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RizzyKing 11-04-2017 01:09
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I'm sick of seeing people talking about UK workers not being prepared to do certain jobs as while there is a tiny minority that won't work until they are forced too the majority do apply for any job trouble is the companys have a choice employ the UK worker and have to pay minimum wage or take on an immigrant that will work for £2-3 less an hour. Easy to work for less when your living 10+ to a house and skip out before having to pay utility bills and other mundane costs that normal people have to pay so quit talking trash about UK workers and condemning them all because of a few scroungers.

My brother (half brother if we're being exact) is in international business he runs a group of companys and both he and many of the businessmen he invites to his estate are very positive about brexit saying that more doors will open then close. They are already planning to take advantage of brexit as are many other business people there is a lot of positivity in certain quarters about brexit and it is perplexing that the FT can find none of it or report it. Despite the fact that journalists from the FT have had interviews with pro brexit business they just never make it into print but a negative brexit article hits print at bullet speed. The FT used to be a business persons point of information but it's reputation is suffering because of a couple of things brexit being one where it is definately running an agenda.

pip08456 11-04-2017 01:31
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35894110)
The FT used to be a business persons point of information but it's reputation is suffering because of a couple of things brexit being one where it is definately running an agenda.
Of course but it fits 1andrew1's agenda so he's happy to keep posting the doom and gloom.

passingbat 11-04-2017 04:27
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35894086)
Which for patriotic people like me who care for the economic wellbeing of their country as that funds services like healthcare and defence, is a tad worrying.
So, in essence, you are prepared to sell the UK's rights to self determination in areas of taxes, laws and borders, to an outside institution, for what you perceive as economic gain. Economic gain of which there is no absolute proof, and indeed, the opposite view from some quarters.

Sadly, you remind me of Esau, who sold his Birthright to Jacob, for a pot of hot stew. Genesis 25:29-34

TheDaddy 11-04-2017 07:21
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35894117)
So, in essence, you are prepared to sell the UK's rights to self determination in areas of taxes, laws and borders, to an outside institution, for what you perceive as economic gain. Economic gain of which there is no absolute proof, and indeed, the opposite view from some quarters.

Sadly, you remind me of Esau, who sold his Birthright to Jacob, for a pot of hot stew. Genesis 25:29-34
Depends on how hungry you are.

What type of stew was it out of interest?

pip08456 11-04-2017 07:24
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35894124)
Depends on how hungry you are.

What type of stew was it out of interest?
Lentil.

TheDaddy 11-04-2017 07:26
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35894110)
I'm sick of seeing people talking about UK workers not being prepared to do certain jobs as while there is a tiny minority that won't work until they are forced too the majority do apply for any job trouble is the companys have a choice employ the UK worker and have to pay minimum wage or take on an immigrant that will work for £2-3 less an hour. Easy to work for less when your living 10+ to a house and skip out before having to pay utility bills and other mundane costs that normal people have to pay so quit talking trash about UK workers and condemning them all because of a few scroungers..
10 years ago I'd have been in full support or even three years ago but it's not like that anymore, they've integrated and don't want to live 10 to a house or do 300 hours anymore or certainly the Polish I work with don't at any rate, plus the wages are actually going up to. It's the main reason I went from hardcore leave to soft remain.

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35894125)
Lentil.

Forget it, no deal not even if you throw in a new pair of sandals

1andrew1 11-04-2017 08:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35894117)
So, in essence, you are prepared to sell the UK's rights to self determination in areas of taxes, laws and borders, to an outside institution, for what you perceive as economic gain. Economic gain of which there is no absolute proof, and indeed, the opposite view from some quarters.

Sadly, you remind me of Esau, who sold his Birthright to Jacob, for a pot of hot stew. Genesis 25:29-34
International trade has brought prosperity to the world.
But you are quite happy to see the UK's great companies sold off to the highest foreign bidders due to the weak post-Brexit vote £ (Odeon to the Chinese, ARM, our biggest tech company to the Japanese). This is not taking back control, it's losing it.

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35894112)
Of course but it fits 1andrew1's agenda so he's happy to keep posting the doom and gloom.
Unlike you predicting more terror attacks which is not doom and gloom. ;)

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35894110)
I'm sick of seeing people talking about UK workers not being prepared to do certain jobs as while there is a tiny minority that won't work until they are forced too the majority do apply for any job trouble is the companys have a choice employ the UK worker and have to pay minimum wage or take on an immigrant that will work for £2-3 less an hour. Easy to work for less when your living 10+ to a house and skip out before having to pay utility bills and other mundane costs that normal people have to pay so quit talking trash about UK workers and condemning them all because of a few scroungers.

