either, the Cena/Punk match on Sunday was absolutely botchtastic, but it gets ignored because of the hype around it. Sin Cara's are just a bit more obvious because of the high risk nature of his repertoire.

I know they do, I was just using it as an excuse to launch into a Diva rant ;)

I'm hoping when Kharma comes back they'll sort it out, but right now it's just a complete joke that they're not even trying to take seriously. I'd say it doesn't help with Cole burying the entire roster, but with a roster like it has it's kinda hard to take it seriously.

She's just a generic blonde plastic model, nothing really special about her.

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I don't like pulling back the curtain on wrestling publically but one of the unwritten rules is if you bring a new style to a show or promotion, it's your own responsibility to ensure it adapts to the status quo. Cara should have spoken to his opponents before each match and explained what he was going to do and ask if they were ok with it. Judging by his number of botches I can't see him having done that.


In fairness that was mainly due to his major heel personna at the time. He hasn't done it since.

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Half the roster are too green to even wrestle WWE style without botching, putting it all on Sin Cara to teach them how to deal with a luchador is pretty ridiculous, especially as the guy can't speak English. It's really hard to blame a guy that can't speak the language when he's thrown in at the deep end like this.

He did it last raw, he did it at MITB, he does it every single time the Divas come out. I can't remember the last time there was a Diva's match where Cole didn't say something like "thank goodness that lasted all of about 30 seconds" (his exact words on monday night's raw).

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No-one is saying Cara should teach anyone anything. What he should be doing is going over his move-set with his opponents. Rey has been around long enough for most of the roster to know how to work something of a lucha style. There really is no excuse for his recurring botches.


He keeps it on the mic only and it's no worse than a normal heel-commentator feud with a worker, the only difference is it's against a section of the roster. No longer does he interrupt matches. He's toned it down a LOT.

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They're not HIS recurring botches though. They're his opponents.

He was bought into the WWE for his high risk high flying style, you're basically saying he should just tone it down to normal WWE style.

WWE were insistent on him not only bringing his usual repertoire of moves from Mexico but also stepping it up to be as exciting as possible. Hell they even had him do a completely new ring entrance with the trampoline, which they managed to botch the first time by putting the trampoline too close to the ring.

It's just a classic case of too much too soon for everyone, and you can't really blame Sin Cara for all of it because he's only doing what he was bought there to do, and if his opponents can't deal with the style that he's booked to wrestle in then the people doing the booking should bear the responsibility.

There's more and more botches every week, and not just Sin Cara, it just seems like he's the only one that gets pointed out because people don't like the style and prefer your standard WWE style of big guys just running at each other.

Most of the roster is way too green to even be wrestling on TV, and sticking someone like Sin Cara in there for them to deal with is a recipe for disaster, and you can't blame the guy when he's just doing what they tell him to.

(I won't go into the amount of times Rey has botched and injured people as well)

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I'm sorry but you're wrong. From an insider's perspective Cara should be doing more to ensure his style is adapted to WWE's.

Not tone it down, adapt. Call spots more. Use the referee more.

It wasn't too close, it was too low but he managed it successfully numerous times while rehearsing. He bottled it when on tv.

They know the lucha style from Rey.

Yes there are botches all the time but no-one does them as much as he does.

Yes many are green but they've put him in with seasoned workers.

Maybe that's because he hasn't done it for a long, long time?

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They don't want him to adapt though. They want him to perform the style they bought him in for. There have also been several places where he has adapted due to bad positioning from his opponents and done less risky moves, and people have also moaned about that.

The problem isn't with not calling spots, people know the spots, they've just ****ed them up, he's relying on people catching him right and if people don't do that like Chavo didn't then no amount of calling spots is going to make them not **** up the grab.

No, the trampoline was too close to the ring apron, it hadn't been pushed out far enough.
He didn't bottle anything. The trampoline was positioned wrong. It wasn't possible for him to make the jump cleanly because of that, that he managed to recover despite the bad positioning shows he's not that bad.

Rey has never done anything like what they're expecting Sin Cara to do.

