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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35947000)

The only country that has used neclear weapons want no country to have them
including themselves.

Are you sure about that?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/14/w...nah-river.html

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As U.S. Demands Nuclear Disarmament, It Moves to Expand Its Own Arsenal
.... But for the American arsenal, the initiatives are all going in the opposite direction, with a series of little-noticed announcements to spend billions of dollars building the factories needed to rejuvenate and expand America’s nuclear capacity.

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35947003)

And Russia?

That video of Trump and the prostitutes is Russia's main defence !

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35947008)

That video of Trump and the prostitutes is Russia's main defence !

That's just salacious rumour, with no supporting evidence.

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35946980)

The U.S is a recognised Nuclear capability country, just as we are and France. We are not 'rogue' Countries like North Korea is.

Rogue Countries should not be allowed to possess or manufacture Nuclear weapons.

Iran is also a Rogue country. The terrible deal that's now seen the U.S walk away, was allowing Iran to thrive, while all the time they are planning on still fulfilling their ambition, to become a Nuclear State, we cannot allow Middle Eastern countries trying to outwit each other and build nuclear weapons, that could fall foul in to the wrong hands, ISIS to name a few entities that wouldn't hesitate using them to cause mass deaths in the West.

Not a rogue nation. Who invaded Iraq on lies and inuendos?

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by noel43 (Post 35947048)

Not a rogue nation. Who invaded Iraq on lies and inuendos?

Irrelevant. You know what I meant. :rolleyes:

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecur...n-interference

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Leaders of the Senate Intelligence Committee said Wednesday that they agree with the intelligence community’s assessment that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election and sought to help President Trump win the White House.

“We see no reason to dispute the conclusions,” Chairman Richard Burr (R-N.C.) said in a statement.

“There is no doubt that Russia undertook an unprecedented effort to interfere with our 2016 elections.”...

..."After a thorough review, our staff concluded that the [intelligence community assessment] conclusions were accurate and on point,” Warner said. “The Russian effort was extensive, sophisticated, and ordered by President Putin himself for the purpose of helping Donald Trump and hurting Hillary Clinton.”

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

You’re late posting this Hugh. Either way.... Thought it has been established Russia interfered in U.S Election...This is Old news.

---------- Post added at 06:52 ---------- Previous post was at 06:38 ----------

BREAKING: Special Counsel Robert Mueller has informed Trump legal team he won’t indict the president-this following the precedent that a sitting president cannot be indicted. Source: AP.

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35947085)

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sought to help President Trump win the White House.

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“The Russian effort was extensive, sophisticated, and ordered by President Putin himself for the purpose of helping Donald Trump and hurting Hillary Clinton.”

That’s the bit a lot of people have been denying...

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35947097)

That’s the bit a lot of people have been denying...

No, rubbish, they are still denying that President Trump colluded with Russians to help him win. No evidence to date (except evidence showing the pathetic Democrats and Hillary paying for the dossier that was compiled by Steele and information said to be obtained from Russians, that's the real collusion which you keep conveniently ignoring!!!) :rolleyes:

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

The dossier wouldn't be collusion either as the problem would be the campaign knowingly conspiring with a foreign government to win an election. The problem isn't have people talk to people who are Russian for dirt. It's the knowing involvement of a foreign government that makes the critical difference.

As an example the campaign paying Christopher Steel for the dossier isn't colluding with Britain but if the Clinton campaign had gotten this information from MI6 itself then it would be.

As I have said before I don't think it makes sense for the Russians to conspire with Trump because why take the risk? They both temporary had the same goals, to defeat Clinton, so why the need to collude? The main risk to Trump are his campaign seems to have been disorganised with many staffers going off on their own little adventures. Walter Mitty characters trying to inflate their own importance to Trump. So it's possible one or more of them did something stupid. The other risk is Trump's paranoia about the investigation, the implication he needed help, causes him to do something stupid that then places him in legal trouble. It was the cover-up that got Nixon and it was the lie that almost got Clinton. The original incidents were not the cause of the downfall for either of them.

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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US President Donald Trump has officially disclosed his reimbursement to his lawyer, who paid a porn star to hush up her claims of an affair.

The Office of Government Ethics found on Wednesday that Mr Trump ought to have revealed the payment in his previous financial disclosure.

