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Erm, purely out of interest what does Windows have to do with Firefox pre-fetching (which by the way happens on *nix as well as Windows, as astonishingly enough it's the same source code). I hope your bloke in the pub is better informed about ntl (he's wrong about your other point by the way) than you are about Firefox implementations.

Not entirely sure either what the above has to do with Windows munching memory to make up for its' inadequacies, whatever it's still a far more complete and mature desktop OS than any *nix variety, and all OSes cache content from hard drive to memory, this is why *nix and Windows have page files and .dll / lib caches :rolleyes:

Upgrades in September?!?! Vapourware dude. That was never a consideration, before you say that any delay is due to upgrades not being finished on time. September was never even considered as a possibility.

Just saying that to save people on 30th of Sept saying 'Bloody ntl where's my upgrade the bloke in the pub promised me?'. Also correcting some of the typical *nix zealot Win bashing.

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ouch

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The thing about the †œBloke in the Pubââ‚Âà ‚¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ÂÂ� is that he probably knows which office waste bins to rummage through, even if he is wrong this time he still has a better batting average than any other source, so I am going to stick with him.




Just checked Linux/Firefox and for once you are right ;) it is caching links so we are all doomed, 75gig isn't going to be nearly enough for the casual website browser, we will have downloaded megabytes at the new faster speed whilst we are deciding not to download anything, if you see what I mean.

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Will have to look for bin rummaging wallys when i am in the Oldham office then ;) :LOL:

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Nice one, you can't beat Northern humour. :LOL:

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I need to ask this, this upgrade work includes uncongesting ntl's external pipes?

Various usa backbone peering links are congested every night now during peak time, meaning an uncongested ubr doesnt count for much.

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Pinging kenradio.com (USA) last night I got 47% packet loss. Competition is always regarded as a good thing but I think it can also go too far to the point that things start falling apart.

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no slander intened on ntl but spin such as you can have 10 mb braud band for less than £20 works better than we have the least congested international pipes avaliable.

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I welcome to upgrades. NTL have never let me down in the 3 years I've been with them. Excellent service. Quite a daunting thought to have a 10Mb connection though. Looking forward to trying it out. Like a kid with a new toy.

But I'm a patient man, I can wait.

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Although I haven't the foggiest idea what you're on about, :welcome: to Cable Forum :);)

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Had to laugh
UK Online unveils 24 meg service
UK Online - the ISP that's part of local loop unbundling (LLU) outfit EasyNet - has confirmed it too is to offer 24 meg broadband.

The ISP launched an 8 meg service ten months ago and is now planning to build on that with the release of a 24 meg product from next month.


Although prices have yet to be confirmed the company said the service would cost under £30 a month.

In a statement Chris Stening, top dog at UK Online, said: "We've been pushing the current ADSL technology to its limits with 8Mb broadband since late last year."

Today's anouncement follows hard on the heals of rival ISP "Be", which revealed yesterday that it is planning a pilot of its 24 meg service in the London area.

Bulldog - another LLU operator which has been in the news recently for all the wrong reasons - is also telling its customers that it is planning to release a 20 meg service sometime soon.



So thats Uk Online with 20meg at £30,
Be Pilots with 24meg at £20 (as part of a trial)
Bulldog with 20meg

and we have NTL on 10meg and not available for everyone till end of next year (insert laugh here)

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Quick question...

How many of the above are available to everyone and if not, when?

Just that at least one of those mentioned is in the London area only and I can't say about the others. :shrug:

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Don't forget UK Online's 24mbit service is also unlimited

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And just to add to that where and how far from the exchange

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http://www.ukonline.net/broadband/exchangelist.php for a full list of exchanges it's available at. Don't forget it took a long time for NTL to enabled all it's areas. Peterborough was a good couple of years to receive broadband from NTL, after a lot of areas.

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So are you saying that these areas are ready for adsl2+

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Presumably they will be when UK Online is ready to roll it out. I recall reading that they installed ADSL2+ capable equiptment when they kitted out the exchanges.

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I can only get 2meg from a BT line. So not everyone then ;)

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I can get 1mbit from my BT line. I also can't receive telewest, freeview, homechoice and various other services.

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Well, if you're in a ntl area, you won't get telewest. ;)

My original point was that the 24m service isn't available to all, which was contrary to the other poster's post, i.e. they were rolling it out to everyone before ntl.

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Well if you quote me it's hard to tell you're refering to someone else :p:

My point was pretty much every service isn't available to everyone.