Just for a couple more examples of Sin Cara's "botches":
Not Sin Cara's fault that Primo can't stand on a rope.
This was Riley being positioned badly by Cena

He's really not the botch machine that people think, people just need to get used to the spots.

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yer i read about that. He came in with the wwe belt and said the champ is here. And made a challege to anyone to come to chicgo. Triple h came out as well and spoke to him.

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You could just click the link to see it ;)

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I've not watched WWE regularly for about 5 years, man I hate the PG TV approach. I am however interested to see how this latest angle with CM Punk plays out, and hopefully with HHH as RAW General Manager we may see a return to more risky themes. I haven't been this excited about a storyline since Rick Martel blinded Jake The Snake with his arrogance!

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HHH is not the Raw general manager. In storyline he has Vince Mcmahon's job so he is the kayfabe Chairman of the Board. Thus giving him a bit more than General Manager power.

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Indeed.
I'm interested to see what happens with the anonymous general manager though. They were bought in because of the threat from The Nexus, they couldn't attack an anonymous entity that might not even be in the building, and now that threat has disappeared it would be safe to bring back a normal GM.

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very true. Now the threat seems to have gone. They might bring a normal GM in wounder who it could be. I cart seen it happening maybe till after this storyline. Car't wait for raw

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I'm sure the anon. GM is McMahon (due to the mainly heel decisions and such) so maybe that is how he 'regains control' of some sort.

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Would seem fitting but then again Vince is using this storyline to take a break so its not currently possible.

I would be a bit annoyed if the GM were Stephanie or any of the McMahon family considering its supposed to be a mystery GM.

In the end they have to have some sort of reveal but its still unknown whether they have actually found someone to reveal it as. We all know the GM is noone and just a stall put in place for a while. They cant just expect us to forget about it though.

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I doubt it will be Vince.
The entire point of the Triple H storyline is he doesn't want to be the on screen focus anymore. It's a kayfabe representation of the real life situation where Hunter is taking over more and more of the responsibilities of running the show.

We might not ever get to find out who the anonymous GM is, there's no real need to do a big reveal as it won't really progress the story, unless the play it like they're keeping the same GM but he's going to stop being anonymous, but I can't see why they'd do that.

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As posted earlier I've not been a regular viewer of WWE for sometime however I was shocked when I saw Vince the other night.

He looked thinner than I remembered. More worryingly he's got something on his neck that's covered up with make-up. Also his general colour is all wrong. I lost a colleague at work 2 years ago to skin cancer, and Vince McMahon is looking terribly similar to how my colleague looked when he was in mid treatment. My colleague used make-up to try and gain a natural colour but as they day progressed he'd start to get an orange tinge.

Has anyone heard any rumours or stories about Vince not being well at the moment?

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He's been told by his doctor to not take any more bumps, another reason for HHH to take over.

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you would had thought it be shane or steph that take over when vince retires

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Share left WWE a year or two ago so it wouldn't be him, and Steph is married to HHH so it makes clear sense that they'd take over.

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There is no man better to take over than the Son in-law that is himself a WWE superstar with years of experience in the business.

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He left on year day 2011.

On the WWE Raw VS Smackdown 2011 game for the PS3 the Raw GM is Steph.

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It's been that way for a while with the games.

Like suggested above it does seem to look like they are just going to let go of it.

Interest was high in the first few months with the clues and such but that stopped a long time ago and since then people just dont really care and would easily forget about it if they removed the Laptop tonight.

John Cena is due to film soon so it will be interesting to see how they play him off.

Also note John Cena is eligible for a Rematch for the WWE championship so expect something to give tonight.

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Nothing major will happen with CM Punk tonight. Maybe HHH will call for him to come back, and a recap of what happened at comic con, but to play this story right they have to do it over the long haul. If it's too rushed it loses it's appeal.