The filing shows he paid Michael Cohen between $100,001 (£75,000) and $250,000 for expenses incurred in 2016.

Mr Trump previously denied knowing of the $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44143960

Oooh, now he remembers ! The Donald is so forgetful, maybe he should tie a knot in his hanky or something :D

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35947100)

Well, the President’s lawyer says it’s OK to do that...;)

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...ng-for-dirt-on

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President Trump's attorney Rudy Giuliani said on Wednesday that there is nothing illegal about digging up dirt on political opponents, no matter where the information comes from.

"When I ran against them [Democrats] they were looking for dirt on me every day. That's what you do, maybe you shouldn't, but you do. Nothing illegal about that," Giuliani told Fox News's Laura Ingraham on Wednesday night.

"Even if it comes from a Russian, a German, an American, doesn't matter," he continued.

So, no collusion by the Democrats, according to the President’s lawyer...

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35947118)

Well, the President’s lawyer says it’s OK to do that...;)

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...ng-for-dirt-on

So, no collusion by the Democrats, according to the President’s lawyer...

He was right when he said "may be you shouldn't", I would say paying a foreign country that is technically an adversary, for information or dirt on Trump is plainly illegal on any front but it's not just this that has occurred, we have FISA abuses under the Obama DOJ and the potential to illegally spy on Trump campaign.

Every day, the dots keep appearing and it's not hard to join them all up... unless those with Trump derangement syndrome have another agenda.

These are the key facts:

The discovery of all those text messages between Strzok and Page, raise serious concerns. The DOJ produced a first tranche of text messages on December 12, 2017, and a second tranche on January 19, 2018. These text messages raise several questions about the FBI's conduct under the Obama Administration and its investigation of classified information on Hillary Clinton’s private email server when she was Secretary of State.

Strzok and Page discussed serving to “protect the country from the menace” of Trump enablers or deplorable's as Clinton labeled them as, and the possibility of an “insurance policy” against the “risk” of a Trump presidency.

The two discussed then U.S Attorney General Loretta Lynch, knowing that Hillary Clinton would not face charges before the FBI had even interviewed Hillary and before her announcement that she would accept Director Comey’s prosecution decision. Let's also not forget Lynch herself, meeting with President Bill Clinton just days earlier on the back of a plane, while it sat on the tarmac in Phoenix, supposedly having a 40 minute chat about "The grandkids".

They wrote about drafting talking points for then Director James Comey because President Obama wants to know everything they were doing. This was a President who said on TV he does not talk to the FBI on pending cases, ever, period, those were his words and yet there is chatter about him wanting to know what they were doing.

The FBI did not use a grand jury to compel testimony and obtain the vast majority of evidence, choosing instead to offer immunity deals to key Clinton people and allow fact witnesses to join key interviews. This softly softly treatment against Hillary Clinton vs. the investigation of Russian Collusion and Trump, is at serious odds, the rule of law and balance of it, has to be equal no matter who the person is.

Strzok and Page also exchanged views about the investigation on possible Russian collusion with the Trump campaign, calling it “unfinished business” and and it being an investigation leading to impeachment, drawing parallels to Watergate.

The text messages raise several important questions that deserve serious public scrutiny

• Whether the extent to which, any personal animus and/or political bias influenced the FBI’s investigation in to Hillary Clinton's FBI Criminal Investigation;

• Whether, and the extent to which, the Obama Department of Justice or White House influenced the FBI’s investigation or had inappropriately and or even illegally intervened (Obstruction of Justice);

• Whether the extent to which, any personal animus and/or political bias influenced the FBI’s actions with respect to President Trump.

Strzok and Page exchanged texts about edits to Director Comey’s statement on Hillary Clinton. Strzok texted, “K. Rybicki just sent another version.” Page responded, “Bill just popped his head in, hopefully to talk to him.” (“Bill” refers to Bill Priestap, Strzok’s boss). Strzok replied, “Hope so. Just left Bill. . . . He changed President to ‘another senior government official.’”

In Comey’s final statement, even the reference to “another senior government official” might have been viewed as too incriminating, and it was removed altogether.

On May 19, 2017, two days after Robert Mueller III was appointed Special Counsel, Strzok and Page discussed the staffing of the Special Counsel investigation. Strzok wrote, “For me, and this case, I personally have a sense of unfinished business. I unleashed it with MYE. Now I need to fix it and finish it.” MYE is a reference to "Mid year exam" FBI code name for Criminal investigation of Hillary Clinton.