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I'm sorry people living in UK Online areas outside of London are having an absolute laugh if they think they will get 24meg. So lets not even talk like this is being offered outside of London. NTL will be launching to all areas and to far more people. Be Broadband, UK Online and such others are dealing with peanuts in terms of numbers.

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Glad to see some can talk sensibly instead of jumping on this announcement like its the end for Ntl. I will eat my hat if this is available in my area before i get 10 meg from NTL.;)

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Well said.
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If its one thing about me i only bet on a sure thing ;) :D

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mal
Quick question...

How many of the above are available to everyone and if not, when?

Just that at least one of those mentioned is in the London area only and I can't say about the others. :shrug:



hmmm take it your pointing out that ntl will offer this to every one not just those near an exchange


well maybe you can tell a load of newport residents who cant get ntl even though most are only a street away from some who can

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Well what are you on about.

I asked how far from the exchange to get 24 meg from ukonline. I was not saying anything about NTL doing this

I suggest you go back and read this again before you take another cheap swipe at me.

As for this
I don't know what planet your on but what the hell does that have to do with me other than you getting a cheap thrill from having a dig for no reason.

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I didn't say that ntl would be offering it every single customer, regardless of problems. Just that the ones mentioned weren't exactly available to all, which was the impression that the other poster gave about the 24meg.

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i was pointing out niether can say they can

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However, the 10 meg upgrade is being launched nationally. Any unbundled ADSL ISP will only launch in the most profitable areas, and may or may not launch in other areas. For instance, I can get 2 meg from most ISPs, or 4 meg from Homechoice on my BT line. This is despite me living about 300 meters away from the exchange. I cannot get any planned dates for further upgrades from any ISP..

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hmm most profitale areas only i see

that explains it there must be some othere reason other than profit that ntl cant cable up a number of my friends who have all the pipes in the street but no cable then

oh and at least two are not much futher than your 300m from a nice green box

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of course.

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bit behind i know but wasent there someone erlier bet this whould reach 700 posts

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There could be many reasons, but profit is probably part of it (especially if it's gonna cost a lot of money to cable the two streets.

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almost, NTL have chosen not to broadband up some of their areas they consider not financially viable.

End of the day there is good and bad things about each situation.

ukonline will probably initially only have 24mbit in london and then eventually rollout to all of its llu exchanges, 24mbit will probably only be possible when you are under 2km to the exchange and using the right server's to download off, it is much more a PR thing then anything else.

Likewise on NTL they are promoting their 10mbit to get their sales, but in the meantime they are pushing up their contention ratios and their external pipes get congested also making 10mbit a hard target to reach, the advantage with ntl of course distance is much less a factor, just providing you get lucky on the postcode lottery and have a good ubr and you dont use usa sites you have a good chance of using your full 10mbit. The uncapped service will probably be lower speeds anyway so the only users on the 10mbit will be low to medium users making it much more less likely it will be pushed.

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after roll out as hapens any time people get any thing new it will be tested and the external pipes and ubrs will be punished. but like you said above with the 10mb package being capped its gonna calm down eventually. letting the contention ratios go is a hidden problem you can have 10 mbit but only when only 3 of you are usign there connections locally. ( numbers may be wrogn i seam to remembre 27 mb avaliabel at street cabinets can any one confirm/deny this)

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Since your signature states that you work for NTL, you will probably get your 10 meg before anyone else on NTL broadband gets it. :D

Since I am on 1 meg, I will have to wait until next year.

Michael

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Yet another cheap shot from someone who is disgruntled. He will get his 10meg because he will be on a 3meg service, or not as may be his case. I want 10meg early as is my preference, so i upgraded to 3meg. The choice is there.

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I have hinted before about how much your ongoing ill informed conjecture really begins to become very irritating. You make sweeping statements of pure rubbish and pass them off as factual. Please desist.

From your numerous posts, you live in an area of LE that was originally cabled to a level that is not compatible with some of the current ntl high spec offerings.

Fine. Just maybe this is being worked on. Meantime, please spare us your considered opinion of what ntl may or may not be planning/doing/not doing/spending. I have hedged around your vexatious outpourings before - but - finally - please desist from posting rubbish with a negative slant. Thanks.

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*laughs* and *claps*

Predicting that we won't get 10megs. Calling it a postcode lottery when reports from NTL state 95% of people are with 2k was it? (Please correct those figures if they are wrong, they are just the best of my recollection), how is that a lottery? I could go on but i won't cos i have to go to bed and it's not worth correcting the statement

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Looking at this thread - Please can we try to avoid personal & inflammatory remarks. Thanks.