My brother (half brother if we're being exact) is in international business he runs a group of companys and both he and many of the businessmen he invites to his estate are very positive about brexit saying that more doors will open then close. They are already planning to take advantage of brexit as are many other business people there is a lot of positivity in certain quarters about brexit and it is perplexing that the FT can find none of it or report it. Despite the fact that journalists from the FT have had interviews with pro brexit business they just never make it into print but a negative brexit article hits print at bullet speed. The FT used to be a business persons point of information but it's reputation is suffering because of a couple of things brexit being one where it is definately running an agenda.
In what ways can they take advantage of Brexit?
Which business people has the FT interviewed but not published? Don't you think those business people would kick up a stink if the FT wasted their time and did not publish the interviews? Interviews with the very few pro-Brexit business people (JCB, Dyson, Tim Martin of Wetherspoons) have been published to death.
One issue with employment is a lot of jobs with ready vacancies are in London. Younger workers from around the world are prepared to travel there and take them whereas older unemployed people in the rest of the UK with families, kids at local schools and a good community are not. I can understand this and it's partly a structural failing of the London-centric economy with finance, Government and business HQ all in the same city.

papa smurf 11-04-2017 09:02
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35894110)
I'm sick of seeing people talking about UK workers not being prepared to do certain jobs as while there is a tiny minority that won't work until they are forced too the majority do apply for any job trouble is the companys have a choice employ the UK worker and have to pay minimum wage or take on an immigrant that will work for £2-3 less an hour. Easy to work for less when your living 10+ to a house and skip out before having to pay utility bills and other mundane costs that normal people have to pay so quit talking trash about UK workers and condemning them all because of a few scroungers.

My brother (half brother if we're being exact) is in international business he runs a group of companys and both he and many of the businessmen he invites to his estate are very positive about brexit saying that more doors will open then close. They are already planning to take advantage of brexit as are many other business people there is a lot of positivity in certain quarters about brexit and it is perplexing that the FT can find none of it or report it. Despite the fact that journalists from the FT have had interviews with pro brexit business they just never make it into print but a negative brexit article hits print at bullet speed. The FT used to be a business persons point of information but it's reputation is suffering because of a couple of things brexit being one where it is definately running an agenda.
:clap::clap::clap:

a very passionate post it's heart warming to find someone sticking up for our own people instead of constantly trying to talk them down like the EU apologists do.

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35894117)
So, in essence, you are prepared to sell the UK's rights to self determination in areas of taxes, laws and borders, to an outside institution, for what you perceive as economic gain. Economic gain of which there is no absolute proof, and indeed, the opposite view from some quarters.

Sadly, you remind me of Esau, who sold his Birthright to Jacob, for a pot of hot stew. Genesis 25:29-34
cold comfort for the rest of us . papa- 11:4:17

heero_yuy 11-04-2017 09:09
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Highly skilled British people could work in the European Union after Brexit under an expanded visa scheme, a new report claims.

According to the new analysis by Migration Watch, the right-wing think thank that campaigns for more stringent immigration controls, the proposed expansion of the “Blue Card” scheme could “provide opportunities for British nationals to work in the EU even without any special agreement following the Brexit negotiations”.

The scheme, which is modelled on the United States’ green card programme, aims to give highly qualified workers from outside the EU the right to live and work in a member state provided they meet specific conditions.
Source

More good wholesome Brexit news.

passingbat 11-04-2017 13:05
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35894133)
International trade has brought prosperity to the world.
.

Who is against international trade? certainly not me, or Brexit supporters. We want to international trade agreements, but as a Sovereign nation.

1andrew1 11-04-2017 13:24
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35894191)
Who is against international trade? certainly not me, or Brexit supporters. We want to international trade agreements, but as a Sovereign nation.
If we sell off our companies to overseas buyers which Brexit is helping happen through a lower exchange rate then we cease to have sovereignty over them.
EU has brought great prosperity to the UK by making the country more competitive. Gone are the days of flogging Austin Allegros with square steering wheels to grateful subjects in far-flung corners of the globe.
And yes, we're still a sovereign nation today and in the EU.

papa smurf 11-04-2017 13:43
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35894199)
If we sell off our companies to overseas buyers which Brexit is helping happen through a lower exchange rate then we cease to have sovereignty over them.
EU has brought great prosperity to the UK by making the country more competitive. Gone are the days of flogging Austin Allegros with square steering wheels to grateful subjects in far-flung corners of the globe.
And yes, we're still a sovereign nation today and in the EU.
do you have examples of these sold on the cheap companies


" the eu has brought great prosperity."...

so where are the British car manufacturers then how many Austins does the EU buy

ianch99 11-04-2017 14:09
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35894191)
Who is against international trade? certainly not me, or Brexit supporters. We want to international trade agreements, but as a Sovereign nation.
We are a Sovereign nation aready: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states

passingbat 11-04-2017 14:27
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35894212)

Not in a practical, every day sense, whilst we are in the EU.


We can't independently, at will, change all laws, all taxes and EU immigration rules whilst still in the EU.


These three things are the heart of Sovereignty.

1andrew1 11-04-2017 14:47
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35894203)
do you have examples of these sold on the cheap companies


" the eu has brought great prosperity."...

so where are the British car manufacturers then how many Austins does the EU buy
I've not said they were sold on the cheap, I said that they were bought by foreign buyers because the Pound depreciated since the Brexit vote. But the costs to overseas buyers in their own currency since the vote were substantially cheaper due to the weaker £.

Companies acquired include our largest tech company ARM (sold to Soft Bank of Japan) and Odeon Cinemas (sold to the Chinese).

Pre-EU, Minis were assembled in Belgium to avoid tariffs. That factory was no longer needed once we joined the EU.

Because of Brexit, battery-powered Minis might be made in Germany instead of the UK. I hope they will be made in the UK.


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