One way they can do it is by invoking the old "the title must be defended every 30 days" clause, which would line up nicely for a summerslam return, where Cena can regain the title, with Del Rio then cashing in on Cena (a heel on heel cash in would be stupid, which is why it was obvious Del Rio wouldn't have stopped Punk leaving with the title, instant face turn on one of their biggest heels? No chance.) They don't like having 2 briefcases around for too long and we know Bryan's is meant to be staying around until Wrestlemania (although I fully expect him to lose the briefcase before then) so that will also give them chance to write Cena out for a while (I'd say he'll go out to a cross arm breaker, but they'd never do away with the "Cena never quits" angle).

In other news Hero and Claudio (The Kings of Wrestling tag team) have been wrote out of PWG, and rumour has it they're bypassing the WWE development territories and heading straight to the main roster. I'm hoping this means the WWE start taking the tag division seriously again, it's been lackluster for far too long.

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Never mentioned Punk, Just said something will give, More likely Cena being involved in the WWE championship match but after hearing your comments about SummerSlam I have somewhat changed my views.

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In the way they fired him after the Nexus car crash.

Not a cat's chance in hell. No way will they ever let Cena tap out. Nobody beats 'Superman' like that. Unless they eventually turn him heel (and I can't see that ever happen) he'll retire with the label of the 'only WWE champion to never tap out".

I'll only take that seriously if they bring back Haas and Benjamin.

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Why they insisted on constant drafting them apart (when the belts were remotely respected) god knows.

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Good RAW but what a joke they couldn't even let Rey have the title one night before Fruity Pebbles wins the (what seemed like a cheap replica) belt back for the billionth time.

Give someone a long run with a major belt for christ sake.

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Told you so :p:

Now begins the undisputed champion angle... all over again

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Ah by the way.. John Cena Heel turn incoming :) It's gonna be the biggest change in ages! I think it will go over stupidly well with the fans.

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I think they did it right considering it's a fake title.
Set it up perfectly for the ending, you couldn't really have that ending with anyone other than Cena.

I loved JR during the match when Rey had him in the STFU and Cena started getting up he went "he's like superman" saying what we're all thinking.

As soon as cult of personality hit I knew we'd be seeing CM Punk (it was his entrance music when he wrestled on the indie circuit), that end was awesome.

JR's return, Zack Ryder on Raw (him shouting "I'm on Raw" after the match was awesome), Jim Morrisson back, and CM Punk? More booking like that please!

That JR's back makes me think we're definitely going in the right direciton, he's been a pretty vocal critic of the WWE recently with how stale it's got, so if he's back he must know it's getting a lot better.

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WWE simply won't turn Cena heel while he's making millions for the company. In any other era he would have turned years ago, his situation is just like "Rocky Maivia" and HBK's first WWE title run. White meat babyfaces get turned against very quickly and it's only the Cena merchandise machine that keeps him face.

I see Punk turning full face soon enough but he'll be a tweener for a while first.

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That's my thinking too, but they're making it seem like he's going that way.

Honestly if they keep on the old path they won't have a choice. He's already booed by the majority of people that aren't female or under 14, it can't be too much longer before the others see through him.

Either a heel turn or a drastic reinvention is needed with him.

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I get the feeling they are doing something with his move-set - if you notice during the Punk and Rey matches both men broke up his shoulder-block 'hulking up". That's one of the biggest gripes about him - his predictability towards the end of matches.

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Im so glad cmpunk is back allready. But i didn't think it be so soon. Car't belive they did that to poor rey on raw its kind of like no 1 really alound to win it but cena. I reckon they will do it cmpunk vs cena with both belts on the line at the next ppv. When cena 1st came in to wwe he got well booed i remmber people chearing for brain kendrick when he was taking the mick out of him on sd. He making vince to much money i car't see them ever chaging him again

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He's the merchandising cow that has changed the entire company and it looks like the new experiment of online media with Ryder has paid off for them as well. He's got two highly popular shirts for someone who has only participated in two ten second squashes on RAW.

For the all stick the 'PG' era gets (from those who just moan and ECW fans presumably), it still certainly has its fair share of entertainment and if it means the people involved are in better health by less risque spots (though having seen MITB...) and not having to blade, then long may it continue.