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And there you go. Someone that will look at a post and read the correct answer from it. :tu: . Yes i am on 3meg so i will be one of the first to benefit from the upgrades when they happen. You are correct it does seem to be cheap shot hunting season at the moment. The last cheap shot before this does not even have the guts to answer his verbal diarrhea. Instead he will come out from under his bridge whenever there is need of some anti NTL verbal diarrhea.

For gods sake people this is a grownups forum not the school yard.

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Why shouldn't 3Mbs customers be first with 10Mbs, relatively speaking we pay over the odds for our service compared to the other tiers, there is nothing to stop anyone else upgrading to the top tier now in order to be in the group getting 10Mbs first. 3Mbs customers are obviously more profitable to ntl so they are just trying to keep us happy.

Talking of happy, personally I have found ntl excellent from the day they arrived to install the service, 8 am prompt, no mess to clear up after, setup and running in minutes after they had gone, perfic.

I have only called CS 2 times but got through immediately both times, the associates I spoke to were knowledgeable and helpful, I thought there had been a glitch in the billing but it was just the e-mail billing information which was incorrect one month, the actual DD was done correctly.

Reliability of services has been excellent, the only time that there has been a slight hiccup was when upgrades were being done, which is to be expected.

I was happy paying 37.99 for 1.5Mbs but it looks like I will be on 10Mbs within 13 months of signing up, for the same price, can't be bad.

I have gone over the daily soft cap when I was trying various Linux distros, but usually I would assume I am normally well within the limits, although I have never really felt the need to check.

I have never regretted moving from ADSL, in fact I just wish I had done it years ago. The only thing that put me off for so long was all the horror stories I read on the Internet about ntl. Someone told me at the time †œIf you can get Cable, get Cableââ‚ƚ¬Ã‚ÂÂÂ�, good advice as it turned out.

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*more appreciative claps* My experience of NTL has been almost identical to yours, and whilst i am no fan of NTL i appreciate they are pushing forward. If you speak to my work colleagues living in my area who can't get NTL, they are so, so jealous of the 10mb i will be getting. One colleague is on 1mb (with Zen i think) and his ISP has said that there is no plans to increase this speed at all. Lets deal in realism. NTL push forward with speeds they are able to and are releastic for millions of customers, not a few thousand. Do people really think NTL can just go and say lets do a 24 meg service when all of their customers might not be able to get it? Something has to be delivered that all can receive.

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Can't understand why everyone is moaning about uk online & be etc touting 24mb broadband. I can recall seeing somewhere that NTL & Telewest have the ability if they want to to get to 50mb on cable. Also with NTL being pledged to beating any offer that BT roll out, BT are stating they will compete with the LLU isp's when the number of unbundled lines hit 1.5 million. NTL are by far the best isp to be with.

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I don't think anyone is moaning about 24 meg adsl as such, more that it will be available to so few people.

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Sorry to ask and OK I will be shot down in flames but I am in Oxfordshire............when will we get 10 mb and do we need to do anything ! :Yikes:

Thanks

Mike

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Everybody is complaining about the 75gb cap not being enough and that UK Online are offering unlimited on 8mb. NTL will be fully aware of this and know that people will emigrate to the "other side" and will, undoubtedly, raise their cap limit when they start losing customers.Just because something is announced doesn't mean it's written in stone. NTL would be shooting themselves in the foot if they stuck to their guns and kept to the 75gb cap. Expect a change of policy where 10mb gets 300 - 500gb and other speeds (I think they will still keep the 1mb, 2mb options) will be unlimited (subject to the usual congestion rules etc). This will encourage all those who want to download HD content from NTL (and pay extra maybe) to go for the 10mb and all other who want to surf and play games (and download thirty linux distros a month ;) ) can stick with their slower speeds. Me, personally, I would rather stay with 2mb and be unlimited. It's fast enough for what I want to do.

And when they say "Downloading 500gb severly cocks up the network for others" you know that what they really mean is "Of course we can handle that kind of usage - we'd be the laughing stock of the ISP market if we couldn't - we just want you to pay more for the privelage."

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You won't be shot down in flames..

In short, the answer to your questions are: It'll happen when it happens, and you won't need to do anything (although you will get it quicker if you are on the 3 Meg connection).

Basically, NTL tend not to release dates when they are upgrading areas because they want some leeway in the event of problems (for instance, if they promised the upgrade by a certain date, then, due to circumstances beyond their control, missed that date, people would complain).

