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Sephiroth 21-07-2020 11:22
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36044172)
No one's suggesting calling out a slave-trader's descendants, just calling out the slave-trader.
Sure, but the slave trader they're calling out is very long dead and they were called out when anti-slavery laws were passed in 1833.

Hugh 21-07-2020 12:22
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36044163)
And history is history. You gonna call someone out whose grandfather was a brutal SS officer? Let it go.

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Nope. Today's standards have nothing to do with the past phase when standards were different. Let it go.
If they laud him as a benefactor and put up a statue to him, definitely.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36044171)
http://ldhi.library.cofc.edu/exhibit...erybeforetrade


Makes nonsense of the narrow complaints of the colonial days.

You woke bleaters should pack it in and let our society and legal system deal with today's issues, including punishing BLM demonstrators who attack property.
Do you mean like ignoring requests for quite a few years, to have a more balanced plaque on Colston’s statue, showing whilst he was a benefactor, he also was a slave trader?

Sephiroth 21-07-2020 12:37
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36044182)
If they laud him as a benefactor and put up a statue to him, definitely.

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Do you mean like ignoring requests for quite a few years, to have a more balanced plaque on Colston’s statue, showing whilst he was a benefactor, he also was a slave trader?
Part of the evolution.

Paul 21-07-2020 15:03
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36044182)
Do you mean like ignoring requests for quite a few years, to have a more balanced plaque on Colston’s statue, showing whilst he was a benefactor, he also was a slave trader?
That does not bestow upon them the right to pull it down and throw it in the sea. That's called vandalism.

denphone 21-07-2020 15:10
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36044199)
That does not bestow upon them the right to pull it down and throw it in the sea. That's called vandalism.
No it does not give them the right to pull it down and throw it in the sea but l do think there should be a more balanced context to what is put on the plaque on the statue..

Carth 21-07-2020 15:15
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36044201)
No it does not give them the right to pull it down and throw it in the sea but l do think there should be a more balanced context to what is put on the plaque on the statue..
What was put on the plaque was done in 1895 when the statue was erected. I'm almost convinced things were a little different back then, but I'm open to arguements that they weren't :D

denphone 21-07-2020 15:30
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36044202)
What was put on the plaque was done in 1895 when the statue was erected. I'm almost convinced things were a little different back then, but I'm open to arguements that they weren't :D
Of course things were different then but it is quite easy to do a new plaque with far more context to it which people can then see and form a more wider understanding of the person the statue was done for.

nomadking 21-07-2020 15:35
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36044201)
No it does not give them the right to pull it down and throw it in the sea but l do think there should be a more balanced context to what is put on the plaque on the statue..
Does that "balanced context" extend to highlighting the depth and extent of Black African involvement? Doesn't seem to get much emphasis.

Paul 21-07-2020 16:17
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
As everyone knows (!) slavery only started a few hundred years ago, and was exclusively the English taking Africans as slaves.

... or so all these "activists" would have you think. :rolleyes:

Sephiroth 21-07-2020 16:32
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36044204)
Of course things were different then but it is quite easy to do a new plaque with far more context to it which people can then see and form a more wider understanding of the person the statue was done for.
All this because a US policeman knelt on a man's neck and killed him.

OLD BOY 21-07-2020 16:37
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36044220)
All this because a US policeman knelt on a man's neck and killed him.
Quite. Nowt to do with statues and abolition of capitalism! The movement has been hijacked.

Sephiroth 21-07-2020 16:42
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36044221)
Quite. Nowt to do with statues and abolition of capitalism! The movement has been hijacked.
... and long over-debated in this thread (imo).

Jimmy-J 21-07-2020 16:42
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36044204)
Of course things were different then but it is quite easy to do a new plaque with far more context to it which people can then see and form a more wider understanding of the person the statue was done for.
In this day and age, it's easier to get that info from our phones.

Carth 21-07-2020 16:47
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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Originally Posted by Jimmy-J (Post 36044223)
In this day and age, it's easier to get that info from our phones.
no no, we must all cast our phones into the dark depths, we must never allow the use of an instrument probably devised and developed using funds quite possibly achieved through an historical act of slavery, begone phone, and take you're bloody annoying ring tones with you :D

Hugh 21-07-2020 16:51
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36044220)
All this because a US policeman knelt on a man's neck and killed him.
If you think that, you are being obtuse (perhaps deliberately)...

That was the straw that broke the camel’s back, being just the latest in a long history of violence and inequality.


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