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Re: More anonymous comments attacking me -- please have the courage to identify yours
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This comment is NOT reflective of badphorm, and is NOT by badphorm. (Brandon - I am Admin on badphorm) |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
I've closed this thread for a moment so I get everyone's attention.
I'm getting pretty annoyed with CF being used as a bitch-site against other forums. By all means keep the Phorm discussion going, this is a massive thread which shows there's a lot of interest in the matter. But copying posts from elsewhere is not acceptable and stops now. If anyone drags an argument from elsewhere I'll be handing out the infractions like sweets. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Please do not post others email addresses/IP addresses here, I have removed those details from your post. Also, please be more careful what you post/repost in the future, some elements of that post appeared to have been designed to bypass the swear filter on the site they were originally posted at - this forum has a 'Family' audience and the Terms of use require Members to keep that in mind when posting.
On a slightly seperate note, it's usually considered extremely 'bad phorm' to drag problems experienced on one site/forum into another. If you have an issue with the way you've been treated on another site, then the correct (and probably most efficient) way to resolve those problems would be to take them up directly with the individuals concerned, or with the site's owners. Thanks :) |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
you find it wont be any of us lot
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Hi Guys
I was hoping not to post this... but I must now. It is commonplace now for members to post the badphorm URL when commenting to blogs and articles. This is now posing an issue - namely that some comments are becoming abusive, and using the URL for badphorm can incorrectly reflect this as a view of badphorm. This is not good practice. If you wish to mouth off at an individual, please refrain from using the badphorm URL. However, this is not to ban any individual from using. No good will come of badphorms good reputation being tarnished - in fact this will have the reverse effect and undo alot of the really good work you have all been doing in the past months. This has been posted of badphorm and other Forums as required. Thanks Sammy |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
OK, seriously folks. Let's keep our eye on the ball. I think we should concentrate all our efforts within the next few days on publicising the protest event at the Barbican.
I have been doing the rounds on the net. Any help is appreciated. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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The company which is getting into behavioural targeted (B.T.) advertising is BT Retail. This is part of the BT Retail Division which also includes BT Business. The AGM is being conducted by a business called BT plc for its shareholders. OK, just words, you may say. However, the differences in the words is like addressing 2 people from different sides of the world. Unless I have missed something, the management of BT plc is not the same as the management of BT Retail. BT plc will, as the major shareholder, have appointed the board/management for BT Retail and be relying on reports from that management board to have any grasp of how the business is doing. Most of this will be in the format of financial reports. Something like 'advertising revenue' is probably so small as to be lost under Sundry Revenue. The average shareholder will have even less chance of knowing anything about what BT Retail is proposing. Because it has to be assumed that everyone attending the AGM, other than a small handful, have no idea about any of this, they should be treated the same as any other innocent member of the public who is hearing about BT Retail's proposed usage of DPI Systems for B.T. advertising (rather than the usual usage of DPI for service management) for the first time. In other words, the protesters need to come across as a group of people who are looking for the help of the shareholders and main Board of BT plc to right an earlier wrong and to make them aware of and to prevent the further spread of corruption within their midst. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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I guess many shareholders will not know what is going on, and need to be treated with firm gentility. Directors on the other hand will be well aware by now. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Could someone who has a login please post the information about the Barbican Protest on the BT Webwise discussion thread on the BT Forums?