I believe that any staff members who do know the dates have non-disclosure clauses in their contracts. Could be wrong though.

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In all honesty, i think 10mb is more than enough to accomadate the british public for at least the next 5 years. I think this whole speed increase thing is just a p*ssing contest between ISPs now. And the fact that some are introducing caps emphasises that the speed is just a marketing tool, and most ISPs could not actually sustain that level of speed 24/7.

Its kind of like owning a really nice villa, that you can only use for 1 month of each year ;)

Not that im complaing, Bill C

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Im currently on the 2mb package,

Soon as the 10mb connection becomes available, Will it be possible for me to upgrade to the 10mb and pay the difference, or would I be stuck on the 2mb, till NTL change the speed tiers,

If I cant upgrade straight away, then I will upgrade now, and have the automatic 10mb once available..

Sorry if this question has already been asked, But at 765 posts its hard to keep up,

Thanks

Slowcoach.... go down the pub and bring us the latest ;)
(Great Job)

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:LOL:

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IMHO they will be giving 10Mb to the 3Mb customers first for one reason, they make up the smallest ratio of the price band and therefore its going to be easier to collect the data and analysis problems that will arise.

24Mb ASDL - 10Mb CABLE is like VHS - BETAMAX

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Please tell me that was a weak comparison... ;)

it's not 24mb ADSL vs 10mb cable
it is however...
London and high density areas vs the rest of the UK

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I meant technology wise

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Yep - cable's technically much better, but ADSL has better movies ;)

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If it comes to the crunch, NTL still have the hand over BT, as they have much shorter copper runs into each house, (correct me if im wrong)

those green boxes in the street have duel copper / coxial going into each house that has the NTL service,

Im not sure around other NTL areas, But those green boxes are every where around my local area, and the line length will be shorter than BT's - Hence More speed, Same product.

In theroy, NTL could offer ADSL2+ over those copper runs if they felt BT and the LLU operators started taking a serious maket share,

In my opinion NTL is in a much better postition than, BT and the lucky few on LLU
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I know ADSL already have more users than NTL, but, the question should be how many BT users can get 10mb on there adsl line, compared to NTL

NTL users will be downloading at 1100kb+ while BT users will be losing sync ;)

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Exactly, good post :tu:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by yer nice one
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I know ADSL already have more users than NTL, but, the question should be how many BT users can get 10mb on there adsl line, compared to NTL



the answer would be an ever increasing amount while cable seems to have stopped doing new areas and is trying to buy more customers rather then expanding

personaly i am on neither side just i dont see ntl as a saviour of broadband any more than bt is

both are not at the forfront of speed qualty or price in comparison to other countries and we realy should be ahead of the world on this

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and the reason were not ahead of the world on this?

our comunication network was badly neglected under the bt monopoly and is takign time and lots of money to bring up to scratch many other countries have had substantial guverment fundign to help with this and we have no such luck.

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Does any1 know what the unlimited speeds will be yet? Sorry if there is no word on this and im asking a stupid question lol

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I am not sure if I want 10mb so I am not upgrading to 3mb if NTL eventually upgrade me to 10mb then fine but I am not such a speed freak beside my pc is now getting old and the speed could kill her spirit :D

Besides with the speed problems I am trying to solve at present, not sure if its proxies or router 10mb would be a waste or kill the router straght away. :rofl:

Is there any difference between a school yard and these forums once the bell has gone. :angel:

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the congested peering is confirmed by ntl staff and affects everyone, I dont call that ill informed.

95% also isnt universal.

If you cant take criticism which wasnt even aimed at you then dont speak at all, but attacking someone personally for good points they made and because you dont agree you try to discredit them.
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Someone who knows whats going on. The real truth is the amount you can download is a bigger indication of what you get rather then max speed, especially when 10mbit you will be hard pushed to reach. Now before I offend my friend again, my point also goes to ukonline,bulldog and be for their 24mbit, it is all just a marketing gimmick. Ukonline's 500gig 8mbit is more then 75gig 10mbit tho.

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The cablecos are not expanding their cabled areas simply because of the cost of doing so. The most densly populated parts of their areas are probably already cabled so there is a lower revenue potential in remaining uncabled areas. I would imagine it will be quite some time, if ever, before any significant new cabling projects are started. Maybe new builds may be cabled if done in conjunction with ground works for them. The only other possibility would be if cables were strung from poles rather than buried, but I think this unlikely.

