Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35989953)

Jeez - just seen this reply of yours - You are taking the piss again aren't you?

Nothing at all noble about those pathetic MPs - they have stood on election manifestos to honour the result and then decide to go against them, once elected because they are pathetic and won't accept the democratic result. So no, absolute rubbish that they are noble or brave.

I am sick of you telling everyone, in this thread, they didn't know what they were voting for - they did - they voted to leave and yes that was what the country voted for, the ones that bothered to vote, that is.

You do know what leave means ? :dunce:

It's not rocket science - leave means to "exit something", "get out of" - leaving the EU means exactly that. FFS, I am sick of seeing the same shit being said in this thread, that Brexiteers didn't know what version of Brexit they wanted - Clue: We DID!!! :rolleyes:

I sure as hell know what I voted for and I am damn well sure 17.4 Million others did as well.[COLOR="Silver"]

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35989958)

I have yet to meet a fellow leaver who did not know what they were voting for.

I've met many remainers who've told me I didn't know what I was voting for.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35989955)

As for each MP winning their seat you can see from the 6 million signatures on the petition that there’s a huge gulf among Labour voting constituencies.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35989960)

Sorry, 17.4 Million beats 6 Million and if I was a Remainer, I would be very very worried that only 6 Million people have signed a well publicised petition to revoking Article 50 and Remaining in the EU. Where are all the 16 Million people who voted Remain, where is their signature, why have they not added theirs to it?

Not to mention that the figure is inflated due to abuse, i.e has been signed multiple times by the same persons. That is why we don't measure democracy via Online Petitions that can be easily manipulated and open to abuse.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35989963)

I’m not using the figure to give weight to remaining, I’m saying if you break it down by constituency there’s a huge gulf between Labour constituencies (with the most and least signatories). Making a single manifesto pledge, for a party that didn’t win an election, rather irrelevant to it’s electorate.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35989951)

They didn’t win the election despite the manifesto pledge. They’re not in a position to deliver, nor should they, to facilitate a damaging Tory Brexit.

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Why would anyone want to do that?

If the population want to engage with politics they’re free to join a political party and steer it in any way they see fit.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35989956)

Their contradiction is not my contradiction, you need to ask them, not me! :rolleyes:

There is no different forms of leaving. When you leave your house - you don't take off your arms and leave them behind, same when you leave a room, leave the country, you don't leave bits of you there, there is no differential differences with the definition of leaving, as I explained above leave means exactly that.

Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 35989973)

When I leave my house, sometimes I take my coat sometimes I don't. Sometimes I take my wallet sometimes I don't. Sometimes I take my car keys sometimes I don't. Sometimes I take the dog, sometimes I don't. Leave doesn't mean leave in terms of Brexit, it's simply just isn't that simple if you want the best for the country.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35989976)

BREAKING: EU eyeing up No Deal Preparations with the Northern Ireland Border. Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar says he met people from border communities with German Chancellor Angela Merkel ahead of Brexit talks and says they discussed how the single market and an open border can be protected in a 'no-deal' Brexit. Source: Sky News.

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But regardless if you take belongings with you or not, truly fascinating that this wasn't, you're still leaving your house.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35989976)

BREAKING: EU eyeing up No Deal Preparations with the Northern Ireland Border. Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar says he met people from border communities with German Chancellor Angela Merkel ahead of Brexit talks and says they discussed how the single market and an open border can be protected in a 'no-deal' Brexit. Source: Sky News.

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But regardless if you take belongings with you or not, truly fascinating that this wasn't, you're still leaving your house.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35989987)

Labour and Conservatives to continue talks tomorrow.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35989994)

At least they have not fallen out thus so far.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35989955)

How do you explain the contradiction between Davis, Mogg, Raab, Fox and Johnson as to whether May’s deal is good or bad?

I’m certain everyone who voted leave wanted some form of leaving. There’s no uniform consensus on the future relationship, customs etc. Even you must see that surely?
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