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The "Attitude" era produced some of the greatest moments in WWE history.

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I think I just prefer how it is now, its just more 'organised'? Poor wording. Anyway, the pace has been really good recently, hope it continues.

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Prior to the CM Punk storyline WWE has been stale for years.

The PG era has slowly strangled it, constantly declining viewing figures and PPV buys.

The Attitude era was amazing, the height of WWE, I really don't see anything WWE has done in the past few years that comes close to even the worst angles in the Attitude era.

There's a reason why the "lets go cena"/"cena sucks" chants have been changing in volume month by month, with more and more people leaving the first camp for the second. At this point he has only the women and kids left supporting him whilst the rest of the audience is completely turned off by his constant superman impressions and ****** "Cena must come out on top" booking.

(And don't get me started on smackdown where the super face Randy Orton just can't lose clean despite acting almost entirely like a heel, just goes to show face/heel is based on if you're winning or not rather than any underlying gimmick because there's no way in hell you can sell me Orton's gimmick as a face.)

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One thing is certain, There is no way The Rock will be leaving WrestleMania as a winner.

Its the same thing Hogan did for him all those years ago.

So I'd expect Cena to be booked in 8 years time against a new face of WWE and lose cleanly.

Funny thing is even with the boo's Cena gets I think he is the biggest Face of the WWE we have ever seen.

Not solely based on popularity because then it would be The Hulkster or The Rock but based on Popularity and Money generated. People make claims about Cena fans being women and children which in ways is true but at the same time there are countless number of over 18 males who would cheer him. People fail to realise that at least 60% of WWE's fanbase are Women and Children. Saying that I feel WWE is now going to offer more to the Adult fanbase again as I believe the PG era is coming to end with the slow retirement process of the chairman Mcmahon and the ushering in of Paul Levsque (HHH) Whether he continues with his stage name remains to be seen.

The hard part about any change is to keep it balanced, if they rush into blood splattering everywhere you will find that parents do not want their child being affiliated with that sort of thing but at the same time if they cater too much for the younger generation they will find adults do not get any entertainment out of it. It has to be entertaining for both parties and at the same time.

I found they achieved this perfectly before the PG rating by having Raw Live but the following day showing a PG edited version. I think they could take advantage of this again and should take advantage of the fact they have two brands.

Show Raw with its old American rating on the Monday Live.
Show a repeat the following morning that is edited (Used to be on SKY 1 uk)

Show Smackdown as normal (PG Unedited)

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It was great to see jim ross back on raw is he back for good?

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What would benefit from not having the PG rating? The moves haven't really changed, the loss of blading is better for their health leaving only the mind numbingly tedious insults they now have to use because they're not allowed to swear.

Contradicting myself, I find it stupid it even has a PG rating, the PPV's are of the same content and are released on DVD with a 15 rating (over here). Plus RAW's live broadcast is at 2am over here and 8pm over here so why the concern about the little jimmys anyway, if they're that young to be affected by the content they should be asleep. Plus as you say, they can show a watered down version the morning after for kids to watch, at a more respectable time as well.



Based on his Wikipedia article, he's back for good.

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I admit to being a huge mark for the attitude era. Stone Cold, DX, all the different stables, the monday night wars, in my opinion it was the greatest 4 or 5-odd year period in the history of the business. Punk becoming almost SCSA-like in his anti-hero status, Orton still doing everything a heel would despite being a massive over face, white-meat faces (ie Cena) getting booed out of the building, it all looks like becoming more and more like those days again and you won't hear me complaining - as long as they do it right.

The original era was awesome because it was so new, so fresh, nobody had seen anything like DX before, nobody had ever assaulted Vinnce never mind give him a stunner. One thing which made it work was the boys had little or no restrictions in what they could do - it was adult orientated. They did stuff purely because they could. I remember one Raw where Ken Shamrock put HBK in an ankle-lock and Shawn was writhing about in agony but had a lolly-pop in his mouth at the time. Stuff like that was pure gold.

