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A defence lawyer said that the guide book has been thrown out the window.

Courts can only dish out sentences according to the laws of the land, for example a life sentence should mean life, but they only get 15, unless the judge give an order for longer, but that is for cases such as Murder.

The biggest problem with courts, they can dish out a sentence, but then they only serve half that. What should happen is, they should hand out a sentence like ' to be held by a jail until the crown decides they are suitable to be released, somewhere only those lines.

Cameron and his puppets cannot change the law to suit himself, or bring back the death penalty.

Once again, total gibberish.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35289453)

Once again, total gibberish.

i think Arthur should take note of your signature :D

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35289453)

Once again, total gibberish.

What? they can change the law to suit himself, and bring back the death penalty?

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35289416)

However I still think they punishments are excessive. I don't see why someone should see the inside of a prison cell for handling stolen goods or 4 years in jail for trying to start a riot via Facebook.

There's no way they'll serve 4 years or anything like that so let's not pretend otherwise. I'd be very surprised if they do more than 18 months and not at all surprised if it turns out to be even less. Frankly I'd be quite happy for anyone who incites the sort of rioting we all witnessed with its potential for huge damage and loss of life to be locked up for 4 years.

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35289445)

A defence lawyer said that the guide book has been thrown out the window.

Well defence lawyers would say that wouldn't they! ;)

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35289462)

it will be interesting to see what the apeal judges have to say

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35289465)

it will be interesting to see what the apeal judges have to say

Unfortunately, I was about to say the same thing.

Shame.

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35289462)

There's no way they'll serve 4 years or anything like that so let's not pretend otherwise. I'd be very surprised if they do more than 18 months and not at all surprised if it turns out to be even less. Frankly I'd be quite happy for anyone who incites the sort of rioting we all witnessed with its potential for huge damage and loss of life to be locked up for 4 years.

Considering that in this case nobody actually took up the offer to riot, would you be happy with a bill to the taxpayer of ~Â£160,000 as well?

Yes, prison costs the taxpayer Â£40,000 per inmate per year, and we're locking up quite a few...

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In his first major speech as justice secretary, Mr Clarke described as "astonishing" the 85,000 prison population in the UK and questioned whether it delivers value for money - reflecting what Frances Crook of the Howard League for Penal Reform desribed to Channel 4 News as a "financial imperative".

The justice secretary said he was "amazed" that the number of people in prison had doubled since his time as home secretary in the early 1990s.

He maintained that keeping a prisoner in jail has often proved "a costly and ineffectual approach that fails to turn criminals into law-abiding citizens".
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In his speech he says it costs Â£38,000 a year to send someone to prison - more than it costs to send a boy to Eton, the prime minister's old school. "We spend vast amounts of public money on a growing prison estate and ever more prisoners."

That's not from me. It's from Pinko Liberal, hand wringing, muesli eating and sandal wearing Guardianista Right Honourable Kenneth Clarke, Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice.

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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35289498)

Yes, prison costs the taxpayer Â£40,000 per inmate per year, and we're locking up quite a few...

Perhaps I'm being thick but why does it cost so much and why cant it be reduced.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35289500)

Perhaps I'm being thick but why does it cost so much and why cant it be reduced.

Well, presumably, you need specifically designed buildings, guards that are available around the clock. Prisoners need feeding, health care etc. I don't expect recreational facilities will add a great deal to the price.

I'm not surprised it's expensive to put people up in a secure environment 24/7.

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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35289505)

Prisoners need feeding, health care etc.

Im sure that could be reviewed. :erm:

I think its stupid Paul that people were sending TEXT MESSAGES to other rioters! (Did they not think they would share them with police?)

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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35289498)

That's not from me. It's from Pinko Liberal, hand wringing, muesli eating and sandal wearing Guardianista Right Honourable Kenneth Clarke, Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice.

And there is a lot of them coming out of the wood work to wring there hands, I am sure the HRA lawyers will be along shortly to make use of that act to get the rioters out of jail.

I am sure a reduction can be found in the cost of keeping them, How about bread and water for starters :LOL:

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Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 35289512)

I think its stupid Paul that people were sending TEXT MESSAGES to other rioters! (Did they not think they would share them with police?)

Some of these people are not well known for their brains, dude ...