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35947159)

He was right when he said "may be you shouldn't", I would say paying a foreign country that is technically an adversary, for information or dirt on Trump is plainly illegal on any front but it's not just this that has occurred, we have FISA abuses under the Obama DOJ and the potential to illegally spy on Trump campaign.

Every day, the dots keep appearing and it's not hard to join them all up... unless those with Trump derangement syndrome have another agenda.

These are the key facts:

The discovery of all those text messages between Strzok and Page, raise serious concerns. The DOJ produced a first tranche of text messages on December 12, 2017, and a second tranche on January 19, 2018. These text messages raise several questions about the FBI's conduct under the Obama Administration and its investigation of classified information on Hillary Clinton’s private email server when she was Secretary of State.

Strzok and Page discussed serving to “protect the country from the menace” of Trump enablers or deplorable's as Clinton labeled them as, and the possibility of an “insurance policy” against the “risk” of a Trump presidency.

The two discussed then U.S Attorney General Loretta Lynch, knowing that Hillary Clinton would not face charges before the FBI had even interviewed Hillary and before her announcement that she would accept Director Comey’s prosecution decision. Let's also not forget Lynch herself, meeting with President Bill Clinton just days earlier on the back of a plane, while it sat on the tarmac in Phoenix, supposedly having a 40 minute chat about "The grandkids".

They wrote about drafting talking points for then Director James Comey because President Obama wants to know everything they were doing. This was a President who said on TV he does not talk to the FBI on pending cases, ever, period, those were his words and yet there is chatter about him wanting to know what they were doing.

The FBI did not use a grand jury to compel testimony and obtain the vast majority of evidence, choosing instead to offer immunity deals to key Clinton people and allow fact witnesses to join key interviews. This softly softly treatment against Hillary Clinton vs. the investigation of Russian Collusion and Trump, is at serious odds, the rule of law and balance of it, has to be equal no matter who the person is.

Strzok and Page also exchanged views about the investigation on possible Russian collusion with the Trump campaign, calling it “unfinished business” and and it being an investigation leading to impeachment, drawing parallels to Watergate.

The text messages raise several important questions that deserve serious public scrutiny

• Whether the extent to which, any personal animus and/or political bias influenced the FBI’s investigation in to Hillary Clinton's FBI Criminal Investigation;

• Whether, and the extent to which, the Obama Department of Justice or White House influenced the FBI’s investigation or had inappropriately and or even illegally intervened (Obstruction of Justice);

• Whether the extent to which, any personal animus and/or political bias influenced the FBI’s actions with respect to President Trump.

Strzok and Page exchanged texts about edits to Director Comey’s statement on Hillary Clinton. Strzok texted, “K. Rybicki just sent another version.” Page responded, “Bill just popped his head in, hopefully to talk to him.” (“Bill” refers to Bill Priestap, Strzok’s boss). Strzok replied, “Hope so. Just left Bill. . . . He changed President to ‘another senior government official.’”

In Comey’s final statement, even the reference to “another senior government official” might have been viewed as too incriminating, and it was removed altogether.

On May 19, 2017, two days after Robert Mueller III was appointed Special Counsel, Strzok and Page discussed the staffing of the Special Counsel investigation. Strzok wrote, “For me, and this case, I personally have a sense of unfinished business. I unleashed it with MYE. Now I need to fix it and finish it.” MYE is a reference to "Mid year exam" FBI code name for Criminal investigation of Hillary Clinton.

The President's lawyer disagrees with you.

Do you also think it's wrong for a candidate to ask a foreign country that is technically an adversary, for information or dirt on Clinton? Is that plainly illegal on any front?

You know, like when Donald Trump asked Vladimir Putin's ace hackers to "find the 30,000 emails that are missing" from Hillary Clinton's mail server?

Or when Donald Trump Jr, Kushner, and Manafort met with Russians to get dirt on Clinton*?

Or when Papadopolous, a member of the Trump Campaign team, met with a Maltese professor and a Russian woman who had "dirt" on Clinton?

Were those actions plainly illegal?

*Trump Jr's testimony states

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"In his email to me, Rob suggested that someone had official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary Clinton and her dealings with Russia and that the information would be very useful to the campaign."