If we entered a similar era now unless they were allowed to go over their PG rating it'll look like they're doing stuff but 'within the rules' which kills off any credability. You could watch Raw in 1998 and think to yourself "I know this is all scripted but I'm sure THAT wasn't supposed to happen". Doing it all 'by the book' now would just look awful.

They had better push Punk to the moon given his current popularity at the moment otherwise they'll miss a huge opportunity. Let's hope HHH will try to 'control' Punk in the way Vince did with Austin.

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The end of RAW was obvious what was going to happen (and the only way it could) but up to then it was a decent show. I'l probably buy Summerslam, hopefully the undercard backs up the main events instead of just being a 2hr wait.

The sound man must have been on double time at the end as well.

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Start was excellent.
Ending was crap.

The summerslam match has been obvious and telegraphed from the start. The non-reaction of the crowd to it said it all, it was a "oh is that it" moment.

The dueling chants was pretty crap as well because of the ridiculous amount of kids, girls, and middle aged single still live in their mom's basement men that will cheer Cena no matter what. God I hate Cena for how bad WWE is now (although it's not his fault it's all in the booking).

Speaking of hating Cena, why the **** did they bring out Johnny Ace just so Cena could come out and essentially rehash CM Punk's promo? Oh wait, it's because CM Punk's promo was gold, and you can't have anyone upstage Cena, so he came out and failed at being funny.

What could be a great angle is being ruined by two things:
1) HHH has to put himself over at every possible opportunity.
2) Cena has to be put over at every possible opportunity.

The WWE would be a MUCH better place without Cena, they're so hand tied with him because they made the mistake of letting him get so big at the expense of all others. If there were a number of big sellers, like there was in the attitude era, they could do a storyline like this MUCH better. Now, with the entire roster built to support one man, they can't do anything without worrying about destroying their one money maker.

I want Cena to get busted for steroids (the guys obviously on human growth hormone, he has the classic GH belly) so they can rebuild the WWE around a roster of talent not just one guy. His character is too far gone to save IMO, it'd take something absolutely special to reign it back in to the point where the audience will accept him not rolling all over everyone.

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Punk out-promo'd HHH, never thought I'd see that happen. Awesome stuff. I'd love to see a 3-way promo between Punk, Rock and Jericho.

I almost spat my tea out of my nose when I read you want to see Cena out of WWE. To quote Miz, "Really?! Really?!".

I can never understand it when people say that. In their hurry to be part of the 'cool' "we hate Cena" group they fail to realise the obvious: he creates a reaction. A massive reaction. That is the most basic, remedial aspect of wrestling, from WWE to the local workingmen's club promotion.

You want to see the guy you don't like getting beaten. Usually it's the super-over heels (Miz etc) who you want to see losing. Admitedly Cena is a unique situation being a massively-over face to some but still, a large portion of the audience want to see him lose. Things are changing in WWE, they're allowing others to shine against Cena (Rock, Punk). You want to see Punk beat Cena at SS. Job done.

Again, I fail to see why you don't see the obviously regardind Cena's status. No one performer is bigger than WWE. If you want to blame anyone for Cena's rise then blame Vince, not the wrestler himself. They could easily bury him over time. If they started now then a clean win for Rock at WM would work.

As for HHH putting himself over...well duh! Why not? He's one of the best and they've put him in an excellent position. Instead of having no-credability situations in the past (Stone Cold being RAW GM whilst still a wrestler etc) they now have a man who the audience know is already a 'suit' in WWE management calling the shots. The advantage is HHH can work (unlike Vince) so obviously he'll return to the ring as part of the storyline. I'm assuming he'll try to 'control' Punk in the way Vince tried to make SCSA a 'company man' as his popularity took off. HHH hasn't wrestled regularly in a while so they need to make look strong.

Again the Laurenitis part was pretty obviously and clear to most people. Different demographs but Punk and Cena have almost the same levels of popularity so both guys need to go in to SS looking strong. Both men divide the audience which is why they ended the show they way they did. I'm genuinely puzzled as to why so many people fail to see that.