Comparing broadband in this country with overseas is like comparing apples with oranges. There are so many factors which affect prices and speeds that vary depending on what part of the World you are in.

Competition is the driving force behind prices and speeds. Many ISP's will only do the minimum they can get away with to avoid spending vast amounts of money. Why would an ISP spend millions upgrading networks if they got little extra revenue from doing so? Whilst there are a vast number of ISPs in the UK, most of them are very small. Most of the well known names that are often talked about on here have a very small user base. Bulldog only having 65,000 customers for example. Are these really a threat to the cablecos? Can they take on many more customers in the near future and remain reliable, given that most of their new customers will be the heavy users that no ISP really wants?

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After your remark against me, I will be inclined yo reply you want more tissues to wipe ntl's ass with. As anything saying they rock you find a good post.

Now as I said earlier I think both sides have their bad points, ADSL been distance dependant but because of more competition in ADSL area's I think the ADSL isp's have better external peering then NTL, Nildram certianly do. If you only use your connection in the uk and not bothered by poor usa performance then good for you.

Ukonline claim 20% of uk households will be able to get their 24mbit service by oct 2005(source adslguide), I dont know what % of uk households will be able to get ntl's 10mbit in oct 2005.

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What you have to remember is that most broadband customers are not interested in the speed of their connection or the usage policy applied to it. They only want to switch on their computer and have it do want they want it to. Over 95% of broadband customers will carry on just as they do at present and will only start to look at faster speeds and higher usage tiers when some mainstream application demands more than they get at the moment. Full screen HD streaming video being a prime example. All ISP's are looking at the needs of the 95% of the market and not at the high end very heavy users who think every BB user should be like themselves.

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No, as the other person said earlier you just make these sweeping inaccuracies that need correcting. I never said it was Universal, they were your words, calling it a lottery though is inaccurate. I like posts which deal in realism, not that big up NTL. NTL bashing (which you do a lot of) when comparing them with providers with a fraction of the people on their books isn't realistic. Fact: NTL will use a profitable model which they can deal to everyone. Fact: 2-bit providers purely basing their 24megs in London as we speak with half a dozen customers (i don't know the real number) can't be taken seriously on a forum which has customers Nationally.

When is my 24meg from be broadband going to get to Norwich?? Yeah right.

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Or better still

Chrysalis

When will the 24 meg service be in LE which i think is your area. You seem to know a lot about other providers so that bit of information should not be hard to find.

As has been posted before NTL deal with far more customers that most of the Adsl providers put together and it would not cost the Adsl providers half as much to upgrade there systems and equipment as it does Ntl. The same can be said for the upgrade time frame as well.

I have said this before and i will say it again I live in the real world not the fantasy world or the world where statements made by someone become fact in their mind and are quoted as fact.

To be honest 10meg sounds great to me however just like others on this board i would like to see what NTL are going to offer on the unlimited side. I personally would be very happy if they offer me 3meg unlimited as speed is not everything. I when i download tend to download overnight and therefor speed is not a issue to me as i can wait that little bit longer for the download.

At the end of the day you take the service that is for you. If Ntl is not for you then try some other provider if that option is available

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If ntl take up adsl2+ over the short runs from the cab to the home they will be using copper thats been there years rather than decades, they'll also free up mass's of bandwidth on the HFC network which will give unlimited upgrade potential for digital tv. Since all ntl's network will be short runs they should be able to g/tee 24mbit and faster to each customer. But its all down to investment. Ntl have already put their investment in the hfc network and really should look at changing the docsis to get faster speeds from that. In the long run I think you'll see lots of the smaller adsl providers closing or doing what the cable industry did and get bought out and bought out untill you have a large co. with many diff systems and technologies/standards and they will be in the same position as ntl.....

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I think I agree with you here, I am not too excited about 10mbit or 24mbit right now, on availability I am in ukonline's llu 8mbit range, wether or not 24mbit will be rolled out here come oct who knows. However I am happy with 2mbit or so max speed but just want a stable good performing service with higher cap or unmetered which hopefully ntl have plans for.

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if i am given the choice of 10mb with a cap or 2mb unlimited then i would go for unlimited to. In my opinion 10mb with a cap would be like owning a ferrari when theres a fuel shortage

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Nicely put :) :tu:

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indeed!,

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what about those who want an unlimited 10mbit product and are willing to pay ?

shouldnt NTL cater to those people, i thought this was supposed to be broadband britain!

