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OLD BOY 18-03-2022 11:53
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36116871)
One side - invades country, indiscriminately shells civilians, breaches International Law in many ways, including cluster munitions & thermobaric bombs

Other side - calls the leader of the country an accurately descriptive name

OB - "neither side looks good here"

Your moral equivalence setting may need some slight adjustment… ;)
Well, I think it was fairly obvious I was referring to the name calling. Russia(Putin) is the bully who thinks he can do as he likes.

Hugh 18-03-2022 12:15
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36116898)
Well, I think it was fairly obvious I was referring to the name calling. Russia(Putin) is the bully who thinks he can do as he likes.
Were either of Biden's statements inaccurate?

'murderous dictator.'

“pure thug.”

Johnson has called Putin a bully and a war criminal - do you feel the same about those statements?

1andrew1 18-03-2022 12:24
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Interesting article on the BBC about the US's new contributions to Ukraine. Well worth a read. Points made in it include:

- Anti-tank weapons are likely to have the most impact in Ukraine as the Russian forces are mainly armoured convoys.

- The shoulder-fired Stinger system is the only anti-aircraft weapon included in the package. It is effective against low-flying helicopters or aircraft at up to about 12,400ft but useless against higher flying bombers. John Herbst, a former US ambassador in Kyiv said weapons against bombers are a serious omission.

- Former US Army Colonel Christopher Mayer said that the transfer of Mig-29 or similar jets by US allies would be an effective way of helping Ukraine fight for control of its skies. He noted that the Soviet Union provided both aircraft and pilots to North Vietnam to operate against US aircraft without starting a wider confrontation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60774098

OLD BOY 18-03-2022 12:29
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36116899)
Were either of Biden's statements inaccurate?

'murderous dictator.'

“pure thug.”

Johnson has called Putin a bully and a war criminal - do you feel the same about those statements?
Yes, I do. This only succeeds in mounting up the tension. That’s why we have diplomatic language.

Name-calling tends to indicate a loss of control, which we don’t need with all those nuclear buttons lying around.

Mick 18-03-2022 13:05
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Latest UK Intel of Russian effort via Map detail:-

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1647608636

Damien 18-03-2022 13:08
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36116901)
Yes, I do. This only succeeds in mounting up the tension. That’s why we have diplomatic language.

Name-calling tends to indicate a loss of control, which we don’t need with all those nuclear buttons lying around.
Normally I would agree with you that language is important in setting the tone but we're at the point where Russia is bombing children's hospitals to send a message so calling Putin a war criminal and thug is hardly escalatory. It's putting it nicely if anything.

OLD BOY 18-03-2022 14:22
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36116907)
Normally I would agree with you that language is important in setting the tone but we're at the point where Russia is bombing children's hospitals to send a message so calling Putin a war criminal and thug is hardly escalatory. It's putting it nicely if anything.
Yes, but he is an unstable thug who has become prone to outbursts of anger. It’s better to outmanoeuvre and emasculate him than to provoke an instant reaction to a comment about him personally that he feels is offensive.

Bring the ******* down before you stamp on his head, if you get my meaning.

Mick 18-03-2022 14:34
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BREAKING: China's President Xi tells U.S President Joe Biden during video call conflicts between states 'in no-one's interest' - AFP News Agency

Chris 18-03-2022 14:48
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BREAKING: China's President Xi tells U.S President Joe Biden during video call conflicts between states 'in no-one's interest' - AFP News Agency
As well they might.

This graphic shows how much China actually needs Russia, in trade terms, compared to other places in the world. Ultimately, China’s interests simply are not served by backing Russia at the expense of the goodwill of the USA and Europe.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1647614879

Chris 18-03-2022 15:27
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In case you missed it, Arnie’s 9-minute twitter video aimed at Russians is worth a watch. It seems to be making some headway within the country as well.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60794809

Maggy 18-03-2022 16:13
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36116921)
In case you missed it, Arnie’s 9-minute twitter video aimed at Russians is worth a watch. It seems to be making some headway within the country as well.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60794809
Yes I thought it was a well worded thoughtful response.

Mick 18-03-2022 17:40
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BREAKING: Russian Embassy in the UK calls on Government/Ofcom to revoke BBC’s license because RT’s was revoked earlier today:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1647624850

Chris 18-03-2022 17:43
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Comedy gold. It’s a pity they don’t like being the butt of satire as much as they like dishing it out:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60745569

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Russia has accused Canada of "kindergarten-level" diplomacy in a Twitter tiff over a social media post by Canada's United Nations mission.
The diplomatic spat is over a letter seeking support for a draft Russian resolution about aid in Ukraine.
Canada posted the letter to Twitter with "suggested edits", which led to retweets from other UN missions.

1andrew1 18-03-2022 17:50
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36116934)
BREAKING: Russian Embassy in the UK calls on Government/Ofcom to revoke BBC’s license because RT’s was revoked earlier today:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1647624850
Good to see them annoyed. :D

And great that the UK has now banned RT, though we've not been able to receive it for a couple of weeks due to agile action elsewhere.

Hugh 19-03-2022 09:39
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
Russian cosmonauts arrive at ISS in colours of Ukraine flag

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2...fe9eb008d63578

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2022/03/5.jpg

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Three Russian cosmonauts arrived at the International Space Station last night in flight suits made in the yellow and blue of the Ukrainian flag, in what appeared to be a daring statement against the war.

Oleg Artemyev, Denis Matveev and Sergey Korsakov blasted off from Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan for a six-month stay aboard the orbiting laboratory yesterday, joining the crew of two Russians, four Americans and one German.

In an extraordinary move, the three new arrivals emerged from their Soyuz capsule after docking with the space station wearing bright yellow jumpsuits with blue stripes, instead of the standard-issue blue uniform.

Russian crew members’ flight suits, which they change into on route — ditching the pressure suits and helmets required for launch — are usually packed aboard the spacecraft weeks before lift off.

The colour scheme and its dramatic divergence from usual dress codes drew gasps from Nasa officials and members of Nasa’s astronaut corps. “Wow. Just wow,” said Terry Virts, a former US commander of the ISS.


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