Although I will agree the way they did the ending was embarrassing.

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Yes but the reaction he causes isn't the sort of reaction you want, it's an eye rolling "oh god this again". People don't boo him because they hate him in a positive way like a heel, they boo him because he's boring and repetitive and it's just the same old same old. This isn't like Cena fans booing CM Punk because he took the title away, which is the reaction you want, this is people booing him because the very concept of Cena is boring, stale, and damaging to the whole of WWE.

I don't want to see Cena getting beat, I actually don't want to see Cena AT ALL, because I know exactly how it'll end up, Cena will win whatever blow off matches they have with some five moves of doom rapadoo superman crap because he always has to come out on top. The same as has happened time and time and time again. It's boring, it's stale, it's insulting to anyone with half a brain.

Other people might be getting "to shine" but there every time they do Cena pops up to remind everyone how he's the greatest and at the top of the company. The entire thing is built around him.

You can tell how bad things are with Cena when he ridicules CM Punk's claim to the title by going "why? because he beat me one time?" Yes Cena, that's EXACTLY why he's the one with the biggest claim to the championship, because he BEAT YOU in a CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH. In this entire feud CM Punk has done everything to put the WWE Championship over, to make it out like it matters, like it's important. For years now the title has been nothing but a prop, and Cena on Raw showed exactly why, he doesn't care that he lost the title, because the guy only beat him once, it doesn't matter, Cena's still the best.

I agree that no one SHOULD be bigger than WWE, but Cena is. Cena is WWE. I already said it's not his fault, it's the fault of booking, but Cena at the moment is so far ahead of the rest of the roster that reigning him in is actually damaging to the company. People say it time and time again, Cena is merch sales. When was the last time WWE's merch was build around one guy? Attitude era there were a ton of guys all shifting merch, no one person stood out along, not even The Rock, you had Stone Cold there shifting just as much, but now it's all Cena.

HHH is permanently over, he doesn't HAVE to put himself over, he's over just by being HHH. His job should be to put other people over, instead he buries people at the expense of himself. We saw it last time he had a major role, he buried the entire roster one 20minute promo at a time. He's doing it with CM Punk, making sure that he knows that HHH, someone past their peak, is better than him still and could destroy him anytime he wanted. Why? What do we gain from that? What do we gain from knowing that a wrestler who isn't on the roster anymore, can destroy the WWE champion? It's just pointless. Like CM Punk said, it's all ego. What exactly does the WWE gain by putting a part-time wrestler over at the expense of guys working on the roster?

Both guys need to go into SS looking strong, but Cena could do that in any manner of ways, hell Cena looks strong just because he's Cena. His promo on Johnny Ace was another fine example of him burying the WWE title, his favourite part of a title match, in which he needed to save the title from leaving the WWE, was punching a suit in the face. How exactly does that do anything to build up the credibility of the WWE?

Even when CM Punk did his "I'm leaving" promo, he put the title over at the expense of everything else, making it mean something, making it important, this is why he's doing his "it's not a belt, it's a championship title" thing, to try to get it to actually mean something. Cena doesn't care about it because it's a prop to him. If he has it or not it doesn't matter, Cena is still the best in the WWE.

Which is why I say that it would be better without him, because with a character like Cena you have the entire company hand tied. If getting rid of him meant a major burying act (which would severely damage their income, so I doubt will ever happen) or him leaving, I don't care, I just think the product would be a hell of a lot better with an actual competitive roster. Not one that's build around giving guys short pushes for the sole purpose of feeding them to Cena.

There should be several viable champions each one with crowd support, it shouldn't just be one guy, with half the crowd in love with him, and the other half fed up with him and just cheering for who ever he's against.

I just can't see WWE pushing anyone else to the level of Cena.

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They do not need to get rid of Cena. Just change him. They're doing it right now - for 7 years nobody ever broke his double shoulder block/ missed punch/ protoplex etc fightback but Punk and Rey did it within a few weeks. This looks like the start of a major shift for Cena. It may well take months (even up to a year) but it's a start.