You can just copy and paste the below (from nodpi) verbatim: ----------------- July 16th - Anti-Phorm Protest at the BT AGM, Barbican Centre, London Events July 16th - Protest at the BT AGM, Barbican Centre, London On July 16th 2008 there will be a protest rally at The Barbican Centre (The Barbican Theatre) in London. The purpose of the event is to protest against plans by BT Group PLC, Virgin Media and Car Phone Warehouse to deploy intrusive technology across their broadband networks for the purpose of profiling the behaviour of their customers which is then sold to Phorm Inc. (formerly 121Media) and used for their Open Internet Exchange (OIX) service. You can read updates regarding the event on the following web page: https://nodpi.org/category/events/ How it works? Phorm Inc have signed exclusive contracts with Virgin Media, BT Group PLC and Car Phone Warehouse (TalkTalk) to install Layer 7 network switches within the core broadband networks in the UK. Without getting too technical the system (branded as WebWise) intercepts every single web based communication you initiate in your browser unless they are encrypted - which most are not. It then inserts software cookies on to your computer for the purpose of gathering behavioural statistics based on the web pages you view; it also makes a copy of every web page you view as it is being sent to your PC and builds a list of key words based on the contents of the web page. This type of behavioural profiling is very rich data and can be used to determine many things about your life and who you are such as: 1. Topics you are interested in 2. Your Political Opinions 3. Your Health 4. Your Financial Status 5. Your Sexual Preferences 6. Where you live 7. When you are or are not at home 8. Your Investments 9. Who you communicate with 10. What you type on web forums or social network sites This type of information is very useful for advertising companies as it allows them to target you with commercial advertising when you visit web pages. However this type of information is also protected by many laws within the UK and EU because it is classed as personal information which most people believe should be private. For example, do you really want advertising companies to know what investments you have or the contents of your emails? You can read more about the issues surrounding this technology by reading the other pages on this web site and following some of the links in the right hand margin. Event Details Date : 16th July 2008 Time : 10:00am - 5:00pm Place: Barbican Centre, Silk Street, London. EC2Y 8DS Directions Directions to the Barbican https://nodpi.org/events/ We will be gathering outside the main entrance for the majority of the day. The best route to the main entrance is from the barbican tube, but go right to the end of Beech street and turn right as per the map. Purpose The purpose of the protest is twofold: 1. To raise public awareness on the issues surrounding behavioural advertising and threats it places on privacy. 2. To present the City of London Police with a case file based on covert trials carried out by BT and Phorm (then 121Media) in 2006/2007. The Covert Trials In 2006 and 2007 Bt and Phorm (then 121Media) carried out two covert trials of this technology (called PageSense in 2006, ProxySense in 2007 and WebWise in the present) which means they did not seek the consent of their customers. These trials constituted criminal and civil offenses under various laws. You can read more information about this on the following web page: https://nodpi.org/2008/06/04/bt-cove...he-facts-about... And for the legally minded, you can read my legal analysis of the covert trials here (PDF): https://nodpi.org/documents/phorm_paper.pdf |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Done :) Also posting it on ISpreview to remind people there.
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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but I had to fix the link about the covert trials as it was abbreviated and broken. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
As promised, I've written a script which generates DPA Section 11 ('No Marketing') Notices for BT/Virgin Media/TalkTalk.
A Data Protection Act Section 11 Notice instructs your ISP not to use your communication data for personal marketing. Simply select your ISP, enter your account number, name, address, click submit... and bingo, a DPA section 11 notice to print and post. The text is derived from the ICO suggested wording for DPA section 11 notices. http://www.dephormation.org.uk/dpa_notices/ All you need is an envelope and a stamp. On a related note, don't forget you can also generate a letter to your MP using this script; http://www.dephormation.org.uk/letters/ |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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You can certainly TRY and get questions asked - even unsuccessful attempts can be newsworthy - the press will pick up on any controversy inside the meeting even if it seems to get nowhere, and will make the link with the protest outside. It's a question of trying to think - what will make the press interested but not damage your reputation or allow BT to portray the anti-Phorm campaign as loony? Let's face it - the BT directors aren't going to be interested except in not wanting bad publicity. So its the publicity that counts. Even a failed question followed by a minor disturbance from the floor will attract attention. If someone is bounced out, for disturbing the meeting it might be best if others kept quiet and then made their own attempt at a question a bit later - then they could be bounced out separately - twice as much interest. Inside the meeting I would imagine T shirts should be kept covered up until you are IN or perhaps on the way out again - otherwise you could find yourself corralled or hustled out immediately. think in terms of the Labour party conference where that old concentration camp veteran got hustled out by the bouncers for asking an awkward question. It is likely to happen but you can turn it to your advantage. Try very hard to make sure that YOU are not unreasonable or violent or disreputable. Let the BT people come across as unreasonable. Even a series of refusals for questions from the chair will sound unreasonable and embarrassing if timed carefully and spaced through the meeting. Expect chairman to use tactics - he has control of the agenda and timing so expect to be controlled, gagged, and ambushed by procedural devices. Don't use all your assets at once. Best of luck you guys. work commitments prevent me from getting to London on the day but I will be there in spirit. ---------- Post added at 23:38 ---------- Previous post was at 23:36 ---------- Quote:
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Anyone else find it a bit odd that so many of the recent pages of this post are referring to a protest about BT, and yet this thread started about Virgin Media :confused:
And yes, I know that BT are the only ones who've actually implemented the technology, I know that if they do get away with it, others like Virgin Media could follow suit. I'm just getting the impression that this thread has somewhat derailed from it's original purpose. Indeed I suspect the vast majority of potential readers, who are not that in depth knowledgeable about IT (bear in mind this site has always been intended as a help site), will now steer a wide berth and miss the point completely as to why Phorm and Virgin Media would be bad news. |
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