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Isn't there a cap discussion thread running :shrug:

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Yes there is, Its over HERE

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If I could afford a Ferrari fuel costs would be the last thing on my mind ;)

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So would surfing the internet :)

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I would certainly be surfing something if not the net. :naughty: :D

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But they won't go this route, if anything in time the copper twisted pair will fall into disuse.
Sitting here in upstate NY watching a VOD PPV movie (i had the choice to buy it in widescreen or p&S too), surfing the net, making a VOIP "Digital Telephone" call and recording the Disney channel onto the HDD PVR. All running down the bandwidth on the HFC copper cable.
Digital Telephone is how the Cablecos in the US have moved to triple play. NTL don't even need to go there, but if they chose to do so they can take advantage of enhanced CLID which database lookups the incoming number and sends the name and number to the handset.

On top of this you can call up for a free upgrade to HDTV reception.

I'll try to remember to take some photos of the SACM+Digital Phone and the PVR/Menus etc to post later.

Really, the future is cable and the speed NTL are moving to have the services I see here is accellerating at a pace.

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Sure 4 figures a month?

Unmetered 10mbit is suicide contention wise it takes too much of the ubr up.

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im just thinking at what speed will be the new unlimited packages when the arrive if its 6-8mbit unlimited then its not such a huge spike, of speed that is.

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so whos doing 8 unlimited?

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no one i think of, (who desent have T&C or cap) although NTL did say that they will do unlimited packages lower then 10mbit, but at what speed id like to know, i guess we will have to wait.

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The thing is....The customer doesnt see that, all the customer sees is other cable companies in the uk like telewest which are going to offer 10mbit unlimited. If telewest can do this then why cant ntl do it? :erm: is ntl's network not as good as telewests?

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people are hazzarding a guess at maybe 5 - 6 meg for unlimited

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bulldog say they do, dont know about the T&C on the service, they have two packages of 8mbit, one limited and another without restrictions.

http://www.bulldogbroadband.com/resi...P/NP/index.asp

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I dont rate bulldog, but you will never see ntl offer that kind of package anyway. If the romours that we are going to see 5mbit unmetered are true I would be pleasantly surprised.

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I'd take 2MB unlimited, i dont download much the odd demo and songs.

So i take it 10mb will be over kill with games online, my bf2 plays ok on 1mb.

Anything on upload?

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hey there

does anyone know if ntl have actually started trialling 10mb services to select users at all if so does anyone have any results of this?

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You might be thinking about servicing and spare parts costs though!!!

This is a link for a Ferrari Specialist (not main dealer's) price list !!

Have a butchers at the price of spares...a new ecu (brain) can cost £4000 and a clutch is just £400 - £900

makes the 18 odd mpg seem quite good value really ;)

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I forgot to add the Coax digital audio output on the back of the STB, plug it into your surround sound and get digital surround sound (on channels where broadcast).

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And does anyone know if NTL have started upgrading the cable modem firmware? I ask because about two days ago, to my considerable surprise, I noticed that a new light has appeared on my Linksys router - which, according to its documentation, indicates a successful 100Mbps connection. Also, when I move the mouse pointer over the Connections icon in the System Tray, the ToolTip states the number of packets sent and received, whereas before it stated the number of kilobytes, and quotes the connection speed as 100.0 Mbps - last week it said 10.0. Not that I'm complaining. :D

Has anyone else noticed anything like this?

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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=34088
"Bloke in the Pub", proved right again ;)

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Sorry but no. All you have there is a firmware upgrade which reset the ethernet port to 100meg instead of 10meg. Nothing i repeat nothing to do with the 10 meg upgrade. Better luck next time "Bloke in the Pub" ;)

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But if the ethernet port was 10 half duplex previously (I don't know if it was) it wouldn't allow 10Mbs at full speed, then there is the next speed upgrade to consider, but we'll leave that for another day. :D

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Most modems are set to 100meg. If someone had set that 1 at 10meg then the firmware upgrade would have reset it to 100meg.

I have been assured by real people in the know that the firmware upgrade had nothing to do with the 10 meg upgrade.

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to earlier post,

regarding download speeds of cd albums and movie file speeds.
Really and truthfully when ur downloading a movie file and using edonkey or any other peer 2 peer network u counld have a 100mb connection it still wont make it any quicker due to the other people using the network, same but the truth

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Drat!!!
Well. I am running sweet as a nut at the moment anyway, I am sure the modem is wanting to go into the fast lane, it feels like it is straining at the leash. :Yes:

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Where did this rumour about NTL doing slower speeds with unlimited cap come from?